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Lukuluku69:
Lol

So, you worship Mathew, Mark, Luke and John now?

Allah says don't those whom they invoke.... less they insult Allah in enmity...

Do you invoke Mathew ni? Or Mark?

Someone that hasn't grasp what his Bible teaches, quoting from another Book. Comedy central 🤣

What that verse teaches is that Muslims should abuse Jehovah, Jesus, Obatala, Ogun, Osun Osogbo and if you want to add Mathew, Luke, Mark and John to them, please let us know now o

The way u reason ehn....na beginning of old age we go call am or what

I thought Quran is the verbatim word of your Allah. So if I'm mocking the Quran, am I not mocking your Allah?

Abi is not the Quran which is the word of Allah that said your P. split the moon and plastered it back.

Am I not indirectly saying your god has no idea why he's talking about.

If u don't want people to mock the words of your god, common sense will tell u not to mock the words of their deity.

So if u are mocking what was inspired and written down by Mathew, u are simply saying he never heard from God.
And me too I'm mocking what your P. wrote in the Quran because I know he simply made it up. It's all a lie- no moon was split. It was a fabricated story.

This is simple common sense. I don't know why this is too hard for u to grasp.

Seun pls articles generated via AI or chatgpt shouldn't be allowed to make front-page.

Don't encourage intellectual laziness amongst our youth.

Lukuluku69:
You are a waste of time really.

So, why not ask your scientists what they saw during their manned missions?

If it is that important to you in your quest to put a lie to the Islamic claim of splitting the moon, why not fund another mission and go find out?

Prove it wrong.....

It is on you...

See response....

Once u are called out, it becomes verify yourself. How about u stand searching all ancient documents to see if any recorded dead people actually resurrected in 33AD.

Instead of mocking what u don't know, start working on a time machine that will take u back to 33 AD on the day Jesus resurrected n find out if other dead people resurrected with him.

That's exactly how ur sily response sound. It's like u forgot those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

U came here mocking what's in the bible yet more embarrassing details lie in your own book.

Theist arguing like an atheist. Imagine a theist thinking he could mock other people's faith n get away with it.

Funny enough your Quran admonish u not to behave in such ignorant manner

Surah 6.108
And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity.

Lukuluku69:
You want Scientists to validate the Moon splitting miracle?

Unfortunately, Mankind have only visited the moon once with a manned mission in April, 1969 and never had the time for a detailed study of the Geological activities of the moon.

You can fund another visit if you are so interested 😊 😄 ☺️.

So, do you now know where the Zonebs of Judea went to after they left their Sepulchres that night?

Go and read about the Nazareth inscription, it points towards this resurrection story in Mathew.

Nazareth instruction is a 1st century marble tablet with an edict by Caesar inscribed on it.

The ancient monuments has been dated to early 1st century around 40 AD.

It warned people around judea and galilee to stop disturbing graves or moving dead people already buried/entombed.

Now Jews don't go about touching dead people anyhow for religious reasons. So why would the Caesar be warning Jews not to disturb dead people when it's a known fact that Jews generally regard touching corpse as unclean.

What would make Caesar issue such warning? Maybe he heard a rumour that people saw their dead coming back to life from the grave in Judea and galilee region; and he concluded Jews are playing mind games again.

Lukuluku69:
You want Scientists to validate the Moon splitting miracle?

Unfortunately, Mankind have only visited the moon once with a manned mission in April, 1969 and never had the time for a detailed study of the Geological activities of the moon.

You can fund another visit if you are so interested 😊 😄 ☺️.

So, do you now know where the Zonebs of Judea went to after they left their Sepulchres that night?

Guy there is already 6 manned/crewed mission to moon and 21 uncrewed missions. There's nothing about the moon we don't know. It's surface and topography is well detailed and clearly understood.

There are satellites orbiting the moon itself as we speak giving us high level precision mapping of the moon. Even the dark side of the moon is well mapped.

Yet, we can't find where the remnants of the halved moon anywhere.

I will rather believe dead people came back to life than believe someone split the moon and plastered it back.

As it was in the days of Jesus resurrection, so it is now. In modern times, Relatives are still claiming their loved came back to life from the dead. Why then should I doubt it happened in the past.

Someone said he cut the moon to half and plastered it back, but there is no historical record of such anywhere. Nobody ever mentioned a day when the moon split in half. None, not the Greeks, or Byzantine or the Chinese or the Indians. No one mentioned it.

Come on man, the only reason u believed this is because u are a Muslim. If u were not born a Muslim, I'm sure u will call it nonsense.

Lukuluku69:
Are you okay? As in OK?

Wetin concern me with deleting your post?

Do I own Nairaland or am I moderator on here ni?

😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

Is that even possible for a fellow user to delete another user post?

Give your head a wobble.....

Answer my question and stop deflecting ....

U have been running around this thread like a headless chicken mocking bible miracles.

Now it's time to talk about yours in the Almighty Quran the supposed word of God, wahala come get Belle....

WHEN WILL SCIENTIST CONFIRM THE MIRACLE OF YOUR BELOVED P. WHEN HE SPLIT THE MOON AND PLASTERED IT BACK.

WHEN WILL SCIENTIST TELL US IT'S TRUE.

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Lukuluku69:
Shut it.

The correct word is "pounce" in that context.

Olodo.

Are u mod or what?

I didn't insult your prophet so why are u deleting my post

I asked a simple question, when will scientist confirm what your beloved P. did when he split the moon and plastered it back.

Answer and stop deleting my post.

Atlantis585:
See this man oooo!
So he is still digging himself deeper.
That means his preek dey hungry for Natasha toto too?
There is really no difference between him and Akpabiole.

nothing will happen. u think all your social media noise gets to politicians? they dont care.
u will think its Simi wey no get level u guys are dealing with.

Politicians are brutal, if u use social media harrass them too much, they will hunt u down and jail u. just one week in kirikiri will reset your brain.
upon all the noise Natasha made, she was punished and nothing happened.

kaludestiny10:
Natasha don suffer for these evil politicians hand. Dave Umahi no think before making that statement. It means he is lusting after senator Natasha. May God safe our good women from the evils hands of evil politicians.

No, he's saying Natasha who is known to accuse men of rape will get a response from him if she accuse him maybe because she's beautiful. Not just anyhow women.

Lukuluku69:
Shut it the right word is "pounce" you dumdum 😆

It's ok, English isn't your mother tongue. U can learn new vocabulary everyday.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Dumdum, "bounce" on your English first.

So, let me ask you dumdum, since "Scientists" now know that an earthquake occurred when your man God was murdered, when are we going to know the whereabouts of those walking Zonebs that walked the streets of Jerusalem?

Are they still wandering or they returned to their Sepulchres?

I am asking for my mosque people...

😆 🤣 😂

Ogbeni u sure say u complete school.

Besides tell us when scientist will confirm any miraculous claim of your prophet.

When will scientist confirm he actually split the moon and plastered it back.

jedisco:
Doc, are you annoyed?

Asked your dad that question.

jedisco:
Again you demonstrate an inability to have a decent conversation without resorting to insults. Says much about you.

Don't quote me, I don't want to have any conversation with u...decent or not.

Do u have comprehension challenge or what. Don't quote me !!!!!

jedisco:
Quite pathetic!

If you're not moaning about Indians, you're complaining about Canada. Pray tell, why haven't you moved to the U.S to go enjoy a forward-moving society? I've been around the world and can tell you most of Canada's problems are being experienced elsewhere.

Trudeau left government almost ago and lots has changed since then. You need to start looking forward.

For someone who claims to be an OG, the lacuna in your contribution here is striking. All you see are Indians or decline. Folks have asked about market investing, businesses, properties, jobs e.t.c. its all crickets from you and your likes. You only come around when its time to spread hate. The Indian next door is not the reason you're struggling in a basement.

It's like u looking for my trouble. u dont want peace and if that's u want- I will give enough dose of trouble to choke u.

I already block u but I want to warn u- don't ever quote me here again if u desire peace. I dont want to talk to u and I'm not interested in whatever u are saying.
I repeat dont mention me here again, otherwise, MA RAN E SILE. If u lack proper home training, there's nothing wrong learning at your old age.

doffman:
The certified pagan now knocked out ahaa: so you don’t know anything ahaaa.

I will not allow you to escape with any excuse . You must answer my question and you must be exposed .

You asked me this :

If Allah has a son, will u Doffman worship him.

My ans: Allah never has son and he did not ask us to worship any son ; he only asked us to worship him alone and we should never associate partner with him . So therefore , I will never and ever worship any son apart from God .


This are my evidences :


1. Quran 25:2

Allah is˺ the One to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, Who has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor does He have a partner in ˹governing˺ the kingdom. He has created everything, ordaining it precisely.


2. Quran 112

Say, 'He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent

3. Quran 19: 88-93

And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son."

You have done an atrocious thing.

The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation


That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.

And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.

There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.

4 . Surah At-Tawbah (9:31): "They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him".

Infact Jesus himself has answer for you :

Surah Maryam (19:33-35): Jesus says, "Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I will be raised back to life!” ... “Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him [alone]. This is the Straight Path.” ... “It is not for Allah to take a son! Glory be to Him. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is!”.


Now , this is final nail on you :

Surah Az-Zumar (39:3): "Indeed, sincere devotion is due ˹only˺ to Allah. As for those who take other lords besides Him, ˹saying,˺ “We worship them only so they may bring us closer to Allah,” surely Allah will judge between all regarding what they differed about.".

As you can see, ALLAH DID NOT HAVE SON OR PATNER AMD HE DID NOT ASK US TO WORSHIP ANY SON OR IDOL . Lobatan .



Evidence from bible :


1. Matthew 4:10 (NIV): "Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"


2. Luke 4:8 (NIV): "Jesus answered, 'It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.'"


3. Deuteronomy 6:13 (NIV): "Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name."


4. Exodus 20:3 (NIV): "You shall have no other gods before me."

Even your own bible finished you off lobatan 😀


Have answer your question.


Now , My question :


Where does God ask you or commanded you to worship Jesus instead of him

remember , Jesus as already told you that Only God is worth of worship ! And you already told me you worship Jesus .

Oya , proof Jesus or God wrong 🤣. Give me evidence from Quran and your bible .


N.b : learn from me and give proof and outline your points if you fit .

🗡️🥷🪑 ☕️ waiting for your answer .

Thank you in advance .

WOW HALLELUYAH SOMEBODY!!! GOD IS GREAT AND CHRIST IS KING.

Doffman, in case u don't know, I have been asking this question for years and Muslims are always afraid to answer the question.

If ALLAH HAS A SON, SHOULD THE SON BE WORSHIPPED.

THEY NEVER ANSWER IT. MUSLIMS WILL SAY ANYTHING BUT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. A QUESTION THAT QURAN GAVE A CLEAR ANSWER.

RATHER THAN ASNWER THE QUESTION, muslims will start giving answers to question I never asked them. They will self generate new questions not asked and start perambulating around the REAL QUESTION which is IF ALLAH HAS A SON, SHOULD THAT SON BE WORSIPPED.

IT SHOWS MUSLIMS ARE EMBARRASED BY THEIR OWN QURAN.

DOFFMAN, THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IS IN YOUR QURAN YET U REFUSE TO ANSWER IT. THIS SHOWS U ARE EMBARRASED BY WHAT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR OWN QURAN. U ARE ASHAMED OF THE TRUTH IN YOUR OWN QURAN.

DOFFMAN IF ALLAH HAS A SON, WILL U DOFFMAN WORSHIP THE SON OF ALLAH?

I'm not asking u whether Allah has a son or not BUT if Allah has a son, should the son of Allah be worshipped.
its not a hypothetical question, the answer is in your Quran.

answer the question, even if the answer is embarrassing, answer it. it's a big shame for a Muslim to be ashamed of his Quran.
Even if u don't like the answer, be bold and answer it.

antiislam may mock u for saying the truth BUT ALLAH will be proud of u for saying and declaring the truth for all to see.

Now don't let me down, I have motivated you enough to answer the question ASKED this time.

If Allah has a son, will u doffman worship the son of Allah?

answer the question. don't think of Antiislam when answering, just think of the truth that must be revealed and answer.

doffman:
Certified pagan has now reduced to debris . Just see how you are displaying t your half knowledge . I just tutored you now and you now reject Quran verses ahaaaa.


Oya from your bible :

Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.


1 Kings 8:29-30
New International Version
29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 30 Hear the supplication of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive.


These people facing sacred Jerusalem for prayers ; is it bad act of worship ?


Yes or no ?


These are your bible verses o or you don’t also believe in bible 😀😀😀.


I repeat , Muslim does not bow to stone or worship any idol ; I have given you evidence .

If you disagree , then the notion is on you to give us proof where God say Muslim should bow to stone and worship it ; very simple

If you don’t have such proof , no hassle , you can join the league of your fellow pagan who photoshopped 🕋 with lies nah . No problem at all .

hahaha. DOFFMAN IS RUNNING TO DANIEL FOR RESCUE, PROPHET DANIEL THAT HE PREVIOUSLY CALLED A FALSE PROPHET.


God works in miraculous ways, who would believe this hypocrite who condemned Daniel and call him false and unworthy would run back to him for answers.


DO U NOW BELIEVE THAT PROPHET DANIEL THAT PRAYED FACING JERUSALEM REVEALED THAT THE SON OF GOD WILL BE WORSHIPPED.

Now doffman wants me to believe praying facing something is the same as praying bowing to something.

If I pray facing u, am I worshipping u? clown

PAGANS WILL DO ANYTHING TO JUSTIFY THEIR PAGAN PRACTICE. INSTEAD OF THEM TO REPENT, THEY WILL GO TO EXTREME LENGTH TO DEFEND THEIR PAGAN WORSIP.

I ONLY ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION, HE'S RUNNING TO DANIEL. DANIEL HE PREVIOUSLY CALLED FAKE. SHAME ON U DOFFMAN

SO U COULD GO BACK TO YOUR VOMIT AFTER CASTIGATING THE BOOK OF DANIEL EARLIER.

MR MAN ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Show me where any prophet of God bowed before a stone, show me where God commanded any prophet to bow before a stone. Show me where Abraham, Moses, Noah bowed before a stone.

God cannot contradict himself. He expressly declared bowing before a stone is a sin and he hates it. How can the same God now contradict himself and tell another prophet to bow before a stone.
U sef reason am, the thing no make sense at all. Bowing before a stone is a sin.

U that bow before a stone and anyone bowing before any sculpture will burn in hell.

Lev 26
“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.

Deut 16.22
and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the LORD your God hates.

doffman:
Certified pagan 😀😀😀😀😀😀

I just like the way I am giving it to you very hard .


The more I give it to you , the more you expose yourself and display your empty knowledge .


You now shifted the post and say this :

Abraham went to meet his God and worshipped him by bowing to the ground before GOD ALMIGHTY Awho appeared as a Man (Theopahy)
Abraham called one of the men ADONAI- one of the divine name of God.


After I exposed your lie that Abraham did not worship any man you now say that man appeared as a God . Chai


You guys are worst than Satan himself .


Anyway , I will cast you again .

Open your bible and go to : Numbers 23:19: "God is not a man, that He should lie; nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" (NKJV).


How can God be a man nah . Reason nah ; who do this to you guys ahaaa

So you never know God's nature is divinely and unique, unlike humans who are prone to falsehood and changing their minds.

You don’t know anything and your bible knowledge is very limited .



I have casted you again ! 🤣


Which lies again you want to say to justify your paganism bayii 🤷🏼‍♂️.


When I called you a pagan , I did not lie nah 😀

So in short what u saying is the verse is corrupt.

Well that's your business.


THEOPHANY - an appearance of God in his creation
A theophany is an appearance of God, a subset of the theme of the presence of God. A theophany is an intense manifestation of the presence of God that is accompanied by an extraordinary visible display.

Theophany is all over our scriptures.

Adam walked with God in the garden of Eden

Jacob wrestled with God.

Moses spoke to God in the burning bush.


Moses, Aaron, and 70 elders saw God on Mount sinai

Exodus 24
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

So theophany is all over the old testament.

God doesn't change into a man, he's not a man. Instead he appears as a man.

He appeared as a Man to Abraham and Sarah.

Now ladies and gentlemen let me show this clown theophany in his own Quran.

Quran 27
7. When Moses said to his family, “I have glimpsed a fire. I will bring you some news from it; or bring you a firebrand, that you may warm yourselves.”

8. Then, when he reached it, he was called: “Blessed is He who is within the fire , and He who is around it, and glorified be God, Lord of the Worlds.

9. O Moses, it is I, Allah, the Almighty, the Wise.

Doffman, what is Allah doing in the fire. How did Allah get into the fire.
Who is in the fire?
I thought Allah doesn't enter his creation. What is Allah doing the fire.
Who is the blessed One on the fire?
Answer the question.


Did Abraham see God and worshipped Him?
Yes

Genesis 18
YHWH appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my Adonai do not pass your servant by.

U bursted nothing. Abraham worshipped God as a man is still standing strong .
Remember this clown also said nothing about Joshua who worshipped the commander of the Lord's army.

Lobatan.
If u actually attended missionary school, go back and ask for a refund. They scammed u, they taught u nothing.
That's why u got confused and ended up with a scammer as a prophet.

dofman:
Just see a pathetic a certified pagan talking and lie 😀.

I repeat , God never instructed anyone to worship any person except him .

When I called you olodo , did I lie !

When I called you a pagan , did I lie ?


After it has been proven that you are a pagan , and now you shifted to want to pain Abraham and others as a pagan like you ; no be juju be that .

Now , let me expose your lies and quoted the whole verse : genesis 18 vs 1-10 :

“The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”

“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs[b] of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”

7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

9 “Where is your wife Sarah?” they asked him.

“There, in the tent,” he said.

10 Then one of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son.”

For God sake , how does this verse say Abraham worship them ?


Now , Does he bow to them to greet them as a visitor or to worship them ? Chai . This is typical example how you guys twisted truth into lies . Must you lie ?

So you did not reason and know that He bows low, offers water for their feet, shade, and a substantial meal (fine flour bread, curds, milk, and a calf) prepared by himself and Sarah, showcasing extraordinary generosity and hospitality .


Abraham is not a pagan like you guys :

Anyway , Quran has already defend Abraham against you pagans and liars . Read :

Quran 3:67: "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a Muslim, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists

And :

Quran 16:120-123: "Abraham was indeed a model, devoutly obedient to Allah, (and) true in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah...Follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah".


As you can see Abraham is not a pagan like you do . Na by force to be pagan 😀


I still challenge you , show me where God , Abraham or Jesus say people should worship someone apart from God

Your paganism is legendary and you need to repent asap .

You don cast ! 😀.

It's like your brain is beginning to disconnect from your visual senses.

Someone saw his God in visible form as a man, he quickly approached him and bowed before his God.

This clown is claiming Abraham bowed to give water.
My friend, Abraham bowed with his head on the ground when he saw God as a MAN.

Genesis 18
YHWH appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

THAT'S WORSHIP, THE HEBREW WORD FOR BOW IN THAT VERSE IS SHACHAH WHICH IS THE SAME WORD FOR WORSHIP.

Abraham went ahead and called one of the men ADONAI, another name for Almighty God.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my Lord (Adonai) do not pass your servant by

YHWH appeared to Abraham as a Man
Abraham went to meet his God and worshipped him by bowing to the ground before GOD ALMIGHTY Awho appeared as a Man (Theopahy)
Abraham called one of the men ADONAI- one of the divine name of God.

doffman:
Mr certified pagan !😂

Why are you disgracing yourself nah . Na by force to force Jesus to be pagan like you guys .

Your problem is that you lack knowledge to identify lies and truth from your bible ; no wonder Paul deceive you guys . Another fake guy guy now in Ghana building ark to deceive you guys . Ahaa

Jesus told you direct , do not worship me , what else you want nah :

Quran 19:36

Jesus also declared,˺ “Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.”

That same Matthew even told you that you are worshipping Jesus in vain :

Mathew 15:9

New International Version (NIV): "They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules."

See your life now , are you not in vain 😀


Also read :

Deuteronomy 6:13 (NIV): "Worship the LORD your God, and serve him only. In his name you shall swear oaths".

If not because you are immune to the truth , how can Matthew contradicted himself nah ; reason nah :

Matthew 4:10 (ESV): "Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve


You paganism is legendary ahaaaa

Na by force to worship Jesus .



How many time will I explain it for your nah . I have bursted you about the Hadith you wanted to manipulate . You should know that we Muslims are well grounded in our religion ; Infact we move further steps ahead to read your bible and and know everything there . Ahaaa. If we don’t read your bible how can we easily casted you guys . 🤣🤷🏼‍♂️.



Quran forbade children and women during wars . Na your religion supported it ; even , Netanyahu your master quoted bible to do his genocide in Palestine .


Oya read your bible nah :

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Just see how barbaric your religion . What a shame , tuehhh .




Pagan , which lies is this nah . I repeat , God never commanded any person to worship Jesus in the Old Testament . If you manipulated one , just know it is part of those lies planted in your bible nah . Typical example is the Daniel 7 verse you quoted which I have refuted .


Starting from the beginning of all prophets , no one was asked to worship anyone except God . Na your master Paul instructed you to worship Jesus nah .

Moses , Abraham and other preached same thing . Just argue with your shoe if you fit nah .

See Abraham :

Genesis 22:5 - NIV):
"Abraham said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you

See Moses : Exodus 8:1: God commands Moses to tell Pharaoh, "Let my people go, that they may serve me" (worship).

See your life nah , it is you that decide to worship Jesus .


Preaching ….

A pagan will always like to attract other people to his paganism .


Ba by force to be pagan ? 😀

Repent o

Pagan clown shouting contradiction in the book of Mathew. Jesus was worshipped all through the New testament up to Revelation.

People bowed down to Jesus because he's the Son of Allah.

What we should ask is where did u get the idea of bowing before a stone.

I showed u in the old testament where persons apart from the Father is worshipped.

I showed u in the old testament where Abraham, Moses and other prophets called other persons apart from the Father God.

U can shout corruption all u like that's your business.

But show me where any prophet in the old testament bow done before a stone.

Show me where Noah, Abraham or Moses bowed before a stone.

Show me any verse where God commanded any prophet to bow before a stone.

because what we have is explicit command where God clearly condemned bowing before a stone.

Lev 26
“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.

Deut 16
22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.

Failure to show this removes any doubt u are a pagan.

doffman:
Just see how you finished yourself 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀


Gbam ! It is now official, you are a certified pagan and enemy of Jesus .

Oya open your bible to :


Matthew 4:10: "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only'"

As you can see , you deserved to be banished as you refused to serve and worship God and instead, you chose to serve Jesus . Ahaaa . Chai

Luke 4:8: Jesus replied, "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only" (or "serve Him only"

Pagan , you refuse to worship God , see your life ahaaa

Deuteronomy 10:20: "Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and hold fast to him..."

You have violated what Jesus and other prophet preached ; I have been vindicated about my assumption about you .


Mr pagan , see your life now ? You are direct opposite of Jesus and this is what we have been telling you .


You are finished ✔️

Pagan burster🥷 Alhamdulillah.

Doffman has joined the list of those Muslims ashamed of their Quran.
He's become another 'Pastor Iropoju', a Muslim apologists on Facebook who knows more of the bible than the Quran

The problem with doffman is he no even sabi the bible. He no come sabi his Quran or Hadith.

Paul is his headache. The clown thought Paul wrote the Old testament.

Doffman, don't be ashamed of your Quran. Answer my question

IF ALLAH HAS A SON, WILL U DOFFMAN WORSHIP THE SON OF ALLAH.

DOES THE SON OF ALLAH DESERVE TO BE WORSHIPPED?

ANSWER THE QUESTION, SHAME SHAYTANI AND ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THE ANSWER IS IN YOUR QURAN, SHOULD THE SON OF ALLAH BE WORSHIPPED?

doffman:
Mr pagan , Jesus has already replied you nah , if you see anyone worship any other person apart from God ; he is not part of him . What are you now saying. Reason nah !

Quran 5: 117

I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things.

Luke 4:8: Jesus replied, "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only" (or "serve Him only"

These verses alone have finished you up .


Sorry ennn . When I called you pagan , did I lie ? No nah !


Repent today .

Accept to worship only one God and follow the part of all prophets .


Are you ready !

CLOWN I THOUGHT U SAID NO ONE WAS WORSHIPPED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT APART FROM THE FATHER.

WILL U NOW SWALLOW YOUR VOMIT AND HUMBLY ASK WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON HERE OR U WANT TO CONTINUE FORMING BIBLE EXPERT.

IT'S NOW OBVIOUS U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE EXCEPT WHAT THE DAWAH SCRIPT GAVE U. OTONDO

PAGAN DOFFMAN U ARE MUCH CLOSER TO THAT MAN IN THAT PICTURE THAN U THINK.
BOTH OF U ARE IDOLATERS.

Exodus 20
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

HE'S BOWING TO IMAGE OF JESUS WHILE U BOW DOWN TO A STONE. U ARE BOTH THE SAME SEPARATED BY RELIGION

BOTH OF U WILL BE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE AS PAGANS. I ALREADY WARNED U GOD DOESN'T DO RELIGION.

U BOW DOWN TO IMAGES MADE WITH HANDS - BE IT A STONE OR SCULPTURE, U WILL BE REJECTED BY GOD.

DOFFMAN, REPENT B4 ITS TOO LATE, STOP BOWING DOWN TO A STONE.
IT'S A SIN.

Leviticus 26.1
“’Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it . I am the LORD your God.


Deuteronomy 16.22
and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.

U Muslims keep bowing down to a stone, something God hates n u think he will forgive your sins....
U must be a joker.

honesttalk21:
See the overlooked context of the Targum.

ok so what we doing now is going around in circle. I bring evidence, u either reject it or reinterpret it your own way.
so what I'm going do now is answer your questions and I WANT U TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
FORGET THE EVIDENCE because THEY MEAN NOTHING TO U.
JUST ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

honesttalk21:
You have cited Targum Neofiti on Genesis 1:3-4, yet overlooked a crucial scholarly consensus that Memra appears throughout the Targums not as a separate person, but as a linguistic device. The Targumim Aramaic paraphrases of Hebrew Scripture were crafted to make the text accessible to ordinary Jews while steering clear of crude anthropomorphisms. Where the Hebrew reads "God said" or "God descended," the Targum substitutes "the Memra of the Lord" to maintain divine transcendence. This is a deliberate exegetical strategy, not an endorsement of Trinitarian doctrine.

targum is a form of midrash- It's the translation of the hebrew bible to aramaic with exegesis of the tanakh included. Midrash is a method of interpreting biblical texts in Judaism, focusing on uncovering deeper meanings and insights from the Torah and other scriptures.

Targum wasn't written because ancient Jews were worried about anthropormorphism. Targum is a necessity because post exilic Jews could no longer speak hebrew and their native tongue had become aramaic.

honesttalk21:
Ironically, the Jewish Encyclopedia passage you referenced directly contradicts your conclusion. It states that Memra is used "in place of God Himself" when direct attribution would be inappropriate clearly identifying Memra as a substitute, not a separate being.

ok if the memra of the Lord is used for place of God himself. why was it used for the angel of the Lord.
PLS ANSWER THE QUESTION- WHY IS AN ANGEL SUBSTITUTED FOR MEMRA IN THE TARGUM IF THE MEMRA IS ONLY MEANT TO REPALCE GOD.

honesttalk21:
The text further describes Memra as a personified agency and God's messenger, underscoring its role as a literary tool for agency or representation, not as an ontologically distinct entity.

Now that u have finally admitted that the memra of the Lord is personified and is a messenger, the question is can a non living entity act as a messenger. Do we have example in the Tanakh where a non living entity acts as a messenger?

honesttalk21:
If the Targumic authors truly believed Memra was a second divine person, why did they continue to recite the Shema Yisrael ("Hear O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is One" twice daily? The contradiction is impossible to ignore.

That's because God and his word is ONE. Did u read that Bart Erhman post I sent?
shema is the reason they had to exchange agency like angel of the LORD and figure like a man in book of ezekiel for memra. They wanted to avoid any conflict of shema.

honesttalk21:
The Two Persons in One Verse Argument Falls Apart as your assertion that Genesis 1:3-4 reveals two persons does not withstand scrutiny.
The Memra of the LORD said let there be light, The Memra of the LORD separated the light is classic Targumic paraphrase, systematically replacing every divine action with Memra to avoid attributing physical traits to God. By your reasoning, the repeated mention of Memra would imply multiple divine persons an obviously flawed conclusion.

This is ridiculous to say the least. so if I mention honesttalk21 2ce in a sentence or 20 times in a paragraph, does that mean I'm saying there are multiple persons of honestalk21?
It's well known globally and in all theology that God created heaven and earth. If memra was to avoid anthropomorphsim, why then should we substitute God again in heaven. Heaven is the dwelling place of God, what's the need for anthropomorphism in heaven?
why is targum replacing God for his word again in heaven where there is no anthropomorphism?

honesttalk21:
The reality is clear Memra is a grammatical convention, not a tally of persons.

check my coming post on figure like a man in ezekiel. I will tag u

honesttalk21:
You suggest that equating the Angel of the LORD with the Father is problematic, referencing Zechariah as evidence of distinctness. However, this misreads the Jewish tradition. In some contexts, the "Angel of the LORD" is a created angel and in others, it is a theophanic manifestation of God communicating through an agent. The distinction is not about multiple divine beings, but about contextual representation.

Honesttalk are u now saying u believe in theophany? are u saying the angel of the Lord is a theophany?
That means he's not another being but a manifestation of God in another reality- which we call person.
I never knew Muslims even believe in theophany

honesttalk21:
Zechariah 1:12-13, where the Angel addresses the LORD, actually supports the Jewish and Islamic understanding that the Angel is an intermediary, not a divine person. If the Angel were God, the passage would depict God conversing with Himself which is a notion that only makes sense if one presupposes later Christian theological developments.
The real theological risk lies not in Islamic monotheism, but in retroactively imposing New Testament concepts onto Jewish texts. The historical record is unambiguous:
No Second Temple Jewish group interpreted Memra as a second divine person. The Targumists were staunchly monotheistic.
Philo, Josephus, and the Dead Sea Scrolls all affirm absolute divine unity. Medieval Jewish authorities; Rashi, Maimonides, Ibn Ezra unanimously reject any notion of plural deity.

I already brought u Rashi's thought on angel of the Lord- He linked him to metatron, a divine being in heaven. But u rejecte him, why are now mentioning him again. Someone that disagreed with u.

I brought evidence from Alan Segal, a renowned modern Jewish scholar, u rejected it. Everything u know about 2nd temple judiasm came from him. He was the one who established the 2 powers in heaven believe during 2nd temple judiasm.

In his book How Jesus became God, Bart Erhman confirmed angel of the Lord is divine according to ancient jews. I brought the quote here, u glossed over it and insisted Bart Erhman never said that.

I laugh when u write dead sea scroll. u obviously don't know anything about the contents of the books in dead sea scroll.
Go and read 1 Enoch, 2 Enoch, 4 Ezra; those books were the one that promoted the concept of a 2nd divine figure in heaven sitted on a throne during the 2nd temple period. Most scholars believe those books lay the foundation of christian theology.
I wont bother bringing them here because u will call them mystical or whatever.

honesttalk21:
The Qur'an addresses precisely this issue: "They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.' And there is no god except one God" (5:73). To claim that Jewish paraphrasing techniques secretly encode Trinitarian theology is to disregard two millennia of Jewish interpretation and consensus.

pls dont quote the quran if u are not ready to show me where it says angel Gabriel spoke to Muhammed.

honesttalk21:
The Burden of Proof Remains If Memra were genuinely regarded as a distinct divine person, we must ask:
Why is there no record of Jewish worship directed toward Memra?

memra or angel of the Lord is not another God.

honesttalk21:
Why are there no prayers or sacrifices offered to Memra?

because he's not another God.

honesttalk21:
Why did no rabbi ever suggest that the Shema conflicts with Memra theology?

The memra itself is a solution to avoid contradiction in the shema.

honesttalk21:
The answer is straightforward: your interpretation is foreign to both the text and its historical context. Far from being a threat, Islam’s emphasis on pure monotheism highlights the risks of fragmenting divine unity through speculative reinterpretation.

All your question comes down to your poor understanding of how the word God is used in the bible.

LET ME ASK U A QUESTION. DURING THE FIRST TEMPLE PERIOD AND DURING THE TIME OF MOSES
WAS GOD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE HOLY OF HOLY IN THE TABERNACLE.
IF GOD ISN'T PHYSICALLY PRESENT, THEN WHO IS VOICE SPEAKING BEHIND THE ARK OF GOD IN BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS.

Number 7.89
When Moses entered the tent of meeting to speak with the LORD, he heard the voice speaking to him from between the two cherubim above the atonement cover on the ark of the covenant law. In this way the LORD spoke to him.

pls answer all my questions. and finally answer this question u have been avoiding

WHY DID HAGAR ANNOUNCED SHE SAW GOD WHEN SHE SAW THE ANGEL OF THE LORD.
WHY DID SHE SUBSTITUTE THE WORD GOD FOR THE ANGEL OF THE LORD.
SHE SAW AN ANGEL NOT THE FATHER, THEN WHY DID SHE REJOICED AND ANNOUNCED SHE SAW GOD ALMIGHTY.

doffman:
Hello pagan , even if the bot become satan himself and
Prevent my reply to you , you must still collect it in another format . See your reply in attached .

🥷🥷🗡️

WAS IT JESUS THAT KICKED THE JEWS OUT OF THE KINGDOM OR PAUL?

Mathew 8
When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. ”

WHO EXTENDED THE HAND OF FELLOWSHIP OF THE KINGDOM TO THE GENTILES?
JESUS OR PAUL?

Matthew 21
42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’[h]?
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

I DON'T PREACH RELIGION BECAUSE ALL RELIGIONS ARE MAN MADE DESIGNED FOR CONTROL, I PREACH THE CHURCH ESTABLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.

Matthew 16
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it

IF JESUS COMES BACK AND DOESN'T FIND YOU IN HIS CHURCH YOU ARE DOOMED. continue playing religion with your destiny.

Bye, but don't say I didn't warn u.

when u are ready to know if Jesus is a mere prophet or God, answer my question and we will delve into Christology of Christ
Why is another person in the Old Testament worshipped and called God Almighty apart from God the Father.

otherwise follow my argument with your fellow Muslim here, Qasim who has shown more coherence in matters of theology than u.

Bye

@ doffman

You want to know if Jesus is a mere prophet or God ?

Then let's go back to where it all started- old testament.

You came here and said it was Paul who invented the idea that other person apart from God the Father should be worshipped. That such isn't found in the old testament.

Then tell me why the Angel of the LORD in the old testament is worshipped, bowed to and called God Almighty.
Paul didn't write any book in the old testament, so why is another person apart from God the Father worshipped.

Deal with this first, then we will talk about CHRISTOLOGY OF CHRIST.

Let me show u another person u are actually supposed to worship if u are true believer IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

Daniel 7
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

SEE AS THE WHOLE WORLD WILL EVENTUALLY BOW AND WORSHIP THE SON OF MAN MENTIONED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL.....
NOW TELL ME WHO IS THE SON OF MAN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?
Or na Paul write book of Daniel...

clown, I will use scriptural truth wound you, I go use prophecy dislocate your false belief leading u to develop cognitive dissonance.

It's obvious your bible knowledge is whack, u don't even understand the scriptures u post here. u are punching far far above your level. U don't have what it takes to be a theological polemicist.
To continue with u is a waste of time.

Just answer my question otherwise let's call it a day.