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dofman:
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😀😀 you will explain tire seh . You have met someone that know bible than you and your pastor in combine . 🥷

Clown, this is what Muslims favourite and most beloved Bible scholars Bart Erhman has to say about the believe of Jesus followers.


“Very soon after Jesus’ death and … after his followers became convinced of his resurrection, Jesus’ death came to be thought of as an atoning sacrifice for the sins of others, a death that would allow others to be put into a restored relationship with God who would no longer be alienated from them because of their sins.”

Now see as they will come and deny their trusted and reliable Bart Erhman.

dofman:
Ahaaa , it is you that want to cover your shame with Pauline law and belief nah . I will reveal that Paul for you soon , read on nah !

Clown, if u actually read the bible as u claim u will know Paul contributed nothing new to Christian faith.
Nothing new came from him. Zero original contribution.
The core principles of our faith came from Christ himself.

Remove Paul letters from the NT, and our faith remain the same. Nothing changes.

Now let's see what Jesus himself said about dying for the sins of mankind.
Did Jesus a really say he came to die for the sins of the world?

Mark 10:45 / Matthew 20:28
“The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Matthew 26:28
“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”

Luke 22:19–20
“This is my body given for you… This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”

John 10:11, 15, 17–18
“The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.”...
“I lay down my life for the sheep.”

John 6:51
“The bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

John 12:23–24, 32–33
“The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified… unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone…”
“When I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people to myself.”
He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

More verses where Jesus openly made it clear he came to die for the sins of mankind.

John 6:53–56 (ESV)

53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.”


John 15:13 (ESV)
“Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.”

WOW SO JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY TOLD US THAT HE CAME TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND.

clown doffman are u aware of these verses or they are not in your own bible. I thought it was Paul that invented that idea, but it looks like it's in the injil that Jesus taught.

Clown this are all from the gospel, Paul didn't write anyone of the gospel letters. None.


Mr bible expert, if u actually been reading the bible as u claim, u will know Jesus predicted his death 3 times.


Mark 8:31 (ESV)
“And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.”


Mark 9:31 (ESV)
“The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him. And when he is killed, after three days he will rise.”

Mark 10:33–34
33 “See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the scribes, and they will condemn him to death and deliver him over to the Gentiles.
34 And they will mock him and spit on him, and flog him and kill him. And after three days he will rise.”

SO JESUS PREDICTED HIS OWN DEATH AND RESURRECTION, DOFFMAN THE CLOWN DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
NOW THAT U KNOW, OYA SHOUT HALLELUJAH

dofman:
Now , let me expose that your master called Paul for you. Let’s go :


Point 1 :

Open your bible and go to In Matthew 5:17,


Same you Paul abandoned early prophet teaching , it is same same your be a Christian , a follower of Paul also abandon the commandments.

ONCE AGAIN LET'S LEAVE PAUL ALONE AND GO TO JESUS TO KNOW WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

How do you get to heaven according to Jesus, following the Law or following Jesus Christ

Matthew 19:16–22
16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”
17 And he said to him, “… If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
19 Honor your father and mother, and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
20 The young man said, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions

The rich young man fulfilled all the law requirement but Jesus told him that's not enough to have eternal life. He needs to have a broken spirit and follow Jesus Christ.

Jesus NOT Paul is the one who said obeying the law is not enough requirement to get you into heaven.

More on how to get to heaven according to Jesus, is it by following the Law or believing in Jesus?

What did Jesus not Paul have to say? Story of the Thief on the cross.

Luke 23:39–43
39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying,
“Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!”

40 But the other rebuked him, saying,
“Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 And he said,
“Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

43 And Jesus said to him,
“Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Did Paul contradict Jesus when he said following the law
is not a requirement to enter the kingdom of heaven? Noooo

The thief obeyed zero laws, Infact he was being punished for breaking the Law.
Instead he repented, believed Christ was divine and put his faith in Jesus Christ.
And Jesus said u will enter paradise with me today. The thief entered heaven without obeying any law or doing good deeds.

Clown doffman, stop hiding under Paul. Read what Jesus said and your eyes will see the truth.

More on how to enter heaven, is it by following the law or faith.
What did Jesus say? Story of the Roman centurion.

5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him,
6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.”
7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.”
8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed.
9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him,
“Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.
11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,
12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment

The Roman centurion had no idea what the Law of Moses is all about, never followed it and possibly didn't believe in it. But he believed in Jesus.
Jesus was so amazed by his faith, that he declares gentiles like him will enter the kingdom of heaven while the supposed Torah observing arrogant Jews will be thrown out.

Clown Doffman, so called bible expert. As u can see, we follow the teaching of Jesus. I repeat, remove the letters of Paul and our faith remain the same.

dofman:
Point 2:


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Hahaha, Jesus that took correct koboko and whipped those who are sinning within the church.

John 2:13–16
13 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money changers sitting there.
15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
16 And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father’s house a house of trade.”

The point is clear, be supportive with those struggling with sin OUTSIDE THE CHURCH BUT be intolerant of such behavior within the church.

Even Paul said we should be gentle with those struggling with sin


1. Galatians 6:1–2
1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.


2. 2 Corinthians 2:5–8
5 If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as all of you, to some extent—not to put it too severely.
6 The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient.
7 So you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.
8 So I urge you to reaffirm your love for him.

Are they both saying the same thing? Yes.
Paul and Jesus affirm to be gentle with sinners but be firm with irresponsible behaviors within the church.

dofman:
Point 3 :

Same as point 2, no point repeating myself.
This is what Paul has to say about bringing people to Christ.



1 Corinthians 9:20–22 (ESV)

20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews.
21 To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
22 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside God’s law but under Christ’s law) that I might win those outside the law.
To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.

MT:
Nigerians love drama.

They call India and China idol worshippers, yet these Nations are busy growing economically.

Elon Musk doesn't pay tithe, yet he is the richest man on earth. Why has cankerworm refused to eat his money?

The world is going AI and undergoing 360-degree scientific groundbreaking innovation, it is this jamboree we are focused on.

That explains our story as a nation.

Religion has nothing to do with mindset and definitely doesn't impede development.
Western civilization was based on judeo Christian values and there greatest moments was when they embraced the religion.
Now that they have abandoned it, we can see how well it's going for them with majority western nations slipping into 2nd world nations.

Dubai and Qatar are regarded as the most economic prosperous place to be right now, and they are strictly Muslim nations. Even your so called atheist western nations are trooping their to make a living and escaping godless Europe.

I repeat, religion doesn't impede development in anyway.

U guys should find something better to do with your spare time.

Hallelujah challenge runs for just 2 hours daily, which to u is a problem. I'm very sure u waste more than 2 hrs of your time everyday on social media chatting irrelevance.

Peliman:
Steady cashout for Nathaniel Bassey check social blade and see average of how much he made on the views and earnings.

It's not monitized. It's for free since he started.

AntiChristian:
Men and women are not Equal. You can't tell your mum she has the same right as your mum! Rather everyone has their own rights while one right is superior! Your bigotry stinks!

1. Genesis 2:18, 21-23 (NIV) — Creation of Woman from Man
"The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.' ... So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called “woman,” for she was taken out of man.'"

This passage is often interpreted to mean that woman was created as a helper and subordinate to man.

2. 1 Corinthians 11:3 (NIV) — Headship Principle
"But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

This verse is frequently cited to establish a hierarchy where man has authority over woman.

3. Ephesians 5:22-24 (NIV) — Wives and Husbands
"Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

This passage explicitly calls for wives to submit to their husbands, implying a leadership role for men in marriage.

4. 1 Timothy 2:11-14 (NIV) — Women’s Role in Teaching
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

This passage is often interpreted as restricting women from leadership or authoritative teaching roles in the church.

5. 1 Peter 3:1-6 (NIV) — Wives and Husbands
"Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives... For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands."

Again, this passage emphasizes submission of wives to husbands.

so all this shalaye is the reason why a 14 year old girl cannot engage in a mixed marathon but a 10 year old girl is allowed to participate.
There's concern the sweat coming from the jogging 14 year old girl can cause fitnah for our muslim brothers.
when u see a man made religion, u will definitely know it.

Women and girls over the age of 12 were banned by a mosque from taking part in a charity fun run.

Fundraising event, described as ‘family-friendly’ with ‘inclusive atmosphere’ on its website, has been accused of being discriminatory

The 5km event held in an East London park today – billed as 'inclusive' and 'family-friendly' – was open to men and boys of all ages, but organisers insisted that female teenagers and women were forbidden from joining in. There was no separate marathon event organized for the women.

The fundraiser, called Muslim Charity Run and organised by East London Mosque, was held in Victoria Park in Tower Hamlets.

The local authority is run by the Aspire Party, set up by Bangladesh-born politician Lutfur Rahman, a former Labour councillor who was removed from office for electoral fraud in 2015, but re-elected in 2022.

But the move by East London Mosque to ban females over 12 from the event came amid growing concerns about the rise of sharia values taking precedence over British laws and traditions in communities across the country.

Last night, after being alerted to the Muslim Charity Run's segregation rules, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) said it would assess the case.

Feminist Kellie-Jay Keen of Party of Women slammed it as 'plainly unlawful' and 'regressively sexist', questioning the mosque's £5 million revenues and government ties while ignoring women's rights. Baroness Shaista Gohir of Muslim Women's Network UK warned of an Equality Act breach, asking why girls under 12 qualify but teens do not.

The controversy comes after US President Donald Trump claimed that London wants “to go to Sharia law” under Mayor Sadiq Khan. Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer dismissed the claims as “ridiculous nonsense”.

Yet they wonder why people do not want to live under shariah

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9156c09e3f5658f3?msockid=23f4c0819fdf645f1be9d4679e7565cb

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15185317/POLL-DAY-Sadiq-Khan-Muslim-charity-London-park-run-banned-women-girls-12.html

adonainana:
So in a city of up to 10 million people

You only mentioned 10 estates and I can confirm to you that’s all there is as far as estates are involved

And barely 2 ,000 - 5,000 people live in these estates so the next big question is where are the remaining 99 percent of people living in the so called mega city

U are the ignorant one throwing numbers around carelessly.
What's the population of Oyo state that Ibadan would be 10 million.

Those estates are upscale areas in Ibadan. U don't expect them to come cheap in anyway.
Any solid luxury building anywhere in Nigeria today will cost u nothing less than 100 million. This is minus the cost of the land.
So imagine where the wealthy and 1% live.

Even a modern looking 4 bedroom bungalow/duplex in places like Mowe- Ibafo goes for 60- 80 million.

Yet some people want to buy land in high scale neighborhood for 50 million because it's Ibadan.
Isokuso.

musicwriter:
Of course, you'll find all excuses not to be free.

Otherwise, how is a European culture that share similar traits dominating another European culture the same as dominating you in Africa? French and English are cousins. Germans and English are cousins, etc

So, at least there's a relationship. Even if they impose one religion on another, at least it's understandable. They can easily adapt to it because they share similar ice cold philosophy and worldview, unlike our ancestors in tropical Africa.

Having said that, Christianity didn't civilize anyone even in Europe, rather it messed with them big time, ultimately leading to what themselves call "the dark ages" which is a time that they lost all knowledge as a result of being made dumb by religion. They actually left Christianity before their eyes opened.

The way some of u write wrong stuff with confidence baffles me. Civilisation on Europe is tied to Christianity.

The renaissance period in Europe was ushered in because people wanted to read and interpret the bible with their own innate intelligence . They don't want some pope in Rome telling them what to do because they realised they are being lied to by religious institutions.

Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press because he wanted everybody to have a copy of the bible and read it in their own languages rather than Latin.

Queen Isabella sponsored the voyage of Christopher Columbus to the new world because she was hoping to spread the gospel to new places.

Both Galileo and Isaac Newton were devout Christians who processed their faith till death.

The Renaissance produced some of the most religious art in history — Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel, Leonardo’s Last Supper, Raphael’s Madonna.

Out of Renaissance learning and criticism came Martin Luther, Calvin, and other reformers.

The Europeans emerged from the dark ages with growing disillusionment with corruption in the Roman Catholic hierarchy (indulgences, political power, wealth), the faith was steadfast.

It's only recently they abandoned the Christian faith for liberal secularism or whatever, and we can see how's it going for them.
Abi no be British man Dey swallow coke enter Dubai in order to survive. U forget the source of your greatness, u become desolate.

Host78:
oga I did not keep her in a relationship for 4 years.

We were in the relationship together for 4 years and like any two people who loved each other, we should be working towards making a life together.

I did not tie anyone down in the relationship.

I don't know about you but relationship should progress into marriage and not relationship just because you want to get married.

She wanted out and I did not hold her.

Secondly, I'm not sure she'll marry me too but I equally gave her 4 years of my time, sacrifices and resources or you don't think my time, resources and sacrifices in the relationship also matter?

Or you thought I was just sitting down and she was taking care of me in the relationship?

How some of una dey think sha?

the biologic clock of a woman is different from man, and I'm sure u know that very well.
The prime of a lady is in her 20s, if she miss it within that timeframe, prospect of marriage becomes more difficult.
u dont tie down a woman in her 20s for 4 good years without any reasonable commitment. that's 4 years of her prime wasted.
next time, learn not to be selfish.

Bordey:
Black Americans always out there throwing race card. They are always claiming to be a victim and the boy mum is obviously looking for free money from a lawsuit. I don't know why they cut the first part of the video where they sang the normal birthday song. Then this other second silly version that even parents sing to their kids in America. This is a popular birthday song for kids if you grow up in America you will know the song.

The teacher was just kind of tone deaf, America is such in a sensitive era right now when it comes to racism and she shouldn't sing the song cos it will appear as racism while it's obviously not one.

Feel free to allow whites to call your child a monkey but dont tell others what their child should be called or justify why they shouldnt be offended.
u dont tell people how to react when u carelessly throw insult around.
Your sill...y rationalization is the reason bully is fully entrenched unabated in western schools, and when the black boy fights back, they say he can't control his emotions or he's aggressive.

The irony is same people saying what she said is not racism will be same one shouting and wailing if one racist get shot in the neck.

What we expect from all these racists apologists is to use their brain, caution their constituents, and prevents unnecessary utterances that could lead to unseen fatal consequence, but no they will expect the victim to suck it up and laff over it.

BodyCount:
Una go just open mouth waaaaaa without using the very common sense. This one wants to start stories of Ethiopia or Egypt... Who doesn't know that already.
The issue here is the history and true colour of Christianity and what the religion stand for.

Mr Man, na u dey open mouth waa without any connection with your brain.

true colour of christianity is about the bible and what Jesus preached. It has anything to do with what some people did with it.

Christianity doesnt belong to europeans, it was forced on them same way it was introduced to africans.

It's so obvious right now Israel is simply hiding behind one finger. They can't hide anymore.

Palestine statehood is not about if but when. Using Hamas as excuse won't sell anymore.

Gaza is the biggest open prison in the world while Israelis continue to build houses in West Bank with disregard for territorial agreement.

Enough is enough. Israel should allow Palestine breath.

America is the last straw Israel is holding onto but that will definitely break. The leftist don't even want to hear Zionism and anytime a younger generation president emerge from democratic party, it's game over for Israel.

They can't even use the bible to justify the ongoing atrocity. Yes YHWH promised them the land as a result of the covenant he established with their ancestor Abraham.

But God clearly told the Israelites to treat foreigners in their midst as one of them and to give them their own inheritance in the land.

Ezekiel 47
21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign Lord.


U cant choose what to follow in the ordinances of God. You can't continue to shout God gave u the land but refuse to acknowledge the rights of foreigners living amongst u.

Palestinians have been living on that land as a people as far back 250 BC. They are the ancient Arameans, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites.

Israel has no leg to stand on at all. Not even biblically.

Ukeme8:
Doctor are really enjoying this .

More character needed

Who told u, na dem import doctor pass.

Over 9000 international medical graduates entered into residency program this year alone. 6000 of them are non US citizen.

250 thousand doctors working in USA are foreign graduates.

However, the pathway to qualify is gruelling and not for the faint hearted. U have to be good and serious to get thru.

Impliment:
While bringing US and UK into the nonsense? Probably you want to use it to justify the wild wild west politics being played in the south west.
Where in US or UK you mentioned have 4 elected officials died barely one month after they were sworn in? Tell me.

Dey play. Politics all over the world is a dirty game.
People want u to join the matrix or u keep quiet.
If u try to form one big player without serious backing, they will deal with u.
Look at P. Diddy, Andrew Tate. Even people are saying Zionist took out Charles Kirk.

Powerful forces control the affairs of this world and they don't want the status quo challenged.

Ask yourself, why is Europe self destructing with this massive migration despite locals saying they do t want it.

Who is benefiting from this massive migration of 3rd worlders to Europe. Definitely not the natives.

Expanse2020:
Explain Seminal fluid for me
At least you can Google it and what is the function of seminal fluid...if true true your brain is still functioning and intact....

What determines fertility seminal fluid or sperm.

I'm not my duty to educate u. That's something a good solid background education should have fixed.

Expanse2020:
So what did you fail to understand there sir

Is fluid the not different from sperm it's self
And the fluid produce from the back is located inside the seminal fluid

Let go back to biology

Seminal fluid
(also called semen) is the thick, whitish fluid that is released from the male reproductive system during ejaculation.

It is made up of two main parts:

1. Sperm cells – the reproductive cells produced in the testes that can fertilize a female’s egg.


2. Seminal plasma – the liquid portion that carries and nourishes the sperm. This fluid is produced by different glands, including:

Seminal vesicles (produce sugar-rich fluid to give sperm energy)

🔹 Function:

Transports sperm during ejaculation.

Provides nutrients and energy for sperm.



Does the Quran said it's sperm produced directly from the backbone
olodo

Beside the fluid we are talking about come from the lower back of the spine which is called pelvic ; if you have one


Can't you make research about biology even if you don't understand anatomy?



Seminal fluid is not stored in just one place — it is produced and collected from different male reproductive organs, then released through the urethra during ejaculation.
The spine (vertebral column) extends down into the lower back at the bottom of the spine is the sacrum (a triangular bone) and the coccyx (tailbone).

These bones are directly joined to the pelvic bones (hip bones).

However, the nerves that control ejaculation do pass through the spinal cord in the backbone — so the backbone is involved in controlling the process


So the pelvis and spine are physically connected — the pelvis supports the weight of the upper body that comes down through the spine.

That’s why reproductive organs in the pelvic region (like the bladder, prostate, and seminal vesicles) are located very close to the lower spine.


So simple little research you can made on seminal fluid
Shame on you bro

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

So man is created from seminal fluid

So it's seminal fluid not the sperm that produce mankind

Imagine using biology to claim seminal fluid creates mankind.

Is it seminal fluid or sperm that determines fertility? When they say someone is infertile, is the problem lack of adequate seminal fluid or lack of adequate sperm?

U will have to try again because this one no be am.

Once again, explain how what's the fluid that gushes from backbone and the ribs that create mankind.

Lucifyre:
🤣🤣🤣
Thought as much, typical chicken with empty noise. What further seals this is the incredible irony that Pasteur never said such when fact checked. Truly laughable, at least like the others on here ud think twice before quoting me next time. 🤡

Pele...
I can see Seun's spam bot is giving u hard time.
Maybe U should be more coherent and learn to argue without insult.
Then U will be fine.

Lucifyre:
🤣🤣🤣
Thought as much, typical chicken with empty noise. What further seals this is the incredible irony that Pasteur never said such when fact checked. Truly laughable, at least like the others on here ud think twice before quoting me next time. 🤡

Quoting U!!!

Only God knows how many times I've busted U!!!! And I will continue to do so until U repent.

U are no different from other atheist I have debated here. Poor knowledge of biblical theology and Christian historicity.
U guys watch some half baked YouTube videos and then think U know it all to challenge Christians with your half illiteracy.

U jumped in here claiming Isaiah 53 is about Israel.

When I slapped him with contra evidence, he's now
changing mouth, bringing up irrelevance saying I should show him Jesus in the old testament....as if I ever debated that with him in the first place.

THE DEBATE IS SIMPLE- IS ISAIAH 53 ABOUT ISRAEL OR MESSIAH.
STOP WAFFLING AND DEAL WITH THE QUESTION.

The funny thing is if I take U up on 'if Jesus is mentioned by name in the old testament' U will run away or start waffling again.

I will continue to stop n embarass u and other atheist so long as u guys won't take your nose off the bible and focus on your false belief.

I already did a good job bringing that other thread about Paul and the gospel to a dead end. None of u guys could respond to my rebuttal.

U can help goosethetruth resurrect his thread if U have what it takes.

As for this one, pls don't quote me if U are not ready to deal with the argument- Is Isaiah 53 about the suffering Messiah or Israel. pls I need evidence, I'm not interested in your half baked opinions.

11doubledee:
But muammar Al Ghaddafi represents how many percent to want to rule forever?
Democracy is still best form of governance.
I'll just take this as a joke.

no its not. democracy is now a joke.

recent events in europe has shown democracy in the hands of incompetent leaders is a disaster.
all it takes to destroy a country and ruin what's been built for centuries is a clueless and weak leader running the affairs of a nation for 4 years

seunmsg:
There is no opposition again in that country. Traoré is now a full blown dictator who will do everything to hang on to power. We’ve seen it play out over and over again around the world. IBB kept postponing election until he was forced to step aside after June 12. Abacha wasted five years on an electoral process that led to all the political parties throwing him up as presidential candidate.

See, Traoré will never conduct a credible election. He either tries to convert himself to an elected President through sham election or he keeps a tight grip hold on power. He will be removed by a coup sooner or later when others get tired of licking his ass. One person can’t hold on to power forever. Others will also want some action. That is how all these always end. Bookmark this.

Oga he's real. He doesnt believe in democracy and he's scrapped it. simple.
better than your other african dictators who perpetuate themselves in power forever thru sham elections.

Africa is not ready for democracy, we don't beleive in it. we only see it as a means to power.
be honest and ask yourself this question, do the north of nigeria believe in democracy? do u think they will be enthusiastic about our democratic process if they dont have the population advantage?

Be real.

If they remove him, that's their cup of tea. whether the move will be popular or popular is up to burkina faso to decide.
it wont be the first time they will do such.
it only shows the inherent weakness in our system and lack of national interest amongst majority of our leaders.

Helpfromabove1:
Let see how media propaganda will help the supposedly best country in Africa

The true colors is gradually coming out

He's been real. this action is better than arranging a sham election and declaring himself the winner.

election helps nobody and trust me people all over the world including westerners have lost faith in democracy.

gulf countries and china have demystified the concept that prosperity is linked to democracy.

Lucifyre:
...Funny enough speaking of 'church fathers', you expect us to rely on a claim to verify a claim, when the claim used to verify the other claim is full of inconsistencies. Even so called church father Papias voiced displeasure over the written accounts of Jesus' life and made claims Matthew was written in hebrew which it most certainly was not. Also made claims Mark and Matthew('the tax collector' - who was also identified to be Levi) were sayings gospels which they obviously were not. As well as giving a contradictory account of Judas' death diff from the 2 contradictory accounts already in the texts. Not factual?!

So much inconsistencies and you want us to ignore the obvious preferring to use inconsistent claims to verify a claim. Inconsistent claims that were adopted decades after the gospels were written, with the church fathers even disagreeing on the order, dating and details of the texts. Laughable. A claim is never used to verify a claim, much less one with inconsistencies, evidence is used and here there is non. Energy would be better expended forming some semblance of objectivity and finding evidence for your inconsistent subjective myth cause it falls like a pack of cards.

I know English is very hard for U despite your preference to write lengthy passages.

I brought factual evidence here to support the authorship of the gospel which I couldn't counter but went on about the reliability of the scriptures.

The debate here is EVIDENCE FOR OR AGAINST ANONYMITY OF THE GOSPEL.

I WANT FACTUAL IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE.
below is the meaning of factual irrefutable evidence in case U do t know.

Pls don't quote me if U are just going to present another of your boring g lectures because I won't reply U.

Lucifyre:
Man😄 see how this dude is convulsing over my mentions. The sweet schadenfreude when you guys begin to foam at the mouth due to that precious hit of cognitive dissonance once your beliefs are examined, cause deep down you know it's evidently baseless. Already told you trying to convince you is a fool's errand I have no intention of running, neither do I intend to validate your typical concocted & regurgitated apologetic what-if scenarios. 

But i'd oblige the bolded just to have a laugh. Btw Is the bolded some form of satire or something or are u simply just as clueless and ignorant as much as you foam at the mouth. No factual evidence?! An unfunny joke😄 Which of the gospels explicitly names the author(s) within the texts or even any variant of the dissimilar manuscripts without originals? That's not factual?! Maybe you could show it to us in any of the gospels where we all missed the names within the texts identifying the authors.

Maybe while at it you also tell us how - without concocting magical maybe scenarios - poor illiterate peasants who spoke Aramaic in a time period where the literacy rate was less than 2% somehow managed to write in sophisticated greek and chose not to write in Aramaic or Hebrew? That's not factual?! Even 'church father' Justin Matyr called them illiterate like the texts themselves called em in Acts 4:13. Were the texts written in a 1st person or 3rd person view lol?! "We know his testimony is true". Not factual?! lol!...

Pls if U are not ready to bring evidence to cou ter my own evidence, don't mention me.

I'm not interested in your long boring meaningless lectures.

If U say the gospel authors are unanimous, bring factual evidence to support your claim.
U can borrow ideas from your scholars if U are bereft of one. But I want to see factual irrefutable evidence that depicts the gospel were written by unknown authors.

Lucifyre:
Typical circular reasoning, unverifiable belief, and selective readings which, ironically, all back up my point. Quoting Isaiah 59:2 and then using that to define sin as “separation from God” is laughable. What kind of tautology is that? It’s like saying: “Mosquitoes cause malaria, therefore malaria is a mosquito.” lol! Not that I care anyway, you can define it however you want. It still doesn't change the fact of what I said about what it is, which is why it's applied nowhere else except in religious contexts, thankfully.

Then next, you drop a chart from an unverified, anonymous source (likely lifted from an apologetics site) and call it “evidence,” even though it shows what I’ve said from the start: basically a non-unified, inconsistent, and evolving interpretive tradition — the typical and massive retcon. Even the idea that "no Jew interpreted Isaiah 53 as Israel until 1000 AD" is a popular fat Christian lie that is verifiably false as scholars like John Collins, Mark Smith, Adele Berlin, James Kugel and Fishbane amongst many other scholars - some of which are even xtain - document.

Your source which expectedly shall not be named, shows rabbis as much as xtains disagreeing about whether the servant is Israel, a prophet, the messiah, or someone else entirely, with the dominant view being Israel. So how does that confirm divine clarity? Again tour very own source shows absolutely none of them — zero, zilch, nada — expecting the messiah to be crucified, resurrected, dieing for sins or that it's Jesus. Didn’t your own scriptures say “God is not the author of confusion”? Because what you're citing is pure biblical confusion.

So your weak attempt at a bait-and-switch is a task failed successfully. Even your chart never names Jesus, just like Isaiah 53 doesn’t. But “servant” is clearly and repeatedly named as Israel in Isaiah Ch 41–49: “But you, Israel, my servant.” So for Isaiah 53 to suddenly shift to a Jesus who is named nowhere, not even in the Hebrew Bible as a whole, is the exact type of massive retcon of selectively applying and discarding the text in a subjective manner to renegotiate and reinterpret it only xtainity and its numerous denoms are capable of.

No surprise then that you guys can’t even agree on what you call “truth” or “evidence,” which is quite laughable for something supposedly divinely revealed. Truth must be objective, verifiable, observable, demonstrable, and falsifiable. Truth is truth regardless of belief or acceptance. None of these apply to your joke called “truth,” which is why it’s not widely accepted the world over as the truth and luckily never will be.

There’s only one standard of truth accepted regardless of race, location, belief, acceptance, culture, etc. Christianity will factually never be it, except all xtains can objectively agree which would obviously never happen. So instead of performing mystical dodges, why not show us:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.

Now my guy u are waffling....
U see why I don't like responding to this guy.
Tons of verbosity with zero evidence for his claim.


My friend staying on topic. Stop the unnecessary divergence.
Uve lost the plot, admit and leave.

Did the bible prophesy a someone dying for the sin of humanity. The answer is YES.

If U have any evidence to the contrary. I mean evidence...I don't want your long boring lectures.
EVIDENCE...produce.

All your shalaye is just a clear defeatist mentality. We call it waffling.

U quoted some scholars. Did they say Isaiah 53 is about Israel and always been about Israel?
Bring evidence. That's what I wna to see not your waffling.

Lucifyre:
Typical circular reasoning, unverifiable belief, and selective readings which, ironically, all back up my point. Quoting Isaiah 59:2 and then using that to define sin as “separation from God” is laughable. What kind of tautology is that? It’s like saying: “Mosquitoes cause malaria, therefore malaria is a mosquito.” lol! Not that I care anyway, you can define it however you want. It still doesn't change the fact of what I said about what it is, which is why it's applied nowhere else except in religious contexts, thankfully.

Whatever u wrote u there makes no sense. Do u even know what tautology means?
Imagine making meaningless comparison with mosquito and malaria.


Even AI shows better insight into biblical understanding of sin than u.

Lucifyre:
Why should he answer him, the same Sirtee that's an expert at running away once his baseless assertions are shown to be baseless. 😄😄😄

Run away indeed.

Answer my question...stop running away

When did Isaiah 53 changed stopped becoming messianic chapter.

When did Rabbinical Jews changed Isaiah 53 from about The Messiah to about Israel.

I will bring the evidence again.

The truth is very hard to deny, no wonder the silence.