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PoliticsRe: Who Are The Best Governors In Nigeria? by SouthEast1: 3:41pm On Sep 29, 2011
Same old thread. New wine in old wine skin
PoliticsThe Number Favors Christians: Nigerian Militias In Perspective by SouthEast1(op): 3:32pm On Sep 29, 2011
Boko Haram - Islam (North)
MEND (SS), MASSOB (SE/SS), Akhwat Akwop (North), MOSOP (SS) - Christian
OPC - mixed religion (SW).
AGBEKOYA - mixed religion?? (SW)

Pagans/traditionalists - who represents themhuh?

On the basis of this, how will a religious war look like in Nigeria? The number may favor Christians, but does the acting??
BusinessRe: Hundreds Of Light Rail Trains Left Canada For Lagos by SouthEast1: 1:59pm On Sep 29, 2011
jason123:
Which one has been done in Abuja, OUR FCT (since 2008 cry)?? Which one has been done in West Africa?! C'mon, give credit when its due. It is the smallest state in Nigeria, we are talking about.
But they are second hand, yes, no? Rejectees from obodo Oyibo wink wink wink wink wink wink
BusinessRe: Hundreds Of Light Rail Trains Left Canada For Lagos by SouthEast1: 1:49pm On Sep 29, 2011
100s of Second hand light rail trains for Lagos. I dey laff ohhh
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 10:07pm On Sep 28, 2011
13volts:
having to build a house In an erosion ravaged region like the southeast where the value of land Is like hell, wheny will a hausa man spend such a fortune when he can easily build two houses in his natIve state wIth the same amout of money. perhaps we could ask the yorubas why having a good reputation as the landlords of the country still don't own landed properties in the southeast
And Igbos do not build houses in the desertification-ravaged north, no? Those hausa/Fulani/Kanuri who have lived in Igboland for 20, 30, 40 years could have bought land when land was no issue.  FYI, Yorubas own landed property in the south east; it is just a matter of how many Yorubas (who can afford to do so) live in the SE compared to how many Igbos (who can afford to do so) live in the SW.

Abia State Government gave the cattle traders free land in Okigwe several years back; they have not been able to develop it. So please give cogent reasons why your people do not invest in Igboland.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 10:02pm On Sep 28, 2011
nagoma:
Igbos themselves are [b]afraid [/b]of the SE , why would you want a northerner to invest there. It's just like begging them to please, please come and kidnap me.
In any case are you planning to attack Northern investment ? I suggest you go to the north & even there is manly large farmlands - how can you destroy that? The few factories in kano are not working as there is no electricity and the southern government of the highly educated remains clueless.
Afraid? So all the present investments by Igbos in Igboland were done based on what? Talking about kidnapping, how many northerners have been kidnapped in Igboland? There is more kidnapping in SS than SE, yet Dangote invests in the SS and not the SE. Why is that so? Igbos are killed in their 100s every year in the North, has that stopped them from investing in the North? Are you sure you have any tenable excuse as to why northerners do not invest in Igboland?
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 9:57pm On Sep 28, 2011
13volts:
having to build a house In an erosion ravaged region like the southeast where the value of land Is like hell, wheny will a hausa man spend such a fortune when he can easily build two houses in his natIve state wIth the same amout of money. perhaps we could ask the yorubas why having a good reputation as the landlords of the country still don't own landed properties in the southeast
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 9:43pm On Sep 28, 2011
nagoma:
Igbos themselves are afraid of the SE , why would you want a northerner to invest there. It's just like begging them to please, please come and kidnap me.
In any case are you planning to attack Northern investment ? I suggest you go to the north & even there is manly large farmlands - how can you destroy that? The few factories in kano are not working as there is no electricity and the southern government of the highly educated remains clueless.
nusdog:
Kidnapping is just a recent development in the last 4 years or so. I dont think that has anything to do with the issue.
I wonder oh!!!. Ojukwu's father invested in the North (where Ojukwu was born) even when the
''mother of kidnapping has not been married''. Why did northerners in Igboland at that time not invest in Igboland? The first mayor of Enugu was an Hausa/Fulani (Alhaji Altine (please google); what did he invest in Igboland?
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 6:29pm On Sep 28, 2011
lagcity:
I have no idea. You are going to need Hausa to answer this one.
Hahahah!! That was so, so funny. Thanks. Hope we get an hausa (++Fulani/Kanuri) response on this one.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 6:20pm On Sep 28, 2011
lagcity:
Remember I said Dangote will invest in Igboland if he sees profit in Investing there. Dangote is already making lots of profit from Igboland without investing there, so maybe that's why he's satisfied and not willing to go further. Igbo middlemen are making money for Dangote by buying dangote products in bulk and distributing in Igboland.
Going beyond Dangote, could you speculate as to why an average hausa living in Igboland does not own a house in Igboland even when they can afford to build one? Yorubas do, that I know.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 6:16pm On Sep 28, 2011
lagcity:
Remember I said Dangote will invest in Igboland if he sees profit in Investing there. Dangote is already making lots of profit from Igboland without investing there, so maybe that's why he's satisfied and not willing to go further. Igbo middlemen are making money for Dangote by buying dangote products in bulk and distributing in Igboland.
So in essence Dangote has no investment in the East, although he makes money via Igbos who distribute his goods. Thank you.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 6:11pm On Sep 28, 2011
alj_harem:
Dude you make it as if those that he employs in lagos and sokoto are only yorubas and hausas respectively

That is wrong, infact very wrong . one of the head of the company for distrubution in lagos ikoyi is an Igbo man

it is not necessary he invest in Igboland, so long as he does not discriminate again people of igbo origin, then fine
There is a big difference between employing Igbos living outside Igboland and investing in Igboland. It is a matter of commitment, like Igbos have committed their investments all over Nigeria. Do you get it?
BTW, do you see from you own links that Dangote has no clear investment in Igboland? Please get more facts. This is not really just about Dangote. It is about the lack of northern investments in Igboland.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 6:02pm On Sep 28, 2011
lagcity:
No. Dangote doesn't belong there. Also he doesn't have to set up business directly in the east, that's his choice. Dangote is a shrewd businessman and he'll invest in Igboland if he sees profit in it.
There are 16+ million people in the East (if we consider the fake census data) that can buy from any one or more of Dangote's products, can you hazard a guess as to why Dangote will not see profit in the East? For e.g., will he be paying his Igbo employees more than he pays those in Sokoto, Lagos, etc thereby incurring more expenses? Will Igbo youths burn down his business? Is the power situation in the East any worse than elsewhere, so that he has to use generators more? Do Igbo govts tax investors any more than taxes paid in other places? I need ideas. Thanks.
PoliticsRe: Ndigbo, It Is Time To Return Home And Develop East by SouthEast1: 5:53pm On Sep 28, 2011
Abagworo:
Very true but I don't know the origin of that culture.The great Zik was born and brought up in Zungeru and so many Igbos were said to own properties in the North and West before independence.It is therefore not because of poor infrastructure but poor investment culture.
Thanks. That should put paid to the claims that people do not invest in the East because of no returns or profitability. Those who did make their profits and that is why the private businesses there are doing okay, and in some case even better compared to elsewhere. I also somehow agree with someone who stated here that the inability of Igbos themselves to invest massively in their land is a discouragement for non-Igbos to do so. My questions now are (1) what primed Igbos even before independence to neglect investing in Igboland and instead doing so elsewhere? (2) Why did later-day Igbo investors take the same approach? (3) What can be done to stem it? (4) Is it just merely a coincidence such that Igbos not investing in Igboland are those who live outside Igboland? (5) Do we have Igbos resident permanently in Igboland but whose investments are largely outside Igboland?
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 5:44pm On Sep 28, 2011
OFFICE LOCATIONS
1. EASTERN REGIONAL OFFICE
Dangote Flour Mills Plc
Sales & Marketing Department
NPA Port Complex - Calabar
Cross River State
Tel: 08070482241/08033361885
08070482313/080337700164

2. BORNO/YOBE AREA SALES OFFICE
Dangote Flour Mills Plc
A 102, Ramat Shopping Complex
By Leventis - Maduguri,
Borno State
Tel: 08070482314/07038766644
08070482805/08035865009


3. ADAMAWA AREA SALES OFFICE
Dangote Flour Mills Plc
Shop 164, Jimeta Main Market,
Jimeta - Yobe
Adamawa State
Tel: 08070462349/07061822248


4. JOS SALES OFFICE
Dangote Flour Mills Plc
No 12, Beach Road,
Jos,
Plateau State.
Tel: 08070482351/08034575974


5. AKWA - IBOM AREA SALES OFFICE
C/o Rommy Boss,
No 13, Nsasak Street,
Uyo,
Akwa-Ibom State
Tel:Â 08070482308/0807067063


6. ANAMBRA AREA SALES
C/o Chief M. O. Mbonu
Shop No F, 22/23,
Bakery Material Market,
Ogidi- Onitsha, Anambra State
Tel: 08071492557/0803706945


7. RIVERS SALES AREA
C/o Master Bakers Office,
No, 111, Old Refinery Road,
By Stallion Junction
Elelenwo - Port Harcourt
Tel: 080704482242/08036174558


8. ABUJA
2nd Floor Adamawa Plaza
Central Business District,
Abuja
Tel: 08070482387


9. KADUNA
C/o Farida Business Venture
9 Kano Road,
Kaduna
Tel: 08070482389


10. SOKOTO
19, Usman Danfodio Road,
Sokoto
08070482254


11. ZAMFARA
Kantin Deji Road, Gusau
08070482388


12. OSOGBO
MDS Area,
Osogbo
Tel: 08070482386


13. MINNA
Behind Central Mosque
Minna
Tel: 0807048225
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 5:42pm On Sep 28, 2011
lagcity:
Well, the kind of businesses that Northerners do doesn't really require massive brick-and-mortar investments. The Hausa/Fulani have figured out what business model and practices work best for them and they are sticking to it. It gives them more flexibilitiy to move around and there's nothing wrong with that. SouthEast should worry about Igbo businesses and leave the Hausas alone.
Does Dangote (again using him as an example) also belong in that group of northern business men you describe?
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 5:38pm On Sep 28, 2011
Dangote Group Supports Private Sector Development in enugu

AS Nigeria’s coal city, Enugu opened its trade fair complex to hundreds of participants in the 20th edition of the Enugu International Trade Fair last Friday, Dangote Group, one of the biggest indigenous conglomerates in the manufacturing sector at the Fair is poised to support government in realizing its 20-20-20 Vision.
http://businessworldng.com/web/articles/347/1/Dangote-Group-Supports-Private-Sector-Development/Page1.html

others

http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/40899/1/More-exhibitors-storm-Enugu-International-Trade-Fair/Page1.html

dangote sugar in ebonyi

etc

u can do more research
Where are the Dangote investments listed in these links? Like other investors, Dangote group can attend trade fairs and support anything, but do they have investments in Igboland? Those links do not say so. Where are links for Danjuma and Saraki?
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 5:35pm On Sep 28, 2011
ANAMBRA AREA SALES
C/o Chief M. O. Mbonu
Shop No F, 22/23,
Bakery Material Market,
Ogidi- Onitsha, Anambra State

http://www.dangote-group.com/ourbrands/flour.aspx
Hhaha!! I put it to you that this is a publicity stunt. The fact that you have c/o in the address tells you that Chief Mbonu is just adistributor for Dangote product, just like I had envisaged. Look at the other addresses. They state clearly ''Dangote Flour Mills PLC''
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 5:13pm On Sep 28, 2011
alj_harem:
I pointed out to u just 1 of some of dangote branches in Igboland yet u dismissed it

also danjuma group has

not to forget others like saraki (fulani) etc
Please post the link (verifiable evidence) for these claims. Thank you
PoliticsRe: Ndigbo, It Is Time To Return Home And Develop East by SouthEast1: 5:11pm On Sep 28, 2011
ndu_chucks:
The focus of my first post was not crime reduction and as I stated earlier, potential criminals who are employed tend not to act out their criminal objectives.

Note that, in a democracy, interest groups are well advised to lobby agencies because those agencies, ideally, must allocate those resources based on subjective priorities in many cases.  If Ndigbo refuses to lobby Nnaji, one way or the other, to allocate some of the resources in his disposal, towards projects in the East, I'm afraid those resources will be allocated elsewhere, including into the pockets of known rogues who, hitherto have been doing all the lobbying.
Does that (boldened) work in Nigeria the way it does in the US? I know that the FEC meets every once a week to discus and allocate resources. From what we read, we have seen how they share the money- almost always every region is touched, piecemealy.

The systematic decimation of federal presence in the East began with the military regimes where no FEC meeting is needed to share allocations. It will take a fiat (not a naija-type FEC democracy) to redress the mess and let the East catch up with the rest of the country per federal presence. BTW, the same scenario as in Igboland plays out in Akwa Ibom, Cross Rivers, Delta and Bayelsa where little or no fed presence can be felt.
PoliticsRe: Ndigbo, It Is Time To Return Home And Develop East by SouthEast1: 4:56pm On Sep 28, 2011
ndu_chucks:
I did not intend to insinuate that Igboland is the most criminal part of Nigeria by any means, I’m afraid that your own bias implanted that notion in your mind. The relevant point is that, crimes are reduced when potential criminals are employed.
Your point as to the reason why Igbos invest far away from the East is well taken, after all an investor should naturally be attracted to areas where his profit would be maximized so that he/she can significantly increase shareholder value.  All I am say is that some of Igbo investors need to start aggressively investing in the East and partner with state governments to develop the region.

Some Igbo friends I know are currently working to invest in the power generation industry and possibly power distribution as well, with their base located in the East.  Nnaji is in charge of power, enough pressure and lobbying should be applied on him and his office to ensure that some of the power generation capacity is located in the East. No one will develop the East but Ndigbo, its time to shine eyes very well. Pressure should be applied on Madam Ngozi as well to ensure that she not only take care of the needs of our debt holders but those of Ndigbo.  Ati be be lo – etc etc

P.S. olodo is a term of endearment  from my perspective.  Trust me, if I want to abuse you, you  it will be very clear.  Surely you skin is thicker than this, we call you people, aje’kuta ma munmi (person wey fit eat stone without drinking water) , don’t disappoint me with this wusie fear of a harmless word like olodo.

nwannem, how is it possible not to like Ndu_chucks, ehn? Anyway, me I have nothing but love for you people.
But this (boldened) cannot be discussed in isolation. Has crime reduced in other parts of Nigeria where you want Igbos to develop less? What is the employment situation in those places compared to Igboland? We need to get the big picture before we can conclude. On other points, yes you are largely correct. I am also fully aware of the moves for improved power generation by some Igbos. But note that Nnaji is not working for Igbos; he is working for Nigeria whose president is not even Igbo. So he can only do so much. Unless you are insinuating that people in power should work for their people and disregard others.
PoliticsRe: Ndigbo, It Is Time To Return Home And Develop East by SouthEast1: 4:23pm On Sep 28, 2011
ndu_chucks:
What is the matter with you people and juvenile name calling? I forgive you sha, since the rest your contribution as shown in the above post is not juvenile as well. ma fi iso kinkini ba'idi je (make you no take fart reduce the glory of yansh) olodo
Okay!! Practice what you preach by not calling anyone olodo. Anyways, I will like a direct response to my point above. Ignore the name-calling for now. Thanks

Some of us have been hammering along this line in the past, here on NL and in real life.
You may well contribute to this point which is somewhat similar https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-770063.0.html
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 4:15pm On Sep 28, 2011
maclatunji

And while providing an example, do well to distinguish between a Dangote-owned investment and an Igbo-owned distributorship for Dangote products. They are different. Does Dangote own any factory, retail outlet, bank or transport company physically present in Igboland?
PoliticsRe: Ndigbo, It Is Time To Return Home And Develop East by SouthEast1: 4:10pm On Sep 28, 2011
Ndu Chuks (fake Igbo man):

Except for your mention of crime (because Igboland is not the most criminal part of Nigeria- other areas that you want Igbos to stop ''developing'' are also kidnapping and ritual infested), I find it hard to argue with your initial post. However, I think there is far more than meets the eye on the penchant of Igbos to invest almost anywhere else except in Igboland. This has been happening even before crime or unemployment became an issue. Recall that Ojukwu's father, the first Nigerian millionaire had most of his investments outside Igboland. Many notable Igbos were born outside Igboland where their parents resided and did business even when there was no competition from other Igbos. I believe it has to do with some[b] kind of culture[/b] that crept in when Nigeria came together as a country and Igbos began exploring far-flung places. That culture must be reevaluated at this time.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 2:52pm On Sep 28, 2011
maclatunji:
Check, I am too busy at the moment.
If I knew (after checking) I would not open this thread.
PoliticsRe: Ndigbo, It Is Time To Return Home And Develop East by SouthEast1: 2:39pm On Sep 28, 2011
Eko Ile:
Are you telling me your are corny too? (I really think you are) Or your are just the real illiterate asking me to pay attention to your illiteracy because you don't know the meaning of [b]corny [/b]or how to use it?
Okay!! Sit yourself. I just don't want to derail this thread. So let's leave that for now.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 2:30pm On Sep 28, 2011
maclatunji:
Dangote has.
Which company/factory etc?.
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 2:19pm On Sep 28, 2011
There are hausa people who have lived in Igboland for 20-40 years; they have made money in their money-changing business and all that (which also I do not consider an investment because it is simply a matter of putting their currencies in their bags and off they go), yet they do not own a single house of their own. Contrast that to a mere Igbo trader in far-flung Jigawa who owns the house where he lives, and that after only a few years.

These fulani engaged in trading in cattle in Okigwe, despite the millions they make, do not own houses in Okigwe. They still live in tents. The gov gave them land to develop their business and its still lying fallow.

What is the agenda? Because I believe it is not for nothing
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 2:15pm On Sep 28, 2011
karl max:
@op don't u think that there COWs GOATs and all other goods mentioned above are INVESTMENTS, u would be surprised to learn how much those cow and goat are worth!!! Am not from the north but I knw for sure that not all are evil but the good ones are in the minority
Cows, goats and sheep may appear as investment but recall that these animals are moved about in an out of Igboland. as is also the case in Yorubaland and other parts where you have better grazing opportunities than the North. They are grazed in the north, south and west. If you tag a specific cow you saw today in Enugu and if that cow survives the butchers knife, you will most likely see that same cow in Benue or Kogi in the next few months. How is that an investment in Igboland? Do you rate a mobile business as an investment in any of the locations such a business passes through?
PoliticsRe: Do You Know Of Any Hausa/fulani/kanuri Investment In Igboland? by SouthEast1(op): 2:10pm On Sep 28, 2011
13volts:
why should we invest in the southeast when infact the igbos themselves have reportedly refused to develop their own area. investing in the southeast one must employ all necessary dubious, ritual and illegal means to survive. an average northern business man would not too inclined to go that extra mile just to make profit. however northern business men have invested in the southsouth and edo state just as we have invested in southwest also. by the way can the poster also mention any notable investment by the yorubas in igboland, when in fact yorubas hardy reside in the southsouth or southeast, the Few yorubas you see work in oil companies and ffinancial institutions.

the igbos should look inward for their woes.
Yorubas do invest in Igboland. We have shown ample evidence here in the past unless you are as new as 2011 on NL. There are businesses in Igboland that only hausa/fulani/kanuri, etc conduct, with no competition from Igbos: money-changing, suya and cattle trading to mention a few. These people live and make money there going back several years. Why do they not at least build a concrete house where they can live as landlords?

And, can you in your heart of hearts conclude correctly that Igbos are more diabolical in conducting their business practices than Hausa and Yoruba? If you say so how did you arrive at that conclusion?
PoliticsRe: Ndigbo, It Is Time To Return Home And Develop East by SouthEast1: 4:55am On Sep 28, 2011
Eko Ile:
Very corny
Is that also English language? Na waoh for some educated illiterates.

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