spillo1:

Fallacy. Messi was always a generational talent. With or without pep he would have dominated. He didn't make shittt but helped developed him.

This generational talent did not score 20 goals a season before Pep

The evidence is there for everyone to see. Messi production before Pep and after Pep

Messi 06/07 - 17 goals in all competition
Messi 07/08 - 16 goals in all competition

Enter Pep Guardiola

Messi 08/09 - 38 goals in all compeition (More than doubled previous season)
Messi 09/10 - 47 goals in all competition
Messi 10/11 - 53 goals in all competition

kendrick93:
I'm still in shock about this post

The evidence is there for everyone to see. Messi production before Pep and after Pep

Messi 06/07 - 17 goals in all competition
Messi 07/08 - 16 goals in all competition

Enter Pep Guardiola

Messi 08/09 - 38 goals in all compeition (More than doubled previous season)
Messi 09/10 - 47 goals in all competition
Messi 10/11 - 53 goals in all competition

kendrick93:
Stop making excuses for pep...I believe he spent over a 170m that season and couldn't get past a Monaco in the round of 16

Pogba and Lukaku alone costs more than that. How much did Mourinho spend and couldbnt get past Sevilla, Sevillas record signing was Muriel for 20M

kendrick93:
Pep made Messi or Messi was maturing? Lol

Pep made Messi, he converted him from a winger into a false 9 and we saw the effect on the goals sheet

patrickmuf:
When he peaked, he won it x3 in a row...

Ronaldo was already best player in the world before Mourinho, Kaka was already best player in the world before Mourinho, So what peak were they going to again

kendrick93:
Next thing you will say it was pep who made Messi..lol
Like I said PEP inherited a world class team.... alongside spending big bucks on players too

Yes Pep made Messi

Evidence. Go and check Messis production before Pep and after Pep

patrickmuf:
Because they had not peaked yet according to your logic in defense of Pep...

Ronaldo and Kaka already made the CL finals and won it before Mourinho. Both were even Balon dors before Mourinho

So was Ronaldo waiting to peak?

spillo1:

Are you disputing the fact that before Mourinho won the league Barca won thrice in a row or Madrid only won 1 in 4

I am disputing

spillo1:

Lol before Mourinho came Barca won the league thrice in a role. That is one in 4yrs.

kendrick93:
Don't also forget how he was humiliated at mancity by a 18yr old mbappe and his Monaco boys....

Do you remember any of the Sevilla boys who humiliated Mourinho out of the CL the last time he participated? At least we know Mbappe, Mendy, Bernardo, Fabinho etc from the Monaco side and where they are today

Where are the Sevilla boys who gave Mourinho a heritage lesson

kendrick93:
that they went trophy less doesn't negate the fact that they had a team filled with world class players...all they needed was just fresh ideas and little addition......That barca team pep inherited plus his signings of Henry and Dani Alves were all world class players.....Even I could have won trophies with that squad

But Rijkaard did not win trophies with the team, he actually went trophyless. Are you sayng you are a better coach than Rijkaard

And yesterday I showed that Only Valdez, Etoo and Puyol were the starting players in the 2009 final that were also in the starting 11 of the 2006 final with rijkaard

spillo1:

Guardiola took a team that went to three finals in 4 yrs and fresh from winning a treble to getting disgraced regularly in the Champions league. What do you call such a coach?

You havent told us the 3 seasons Barcelona won the league before Mourinho

kendrick93:
pep success lol...
Eto'o was there times African best,third runner up in ballon d'or ,two times fifpro xi all this he achieved before pep came.
Henry was multiple times golden boot Pl winner,he was possibly the best striker in the world which is why barca paid good fee for him...
Messi has already been heralded to be the second coming of maradona...
Oh yes but it was all saint pep's work...
Can you sing another lie please

But Mournho played with Ronaldo, Kaka and failed to win

spillo1:

There was nothing impressive about pep 3 league titles at Bayern. He did the bare minimum. Man was a failure.

Juup failed to win the league in 2011/2012, Van Gaal failed to win this same league in 2010/11

spillo1:

Lol before Mourinho came Barca won the league thrice in a role. That is one in 4yrs.

I am disputing what you wrote up there

Mourinho came in 2010 and Barcelona did not win 3 league titles in a row before 2010

spillo1:

Lol Pep won league with the strongest team in the championship. What an achievement. A league jupp won with 24points gap.

Mourinho coaching Ronaldo and Kaka(2 Balon dors) won how many league titles? The same league Capello and Schuster won

spillo1:

Lol before Mourinho came Barca won the league thrice in a role. That is one in 4yrs.

List the years Barcelona won the league thrice in a row before Mourinho came

Mind you Mourinho came in 2010

spillo1:

Why did pep not a make a Champions league final Bayern were going to regularly before he came?

That is because Bayern team peaked in 2013 and the only way forward was downwards

How come Mourinho didnt make the CL final with Madrid while his successors made it

spillo1:

When you called Mourinho a failure did you tell us how many league titles Madrid have won the previous seasons before he took over.

Madrid won the league 07/08 Mourinho took over 2010

spillo1:

Pep was a failure at Bayern. Before him 3 Champions league finals in 4 years. With him and after 0 finals. Hence why everybody agrees pep destroyed Bayern with his rubbish style of play.

Why did Ancelotti not even make the same semi that Pep made

spillo1:

You have jumped from Lagos to London and I am not coming with you. The Koko is before pep Bayern made 3 finals in 4 years under 2 different coaches. Can you tell us how many final they made with pep and after Pep ?

So Pep is responsible for the results of Juup Ancelotti and Kovac after him? I dont see you crediting Mancini for the success of Mourinho at Inter

spillo1:

Thank God you asked. Prove 1.1 like I told you before that pep ruined that generation. Before he came 3 finals in 4 years. After he came how many finals did they make?

Ferguson won the treble in 1999, who ruined that Man Utd that made them not to make another CL final for almost a decade

spillo1:

We saw how his home record enabled him blow away teams at Bayern and led them to win the Champions league constantly.

Since he left, how many times has Bayern made the final or

kokaneprodigy:
Scummies come out let’s fight!

E jadé ka bù rawa

Anyone who lived in Awo Hall in Ife will be familiar with this call. Block 2 e jade e jeka bu ara wa

spillo1:

Can't you read or what. It was clearly stated Pep woo full away record you are here mis yarning.

What is the point of away record if your have a home record good enough to blow the away record

Its like saying a boxer has a weak left hand when his right hand wins his bouts for him

hensben:
Goals and assist don’t tell it all. His level of performance dropped under pep.

What is evidence of his level of performance that dropped, Call you citadel people to help you out with your foolishness for today

hensben:
Exactly. Pep style destabilized the team and affected some key players like Muller. This is what I have been saying from onset.

Yet Muller had his best season ever in goals and assists under Pep

Greatihex:
same way the arsenal 2 0 win scoreline against Bayern does not tell the whole story.

I remember that the normal bayern first 11 did not play that match. I remember ribery didn't play. It was like a dead rubber match after the 3 1 at emirates

Who were the normal Bayern first 11 that were missing from the match

airmark:


All we are sayinggggggggggggggggg, give us UCLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!

Pep has 2, How many UCL does Conte have?

spillo1:


They played absolute perfect football. If they had stayed with Heycnkes they probably would've won the treble again but no. Pep the fraud came with his rubbish tiki taka and was getting raped in the Champions league.

Juup came back coached the team and he didnt win the treble. He was eliminated by Madrid and even by Kovac in the Cup

Kimbeast:


In seriousness, that team underacheived tremendously by winning only one Champions league from 2011 till now, should've won atleast 2-3. I don't think Pep's coaching style suited them.

Juup Ancelotti also coached them and what did they win

spillo1:

Why are you blinded by bias. Bayern were undoubtedly the best team in Europe. They demolished and raped Barca. I was even more impressed on how they nullified Juventus home and away.


I called them “German Machines“. That season was played with absolute desire amd hunger. They wanted to win it all and had all neccesary tools to do so. What you are saying about that team is fallacy.


They were excellent and efficient in every aspect of their game. Could play any kind of game whether it was possession-based, counter-attacking, low block, high press, narrow or wide.

They turned the allianz arena into a slaughter house both locally and continentally that season.
If ever there was one example of when anger drove a team, that bayern would be it.

Pep ruined that generation.

You mean the same team that Arsenal beat in Munich is the machine?

Eruditor:


When he did not win, they said the league exposed him. Nobody mentioned money.

When he won, they went back to money.

When he won again and signed only Mahrez they went back to money again.

The same squad but they will always talk about money.

Shebi Conte spent a quarter of a billion, what did he win?