abduljabbar4:
Why is Amaechi even wasting his time on these people. They are okay with Africans being slaves to the IMF and collecting loans that mostly ends in the pockets of white companies and corrupt politicians, but they have problems with low-interest, long-term loans from China. It's only an irresponsible government that will fail to repay such loans (given the time and interest rate of the deal).

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Some Cownu minions are not aware that China has canceled loans for African countries without giving stupid conditions like approval of gay marriage. Not only that, China has never endorsed a candidate in our country or tried to fforce us into going for destructive policies (SAP). They claim that they have never taken over a country, yet great African leaders like Ghaddafi are dead today for refusing to become puppets. Not only that, they have taken over Iraq and Ivory Coast while still fighting to seize Syria and Venezuela. They are always quick to mention Zambia (which failed to repay due to incompetence) , but they don't care about the plight of our neighbors in the hands of France who controls their economies and even funds terrorist groups to cause unrest in the region (of course, why should they care when France is an ally to USA their masters). They supported USA's evil agender against our own Akinwumi Adesina just because they hate everything that sounds like Yoruba and Nigeria but thank God, they have failed.


But then, even their leader called them pigs and idiots so no surprises here. If majority of African countries prefer to go for "evil" Chinese loans over Angel World Bank, then there must be a reason. Even their master (America) owes China over a trillion dollars



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China has never threatened us with sanctions for refusing to accept their deals unlike their masters. Ask Angola or Rwanda about what they faced for choosing to grow their local industries (textile I think)

China has never colonized nor sabotaged our industries but it's the Chinese that are bad.
I see that Nigerians are sinophobic and are very ignorant, hating on the Chinese for no good reason, they act like the west ever cared for us.

MacPython:


I'm laughing �� in Greek for you. I actually live in China now as I type with, just keep your ignorance to yourself. He who no go, no go no how far.

Cheers

So you're the only Nigerian living in China?
How come I don't hear all these complaints from my friends who stay there or who schooled there, or their opinions doesn't count?

MacPython:


At least you have acknowledged the west, I didn't say the Chinese are not trying. So why is Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, twitter banned in China? Mr Tiktok advocate.

Mr. Logic man go an rest, learn and research. You don't have a stand or core values for your principles, you sprouting talking point as facts.

Cheers

OK I'll tell you why, since you never asked.

Twitter was used by western powers to whip up protests against the Chinese leadership, and for a party who's busy looking for ways to lift it's people out of poverty, political instability as seen in Libya and Iraq is not a welcome idea.
So yes it's good they banned it if it will preserve their political climate.
So if you're angry that the Chinese government value the welfare of their people than freedom, then sorry o, no apologies.
It is that freedom that we have in Nigeria, how has it helped us.
Meanwhile I see you bringing tiktok into this, what's my own, you can hold unto your beliefs without trying to downgrade mine.

And you too should go and learn and research, atleast I've countered your points.
I'm yet to see you accuse the Chinese government of anything the western hypocrites have not done, just call one thing China has done and let me point you to where your western powers have done worse.

MacPython:


I hope you watched Ag. Barr testimony with the Congress, the police was sent to protect the federal building and arrest will be made for a violation. So law shouldn't be enforced again?

I'm on the side of law, no double standard here, clearly it's you who has one.

Kindly read what you wrote and my responses.

Cheers

OK o, if you don't agree, it's fine.
While the Chinese too are not so perfect in their ways atleast they're less evil minded than the west, you agree or not, it's fine.

MacPython:


Mate �, you can argue all you want, I never said the west was a saint but I acknowledged that their good is better than their evil. Hope you saw recent clause on China backed infrastructure.
https://www.nairaland.com/6022276/finally-nigeria-been-sold-china

At least the west is transparent than them.
Nigerians are full of Hypocriste, the old cure to that is rise above mediocrity.

I hope you still remember where our argument started, you keep deflecting from one topic to another.

You don't need to stop using the social media, I just wanted to recognise that the people you have contempt for, are same that are giving you the voice or platform to fight our government. You can't do same on a Chinese social platform.

And again I've read the clause on the default in loan repayment, and I've read alot of clauses on defaulting on Chinese loans within Africa, while I have no comment on this, I feel some are over exaggerated.
The Chinese has constantly waved away loans being owed by African countries, we should face our government and question why they would collect loans and won't pay up.
Just put facts into context and have perspective . It helps

Cheers

I bet you know alot of electronics and household appliances you use come from China, I'm sure you have atleast some Chinese products in your home, you can as well stop using them, since we're going by your logic.

Besides a Chinese owns tiktok which is widely used in the west, but tiktok have consistently denied being a tool of the Chinese government but western powers will never agree.

So there alot of apps we use that are Chinese made too, the west doesn't have monopoly have knowledge as they always claim to show

MacPython:


You like to deflect, and keep moving goal post, very funny. You claimed they used theft to grow their economies really? Where is facts- our government had been stealing form us have they grown ours? Chinese steals IP from the west, if they were innocent why did they agreed to the US trade deal? Your logic is flawed, all is riden by emotions and it won't get you anywhere.

I have lived in East, keep you self loathing and righteousness to yourself.

On the killings, how kids, especially girls died during the Chinese one child policy? Do you know most of families and children are still excluded till date due to having extra kid or they where the extra kid.

I still choose freedom over � anything, if you hate the west, stop using Google, Facebook, uninstall your windows or Mac, funny enough the Chinese are using these products and wants more.

So because of you I should now disable my social media?

What's the difference between those people deflecting corruption in the Niger delta and what you just said.
Because some people feel the north is taking more from their oil resources that's why they'll shift the nddc corruption aside
It's the same thing as saying because our government is stealing from us, we should now keep quiet when we talk about the theft of our natural resources from the west?

If you don't know how the west became so powerful and rich I expect you to read instead of coming to unnecessarily argue about it.

MacPython:
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Hongkong protest isn't influenced by the west, it's you are catching the news now, they have been protesting since 2014; do more research on Hongkong avoid using mainstream narrative or Chinese stations you see go clear. YouTube (West) can educate you.

Abeg let me hear word about BLM, the police didn't do anything to the looters and rioters, so watch your television proper, so safe guarding a property from destruction is bad right?

You have actually brought up your disdain for West, becos of Trump.

I think you have been indoctrinated.

Cheers mate �, it was fun

What indoctrination, please, if anyone has been indoctrinated it's you.
I actually prefer Trump to his former predecessors, he's yet to start a war against any country unlike his predecessors.
I used his actions as an example, if you can't look at the instances I give and you prefer asserting your ideas on emotions, then no need pushing forward my narrative.

What I simply said is, they can't be busy accusing Beijing of trying to exert control on HongKong when during the months of protest, Beijing never took any action even though they have an army garrison in HongKong.
But it didn't take Trump days before he sent the national guard to quell the protests and rioting.

So I don't understand, if both protests involved destruction of infrastructure and rioting, why is one labelled a riot by Trump and the other one labelled freedom fighting?

If you don't see the double standards then you're clearly the one that's indoctrinated.

MacPython:


Hello mate, you can choose where your heart lies but the delusions will come off when you taste their real intentions. Our people sold our art to them, probably a give away price and we are angry they are making millions from it. You probably are saying this out of anger, resentment or envy towards the west.

The internet you enjoy now, polio vaccination and current covid vaccine they made and are still making breakthrough. The west might be on decline due too much energy focused of sociopolitical problem rather than socioeconomic problem which can be solved through science without politics.

I wish I can say more on this public forum, but where I'm it's risky for me, however appreciate what the west has done for the world in less 100 yrs, computers, telephone, foods , u name it, they are not perfect. I still prefer the devil � I know than the � angel I know not. Don't be naive .

Make more research, what's Currently happening in Hongkong is example of how their behaviour is, relate it 1989 when there is no social media and ready internet as now. It will a be propaganda.

Cheers

And again, I'm sorry that I can't join you in siding with people who used wars and theft to grow their economy and become superpowers, except you want to justify stealing, let them return all they stole.
I'm sure the Congolese people who were punished for not meeting up to the demands of a Belgian king would love to hear from you on how the west has helped them too.

MacPython:


Hello mate, you can choose where your heart lies but the delusions will come off when you taste their real intentions. Our people sold our art to them, probably a give away price and we are angry they are making millions from it. You probably are saying this out of anger, resentment or envy towards the west.

The internet you enjoy now, polio vaccination and current covid vaccine they made and are still making breakthrough. The west might be on decline due too much energy focused of sociopolitical problem rather than socioeconomic problem which can be solved through science without politics.

I wish I can say more on this public forum, but where I'm it's risky for me, however appreciate what the west has done for the world in less 100 yrs, computers, telephone, foods , u name it, they are not perfect. I still prefer the devil � I know than the � angel I know not. Don't be naive .

Make more research, what's Currently happening in Hongkong is example of how their behaviour is, relate it 1989 when there is no social media and ready internet as now. It will a be propaganda.

Cheers

What's happening in HongKong is the west trying to interfere in China's business. No matter how you try to put it or try to paint the west as good people and the Chinese as bad people, let them keep their hands off HongKong.

All through the protests, the Chinese government didn't lift a finger, compare that with Trump's reaction to the black lives matter protest.
There's no way you try to put it.
That HongKong protest was externally influenced.

temmypotter:
This is why China may never clinch World Capital Status.. This is extreme!

Let's not allow our hatred for Nigerian politicians cloud our judgement, a Government that executes politicians for corruption is not stable.. trust me.. as much as it is made to seem like it's a rule set in stone and no one is exempted, there will be certain people in power who can easily subvert this law for nefarious purposes like eliminating political rivals and what not.

The United States has so many Isis and Al -Qaeda tourists captured who have killed thousands, these folks deserve straight up death if you ask me. But the US is a country that at least tries to hold true to liberality and fairness for all , this is more than I can say for the likes of China and Russia

You just sit in your own comfort criticising what you don't understand.
Do you think they have time for nonsense.
Do you know how many people have lost jobs and means of living a better life because of corruption.
China is not America, there's no where they said China must copy America.
Countries execute criminals who carry drugs, because they understand the severity of the crime, so corruption is also deserving of such actions.
People have lost their lives because of government corruption, you see a government acting and you began comparing them to America.

temmypotter:
This is why China may never clinch World Capital Status.. This is extreme!

Let's not allow our hatred for Nigerian politicians cloud our judgement, a Government that executes politicians for corruption is not stable.. trust me.. as much as it is made to seem like it's a rule set in stone and no one is exempted, there will be certain people in power who can easily subvert this law for nefarious purposes like eliminating political rivals and what not.

The United States has so many Isis and Al -Qaeda tourists captured who have killed thousands, these folks deserve straight up death if you ask me. But the US is a country that at least tries to hold true to liberality and fairness for all , this is more than I can say for the likes of China and Russia

You just sit in your own comfort criticising what you don't understand.
Do you think they have time for nonsense.
Do you know how many people have lost jobs and means of living a better life because of corruption.
China is not America, there's no where they said China must copy America.
Countries execute criminals who carry drugs, because they understand the severity of the crime, so corruption is also deserving of such actions.
People have lost their lives because of government corruption, you see a government acting and you began comparing them to America.

Heathrow44:



Yes they've bullied and don't u think China would be anything different if not worse!

Nah I don't think so.
China doesn't interfere in another country's politics, except if you have any information to the contrary, they simply don't.

And alot of attacks they've been receiving from the west are based on unfounded lies.

Amongst the US and the west, China is still a saint, they didn't steal another country's wealth to become a superpower, can't say same for the west.

MacPython:


The sanction place on Chinese by the US is because of their malpractice and denial of clear issues they started, so China cannot lose face to their people that is why they always grandstand everything especially if you are not strong.

You can call it a favour,but isn't my words, factors that attracts FDI includes political stability - China started to open up to the after the Tiananmen Square massacre, the got better in handling international influence and play the west.

The west business venture in China wasn't strictly on business but also to influence the culture to be Democratic, yes they assisted them to industrialised, but started to buy the west as well which has irked some western people.

Our system is similar to the west, they can't place those sanction on us as u think.

Innovation doesn't come from group thinking, so your empirical analysis of their innovative isn't sustainable. If you don't like the US it is okay, I totally understand your frustrations. I don't dislike the Chinese either, I love the freedom that allows individuals to innovate, isn't possible in China. Don't get emotional for them because they don't care or will like to care, they play the money game without moral.

Cheers mate �

I still don't know why you think the Chinese are not innovative, they're leading in global innovation only second to US, does it mean they copied everything?
The US and the west had better economies before China and contributed in stealing from China too, remember the opium war. So to me I wonder why these countries after stealing as they like from China in the past are now complaining of intellectual property theft.

Our art works and sculptures are in the museums of the west and they're yet to return them but are busy accusing another country of stealing, I know who the real thieves are.

And don't think they can't place sanctions on us, try threatening their influence then see how they treat you. Just because of their interest in Africa they were plotting to remove Adeshina even after he has been cleared, how's that following due process, they just want to bully their way through everything.

And I don't know why you say the Chinese are not given freedom for innovation, try checking them out you'll understand.


And as for Tiananmen square massacre, I've never seen a very twisted and one sided story as what on happened on Tiananmen.
The only picture the west always shows us is a civilian standing in front of a tank, where are the other pictures?
They were international journalists there and they couldn't capture the soldiers that were burnt alive by the civilians.
You guys should be mindful of what you read from the western media, they're yet to show us the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein had.