₦airaland Forum

cocoduck:
you still do not want to understand me. BTW I am here because my parents brought me here but I belong to Nigeria and willing to go back. I said that you should hold keep that issue of having an American passport to your self because you are not the first and definitely not the last, I now believe you are a kind of looking Down on others and getting puffed up with pride because you now have an American passport. I cannot run away, I stated that I am planning to relocate to Nigeria. Chinese and Lebanese I met in Gabon tell me of how they wish to be in Nigeria like their other compatriots in Nigeria, then I believe it is because they make it more in Nigeria than else where. Now Asians want to relocate to Nigeria and Nigerians are running to Europe and America, isn't that ridiculous? What is is they are looking for here that they dream of comming to get? while I run to develop another man's economy. just like I said before, our problems right now is simply because there is an over supply of certificates and little technical skills.

Since eon, there is cross movement of people from one country to another - I am not the first, nor would I be the last. Despite how rosy life might be in Europe and some other countries, you still find Europeans and people from such countries living in Sudan and other harsh places. Have you asked yourself why that is the case?

BTW, if your parents brought you to Gabon (suggesting that you are still a kid), then sorry, I should not be conversing with you but with your parents because as adults, they will understand me better. As for you, you should be in class or an artisan's workshop studying or learning a trade.

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davitogreat:
They only know how to run to foreign lands, worship foreigners

Lol. This got me cracking. Fyi only, I have had the rare privilege of being in an event involving Dangote and Bill Gates sitting in the same hall, next to each other, and I could sense the subservient mien of our own billionaire when relating to BG. Let me leave it at that.

fr3do:
Tribalists, and you don't see them making generalizations to degrade the entire country.

Duh!! When Igbos degrade the entire Yoruba and Yorubas degrade the entire Igbo- as we see here on Nairaland- what is left of Nigeria? How well has this tribalism served Nigeria? You go ahead and tell me. Also, tell me how it is different from racism.

omongbatim:
Why do we wait for the white man to do everything for us? Why are we unable to help ourselves?

I share this sentiment too.

cocoduck:
are those leaders from Mars? are they not Nigerians too? Op, I don't appreciate the way you handled this issue because I am forced to believe that you are the same thing with these Nigerians that when ever they get one small thing they start boasting and hanging their shoulders high even their clothes can no longer fit them because of high skin and they start looking down in those who either are not able to get that thing or like me who do not care or dream about going to America or Europe. You are not better than I am because you now have American passport. I want to travel but I also want to limit it to countries in Africa, ie right now I am living in Gabon but I closed my shop to learn a trade even if I was making plenty money from it but I want tok be an auto electrician that is my calling and talent, and I am planning to relocate to nigeria because the economy of Nigeria needs technical skills not certificates, there is an over supply of certificates but little in terms of technical skills. That is what I strongly believe is our problem not politicians. Those politicians are Nigerians just like me.

Good for you. If you live now in Gabon and I live in the USA, what is the difference - we're both living outside Nigeria, no? Or are you living in Gabon without a Gabonese passport?

You know what? I think any one who chooses to live in a foreign country should do all that is within their power to become citizens of that country, especially if they can still retain their Nigerian passport (dual citizenship- Like I am doing); unless, of course, they have diplomatic passport. This is an advise for folks like you. Thank you.

Because of their familism (pardon me, I just coined this vocabulary, meaning penchant for family)

I had used the word familism of the cuff, but going back to check, I see it is a correct usage. So no need apologising. Portion now edited.

Folks,

Please visit my pevious thread here https://www.nairaland.com/1843642/africa-narrative-denizens-food-system

Surprised that few people are interested in this thread. Perhaps the title is not attractive enough?

fr3do:
You are a chronic self hater.
Its one less toxic citizen for Nigeria.

How is the highlighted so? Reading through some of the posts on Nairaland, I see naked hatred thrown between Igbos and Yorubas. So how would you classify those people, self haters or racists? If they are racists, how are they any better than the white racists in America and elsewhere in Europe? Or the Arabs and Chinese who also have no love lost for black people? How is it different from African Americans who disdain African immigrants? You see how life is not all about black and white?

At the day's end, it behooves on Africans to solve their own problems themselves. Our unending beggarly attitude is getting too shameful for some of us.

iamrealdeji:
Bro,i respect you for been respectful and not particularly provocative,but I still call you a coward for chickening out,e

This post has not told my life story even 0.00001% for you to suggest that I chickened out, and thus a coward.

On the contrary, the possession of dual citizenship could better help one achieve what one has in mind for Nigeria. Do you not think so?

jemype:
Congrats but U forgot to mention what you did to change the situation of the things in Nigeria. Meaning u haven't done anything yet you want to reap the benefit of another mans labour in america. They had their own fair share of struggles if u look back into history. Things will be better in this country.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Men!!! Some people and their sense of reasoning.

VolvoS60:
(Pseudo) patriotism is indeed the last refuge of knaves and scoundrels.

Some posters who 'love' Nigeria pour out their nationalism all over their keyboards just to get a rise out of other people. But deep down they know a lot is terribly wrong with this country. I don't really have a problem with such people - sooner or later it becomes clear where they really stand.

The real problem is the large mass of politically illiterate individuals who are ignorant and unschooled about how modern (or ancient) democracies work (or worked). There are several of them on this thread. These individuals view 'patriotism' through a pinhole sized prism and interpret the world around them in terms of their narrow definition of what it means to love one's country. Just like some individuals have a morality determined principally by the length of women's hemlines (or some other triviality), some individuals define patriotism primarily by intolerance to (largely well deserved) criticism.

The terrible thing about it is that this mass of incurious individuals has the right to vote.

We are the architects of our own destruction.

Thank you

onetouch7:
Moaning won't solve anything. ACT is key, if you want to make a dfference, do something. We don't need an editorial.

Dude, I am already acting and I have been doing so for the past 8 years in ways you can never imagine. Nairaland is not the real life, okay?

omoharry:
I wont want to belong to a society where the psych of the black man is filled up with inferiority complex because of racism. I have observe that most people that live in America for a very long time have racial complex, I like my Nigeria and the fact the i am from the African continent.I believe that Nigeria is the place my heart is while the western world is a place to visit for vacation and shopping. At least it will make life less boring.

Not every Nigerian abroad lives an inferior life. There are doctors, professors, lawyers, engineers, IT experts, etc, etc here who have Nigerian backgrounds. They do not feel inferior to anyone because they are at the top of their games. In contrast, those who have issues with their immigration status and those who for good or bad reasons depend on the society for sustenance (food stamp medicare/medicaid, etc) might be the ones who feel inferior. I dare to advise you that inferiority feelings are individual to people, and should not be generalized. Otherwise, can I ask you why Nigerians in Nigeria tend to fall head over heels with Westerners living in Nigeria? Don't even pretend this is not happening. I grew up in Nigeria, and I know.

kevoh:
Actually the problem lies with the title the OP gave to his thread, so many will read it and translate it as : This na time to yab these useless Africa as I don become yankee citizen and no more African.
Many won't even bother reading the main article before lashing angrily at him. Hence the rich message of his article crashlands even before taking off!

OP raised some salient points about the ills of Africa but was it necessary to annouce the citizenship part? I'm still trying to link the article with the announcement, can not find any yet.

Without adding that attractant in the title you likely would not be on this thread. You can see how little of it was mentioned in the main article. So, my dear friend, that was strategic.

Natascha:
Ethiopia was colonized by Italians for a short while

But the Italians were defeated and sent packing nearly as soon as they came in, no? Even the Ethiopians will readily tell you they were non colonized. .

BUSHIDO5:
My man, your eyes are open. You are my kind of Nigerian. I school in England, I have been here for 5 years now and I can tell you that virtually not a day goes by without some caucasian idiot calling me a me or a friend of mine (a beautiful Ethiopian girl) a monkey. Spectroscopic will learn in America, don't worry. Over here in England, Africans possessing Masters and Doctorate degrees work as ordinary labourers in warehouses and are bossed around by oyibo secondary school leavers and even uneducated fellow warehouse labourers who are not their supervisors. O boy, black man is at the bottom of the totem pole over here o.

You have only been in The UK 5 years and you are talking about me learning? Before you get a US passport , you would have lived in the US at least 3-5 years with a green card and several years prior, with a visa, the number of years depending on your entry visa, family and educational status. And I'm not talking of visa lottery winners. Being discriminated on the basis of race depends on many cases, on your level, especially for new immigrants (different from the original Afr Ames who see race in everything). By God's grace, I came into this country already well qualified, academically and professionally, and so my job has always been at the top level. I have white people working under me. Just saying this to rebuff the notion of racism by default for all Africans.

If you are an illegal immigrant or non-contributor to the development of their society, of course they will despise you.

Note that the US is more welcoming and integrated than anywhere else in the world

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millos:
And that's exactly what the writer is saying. Wake up from your slumber. Africans need help, expecially people like you who live in the past.

With the way he sounded, one is persuaded to ask if he even has a past. He is just floating around; no past, hardly any present, and of course, no future.

davitogreat:
The reason africa is poor is because many africans are like you.

They only know how to run to foreign lands, worship foreigners and bi.tch moan and complain.

I thank God there are africans like dangote, Mitchell elegbe, innocent chukwuma, tunde kehinde, wale tinubu, ladi jadesimi and many others

The Africans who ruined the continent are not those who ran away (according to you), but are among those who remain there to run it down. True or false?

Raiders:
maybe you should write about the problems your new country is facing like over 30,000 Americans are killed from Gun violence, the killing of unarmed black mens by the police, there are more black men in prison than in colleges and university. Black earn less than whites, the proverty and unemployment rate of blacks is twice that of whites because whites are more likely to be employed by a recruiter. The US justice system is biased to blacks than whites. Leave Africans to solve our problems because you are now a US citizen.

Typical Nigerian, always seeking comfort from the truth. Okay! Go ahead with your childish comparison of Ame and Naija. But note that I only just became an American citizen today. Just yesterday, I was a Green Card holder, but with that card, I probably have done more for Nigerians in Nigeria than most people in Nigeria. Don't you forget that I am also a Nigerian citizen.

oduastates:
Welcome to the club. Got mine a few year ago but am back in odua states. I never shy away from flogging my friends whenever they paint an optimistic and rosy future for the animal called Nigeria.
Nigeria is worse than a jungle. Jungles have rules. A country were banning Street trading is being elitist to the masses. A country where enforcing environmental laws is being heartless.
I have travelled widely in my time. There is an innocence common to all the places I have been. That innocence is necessary to build an healthy nation.
Nigeria has lost hers. The country is doomed to fail completely.

I understand your position. I too, I have traversed the globe and seen first hand how countries are run. Still, I will not give up on motherland, I will not wish any African country ill.

Raiders:
There is opportunity everywhere in the world. Not only in the US. No doubt, US is great country but it also have its problem. There are many Nigerians who once lived in the west but decided to relocate to Nigeria and became succesfull. People like Mike Adenuga, MI, Dbanj and many more. You can make it anywhere in the world. I just don't like people putting Nigeria down

You are the one reducing this to Nigeria. My focus was mainly on Africa. Point to me any thing I wrote there that's incorrect.

black247:
I am Nigerian. I am Igbo in fact. I agree with everything that you said. But you forgot one important thing:

What should we say about the African men and women that flee to white countries - not because of political unrest..not because of political upheaval (read: Rwanda massacres) but simply because they are merely disappointed with their country leaders - and instead of fighting to rebuild Africa - they shamefully burden other countries infrastructure (like America). What about the Nigerian men and women who are so proud to run to England and America, while the natives of those countries are wondering why you - who come from a country that receives aid, millions in fact, are found cowering in their institutions begging for citizenship.

You will not get respect from the average white American - because firstly: they dont want you there...but also because they still see you as the incapable African, and you prove that with your post, you feel too incapable to fight, fight for transformation but you do like most of us do: simply TALK.

What do the English and American see when they look at you? - you are their black monkey - a black monkey that had to come to their land to get properly civilized. For why do you think the whites view the most successful blacks in America as incompetent - talking not of the poor ghetto ones (we all have those) I am talking about the black lawyers and doctors..why are they viewed as so lowly?

Answer: The ruling class still associate even the former slaves (500 years removed) to their ancestors "PRIMITIVE AFRICA".

I agree we have lots to do, but your full respect as a man will never be realized for you until you come back and join empowering movements - even if you start one yourself.

This ravaged continent that we call mighty Africa is a place that ALL blacks will forever be married to. No one can escape this marriage. If the Haitian, the Afro-Cuban, the black American are still associated with Africa..what do you think your association will be? And whats even worse, they didnt have a choice - you did, and you left running..with no plans to fight. And the irony of it all is that you are RUNNING to the very people that takes pleasure in destabilizing US.

America has had the dirtiest of beginnings. But even still - the men who created your mighty new nation that you are foolishly proud to show your face in - actually built their country, brick by brick - saturated in African blood. And they will NEVER respect any of us that have the good sense to provide a sound analysis but not provide solutions - and yet run to them..those who murdered your cousins, they think we are the foolish of them all. I mentioned to Fula (a cool moderator) the other day, Africans - we dont understand racism, and he (thankfully) knew exactly what I was talking about in my posts.

In everything you said, which I agree with it all - even the part that us Nigerians cant take criticism - you forgot the men and women who leave and burden other infrastructures instead of fighting for our own. I don't wish you harm, nor do I wish you to stay in Nigeria if you are being abused...but I do judge people like you that talk about how poorly we are doing when you havent lifted ONE SINGLE finger to help our mighty nation, our mighty continent ...or even think to even avenge the deaths on our screaming soil.

Nigerians are cultural chauvinists.
We are tribal.
We are petty.
Sometimes we brag too much for our own gain.
We are much too flashy.
We have no good sense to respect the hosts that we burden - xenophobia isnt all their fault at times.
We foolishly talk about the West while being in their countries - with our hands and mouth opened up like birds waiting on bread.

And EVERY thing you mentioned...but we are also cowardly, and I hope that you gain the courage to return home...to build an Africa that you dream we should be. Otherwise, you should hold up a mirror.

At least you agree with everything I said. Thank you.

Raiders:
when did I say every Nigerians living in the State is driving Taxi. Your original post sound like because you are a US citizen it means that you are better than 170 million Nigerians living in Nigeria. There are over 35 million Americans on welfare and living in proverty. Many more are homeless. All the different countries in the world have problems. No country is perfect

You need to learn to accept small truths. Meanwhile, the boundless opportunities before me here I can only see in dreams in Africa

joeanointing:
If you are this knowledgeable and exposed then you should come back and play your role.

If you could read better, you would see that I am already playing a role, from the content of my article. How could you not see that?

joeanointing:
This is an eye opener. There are some truths in your points. Nigeria will be great someday. By the grace of God i will see to it and not run away like you. Mods this is FP material.

Becoming an Ame does not make me any less Nigerian. Remember we have dual citizenship.

Raiders:
Good luck being a slave to Uncle Sam.

You are ignorant. Not every Nigerian abroad is driving taxi.

iamodenigbo1:
one less ....gone,thank goodness

Not too fast, dude. I still have my Naija passport, but for use in Nigeria only. Lol

kennynelcon:
What has been your contribution to change the situation?

How would you know from Nairaland?

nigerianvenom:
u are no longer an african citizen?

Says who?