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Subzero047:
I am not faceless, in my living room accusing an ex player who chose to speak up of 'cowardice'

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Joebie:
Are you now playing the role of the investigator? Don’t we have authorities saddled with that responsibility? Shouldn’t the NFF be troubled about these interviews? Use your finger energy to tell the NFF and sports ministry to investigate, not criticizing players that are speaking out.

This is exactly what I have tried to point out put together by the two assistance to keshi in 2014


Keshi’s assistant Shorunmu reacts to Obasi and Taiwo’s bribery allegations

Gbenga Adewoye
Goal Nigeria Writer
16:31 BST 12/05/2020


The 52-year-old feels the former Super Eagles players waited too long before coming out with their allegations
Stephen Keshi’s assistant Ike Shorunmu has blast Chinedu Obasi and Taye Taiwo for their recent bribery claims.


Former Schalke 04 striker Obasi claimed he was denied a spot in Keshi’s list to the 2014 World Cup in Brazil because he refused to pay a bribe.
The forward, who made 26 appearances during his time with the three-time African champions, was one of the stand-out performers for the Super Eagles at the 2010 global tournament in South Africa .

He explained how his dream of playing in his second World Cup was shattered despite his fine performances in the Bundesliga during the 2013-14 season.

Shorunmu was the Super Eagles goalkeeper coach when Keshi was the manager of the West Africans and has lashed out at the 33-year-old for bringing up the case after the death of the chief coach.

“From 2014 to now, that’s six years, does it mean that Obasi is not in this world?” the former Besiktas shot-stopper told Goal.

“Before Keshi passed on why can’t he come out to say something about this? Why now six years after, I don’t understand. It doesn’t make sense.


“If something like that happened the player supposed to come out at that period when the person involved is still on the ground and they can investigate the matter maybe he collected a bribe or not.

“Now the person involved has died. Who do you want to investigate is it the player or the late coach?
“We don’t need to deliberate on this, let’s go for something positive that can move our football forward not this Obasi stuff. “

Former Super Eagles left-back Taye Taiwo also made similar bribery claims lately explaining he was forced to leave the national team
because of ‘Keshi’s dirty deals. ’

Shorunmu, however, feels the defender waited too long before bringing up the case, suggesting he could have made the comment because he was not involved in the team.

“Why can’t he come out at that time too? When some players are saying something like this they don’t think of the past or the future,” he continued.

“We too have played under several coaches and we have coached several players as well. Saying that he left the camp because of Keshi what was the problem he had with Keshi? He should be specific and state it.

“What is the dirty deal is he talking about. Does it mean because he was not in the team then the coach is dirty?”

Keshi’s other assistants Daniel Amokachi and Valere Houdonou have also reacted to Obasi’s allegation with the former Everton forward taking a similar position with Shorunmu.
“Why come forward with such now when the man in charge is no longer alive to answer it?” Amokachi said.

“Even look at it, this happened in 2014 and six years after you are coming forward with such claims? Why wait until now? It doesn’t make sense to bring such an issue when the head is no longer alive to respond to you?

“I am not saying such things don’t happen. Up until tomorrow, this thing does happen in African football but for us to have a change, when such happens, come forward with such. Be the sacrifice so as to prevent others from going through the experience.”

Shorunmu had 36 caps for the Super Eagles and was in goal in Nigeria's opening two games at the 2002 World Cup.

Danielnino00:
Elyte89 once claimed that he knew Taiye Taiwo....that the guy had a twin brother..
That he used to hawk pepper in his area...

That's why I used the word "twin brother" .

Inknow that Taiwo has debunked the allegations several times,but I need confirmation from somebody that claims to know him

Alright!

Subzero047:
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Just shut up, this is not a reality show where names are thrown about, if you don't have anything positive to say about the revelations just shut up!

I thought you already grew up

my bad

Subzero047:
You know nothing if you refer to those who put their reputations on the line to reveal corruption in the Nigerian football system as cowards

You are not even brave enough to use your real picture in your profile

let me ask you a simple question :

can you arrest anyone right now with that interview he granted? do you know the meaning of exposing corruption?

why should I put my picture on an anonymous forum? is that a requirement for joining the forum?

Danielnino00:
Read what I posted na..
The person I'm asking the question knows what I'm talking about...

was helping you correct the gender in your question

Joebie:
Are you now playing the role of the investigator? Don’t we have authorities saddled with that responsibility? Shouldn’t the NFF be troubled about these interviews? Use your finger energy to tell the NFF and sports ministry to investigate, not criticizing players that are speaking out.

Do you know what speaking out means?
what happened to him speaking out between 2010 to 2014 which is about 6 years ago?

if he was hiding the culprits identities 6 to 10 years ago while granting this kind of interview, we would have understood, of what use is hiding their names again years after?

makes no sense, except if these culprits are still in position of power, he's nothing but a coward!

Danielnino00:
Elyte89, come o .. shebi u once said u knew Taiye Taiwo quite well...that he used to hawk pepper around ur area...

Na true say he get twin brother ?

He denied it again in his recent interview...

twin sister, not twin brother

they said they lived around Egbeda then

andrewbaba44:
I don talk my own

Many of you are just finding way to defend your local coaches

The facts still remain that your local coaches do collect bribe to invite some players

You people should keep looking for excuse by asking them to mention names

many of us wants solution and not rumors and noise

we want valid revelation that can be used to punish corrupt people

I have not defended any coach, I have only said we can't use assumptions to nail anyone, its unwise and not enough to call someone as guilty!

I'm being logical here

tbaba1234:
Emenike : “What chinedu said, he didn’t just wake up to say this. He has been having this thing in his mind he needs to take it out and if I see any ex-footballer that attacks Chinedu, I will attack the person back because he is saying the truth”.

Emenike adds his voice: Obasi is saying the truth

but has anyone said he lied?

andrewbaba44:
Taiwo and obasi are not cowards .

they are what problems has their interview solved or unearthed

Subzero047:
That's the price for revealing corruption in Nigeria and some misguided folks are telling him to call names

he actually revealed nothing because what he said is a public knowledge!

its like saying lecturers ask for sex for grade!

andrewbaba44:
The taiwo statement and obasi statement was all about asking them to pay money before they can play for the national team bros

So that equals to bribery bros ok

Both taiwo and obasi bros

Taiwo didn't say anyone asked him for money or did you read something different?

andrewbaba44:
He knows they won’t mention names
He should stop asking

then they should all shut up if they won't mention names
bunch of cowards

andrewbaba44:
You see

Emenike said obasi is saying the truth

because Emenike no pay bribe to play for eagles no mean say dem no ask of bribe from others players

No be that one wey elderson Dey yarn

have an opened mind, without that you can never make right decisions without having a distorted view of situations

Elderson didn't say they are lying, he just asked them to name names so that wrong people won't be accused blindly like some have already done!

andrewbaba44:
They won’t mention names

And I don’t think they have issues with amodu,am not sure if amodu is corrupt

you are not sure, yet he was the one the nfa always called on when in jeopardy

so you believe amodu is not corrupt but keshi is even though both worked together as oga and assistant?

andrewbaba44:
Dem no ask money from you no mean say dem no go ask money from others

Elderson try get sense small

Taiwo and co wont call names , do you expect them to disrespect keshi when he is late? something they could not do when he was alive

none of them mentioned amodu or keshi, hence the reason Elderson wants them to mention names of those involved!

https://www.goal.
com/en/news/keshis-assistant-shorunmu-reacts-to-obasi-and-taiwos-bribery/1u99awngf4h2i169yk9g89ga16

Ike Shorunmu


Bribery: Echiejile Challenges Ex-eagles To Mention Names

They should call out those who asked for bribes. As for me, I played under the late Amodu Shuaibu and Stephen Keshi and there was no time they asked for money from me to be included in the team... https:///2020/05/13/bribery-echiejile-challenges-ex-eagles-to-mention-names/

Elderson Echiejile

see distance!

nelszx:
"He told ESPN he pays his three assistants (who are not on the payroll of the NFF) from the money; thus, refuting claims he is being heavily paid by the Federation compared to his predecessors.

He said,”For me, it is a little bit special because, as you know, with my salary, we are four people. It is not only me. I have my three assistants, Tunde Adelakun, Nabil Trabelsi and also Jean Luc Royer. I can speak in the name of my assistants because we are in touch all the time."

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/sports/football/390869-coronavirus-super-eagles-coach-donates-percentage-of-three-month-salary.html

the radio interview I listened to on Brila was where he mentioned both the french and Nigerian guys on being on his payroll

even at that, 50k usd is about 19 million naira, not a small money to be earned monthly

he can't pay all his assistance more than half of that amount though

nelszx:
Tunde Adelakun - Chief Scout Nabil Trabelsi - Video analyst Jean Luc Royer - Fitness coach
All not on the payroll of the NFF

he actually pays two and not three from his salary

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tbaba1234:
I mean some players offer coaches money

very true, thought you meant from those who spoke out

Nodogragra4me:
Thank you ., Thankfully you have learnt that Abraham did Not become rich because of isaac.
Go and read Genesis and learn the events and sequence as they happened .., you just read a doctrinal books and insisting on it as they idol to be followed ..

Go and tell that your author that Abraham was irch before Isaac and he practiced altar life without a priest

God bless you

apart from the thank you from you, the rest are not worth my response since they are irrelevant to salvation as you have agreed to

Nodogragra4me:
No. You believe in the finished work of Christ... Tithe is not a God to be believed ... It is a practice driven by zeal to expand God's kingdom through prosperity of the church ... Zachariah 1:17 .. it is about Matt 6:33


No. Acceptance of the finished work of Christ on the cross is your only guarantee for making heaven ... John 3:16




The only assumption you have made went wide off the mark of available evidence of who God is .... That Abraham meeting with Melchizedek was an accidental happenstance not ordained by heaven even when genuine Christian knows that everything first gets to haapen in the heavenly realm controlled by God before it physical occurrence


You don't even know that Abraham riches came way before Isaac ever showed up in his life and you are a doctor of the scripture
I stated that Abraham was a man of altar and the scripture has the record .... He raised altar before he became rich and went back to altar after he became rich ...what was he doing when he went to the altars he built without God commanding him to do so

Why did Melchizedek show up before those king's ambushed him for their properties? Did he go to his altar after his meeting with Melchizedek to thank God again ? Why didn't he go? Was the victory against trained army with bloody civilians not worth thanking God for ?
Why and how did he arrive at ten percent if he wasn't a practice for every new Victory in his life?

Juxtaposition of my assumption against the written word and your own assumption will prove who knows what is written in the scripture



You ask why tithe was not taught and I stated that Jesus Christ already took a stand on it and it was an existing practice that they were more zealosu about than mater of justice and mercy and faithfulness in their dealings with one another
I stated that our tithe is in the order that Abraham did four hundred years before it became a law ... We don't pay to Levites ...we pay so that there may be meat in God's house like Malachi the propeht told the children of Israel ... He was a propeht not a Levite but he was the one hollering it


The writer of Hebrew says it is received by men who will die but it records are with the ultimate Melchizedek who lives forever .

Did Jesus Christ give offering


Name one church or preacher that preaches tithe every week, month or year that you know of with evidence ...


Compare yours to mine and then pass it to your senior spiritual leaders

so, since the tithe issue won't stop anyone from making heaven, then its of no importance to salvation race

have a nice day!

tbaba1234:
Some of them are the ones offering coaches money

you mean from those that spoke out already?

tbaba1234:
Law Enforcement will have a case if they get players affected to testify. There have been many players involved in this. If you get 3-5 to testify, you have a strong case.

There would also be bank transfer records in some cases.

Many players will not want to go that route, it draws attention to them. Even Obasi is getting pressured and he mentioned no names.

then they should come together and follow your advise if they want this rubbish to stop!

Will not paying your own version of tithe make you an unbeliever?
Will it stop you from making heaven?
Answer these 2 questions since it seems you are just throwing assumptions everywhere.

Nodogragra4me:
Only you can explain why the one Abraham did with the High priest doesn't qualifies as tithe even though some of the oldest Bible's written out of the original manuscript still in circulation expressly used the word tithe to describe what transpired between the two and so declared that he gave tithe of all to the priest.

How Abraham even came to the idea is not known from the scripture because the priest didn't ask for tithe but Abraham did give it to him and he blessed Abraham . The less is always blessed of the better ... Heb 7:7

Note that after Abraham gave him this tithe he returned the balance of the goods to the king of Sodom. He didn't take any for himself for his efforts.

Something we know of Abraham life is that he was a man of ALTAR. when he got his first revelation about his blessings to come , he raise an altar ...there is no altar without sacrifce and fire to keep them alive

When he went into Egypt and got made he didn't build any altar there but when he was thrown out, he returned to his altar .....what he did when he return having been blessed we don't know but we know that anyone that visits altars must bring sacrifce

When Intel came to him that his brother's son had been kidnapped, he went in search and rescue operations with civilians against an army and returned victorious . While he was yet to reach his camp and altar to give thanks unto God for the uncommon victory, king's came out to receive their people and property back but God type of king unknown before then came on the scene to collect what would certainly have gone to his private altar for there is no way he would not have gone to his altar after such a victory .


The king of Righteousness and peace , the two issues Abraham resolved in his battle against those enemies and won came in human form before the balance of returns went back to the owners .

It is obvious that Abraham learnt that ten percent from his personal practice with his personal altars or it was a common practice amongst his people when they had no priest amongst them to offer percentages to their god of all their new material possessions








No one asked him to do it, he didn't wake up in the morning looking for a priest to give, it was by accident that he met the priest and if he had not won the war he went to, he would not have dashed the priest 10th of the SPOILS OF WAR. he was not threatened by anyone to do it nor reminded every Sunday that his blessing was attached to doing it!

After that day, nothing was recorded of him repeating such feat. HE WAS EVEN ALREADY RICH before that encounter, so his covenant with God to be very rich was not from that act but from his obedience during his son's trial! (sacrificing Isaac)




Nothing in the scripture is an accident for God is a God of order . Even how to arrange altar and wood for burnt offering meant and had significant value to him and the whole exercise. He didn't bump into the priest. It was God's designed and operations . Go and read your scripture slowly , Abraham got rich in Egypt not by Issac and obedience ... His obedience extended his influence and blessing. Go and read the sequence ... He got rich and went back to his first altar









So how come we have no chapter or even a verse showing that early Christians paid tithe, yet we have other forms of giving Jesus preached and the disciples practiced? Jesus paid tax but no record of him paying tithe, why?

So if Jesus did not bother to preach about tithe but on how to make heaven, how come you and most pastors in Nigeria preach it weekly? some even threaten more tithers with hell and curses, why?

Since I see you dodging questions that you know will expose you, I will ask again: Does not paying your kind of tithe stop you from making heaven?






You do not have the Bible littered with the issue of tithe because a one time statement by Jesus Christ was enough for the wise ... You should have done this while also paying tithe ... Matt 23:23 ..... should have been sufficient evidence that needed no flogging ... Giving wasn't the problem of the early church ... They gave until they were begged to stop giving. So giving wasn't a big deal ...a widow dying of starvation gave ...another gave right in the presence of Jesus ...giving wasn't difficult.... Jesus sent out his apostles without purse and they lacked nothing ... Jesus is the Lord of the harvest ... He is the Melchizedek that explains why he commended tithing without any written evidence that he practiced same but he wasn't the authority on tax but the earthly government, so he was bound to pay ... Did he give offering ?


Name one church or preacher that preaches tithe every week, month or year that you know of with evidence ...

Any of your question that I refused to answer would only mean that is is of no consequence to what we are discussing.
Asking me what is tithe seems idotic to the general matter before us

You can as well dedicate your room, house or a part of the house to being a house of God.

Jesus came for the human churches, not for block churches. Question is: Do you really know the God you serve and does he live in you?

Gbogbowa:
you are right but any dedicated build to God is for God for my house shall be call the house of prayer, remember Jesus said give to God what belong to God and to ceacer what is ceacer

Baloranking:


Milk+groundnut+banana+2spoons of honey

Sup, Pls am I suppose to blend all together or how exactly is it administered?

I didn't say you were the one lying against him, just talking generally bro.

barackodam:
Yes, I very much agree to this.

Just 2 corrections to make.

1...How can you know he was the one that rejected the backroom staff offer and not know who picked all the players?

It was Pinnick who said he rejected backroom staffs, not Amokachi. The bull only said he doesn't know the players Keshi picks.

2... All I posted was said when Keshi was alive, in 2014. So this wasn't a case of lying against a dead man