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dofman:
Guy, stop disgracing yourself nah 🤣.

I swear , it is now glaring , you don’t know anything and your thinking has been programmed to not reason well .

See your encircled statement attached .

You still can never defend your claimed .
Show us where it was instructed to Muslim to bow to stone ? Very simple nah.

If you cannot defend that , that mean it is your own shallow opinion which is normal as a Christian , the fake religion follower . Ahaa


You have two options :

1 . Defend your claim with proof from Quran or Hadith

Or

2. Surrender

🤣


Oya , choose one 🥷

I have not even started with you , cos I will enter your bible soon and expose some stuff for you . Guy, oti danran o

Then answer the question. Prove to us u are not a stone worshipper.

If the kabba is moved to Medina but the black stone remained in mecca. Which direction will u face when u bow- the black stone or the kabba

Defeat my argument by answering my question.

Believeintruth:
Bros slow down Danjuma said clearly that Fajuyi was even more guilty in their eyes than Ironsi. Because they presumed that he provided moral and logistical support to the Jan boys. He even blocked attempts at a quick trial of the Jan boys before according to Max Siollun in his book "Oil Politics and Violence that Ironsi fixed August 66 as the trial date for Jan 66 boys.

Provide the evidence. I want to see it.

Danjuma clearly mentioned he guaranteed the safety of FAJUYI.
When Danjuma went to state house to arrest Ironsi. They blocked the staircase that led upstairs and arrested anyone that came downstairs.

When FAJUYI came downstairs, he spoke with the coup plotters and they allowed him to return upstairs. WHY WOULD THEY NOT ARREST SOMEONE THEY CAME FOR BUT ALLOW HIM TO GO BACK UPSTAIRS?
This was when Danjuma guaranteed his safety. Why would Danjuma guaranteed the safety of someone he came to arrest.

The coup plotters waited for Ironsi and when he didn't show up, they went upstairs and arrested him.
FAJUYI WAS SEEN STANDING BESIDE IRONSI WHO WAS SEATED.

All this talk from people living on the other side of the Niger River is just a cowardly attempt to discredit a brave and daring action by a gallant officer.

He knew if he negotiate for his life, he will forever be haunted as to why he begged Ironsi to sleep overnight in Ibadan when the plan was for him to return to Lagos that same day. There's no way he would prove he had no hand in his death.

He choose the rational path- take action for your responsibility even if it cost u your life.

Irony1:
Point of correction Fajuyi was a Lt Col he was never a General. Note that according to TY Danjuma Fajuyi was already a marked man by the July planners because all attempts at a speedy court martial of the Jan boys was blocked by Fajuyi and also it was rumored that Fajuyi provided support to the Jan boys during a training course in Abeokuta in 1965 where all the particpators in the course ended up in that coup.

The honorable thing Fajuyi did was to ask Danjuma to ensure that Ironsi's life was to be spared.

Stop lying. Danjumi NEVER SAID FAJUYI WAS MARKED. I REPEAT DANJUMI NEVER SAID FAJUYI WAS A TARGET.

If anything, danjumi said the plan was to bring Ironsi to Lagos for questioning n not to kill him. FAJUYI was never in the picture.
He even said he even gave his assurance to FAJUYI that no harm will come upon him that night.
FYI, Ironsi was meant to be killed when he travelled to Kaduna fr his regional tour but the northern politicians told the khakhi boys that his blood should not be spilled in the north.

That's why FAJUYI kept asking them that night why they arrested him in Ibadan and not elsewhere.
According to Danjuma, Ironsi was meant to travel to Lagos that evening where Murtala was waiting for him to arrest him, FAJUYI was the one who begged him to stay overnight.
When it became obvious Ironsi would be sleeping in Ibadan that night, Murtala instructed Danjuma to arrest him and dbring him to Lagos.

FAJUYI WAS NEVER IN THE PICTURE. he did what he had to do as a soldier who couldn't secure his terrain. Die in the battle.

Ironsi son said FAJUYI kept asking the soldiers why did u arrest him here in ibadan and not elsewhere.

Expanse2020:
but you have not read it that rosulullah s.a.w. was also commanded to destroyed all the idols he met and preached oneness of Allah...
You need to do more research because obviously many people are looking you guys as you were and are soaked in ignorant

of course, he destroyed the idols he didn't like but preserved the idols and sacred stones of his family for u guys to bow to. The bible said destroy sacred stones, did he do that ? No
Muhammed's father name is Abdullah meaning slave of Allah yet he died a pagan, so which Allah was he a slave to? the pagan Allah or Allah that spoke to Moses.

Expanse2020:
so he should smash what Abraham and his son built...
Haha.

The Allah that spoke to Moses HE hates sacred stones and commanded them to be destroyed but u telling me same God told Abraham to build a sacred stone.
Na the same confusion we talking about.
How can Allah tell one prophet to build a sacred stone then told another prophet to demolish sacred stones because he HATES it.
u sef reason am, he no make sense at all.

Or is it not same Muhammed who told u to bow to black stone that also told u Abraham built it. of course hw will manufactures lies to legitimize his idolatry.
SHOW US IN THE TORAH WHERE GOD TOLD ABRAHAM TO BUILD A SACRED STONE FOR HIM AND I WILL REST.
SHOW US ANY INDEPENDENT ATTESTATION TO BACK UP THE CLAIM ABRAHAM BUILT THE KABBA


How can one God give contradictory statement. I repeat, someone is lying because God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus cant give contradictory message

Expanse2020:
According to your guy the wall is stone...
The stones are used to make wall right

And don't use your God kissing the wall in the picture I sent 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You don't see uncle Sam kissing there 🤣🤣
🤣
More so
Your editing is pure and very pure with the pictures you put here

So I understand, u bow to a stone because some Jews and Donald Trump bow to a wall.

Is that why u bow to a stone?

U bow to a stone because some Christians bow to statue of Mary? Is that what u saying ?

Is it Donald Trump that gave u your religion? Did u collect your religion from the Jews?

If Jews and Donald Trump are bowing to idols, is that not what Muhamed came to correct?

How come your prophet embrace the pagan practice he met on ground rather then abolish.

This is what God told Moses to do with sacred stones people adore or kiss or do whatever....

Deuteronomy 12
These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess—as long as you live in the land...... 3 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places.
4 You must not worship the Lord your God in their way.

Exodus 34
12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.

Above is what your prophet should have done with the black stone and kabbah- smash them into pieces and burn it to the ground.
Not tell you people to continue the pagan practice of bowing to the stone or circumnavigate it.

jahsharon:
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Even Jesus’ descendants in Israel are not Christians, not to talk of Scots who have no religion

So oyinbo people has a choice which inner voice they want to listen to....the one that brings peace or the that tells them to commit suicide.

jahsharon:
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Even Jesus’ descendants in Israel are not Christians, not to talk of Scots who have no religion

That's why majority are hooked on antidepressants and anti psychotic medications to treat their depression, anxiety , panic attack and imaginary voices telling them to commit suicide.

A lot of them spend money and time in psychologist office talking about their imaginary inner demons tormenting them.
But u mock people spending time in church where a pastor tells them the inner voice brings them peace.

Na oyinbo needs spiritual help pass.

Imagine commiting suicide because an imaginary voice is telling u it's better off not being alive.
But u here mocking people whose imaginary voice tells them it's a blessing being alive.

Some of u no dey reason at all. U just regurgitate what enters your mind without any input from your cognitive processing.

geoworldedu:
He was nailed to death in my own book and there he didn't defeat death. He died as the criminal he was in my own book. So you want me to come and believe your own book and leave mine abi. You are deluded aswear.

What book is that, what book gives an independent account of Jesus Christ without copying or editing from the gospel.
I want to know that imaginary book.

Even historian and scholars admit the gospel is the only independent narrative that gave us account of Jesus life.

geoworldedu:
He defeats death in your own book na

But u believe he was nailed to a plank in the same book.

The cognitive dissonance is real.

geoworldedu:
Jesus that couldn't save himself from 2 by 2 nails

So how was he able to defeated death.

Muslims in the house. I noticed the Quran calls the companions of Jesus Christ Muslims and believers.

Surah 3.53
And when Jesus perceived their disbelief, he said, ‘Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah?’ The disciples answered, ‘We are the helpers of Allah. We have believed in Allah. And bear thou witness that we are obedient.


Now if I can bring evidence that these same disciples believed and preached that Jesus died for our sins, resurrected and he's divine; will these prove Quran is wrong.

If there his historical evidence that the disciples of Jesus Christ preached that Jesus died for our sins, will that validate Christianity.

The foundational bedrock of Christianity lies in Jesus dying for our sins. The day we find out that Jesus didn't die for the sins of anybody, that day marks the end of christianity.

Now if there's is historical evidence that the disciples of Jesus preached that Jesus died for our sins, will that validate the claim that Christ is our saviour??

dofman:
Broadcast speaker 🔈


Hello all pagans in the house ,

As you know tomorrow is one of the important festival , therefore , I will declare 10 days holiday for this celebration. I will not be in social media for the next 10 days as I will be celebrating the holy festival.

You guys knew I used to give breaks only during festival time in Islam including Ramadan .


Eid Mubarak !
May Allah fill our heart with happiness, mercy, and countless blessings on this blessed Eid al-Kabir. May he open the hearts of those who have not yet known Him, so they may find the beauty of Islam and walk in His righteous path. Wishing you and your loved ones joy, good health, and prosperity always.


I will be back here on the June 5th Friday , 2026, In Sha Allah by 7:00pm .

You guys can be sleeping in nairaland and refreshing the pages till I resume work with you guys .

Stay blessed and stay away from troubles . 👌

doffman...is this what u mean when u say the stone mean nothing and is insignificant.

Iropoju.

Is this not idolatry

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYNNdflkyII/?igsh=MTJvZHUwemVrYmkzYg==

Expanse2020:
Where you the one who dismantle it before

Your top man of God goes to Israel to lick stone too right
Abi na Rome una de go to lick bow and stone(statue) too


Dismantle it and let see where we face

Kindly explain to me why this should not be called pagan worship.

Thanks.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVuurLKiAQU/?igsh=OTg5c2xjb3V4anI4

dofman:
Broadcast speaker 🔈


Hello all pagans in the house ,

As you know tomorrow is one of the important festival , therefore , I will declare 10 days holiday for this celebration. I will not be in social media for the next 10 days as I will be celebrating the holy festival.

You guys knew I used to give breaks only during festival time in Islam including Ramadan .


Eid Mubarak !
May Allah fill our heart with happiness, mercy, and countless blessings on this blessed Eid al-Kabir. May he open the hearts of those who have not yet known Him, so they may find the beauty of Islam and walk in His righteous path. Wishing you and your loved ones joy, good health, and prosperity always.


I will be back here on the June 5th Friday , 2026, In Sha Allah by 7:00pm .

You guys can be sleeping in nairaland and refreshing the pages till I resume work with you guys .

Stay blessed and stay away from troubles . 👌

@ expanse

Can u kindly explain to me how this is not idol worship. Pls no insult.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYzmBcQCAVP/?igsh=NGtnaWtib3k0a2Jl

Why did these people say Allah Akbar after these atrocious acts. Where is that teaching coming from.

Muslims here will say those killers are not Muslims but we don't see people shouting Christ is king when unaliving someone, it's always Muslims praising their God when commiting acts of murder.

So the question is where is the teaching coming from. If it's not the Quran, hadith or masjid; them who are those indoctrinating these people.

It's now obvious this man is not the one running this country, I don't think he even understands the question.

So who is not running the country. Who are the cabal running this country .? I'm

Expanse2020:
Where you the one who dismantle it before

Your top man of God goes to Israel to lick stone too right
Abi na Rome una de go to lick bow and stone(statue) too


Dismantle it and let see where we face

U guys are pagans. Aborisha ponbele

What u just admitted is U can't worship Allah without bowing to a stone.

U sef reason am na

How can God tell Moses 'Tell the people never to bow before a stone when worshipping me'. Then same God now told another prophet 'tell the people to bow before a house that has a stone inside when worshipping me'

The thing no make sense, it's a serious contradiction. It can't be the same God or one of the prophet is lying.

God said he hates it when people bow before a stone, u Muslims bow before a house that has a stone inside and u argue u don't bow before a stone.
That's cognitive dissonance.

If God said don't bow to a stone, run away from anything that looks like bowing to a stone. Simple. Obedience is better than sacrifice

Not all these shalaye...'ehhn, u see, I bow before a house not the stone inside the house'
But when I asked u the possibility of facing Medina if the kabba is relocated there, ur response was kabba and the stone are inseparable.
Yet u don't bow before the stone. Who are u guys deceiving

And what this mean is the God that spoke to Moses is not the same God that spoke to Muhammed.
Allah is not the God that spoke to Moses.

Allah didn't know Moses was told by his God never to bow before a stone, otherwise he wouldn't tell Muhammed to bow before a stone.
It's impossible for God to give contradictory message.

I will move to my next question.

Expanse2020:
Dismantle it first and see where will face if it change or not...
I hear said Jews to worship stone
They face stone
They kiss stone
Is it true

answer my question. I'm not jewish, look for somvinya and ask him your jewish question.

kabba has been demolished b4, so dont tell me it cannot be disassembled.

IF THE KABBA IS DISMANTLED AND RELOCATED TO MEDINA BUT THE BLACK STONE REMAIN INTACT IN MECCA.
WHERE WILL U BOW TO WHEN PRAYING, MECCA OR MEDINA?

Expanse2020 IF THE KABBA IS DISMANTLED IN MECCA AND REASSEMBLED IN MEDINA. BUT THE BLACK STONE REMAINED IN MECCA. WHICH DIRECTION WOULD U NOW FACE WHEN PRAYING.
MEDINA OR MECCA.

WHY DO U BOW TO A STONE WHEN WORSHIPPING ALLAH WHEN HE ALREADY TOLD PREVIOUS PROPHETS NEVER TO BOW TO A STONE WHEN WORSHIPPING HIM.

answer the question otherwise u guys are idolaters, nothing more to say. It is what it is.

dofman:
Help your senior nah . He don cast as usual 🤣

Answer my question stop deflecting

YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT MUSLIMS BOW TO THE KABBA AND NOT THE BLACK STONE.
OK IF THE KABBA IS DISMANTLED AND RELOCATED TO MEDINA BUT THE BLACK STONE REMAIN INTACT IN MECCA.
WHERE WILL U BOW TO WHEN PRAYING, MECCA OR MEDINA?

2. WHY DID U LIE THAT THE BLACK STONE IS POWERLESS WHEN YOUR HADITH STATES IT HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SIN. HOW CAN A POWERLESS STONE FORGIVE SIN.
WHY DO MUSLIMS TRAMPLED ON THEMSELVES JUST TO KISS THE STONE DURING PILGRIMAGE IF IT HAS NO SIGNIFICANCE

How can a normal human being with a rational mind bow to a house that has a stone inside when God said don't bow to a stone. In his own consolation, he thinks he's praying facing the house but not the stone inside the house.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Islvm is finished

Again @ doffman

Your argument is based on Allah told Muhammed to face the kabba not the black stone.

What is inside the kabba? Where is the black stone situated?

So God told Muhammed to bow to the kabba that has the black stone, a sacred stone that God told Moses nobody should bow before it.

So Allah told Muhammed to bow before a building that house a sacred stone, yet same God told Moses no one should bow to a sacred stone.

doffman thinks because the kabba covers the black stone, then when they pray bowing before the kabba, they are not bowing to what is inside the kabba.

The Muslim logic is on another ridiculous level.
In case u don't know, this is nothing but covert paganism.

GOD WILL NEVER TELL PEOPLE TO BOW BEFORE A HOUSE THAT HOLDS A SACRED STONE IF HE ALREADY COMMANDED THAT NOBODY SHOULD BOW BEFORE A STONE.
NEVER!! HE'S NOT A AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.

dofman:
SIRTeee15

Let me now teach you how to defend a point .


You are a pagan , in fact you are an original one ; confirmed 👍

How ?

Let’s go …..

I once asked you who is your God , you refused and afraid to answer me directly , I further drilled you further and you later indirectly confess you worship Jesus ( see the attached screenshot of your writeup )


Now let check your bible first before Quran :



Point 1

Matthew 4:10: "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only'"

As you can see , you deserved to be banished as you refused to serve and worship God and instead, you chose to serve Jesus instead of God , the creator of jesus , Chai

Oya read further :

Luke 4:8: Jesus replied, "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only" (or "serve Him only"wink

But you refuse to worship God , see your life ahaaa 🤣

Also read o :

Deuteronomy 10:20: "Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and hold fast to him..."


You refuse to hold to God but chose other thing under the guidance of Satan .

You have violated what Jesus and other prophets preached ; I have been vindicated about my claimed about you .

You are direct opposite of Jesus and this is what we have been telling you .


You are finished ✔️



Now let me seal you off with the best book , Quran :


Surah Al-Isra 17:23: "Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him.

"Surah Al-Anbiya 21:25: "And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, 'There is no deity except Me, so worship Me.

'"Surah Al-A'raf 7:59: "Worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him."


Even Jesus (pbuh) will deny you in the judgement day :



Quran 5: 116-117


And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.


[b]I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” [/b]And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things.



So glaring that you are an enemy of God and opposite of Jesus and all prophets .

If you kpai in this your status and you do not repent asap hell 🔥 straight for you o .

Your argument was dismantled in previous thread and will be dismantled again.
But I want to conclude on one question before moving to next. I don't want u to run away from questions like u did in previous thread.

One question after another.

Just to recharge your memory. U demanded to know why I worship Jesus when nobody in the old testament worshipped a man.

I gave u evidence but u rejected or ignored it. I gave u Daniel but U said Daniel was a false prophet, I gave u both Joshua and Abraham but u conveniently ignored it.

Daniel 7
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a human being coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.


That's why I don't want us to do this question on top of questions. It gives room for people like u to escape.

Let's conclude on why Muslims bow to a stone when God told Moses nobody should ever bow down to a stone when worshipping HIM.

ANSWER MY QUESTION THEN I WILL TELL U WHO IS MY GOD WITH CLEAR CUT EVIDENCE.

YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT MUSLIMS BOW TO THE KABBA AND NOT THE BLACK STONE.
OK IF THE KABBA IS DISMANTLED AND RELOCATED TO MEDINA BUT THE BLACK STONE REMAIN INTACT IN MECCA.
WHERE WILL U BOW TO WHEN PRAYING, MECCA OR MEDINA?

2. WHY DID U LIE THAT THE BLACK STONE IS POWERLESS WHEN YOUR HADITH STATES IT HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SIN. HOW CAN A POWERLESS STONE FORGIVE SIN.
WHY DO MUSLIMS TRAMPLED ON THEMSELVES JUST TO KISS THE STONE DURING PILGRIMAGE IF IT HAS NO SIGNIFICANCE


Narrated by Ibn ‘Umar:
“I heard the Messenger of Allah say:
‘Touching the Black Stone and the Yemeni Corner removes sins completely.’”

Answer the questions, them we conclude and move to your own question.

dofman:
I just Dey enjoy how you are disgracing yourself in the public forum .

So up to this moment , you can't provide anywhere to claim your assertion that Muslim were instructed to worship stone 🤣

Another red herring, stick to the question. Why do u bow to a stone. God said do not bow to a stone.

dofman:
So you are on assumptions right ? Lobatan .


Gbam ! , now , you have provided your own answer that Muslims do not worship stone or bow to stone , rather , they face the direction of Jerusalem who later changed to meccah . That means you have agreed to my stand nah . You have learnt 🤣

Stop lying. The hadith says facing the KABBA, not mecca. Iropoju.
Stop being embarrassed by your hadith, it's becoming irritating.

dofman:
The Prophet used to pray facing Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), then Allah commanded him to turn toward the Kaaba

What a nice Hadith 👍, Guy clap for yourself, you have even answered yourself nah and support my first reply .. lobatan .

So can I pray to Allah facing the kabba without bowing to it.
Can I pray facing the kabba but choose not to bow before it

dofman:
Facing Jerusalem or meccah should not be your problem nah as it is not idolatry .

Oya open your bible ;

Point 1:

1 Kings 8:29-30
New International Version

29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place.

30 Hear the supplication of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive.


Point 2 ;

Even your Daniel face Jerusalem for prayer 🤣

Oya read :

Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.


How far now guy ? 🤣

Are those facing Jerusalem which is also a building doing bad thing ?

Yes or no ?


For black stone , let me educate you again once on this new nairaland page ; I repeat , I will never repeat myself ; do you understand ; good .

The Black Stone (Al-Hajar Al-Aswad) is a sacred Islamic relic embedded in the eastern corner of the Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It marks the starting and ending point for pilgrims circling the Kaaba during the Hajj and Umrah pilgrimages

According to Islamic belief, Would Abraham have built the kabba in its present spot without the presence of the black stone.

dofman:
No any verse of Quran or Hadith that say Muslim should worship it ,

Another red herring. Let me tell u what u don't know. When God told Moses to tell the Israelites not to copy the cannanites buy bowing to stone. The cannanites actually don't worship the stone. They worship Asherah, the cannanite goddess. But they worship this goddess by bowing to sacred stones.
That is why God told Moses that Israelites should not copy their practice by bowing to a stone when worshipping HIM.

That's THE ISSUE. MUSLIMS BOW TO A STONE WHEN WORSHIPPING ALLAH. SOMETHING HE TOLD MOSES THE PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER DO.

dofman:
Abis ibn Rabi’ah reported: Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, came to the black stone and he kissed it. Umar said, “Verily, I know you are only a stone with no power to harm or benefit me. Were it not that I saw the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1597, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1270


That Hadith confirmed to everyone that stone is powerless and no one worship it .

STONE IS POWERLESS YET IT HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SIN. HOW CAN A POWERLESS STONE FORGIVE SIN. U THINK ITS A JOKE PEOPLE DIE TO KISS THE STONE DURING PILGRIMAGE.

ITS LIKE U THINK WE DONT HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR HADITHS.

Narrated by Ibn ‘Umar:
“I heard the Messenger of Allah say:
‘Touching the Black Stone and the Yemeni Corner removes sins completely.’”

dofman:
If you think otherwise, bring your proof and show us where Allah instructed Muslim to be worshipping stone if you fit 🤣



He that alleges , must prove . And this is what is you are running away from .


If Muslim are worshipping stone why can’t you see stone in every mosque 🕌 ; like you guys carrying cross in every church .

U BOW TO ONLY THE BLACK STONE IN THE KABBA NOT MULTIPLE STONES. THAT'S WHY U FAVE THE DIRECTION OF KABBA WHEN U PRAY.

dofman:
You know nothing . Go sit down .

Watch here :

https://youtube.com/shorts/7UcLNv86POc?is=J5xKw_TwBX6zymCV


https://youtube.com/shorts/Uek2xe29j3s?is=czmmb404ZnnqLDUO

Wait for my next post reasons why we classify you as an enemy of God 🤣

Evidence full everywhere. This is not assumption like you in your agbako religion propaganda .

NOW LETS PUT THIS TO REST. SINCE U ARGUE THE RELEVANCE OF FACING MECCA IS THE KABBA AND NOT THE STONE.

doffman, IF THE KABBA IS DISMANTLED IN MECCA AND REASSEMBLED IN MEDINA. BUT THE BLACK STONE REMAINED IN MECCA.

WHICH DIRECTION WOULD U NOW FACE WHEN PRAYING.
MEDINA OR MECCA.

Expanse2020:
Are you referring to Kaaba as a black stone
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaiii ignorant is bad oo

Muslims are funny creatures

So u bow towards the KABBA- but not the black stone. Is that what u saying.

Are u saying it's ok as a Muslim to bow before the kabba- a house once filled with pagan idols.

So if u guys don't bow to the black stone, why do u then kiss it. Why do u revere the black stone. Is kabba the house of God that u should bow before it?

Muslims are confused !!!! They are even ashamed of their own religion.

Expanse vow that if u travel for pilgrimage u will never kiss the stone!!!!!

Expanse2020:
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Muslims are not only ashamed of their Quran but they are also ashamed of their religion.

See them denying they bow to a stone when the whole know that's what u do.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of Prayer (Kitab al-Salat)

“The Prophet used to pray facing Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), then Allah commanded him to turn toward the Kaaba

Oya come and deny the obvious. Tell us what is inside the KABBA- black stone

Your friend doffman said Allah never told Muhammed to face the black stone and bow before it.
Who told Muslims to pray facing the black stone.
Why are Muslims breaking the commandment of Almighty God he gave to Prophet Moses when they bow facing a stone.

Answer the question.

dofman:
Kininwi bayi ahaaa🤣


Gbam ! Lobatan .
Just see how you are disgracing yourself in the open forum .

Did God tell Muhammad (pbuh) to tell Muslim to worship or bow to stone in the first place ?

Tell us where God tell Muhammed to bow before a stone.

So you can’t defend your self after I finished you off with evidence of what Muslim worshiped .

Just see I how I finish you with only one post .

Abegi go calll another person that knows better than you do.

Egbami !!!!

If God didn't tell Muhammed to tell Muslims to bow before a stone. Why then do Muslims BOW before the black stone.

For a Muslim to worship Allah, he must face the black stone and bow before it. That is the only way he can worship Allah.

Yet doffman is TELLING ME ALLAH NEVER TOLD MUHAMMED TO TELL MUSLIMS TO BOW BEFORE A BLACK STONE.

SO WHERE DID MUSLIMS LEARN IT FROM?
WHO TOLD MUSLIMS TO BOW BEFORE THE BLACK STONE.
WHO CORRUPTED THE MESSAGE OF MUHAMMED BY TELLING MUSLIMS TO BOW BEFORE A BLACK STONE WHEN THAT INSTRUCTION NEVER CAME FROM MUHAMMED- according to doffman


Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of Prayer (Kitab al-Salat)
Another narration:
“The Prophet used to pray facing Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), then Allah commanded him to turn toward the Kaaba.”

The KABBA HAS THE BLACK STONE IN IT.

WHO TOLD MUSLIMS TO PRAY BOWING TO THE BLACK STONE IF ALLAH NEVER TOLD MUHAMMED TO DO SO.

dofman:
All your questions have been answered and I even lectured you well .

https://www.nairaland.com/8490496/gay-marriage-church-inevitable-most/44

Anyway , let me display your lies again in this forum .


Before will start with you again
You are the one that ask this question :

”Why did God tell Muhammed it's ok to bow before a stone but told Moses he hates it when people bow before a stone”.


Answer:

Muhammad (pbuh) never said Muslim should bow to stone ; never 🤣

Muslim never worship stone ; Infact it is idolatry to worship stone , anybody or any other things except Allah .

Quran 29:17 :

You worship besides Allah nothing but idols, simply creating lies ˹about them˺. Those you worship besides Allah certainly cannot give you any provision. So seek provision from Allah ˹alone˺, worship Him, and be grateful to Him. To Him you will ˹all˺ be returned.


As you can see, quran has described you guys about your lies.

OurGod Is Allah and we worship him only and we do not owed you any explanation , na you follow Satan and chose Jesu as your god nah .


And no where Muhammad said we should worship stone .



Now , you have seen I have given you proof that we never worship stone.

If you fit , tell us where that Allah or Muhammad(pbuh) instructed us to worship stone

After all you are the one that made the claim nah so you must give us proof as I gave you proof .


This is one of the questions I asked you that time and you refuse to answer and you ran away . 🤣

I never knew comprehension skills is a general problem with Muslims.



U clearly quoted my question which asked why did God tell Muhammed to bow before a stone.

When it's time to respond, u answered why did God tell Muhammed to worship a stone.

U see why I said u never answered my question.

I'm not asking if u worship a stone or not. That's not my problem.

My question is why do Muslims BOW before a stone when God clearly told Moses he hates it when people bow before a stone.

God clearly told Moses TELL THE PEOPLE NOT TO BOW BEFORE A STONE BECAUSE HE HATES IT.

Why then did the same God tell Muhammed to BOW before a stone because he likes it.

How can God hates something and like it at the same time. Makes no sense.
Did he change his mind about bowing to a stone?

This is a serious contradiction. If it's not, then someone must be lying.

doffman become a detective, investigate and tell who is the liar.

Expanse2020:
U

Perhaps you first established where God told Muhammad in the Quran to worship stone..
Then I can answer your question.
Then God told you not to bow to stone and 🗿
But our Christians brothers have statues of Jesus at homes and churches where they call to abeg who de deceive himself like the christians🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You carry cross for neck where some them scribe Jesus shapes there who de deceived who🤣🤣🤣🤣

I know compression skills is a big part of your problem but at least make effort to improve on yourself

I never said God told your prophet to WORSHIP a stone. I said according to Islam, Allah told Muhammed to BOW before a stone. That's my point.

But God told a previous prophet called Moses that he should never BOW before a stone.

This is not about worshipping a stone but bowing before a stone.
Why did God tell Moses not to bow before a stone because HE hates it BUT same God told Muhammed to bow before a stone.

This is a contradiction, resolve it.

If it's not a contradiction, Someone must be lying. Who is lying , investigate and tell us.

Anybody bowing before a graven image is commiting idolatry, it doesn't matter what they call themselves. So stop disturbing me with some Christians bowing before a graven image.

Just resolve the contradiction

Explore2xmore:
Interesting your now entering into nip in the bud bringing us to the fourth thread page? In any case let’s stay precise about the claim being made. First, bringing Islam into this is a deflection. The question on the table is NT divine authority. Whether Muhammad pbuh’s experience was genuine or not is a separate discussion and does nothing to answer the original point.
Second, the criteria you listed; embarrassment, dissimilarity, coherence, contextual credibility are historical filters used to identify plausible material within the Gospels. Their very existence assumes the texts cannot simply be accepted wholesale. They support critical evaluation, not automatic verification.
Third, and most importantly, citing Bart Ehrman cuts both ways. Ehrman argues that early Christians genuinely believed Jesus rose from the dead and was divine. But he is equally explicit that historical method cannot prove those beliefs were actually true. He draws a sharp line between the history of belief and the truth of the belief itself.
That distinction is the entire issue here.
So if the argument is that early Christians believed these things, there’s no disagreement. But if the claim is that theology itself is historically verified, then you’re moving beyond what historians like Ehrman say historical method can establish.
I’m simply holding the argument to the same distinction your own source makes.

Now since u admit that the companions of Jesus historically believed that Jesus is divine and rose from the dead as well as he died for our sins as confirmed by historians. That puts to rest the false argument that Paul created christianity.
Paul didn't invent christianity, christianity was already established when Paul joined the faith.

What every christian profess as article of faith comes directly from the companions of Jesus- u admitted that here.

For u to be a christian, u have to believe Jesus is divine, He died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead.

WHAT U AGREED TO IS THAT HISTORICALLY THE COMPANIONS OF JESUS, PEOPLE WHO ATE AND DRANK WITH HIM, SAW HIM WITH THEIR OWN EYES, HEARD HIM PREACHED, FOLLOWED HIM DURING HIS MINISTRY, WITNESSED HIS MIRACLES BELIEVED HE DIED FOR OUR SINS, HE IS DIVINE AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD.

NOW U ADMITTED HERE THAT HISTORICALLY THE COMPANIONS OF JESUS CHRIST PREACHED THAT JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED FOR OUR SINS, AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND HE IS DIVINE. MY BROTHER, THIS IS CHRISTIANITY.

SO U AND I CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE COMPANIONS OF JESUS PREACHED CHRISTIANITY AND SPREAD IT.

so I have 2 questions for u.
1. as a muslim that u are, do u believe the companions of Jesus are believers. The quran called them Muslims, do u agree with the Quran that the companions of Jesus are Muslims.
If u reject that the companions of Jesus who historically preached that Jesus is divine are Muslims, then why did Quran called them Muslims.
If u disagree with the quran that disciples of Jesus are Muslims, why then do u trust what is written in the book. If the Quran gets it wrong by calling companion of Jesus Muslims and u dont think they are, why should ANYONE TRUST WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK AT ALL.

2. MUSLIMS ALWAYS SAY WE SHOULD USE OUR LOGICAL MIND, INTELLECT, AND RATIONAL REASONING TO FIND THE TRUTH.
So lets put this to test.
who should I believe to find the truth about Jesus
THE COMPANIONS OF JESUS, PEOPLE WHO WERE WITH HIM DURING HIS MINISTRY, WHO SAW HIM AND SPOKE TO HIM, AND THESE PEOPLE HISTORICALLY PREACHED THAT JESUS IS DIVINE AND DIED FOR OUR SINS

OR

A SELF ACCLAIMED PROPHET WHO EMERGED FROM A CAVE AND ANNOUNCED AN ANGEL TOLD HIM JESUS NEVER DIED AND HE'S SIMPLY HUMAN. NOBODY COULD CONFIRM THIS SUPERNATURAL ENCOUNTER, NO EYE WITNESS COULD VERIFY THIS PROPHET SPOKE TO ANY ANGEL. EVEN THE BOOK HE BROUGHT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIM SPEAKING TO AN ANGEL.

WHO SHOULD I BELEIVE TO FIND THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS.

Lukuluku69:
Are you now invoking Mathew writing besides your other gods that I can't question his writings?

Do you think at all?

Oga Ade bye bye 👋

U not making sense bye.


When u ready to show us who saw the moon split and plastered back apart from your P.
Let me know.