I think Emaachile is just trying to help the guy to advertise his products not knkwing he's a scam.Emaachile can't be a scam coz in one of his thread on broiler farming someone made mention of going to his farm and he(Emaachile) even showed us almost daily pictures of his birds.
This is a huge loss to NL's agric section

I tried going through oga emaachile's thread some days ago and was unable to,not knowing his account has been deactivated.
I learnt all I knew about poultry today from him,neologee,turks and jidestroud buh it saddens my heart that a rare gem that attended to almost all question about poultry on his thread has been chased out of Nairaland by the so called mods.

You said it all@op
I wasn't surprised though coz we can face Bayern and win with a toothless attack,an indecisive midfield and a shambolic defence buh the shock was the scoreline.
I really wish Messi seff can be benched in matches

Hello my Boss in the house
I'll like to ask some questions
I i was opportuned to see my grandma cockerel eating maggot even when feed was made available.my questions are
1.is it possible to rear chicken using maggots only with No feed
2.can we mix broiler feed with maggot if yes in what ratio

please how do i get to ejigbo from Ikorodu

[quote author=sodeeqsulaimon88 post=91894900]is this what the Fulani Ecotype looks like??

is this what the Fulani Ecotype looks like??

mojid22000:
I love this thread
I actually made a kerosene lantern incubator using cartons out of curiousity
One hen abandoned her eggs so I was really curious if I could hatch the eggs after reading about the kero incubator
To God be the glory I hatched 2 eggs out of 4.
One egg got spoilt and maybe i was too excited not to candle the other egg well. When disposing it it had a dead chick in it
Though I love the experiene and will incubate again in the future
My two chicks hatched on the 19th day, I think most local hens do that cos of the small size of the eggs cos my broody hen hatched all nine eggs on 19th day too
Though she didn't get up much cos I had food and water by her side
My incubator chicks are 3 day old now

can you please share how the kero incubator was made

jidestroud:
@Excel70

All hens lay eggs irrespective of mating or not, whether there is a rooster or not, whether local or crossbreeds or poultry birds. Mating only has to do with fertility of the eggs. Even layers will lay eggs whether you give them layer mash or not. Likewise, turkeys, Guinea fowls, ducks etc.

Yes, boiled local eggs are sweeter . Maybe it's just me anyways, there's a whole lot difference in taste. I rarely eat poultry eggs again.

On eating fertile eggs, well, I guess it boils down to your person. Just make sure the eggs are still fresh and well preserved so you don't end up breaking one with the embryo already forming. I supposed that's the only irritating side to it. So, once I get my freshly lay fertile eggs, I simply preserve it in the fridge to slow down the process and eat in no distant day. Verrrrrrrry sweeeeeet chai...

Oga jide kindly share how the home made incubator was done...As we'll need an incubator in which only few of us can purchase the ready made

NativeChicken:
Good day All. Its given we all agree that our local chicken breed can be commercialized for good profit.
Its also given that we can improve their meat & egg production capacity by crossing them with other breeds like Noiler, Layer, Fulani etc for improved efficiency.
What with now need to discuss , i believe are 3 major factors that will enhance productivity and profit :-
1. How do we handle Health - Vaccination & Antibiotic treatment??
2. What are the standard management processes we need to employ?
3. How do we cut down feed cost without inhibiting production??

These are some salient issues we need to address for our local chicken business to thrive

We dey follow you bumper to bumper

@jidestroud Boss i follow you reach here kindly share how the incubator was made with us

kindly share pictures of the fulani chicken and is it different from female native chicken
how do we identify it when we see it??
someone said we shouldn't buy chicken from the market is there any other place we can get this fulani chicken??
can we formulate feed for them if yes is it grower,starter or finisher??
maize offal is easy to get here wah can i mix with it to get that % of crude protein

kindly share pictures of the fulani chicken and is it different from female native chicken.
After laying how do we make the egg Ok for consumption

Redman44:


Yes, you can check Sabo at Ikorodu. Mile 12 Market @ Ketu should not be too far from you.

I guess Agege will be surest ticket.....Sir will i get a mature noiler there also

Redman44:



Check Agege Market, Mile 12 Market ( Ketu ) or any open Market with a significant number of Hausa-Fulani Nigerians selling foodstuff there. Ask the Mallam traders for their hen and cockerels. They will direct you to where to get them. I am sure you will find what you want at Agege Market. Cheers.

Thank you sir buh I live around Ikorodu
is it possible for me to get at sabo

Where can we get the fulani hen and which distinctive attribute do they have so as to recognise them when we see them in the market.

Farouq94:


Lol yes the local roosters enjoy a good chase. But most time the hens are willing to mate with the rooster. Because a broiler is not as rugged, if you lock them in a cage they will surely mate.

Broiler breeders are the parent stock of DOC broilers. They are a male and female grown broilers that will mate and lay eggs. So when those eggs hatch, you rear them as meat birds.

What are the measures to be taken when swapping the eggs so as not to make it unhatchable.

which crossing will you Advice
meat wisely and Egg laying

Farouq94:


Generally chickens mature sexually at age 5-6 months. Though I have had some female noiler start laying even before 5 month. When they are sexually mature, the roosters will start mating with the hens, its a natural process.

Have you tried going to local markets and asking for noilers? You might be able to get. Some people call them “merger” in the markets. Or contact people that rear chickens at home.

3. Depends on how large the chicken is. An experienced chicken that is big can incubate as much as 15 chicken eggs. Thats the maximum I’d advice you to put. If the eggs are too much, you’ll notice that the chicken will not be able to cover all of them, in that case you remove some. Usually, an average local hen should be able to incubate 12 chicken eggs.

Thank you so much Boss I'm learning a lot from you.

NativeChicken:


Unfortunately i do not. Getting them in Abuja is a prob. I tried once, but couldnt get a supplier.

@SodeeqSulaiman.. Every bird can b reared in a cage system as long as u give it adequate feed & management.

As per your fertile eggs, u can either take it to a commercial hatchery to hatch at a price or u employ the services of ur local hen. Just replace her eggs with ur fertile eggs.

Every offspring inherits its genes from six(6) possible donors. The father, the mother and the four grand parents. Ur Noiler × Isa brown cross offspring will do same. There will be variation in the traits each offspring will inherit. But, most times u will get an improvement.

Thanks for the reply sir
I'm learning new things from you and Boss farouq.

I think for beginners that want to learn cross breeding we should use local chicken and any other breed coz of hatching and brooding till we learn more




@farouq Naturally the local chickens are literally Ajepako and Broilers are Ajebutter,mere looking at the way the local rooster will run after them before mating can broilers do the same.As in can broilers mate with local chicken




I saw something on fb today a reputable doc dealer posted broiler breeders for sale.
can you please explain the meaning

Farouq94:


If you don’t want to use an incubator to hatch for a start, you can get a couple of local chickens, once they lay and start to go broody, take away their eggs and put the eggs you want them to hatch. Most people hatch guinea fowls using local chickens. And Yes, its actually best to rear the chicks in a cage for at least 6-8 weeks, before you finally let them out to free-range. Just make sure they are getting enough heat for the first 10-14 days. That way they full strong and less susceptible to predators, diseases etc...

I like your questions.

So once you start cross-breeding, the offsprings you’ll have will definitely have mixed results. If you’re crossing Isa brown with a noiler, some chicks will be more like noilers, some will be more like the isa brown.

This is where selective breeding comes in. You choose the ones you want out of the chicks, the ones with the best traits, and continue breeding them till you’re satisfied with the result.

For example, the chick below is a cross between a noiler cock and my brahma cross (75% local chicken). At week one you can see how thick the legs are and how big it is, at week two it was weighing 147grams (which is big for a local chicken), and see how the feathers have quickly formed. Now the other chicks that hatched were not all like this, there were small ones that looked like pure local chicks, despite being crosses with a noiler.

The goal is to select the best performers like this chick and continue breeding them, while disposing the ones with low performance.

Thanks for the answers Boss
@ what week does the following matures for mating
female noiler
male noiler
male cockerel
isa brown
local hen ??



2.how do we know if a local chicken is matured for mating?
I'm thinking of buying a carton of doc noiler since there's no way I can get a matured Noiler or if there's a place i can get kindly notify me
3.Lets assume a local chicken laid like 7 eggs can't we add the fertile egg of another breed to it or its a must we exchange the eggs

kudos to you@Nativechicken and Farouq
like you said that a matured rooster to 10 chicken if i may ask,Genetically will the offspring be more of a Noiler rooster or otherwise
if a Rooster mates with an Isa brown layer and lays egg how do we hatch the chick without using an Incubator
Can we rear these offspring in a caged area as in not letting them go on free range??

Farouq94:
Cattle Kraal System of Raising Chickens

Part of the reason why the fulani chickens are the biggest breed of local chickens in Nigeria is because of the large SFRB available to them and their access to maggots and termites present in cattle dung.

So there is a symbiotic relationship between chickens and other livestock.

The Fulani pastoralists are known for moving from moving from places and so every time, these chickens have access to a new area to scavenge on. Most of the fulanis do not give supplemental feed to their chickens, the ones that do give their chickens a handful of millet or sorghum.

The SFRB is a concept that can be replicated in the farm setting. If implemented correctly, it can immensely reduce the high cost of feeding. Look around your environment and see what you can capitalize on. SFRB is dependent on environment and season.

During the dry season, the SFRB around my farm is very poor because everywhere is dry and hot, but my chickens still go out to scanvenge for termites and leftover paddy rice in nearby fields. My location is notoriously known for wood-eating termites, and the chickens love them.

I have been trying to find cheap alternatives to protein, and for a long time I have been studying the black soldier fly. The fact that the fly is not known to my locality means more resources and care is needed, which will make the whole endeavor more costly, and not worth it.

Fortunately enough, I have just recently stumbled on a paper that showed how a local farmer utilizes a clay pot and some wood to create the perfect home for these wood-eating termites, and after a while he will harvest them and feed them to his chickens.

I’ll be replicating something like that and see the outcome. If it produces satisfactory results, it will go a long way towards reducing my feed bill.

The pictures below show a typical fulani settlement, and you can see the chickens free ranging around the environment.

If a cockerel mates with an Isa brown layers and they lay fertile eggs will the offspring lay eggs
how do we know if an egg is fertile

Farouq94:


@Nativechicken has pretty much given you the basics. If you’re raising noilers, choose the biggest noiler rooster with the best physical traits. After 6 months thr cock will be ready to start mating, then get like 5 local chickens (maximum of 10) and keep them together.

Remember somethings you can only learn by doing. You can get one noiler and 2 local chicken to start and learn as you go. If you have any questions you can always ask here, there are a lot of people willing to help.

Thank you so much
can we crossbreed broilers

NativeChicken:
As per feed cost, its actually a big challenge so i will advise you get us a list of all agro waste materials in ur area & their prices. Am sure i can assist if u get me this list. Look out for things like
Cassava peel, pap chaff, rice bran, arbattoir waste(blood, meat, fish waste), fruit & vegetable waste etc. I semi- free range my birds too to cut feed cost.
You can also grow Azolla & Duckweed and snails. You can plant a food forest, u can compost etc.
Furthermore, i believe Poultry is a game of numbers. The more u can keep, the better d profit.
Let me post a pix of my semi- free range pen.

@ Nativechicken can you please tell us the names of these things in Yoruba if possible and if a noiler is cross bred with a native chicken what are the characteristics of the chick as in size,resistance to disease,ability to lay egg and so

Farouq94:
Scavenging Feed Resource Base (SFRB)

Because of the long time to maturity and the comparatively low prices of local chickens, it is of immense economic benefit to allow these chickens to free-range for their feed. To achieve maximum efficiency, supplemental feeding should be done in the morning, before they are allowed to free-range and later in the afternoon.

SFRB is basically the total amount food resources available in the environment that the chickens can use as feed.

Local chickens are very intelligent scavengers, they scavenge for insects to bulk up on protein, grits to help in digestion, grasses for vitamins, weed/grain seeds for fibre/energy and so on.

If you’re looking to raise chickens domestically, look at the volume of kitchen waste (in the form of leftover food) you produce, the expanse of the area in your backyard. How many chickens can they support?

If you’re raising chickens at farm level, look at your surroundings. Are there a lot of trees/shrubs/grasses in the area? Remember the presence of trees has a ripple effect on the environment. Leaves fall and decay, the soil becomes rich and a breeding ground for biota, which chickens feed on. Compost is another way to feed chickens. Chickens are excellent ‘composters’, they turn the pile and eat what they can.

@ farouq if i want to cross breed how do i go about it??
how do i know a matured noiler that will mate with a local chicken??
can i raise noilers first then after maturity pair them with a local cock and chicken??
I'll be happy if you can teach us from start
pardon my manners you and jidestroud are really a rare gem.... wish I can be close to you guys to learn this things practically...thumbs up guys

EMMAACHILE:

Get embazin forte

Boss Emma please I witheld 2 of my 8weeks birds after sales
i noticed the meat is soft is there anyway to toughen their meat a little

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