basilico:


Everyone sees what they want to see and believe whatever they want.
Newsom father in law ran away from Commiefornia to Florida because of better safety, lower taxes and better governance.😜😜

https:///RonDeSantis/status/1730410605360697411?s=20

Anyone who watched the debate yesterday knew Desantis floored Newsom

The debate was to debate Blue state policy vs Red state Policy

While Ron was able to state that California is so dirty that it has a shiit map, homelessness was all over, Newsom father inlaw fled to Florida, That how bad school books were promoting pornography for kids, and how Newsom had his own kids in private school during covid while he shut public schools, Disney Florida stayed open during covid while Disney California was shut

The only point Newsome kept making was that neither he nor Desantis will be nominee and he should drop out for Nikki Haley. How is this part of his blue state policy?

Newsom had significant trouble with the truth even when showed facts and numbers like Education in California, Covid death numbers, Taxes, Gas prices and even number of people who fled the state

The sucker punch Ron DeSantis delivered to him was that California is the most naturally blessed state in the country with beautiful weather how Newsom managed to chase people away from beautiful California

Raheem Sterling in Chelsea that is an excellent choice for Chelsea

I will suggest opening a different thread on this same EPL section and name it

All discussions Politics, music, business and derailer haven

I expect this will not be deleted as long as people are matured enough not to go into personal attacks

Someone should open the thread and mention us

patrickmuf:
You want to hide behind the word "Rookie"...

Ole is several levels below Pep just as Pirlo is several levels below Conte...If Conte doesn't deserve praise, shouldn't Pep be arrested for failing to win the league in February?

You said Ole is a rookie, how is Ole a rookie? He has almost the same number of years coaching as Pep and Tuchel yet no one has ever referred to those as rookies

Conte won a league vs Pirlo who just coached his first ever senior team. Actually his first ever coaching gig
Pep won a league vs Liverpool Chelsea and Man Utd 3 times in the past 4 seasons with coaches like Klopp, Mourinho, Sarri, Tuchel Pochetino

MorataFC:
I thought the league is a marathon race, why are u ppl try to convince us as if inter played all their against pirlo, if pirlo is rookie what about the remaining 18 coaches?

In any league there are only a few teams who can realistically win the league and the biggest one hired a coach who was supposed to be in their U23 team

Havertz10:
that's not true, there are coaches and there are managers, klopp, pep and Wenger were managers, they had final say on transfers, the only control the board held was the financial side of it but if the board says you have 200m to spend pep, klopp and Wenger will pick whoever they like and the board will only watch

As for conte, he was a coach, he could only make suggestions and requests but it's the board that had the final say, if you notice pep and klopp only complain about finances not players bought unlike conte that complains about players bought, I don't know why you guys are dragging conte, I don't like his methods but what he did at inter was commendable even if there were fortunate circumstances Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity

Klopp Pep etc has a management team who decides on transfers. If you watched Man City All or nothing in 2018, You will see the reference to them and they showed where they sit to decide on who to buy based on the clubs finances. All Pep Klopp etc do is to suggest and the board has the final say too

All these are flimsy excuses to exonerate Cuntay from his prodigal spending. When a player is good, it's Cuntays idea, when a player flops he was forced on Cuntay. Isn't that very convenient?

Finishing above Juventus was what AC Milan Inter and Atalanta did last season. Cuntay didn't even top Sarris Juve, he waited until Juve got a coach who was in his first season ever. That was why in the CL he finished bottom of Shaktar and Mochengladbach

patrickmuf:
Was Conte fired?

If you have a contract extending beyond till sometime in the future and the club decides you need to stop today not because you have a job waiting o

You left Inter into unemployment. I am struggling to find a word to describe that

patrickmuf:
You want to jump on the word "Rookie"...In this context, I am placing Ole side by side with Pep and telling you he is of no match...

You used the word rookie to describe Ole that has a decade of managerial experience and you expect me not to refute it?

If Ole is a rookie then Pep is also a rookie, Tuchel is a rookie

patrickmuf:
Did he deliver the goods with the players he signed, yes or no?

That was why he was quickly fired and no one has touched him despite many clubs changing coaches

airmark:


The onus lies on you to prove it that Fraudiola didnt want Rodri, Jesus, Ederson, Walker, Stones, Mahrez and other players that City spent hugely on.

What is your proof that Pep wanted them? Like Cuntay did not want Bakayoko, Eriksen Barkley, Drinkwater, Morata Zapacosta Palmieri and every player that flopped, Pep also did not want anyone. He was forced to buy them all

izzou:
Sleekdot, I don't know why you just want to drag this. What Conte did was the best for Inter at that time.

You say that Inter spent 134 million on wages before Conte. To you, it's a waste. But you're forgetting that 134 Million was not available at the beginning of the season.

You support that he should have used the money for 4 Deadwoods to buy 2 young player that would have a reasonable resale value. I wonder the good player he would have bought with €5 million that would have the experience to contest the Serie A with Juventus.

As average as Tammy is, Roma wants to pay 34 million.

I have given you some players who were free and not in their mid 30s, Players are always available for cheap if you look well. Its insanity to be loading a team with geriatrics

You are a Man Utd fan, when Mourinho was trying to sign old players did you not protest despite that your team had more financial muscle to wither it

patrickmuf:
When we talk Juventus in Conte's case you say Pirlo is a rookie but no, in Manchester United's case, Ole is a top gun...

Rookie means someone who just started
This was Pirlos first job as a coach. Ole has been coaching for a decade just like Tuchel and Pirlo

In which career does someone with 10yrs experience consider himself a rookie.

patrickmuf:
Pep has outspent his rivals and that's a fact...Net spend...

Twisting yourself into a bind

In your defence you said rivals, I am not sure anyone considers Man Utd a rival anymore

Ibime:


Stop lying maliciously. Conte never wanted Erikssen and told the board that Erikssen doesn't fit into his formation. What consigns Conte with a player that can't play 3-4-3 or 3-5-2?

In order to be mischievous we start analyzing which players a coach wanted and which one he didn't want, Which of the player's Pep bought did he not want? Should we remove him also?

Let's put it this way, Of the almost 1billion players City signed, Pep did not want 800M of them, the board forced them on him

When it comes to Cuntay that is where we start hearing he didn't want Morata, He didn't want Bakayoko, He didn't want Zapacosta, He didn't want Barkley, He didn't want Drinkwater

It's only Cuntay they always force flops on

patrickmuf:
Kikiki...

Pep spends an average of 200m-250m every season...I guess it doesn't count for anything...

Pep has spent similar amounts with your team and with Chelsea since he got to England

airmark:


List those free and cheap players that were ready to join Inter but Conte ignored and would have done better than those Conte opted for.

Apari you are the one reasoning illogically here. Next time, wear a thinking cap that covers your baldness.

Every season there are always cheap players in the market that matches the profile of every club. Not loading the team with geriatrics which will bankrupt the club

How can a manager sign 20 players in 2 seasons when he is not insane. No wonder he is jobless

patrickmuf:
Bar United how many top clubs has Ole coached compared to Pep and Klopp?

Ole is a rookie...

When you do well, top teams will come get you.

So a 55yr old poor man will see 45yr old Cubana and call himself a rookie

How many top clubs did Pep have to coach before he succeeded

patrickmuf:
Ole is a rookie...

Liverpool lost their first team CBs...

Chelsea were well on their way to having a disastrous season before Tuchel happened...

City had it easy, way too easy...

Ole is 48 and a rookie
What do we call Pep at 50yrs and Tuchel at 47yrs?

Ole started managing at around the same time as Pep and Tuchel but Ole is the rookie

patrickmuf:
Ole is a rookie...

Liverpool lost their first team CBs...

Chelsea were well on their way to having a disastrous season before Tuchel happened...

City had it easy, way too easy...

Chelsea had it easy yet won the CL, Na only Liverpool lose players? City was playing Foden as striker for most of the season with their main striker injured

patrickmuf:
Interesting that you guys are trying to dig an escape route...

Okay, let's see the respective wage bills of the top EPL teams vis a vis the amount they have spent for a considerable period, 10 years should do.

Wage bill for last season 2020/21
Man city 137M Pounds
Chelsea 147M Pounds
Man Utd 185M Pounds

This is the link I am getting it from, go to the top or left ane and change the club

https://www.capology.com/club/chelsea/salaries/2020-2021/

I am not sure if they are accurate but at least it will be consistent for all clubs

If spp@mb0ot bans me I will strangulate you oo

patrickmuf:
Manchester United was pants too...

Liverpool also as was Chelsea before Tuchel...

man utd was pants but finished 2nd in the league over Chelsea, Liverpool 2 teams that won 2 of the past 3 CL

patrickmuf:
How many top teams are splashing the cash? Manchester City and Chelsea are backed by rich owners...

How much have Bayern, Milan, Dortmund and the likes (who are not backed by super rich owners) spent?

Cuntay lost to Dortmund in the CL, first thing he did was to give an interview of why he needs more money

Like he did with Chelsea, How many Chelsea fans are sad to see Bakayoko warming up in pre season or Drinkwater? How many clubs not on Chelsea level will do this

A40:
I will be watching Sane with side eye this season.

That guy dey fall hand seriously. He is costing us on and off the field

patrickmuf:
How much did Inter pay for Lukaku and Hakimi?

Isn't it obvious that the virus took a toll on the club’s finances? I read that the owners had to shut down most of their other businesses.

Was this virus in Inter Milan stadium alone? Before the virus, Cuntay has been whining about more money, The owners have been waiting for an opportunity to get rid of him before he bankrupts them

patrickmuf:
Now you talk about coach and not wages? Lol

If I bring up AC Milan, Atalanta, Lazio and the likes, you'll quickly switch to the wages of each team...

Anyone can beat last seasons Juventus, Porto did, Atalanta bested them, AC Milan did all with lesser wage bill. That Juventus of last season was pants

patrickmuf:
What then is a big deal? Winning the league with Manchester United coached by Ole or with Liverpool without their first team CBs for the greater part of the season or Chelsea that was having a terrible season before Tuchel came in and turned things around?

If Conte doesn't deserve any credit then Pep should be stoned for failing the win the league in February...

Should we open the wage bill of these clubs and compare them? Man Utd Chelsea City?

patrickmuf:
Are you saying Eriksen is a bad signing? When he was signed, did you come out to say his signing was a waste? What if they had waited until the summer and lost him to a top team?

Let me ask you, is Varane's signing a bad deal considering Manchester United would've gotten him for free next season?

See Chelsea and Haaland, they tried to sign him now even when they know they can get him for 75m next summer simply they know other top clubs will compete for his signature next summer.

Whether Eriksen is a good or bad signing is beside the point. A club like Inter cannot afford to buy a player who will be free in 6months for 17M, pay him top wages and the coach doesnt like him anymore

Man Utd Chelsea City can pay Varane 100M pay him 500k and sit him on the bench for life, they have the money

Obi Cubana can buy a 5M Toyota for 20M, then park it in his compound to rot away. Can I try that?

patrickmuf:
I don't understand, Conte won the EPL and with Inter, he won the Serie A against much fancied Juventus...

How much did Pep spend before he could win the EPL?

How did Conte spend to win the Serie A?

You guys are now looking at wages when in all honesty Inter's total wage doesn't compare to that of Juve who were the bookies favorite to win the league...You guys are clutching at straws.

Pep was competing against football clubs who can afford big wages like Man Utd Chelsea

Winning the league against that Juventus coached by Pirlo is not a big deal

That Juventus finished below Atalanta with 44M in wages and AC Milan with 84M in wages

patrickmuf:
Not every coach has the luxury of having backs ups that cost 50m or more, some have to make do with players at the twilight of their careers...

Then you make do with sensible signings not signing Vidal that every sensible club knows is way pastit or signing Eriksen for 17M with 6months left and sitting him on the bench

In a club like Chelsea he can get away with Drinkwater Bakayoko Zapacosta, Barkley Palmieri etc on the bench each costing a lot of money. Inter cannot afford that

Emmynator:

That 26M difference is why they won the league.
Why didn't you bring Juventus own? Or it doesn't suit your narrative abi.

I ask again, what did exactly did you expect from Conte? Could he have held Inter board buy their balls and demanded for non geriatric players? Or maybe win the league without any signings? What exactly was your expectations from a coach of a financially poor inter?

Juventus has deep pockets, So its foolish for Inter to compare themselves with Juventus
Should Frankfurt also decide to spend like Bayern?
Should Tottenham also decide to spend like City?

Emmynator:


What is the highest amount inter players earn on wages? There you will find your answer.

You that know how to run clubs out of debts, which player could have inter signed that were available last year, i am very interested in knowing.

Sgning Eriksen for 17M when he would have been free in 6months, now trashing him is not how a club like Inter will survive

Layvin Kurzawa, Thomas Munier are some

airmark:


Show us Messi's weekly pay and let's see if Inter will not be put on ebay before the season ends.

Then you buy what is in your size players like Depay or Muner that are not going to run the club bankrupt