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Michael547:
Kindly point out the location of Abraham and Lazarus from the verse.

I thought you could read as well

Michael547:
Oh....was Jesus not the one narrating the story?
Would Abraham say something that would contradict that of Jesus?

But you said Jesus said it .

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday , today and forever

Michael547:
It clearly means that your interpretation of knowledge in hell is faulty.


If the rich man was in hell, where was Lazarus and Abraham?

The verse should answer that for you .

Michael547:
Look at the reply of Abraham in verse 29 and 31.

But you said Jesus said so !
Didn't you.

Michael547:
If the rich man was in hell, where was Lazarus and Abraham?

Why would the rich man ask for water since he was not on earth, do people in hell drink water without their physical bodies?

You would have been able to ask the rich man if you had the opportunity to meet him

Michael547:
Did Jesus not tell you in the Lazarus and rich man story that he was not going to send either Lazarus or the rich man to warn people on earth about torment in hell, So where do people get testimonies of torment in hell from?

Where in the story did "Jesus "said so ?

Little sins and The craftiness is Satan .

There are many people (christians)who if we're to be tempted with some types of sins would easily escape from it .
But if Satan brings temptations that would be much easier to escape they would instead fall for it because they lack the ability to see or discern such acts as sin .
Eg. There are some people who would rather die than to engage in money ritual,kidnapping , assassination , fraud, or denying Jesus as lord .
Yet they would easily fall if they were to be tempted with premarital sex, pornography, lying, masturbation , etcetera .
This is because they consider these act as lesser sins ,and secondly because these set of sins are much easier and quicker to carry out .
And much easier to be forgiven ,and forgotten
(as they think)

Many people are unaware of the fact that all ungodliness leads to hell . Wether you consider them to be small or big .

If you are able to say no to murder ,to occultism or cultism ,to robbery or prostitution etcetera ,then you should be able Say no to other sins .

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me .

I pray that they Lord will strengthen his children and grant us much grace to overcome all our weaknesses .

I pray for those under the power of masturbation and pornography : I command the yokes over you to break ,and I set you free from the bondage of sinful pleasures in Jesus name .

I pray for those sick : I command every affliction in your body to leave in Jesus name ,I release you from the bondages of Satan ,from curses and from every proclamation that are contrary to God will for your life . In the name of Jesus

I pray for those who are into drugs , alcohol ,and gambling : I decree and announce a change in your lifestyle I command the spirit that manipulates you to go in Jesus name .

Every sin you consider small that is frustrating you destiny I proclaim the verdict of the cross over them .
Receive liberty now because Jesus has set you free .
Amen.

Merry Christmas

Michael547:
Madam....there is no knowledge on earth that is in hell. If you claim there is knowledge in hell, mention the knowledge with biblical backup.

Here you go .

Luke 16:19-25
[19]“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
[20]But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
[21]desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22]So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
[23]And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’
[25]But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.

Jesus is Lord

Merry Christmas

I remember this thread again

The bride is not yet perfect so don't be offended by her .

Michael547:
Ecclesiastics 9:10 says no knowledge in hell. You came with your interpretation. So prove your interpretation.

You Haven't answered my question .
Let take it step by step .

https://www.youtube.com/live/bVBE-0pmZRs?si=VQ4z6wwOHQoI0AQ5


This is a link to hell testimony .

Michael547:
Where did you get your interpretation of relevant knowledge in hell?

Mentioned one knowledge you have currently on earth that wouldn't be irrelevant to have in hell.

I'm going to post some links to videos and testimonies about hell.

Michael547:
Where does the Bible speak of partial knowledge in hell.

I never spoke about partial knowledge but irrelevant knowledge

Michael547:
So where does the Bible distinguish between the knowledge humans have on earth and between the one in hell. Is there any knowledge in hell that we don't have here on earth? If yes, what knowledge?

First reply :

Don't get me wrong .
I said there are some knowledge that will be no longer relevant after ones death .
I think maybe that came late or you did not see it .
So read my reply again .

After that I will gice you the second reply .
I just want you to understand my point .

MaxInDHouse:
Please do you agree with this book?


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

The dead no nothing more than that which they knew .
They don't know what's going on on earth .

Theses are my three witnesses .

Witness 1.

Luke 16:20-25
[20]But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
[21]desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22]So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
[23]And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’
[25]But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.


Second witness .:

Revelation 20:4
[4]And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Third witness.

Revelation 6:9-11
[9]When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
[10]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
[11]Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances

By the mouth of two or three witnesses a thing shall be established .

Michael547:
You are funny oo.....how can one have knowledge of the Holy spirit In a place where knowledge does not exist?

How can one be reminded of of his or her loved ones in a place where there is no knowledge?

How can one regrets his past actions in a place without knowledge?

You clearly have a problem of separating consciousness from knowledge as you claimed earlier.

Solomon was speaking about mundane knowledge that can be applied on earth to achieve one or two things like scientific knowledge etc .

Knowledge is different from consciousness .
In the real of the spirit one would have the ability to grasp and know things spontaneously without having ever been taught about them .
That's a product of interfacing with the spirit that has that knowledge by consciousness of that that spirit .

The Bible says " the spirit will reveal things ears haven't hear nor seens by eyes through his spirit to the believer ."
This is the product of perception achieved by conscious .

Note I never said no knowledge in hell but only said what Solomon said is knowledge and not consciousness .
Because they wrote consciousness ,and there was no consciousness in the Scriptures you posted .

The knowledge Solomon was talking about is not awareness but mundane knowledge that one acquire in order to make impact on earth .
You dont acquire consciousness or self-awareness . It's natural

Those knowledge would have no use in hell so do what's need to be done with them before you die . that's what Solomon was saying .

everlasting2024:
Hello I feel like there is oil on my head this started last year and now I feel a burning sensation on my chest I never asked God for this I only prayed for my financial growth and that he speaks to me on what to do pls I need a Bible believing church here in ph I always feel like joining the choir and singing to God ,the only thing God spoke to me was pray for ur family and loved ones
I just need direction on what to do cause I feel lost and confused and it feels like I am talking to myself

You have a calling that has to do with revival .
The oil on your head is God telling you that he has called you .
This means heaven has allocated a people ,a territory ,and an issue or assignment to you .
Now it is your responsibility to discern what that assignment is by listening and paying attention to the kinds of burden you always have .
One of the way to know the office of your calling is through the spontaneous burden that you constantly have .

The fire in your heart is the meter of your consecrations .
By the fire you will be able to tell if spirit is alive in you or if you have quench is presence .
The more you stay in the presence of God the more the fire will burn and intensify .

It is through the fire that God revives you ,and it is a fire this revives ,and meant to be impacted to others .
You have caught the revival fire ,and you must tend it keep it watch it jealously and spread .

Be bold .
Be faithful .
Be willing to be alone or walk alone .
Be willing to take step without the fear of mistake ,and you will prosper .

The oil on your head is the anointing of your office .
The burden in your heart reveals your office
The pain you go through shapes you into maturity and the actions you take will be the fruit of your labour.

Xtdott:
God bless you bro,You are truly led to write this.
I do feel the burning sensation at middle of my head whenever am praying and even more powerful when am in a fast, praying and speaking in tongues.
When i live in sin I don't feel,it just disappear,but whenever I turn back to God, the burning sensation comes again, but Now as am writing, am feeling it at the middle of my head,am not praying or fasting only that I just forsake those sins that easily beset me. I really not know what the sensation is or what it means.. please me understand it bro..

Sorry it took long to reply you .

Don't listen to any interpretation that's not aligned with mind of the Bible .
Don't take counsel from websites that teaches new age .
Don't take any interpretation that does not glorify Jesus but self .


Now this is the answer :

The fire you feel is the sign of the seers anointing.
God wants to illuminate your spiritual eyes eyes .
People who are seers are prophets ,but God could also give you the gift or ability to see spiritual even if you do not have a calling of a prophet or seer because he wants to give you the upper hand in a spiritual warfare that you are in
(even though it is possible for you not to be aware that you are in that warfare).

So the fire you are feeling is to enable you to see in the realm of the spirit .
Now the challenge the devil will try to bring your way in other to hinder you is .
1. Pornography -because it enables spiritual blindness and kills the anointing of the seers .
2. Addiction to movies - because you are likely to encounter scenes that would temper with the temperature of your heart(quench you burning heart ) (the seers anointing flows from forehead to heart and from heart to forehead vice versa .

3. Distraction : unfruitful friends , unfruitful games , unfruitful entertainment .
They will render you inactive and make you not have time to engage or deploy the anointing .

4.Social media addiction : chains the soul and constitute burden to spiritual activities or practices by the reason of pleasure the kinds of contents one consumes .

5. Wrong discernment or lack of discernment :
If you tell this to an unspiritual person they might interpret the phenomenon as a medical condition that needs to be treated or gives it a wrong interpretation if they are not scripturally spiritual .

So take heed .and stay bless .

Merry Christmas my dear friends

Hell is real .
Heaven is also real .
Jesus is alive and he saves from hell
And delivers to heaven .

Michael547:
So what does consciousness in hell entail?

Consciousness means life .
It is by consciousness that one Interface with reality .
What ever you are not conscious of is not yet real to you even if you are seeing it .

Some people are not yet in hell but they are conscious of it and that consciousness is the evidence that they believe in hell ,there are having a taste of what it could be like even before they go there .
Some people have the knowledge of hell but they don't have the consciousness of it ,so it becomes unreal to them even though they have its knowledge they forget about hell and then sin unpresumptuously because they couldn't not touch or feel hell again through their consciousness .

So coming to your question:

consciousness in hell entails death .
It entails spiritual death .
Though some of those in hell have the knowledge of the holy spirit they can't perceive him anymore .(they are now separated from the mingling of the holy spirit which comes by being conscious of the holy spirit)
They can't hear the sound of that small still voice that usually try to correct them or stop them from sining eg . masturbating ,lying , phonography , stealing , etcetera .

That voice is gone forever because there is no need of repentance in hell .
So consciousness in hell represent having the opposite of the small still voice ,now the consciousness that the have is the voice that accuses them ,reminds them of how they were preach to but they refused to repent .
Reminds them that they have loves one on earth who would soon join them .

So conscious in hell entails being constantly reminded of ones sin, one's family earth .

,sorrow born out of reminiscing about chances and opportunities that could have stop one from coming there but which one took for granted .

Michael547:
Hell is where humans go when they dies as shown in the screenshot below. There is no consciousness in hell.

Knowledge is different from consciousness .

You might have the knowledge of God and yet not have consciousness of his presence in your environment while you commit sin in secret .

The verses you quoted is talking about knowledge not consciousness .

I am anticipating your sweet response.

Jesus is the way the truth band the life.

IS BIBLICAL FOR GOD TO SEND A PERSON FROM THE DEAD TO WARN THE LEAVING ? :
X-RAYING THE PARABLE OF THE RICH MAN

There are many testimonies out there given by people who said to have died ;went to hell and returned with messages of repentance from God or just sharing their experiences .

Now we have a lot of people who although believe in God ,don't believe in hell(where people burn for eternity) like the Jehovah witnesses .
there are some who believe in the after life but don't believe their is heaven or hell , while some others( who are Christians) believe in heaven and hell but don't believe God could send a dead person back to life to warn the living because( they thought)the Bible said so .

The purpose of this post is to x-ray that notion.
To help us grasp and comprehend what the Bible says in truth.

Jesus told the story of a poor beggar called Lazarus ,and a rich man both of which died and went beyond in .

Luke 16:19-31
[19]“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
[20]But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
[21]desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22]So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
[23]And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’
[25]But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
[26]And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
[27]“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house,
[28]for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’
[29]Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’
[30]And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
[31]But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”



Point1.
The rich man didn't see God nor spoke with God in person but with Abraham . (Verse 23)

Point2.
the rich man asked Abraham for mercy and for water through Lazarus and not God .(verse24)

Point3.
the rich man begged Abraham to send Lazarus back to to his father's house to warn his brothers it wasn't God that he begged.(verse27/28)

Point4.
abraham was the one who answered the rich man not God .(29)

Point5.
abraham said "they have Moses ,and the prophets ;let them hear them ."(verse 29)

Point6.
the rich man suggest sending someone from the dead will lead his brothers to repentance(verse30)

Point7.
.Abraham replied the rich man saying (if they don't hear the living the would not listen to the dead who returned either).

Point8. Now there is no single place where it was said that God himself said no one from the dead will be sent to warn mankind neither Abraham .

Point 9.
This is not just a parable as some people would want to believe .
All of Jesus parables in which he mentioned people he never assigned a name beard by actual people (who live historically) to any of them except this one .

He mentioned Abraham ,and Moses a people who are historical documented to have lived .

Inserting them in a parable that never happened in such a manner would be something Else .


Point10.
Now some might say well Jesus didn't die and came back to tell the story .
He said it while he was alive .
Well Jesus was from heaven and how could he have know it if he wasn't there in the spirit ?
He knows all things
Did he said before Abraham was I am ?

Point11.
Some argue that those who saw heaven were not permitted to speak about the things they saw .
Eh . Paul said he saw things that were unlawful to say .
But John was also taking into heaven and he saw things that Jesus himself permitted him to write ,and to send to the churches .

Point12
The rich man didn't ask to be sent back himself to life but poor Lazarus who had suffered while on earth .
Lazarus was not the one who asked to be sent himself .
The Rich man didn't discuss or pray to God in the story but spoke instead with Abraham who had not even the power to get Lazarus with water from one barrier to another talk less of getting him across the spirit realm to the physical .

Point13.
Some would argue that John and Paul were not dead when they saw what they saw in heaven whereas the people who share theses testimonies claimed to have died and came back to life

Well there is no way one could have such experience as same as that of Paul and John without going through some level of mortification in the flesh or without living the physical into the spiritual .
The spiritual atmosphere that those people experienced and that of John and Paul when they had theirs weren't different .

One goes through the same process to experience either death or spiritual encounter in heaven or hell that are beyond dreams ,visions and trance .

Jesus was from the realm (of the spirit) those people claimed to have visited that's why he could tell the story in the first place .


Matthew 18:16
[16]But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’


Witness 1. Jesus spoke about hell himself in Matthew chp 5:22'29'30 . mark chp 9 vs 43 ,45 ,47. luke12:5.
Witness 2 .
James spoke about hell in James 3:6
and witness 3 .
Peter spoke about hell also in 2peter2:4.

Jesus having spoken about the story meant that the age where people would be led to seek salvation by faith in Christ had not come .
If someone should come say it in the age of Moses all they would do is adjust their lifestyle but they would have no access to the saving grace of God because sin which is the gate of hell had not been defeated by the arrival and death of christ.

Before there is a revelation of hell there need be a revelation of it's defeat.

Then a time came when Jesus could say
"I have the keys of hell and hades ."

So by this time victory has been achieved by Christ .
Christ has the key of hell so he could bring out of it whoever can still be given a second chance .
People were raised from death before Christ but no one has the authority to deliver from hell or go to hell and call out souls from there .

Elisha raised the Shunamite woman's child from death ; he could pray that God should bring back the spirit of the child ;
but he could not command hell to release the dead from it's grip by his own authority.
Only Jesus has authority over death and hell (a part of hades) which no human had before his time .

1 Corinthians 15:55-57
[55]“O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?”
[56]The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
[57]But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:18
[18]I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.