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seunmsg:
So, because he’s the president of the hospital, he’s not an employee? Are you saying he’s the owner?

Nobody is the single owner. It is owned by the University which is owned by a Jewish Foundation.

RTSC2:
That guy need to be arrested and hanged for treason.
Unfortunately, there are many like him here.

Diminishing our country with wrong information.

But his own info is also partly wrong. SA is one of the 5 major African AU contributors. Let's stop blind loyalty.
The real AU funders are non-Africans. Shame on us

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Any Nigerian involved in looting and burning ''Shoprite'' is a criminal and should be jailed. You did not even pray for the real victims of xenophobia in South Africa who are still fighting for their lives, and you are in Nigeria forming victim and looting. Bloody opportunistic crooks.

seunmsg:
You are the illiterate, my friend. If you own a business with an annual budget of $13billion, you’re a billionaire. Your argument that he doesn’t own the company 100% is another ignorant comment. According to the OP, he owns the hospital. Go back to the OP and read or get someone more sensible to read and interpret for you.

Btw, the dude is just an employee of the university that owns the hospital. The issue of percentage of ownership doesn’t even come up because he doesn’t own any part of the hospital.

He is not just an employee. He is the President

propsvilla3:
Forbe Forbe Forbe ah ah ah
Forbe List is giving to the highest bidders
If you doubt me as Invictus Obi

I agree. Appearance in Forbes list is paid for just like Marquis Who is Who in America

plaindealer:
Do you have proof that the man is worth $13 billion?

Do you people even know the meaning of $13 billion?

The man is not worth $13 billion; but the hospital he is the president of could be, no doubt. Nairaland (Internet) is 50% Fake news

joseph1832:
Well I believe he has his reason for rejecting the ministerial position, but still I believe, no matter what, when mother Nigeria call, no matter who sit in Aso Rock, we the children of mother Nigeria should obey.

Nigerian can rubbish a good man/woman. Ask Ngozi Okonjo Iweala; ask prof Barth Nnaji. Some of us abroad will be happy to work in Nigeria but not under Buhari (speaking for myself of course).

Philip O. Ozuah, M.D., Ph.D., serves as professor in the departments of pediatrics and epidemiology & population health at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. He also is President, Montefiore Health System.

No way any sane man will leave this type of Job to work for a Buhari. I would do it with Obasanjo and Jonathan and Yaradua

Montefiore Medical Center could be worth $13 billion. But Philip is the president, not the owner. It is owned by the University and thus by the owner of the University. It has strong Jewish connection

About Montefiore Medical Center


Commitment to Excellence
As the academic medical center and University Hospital for Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Montefiore Medical Center is nationally recognized for clinical excellence—breaking new ground in research, training the next generation of healthcare leaders, and delivering science-driven, patient-centered care.

Montefiore is ranked among the top hospitals nationally and regionally by U.S. News & World Report. For more than 100 years we have been innovating new treatments, new procedures and new approaches to patient care, producing stellar outcomes and raising the bar for medical centers in the region and around the world. As we build on this momentum, we continue to advance the practice of medicine and set the standard for excellence.

Enduring Mission and Distinguished History
The mission of Montefiore is to heal, to teach, to discover and to advance the health of the communities we serve.

From its beginning in 1884, as a facility for the care of patients with tuberculosis and other chronic illnesses, to the new millennium, Montefiore has been at the forefront of patient care, research and education and steadfast commitment to its community.

Our Services
We provide coordinated, compassionate and leading-edge care designed to reach people when and where they need it most. Through highly integrated teams of physicians, nurses, social workers, mental health professionals and other caregivers, we have created an innovative, seamless system of care focused around the patient.

Centers of Excellence
At the intersection of Einstein science and Montefiore medicine is our commitment to scientific inquiry. This commitment has resulted in the creation of the Montefiore-Einstein Centers of Excellence in cancer care, cardiovascular services, transplantation and children’s health, where nationally recognized investigators and multidisciplinary clinical teams collaborate to develop and deliver advanced, innovative care.

Advanced Specialty and Surgical Care
We offer advanced, multidisciplinary care across specialties, delivering one standard of excellence for all. Our interventions are designed to help patients understand and manage their illness, advocate for their health, access the right treatments and receive the vital social support they need to flourish. On multiple fronts, Montefiore is developing more effective and less invasive approaches to complex problems from procedures to repair diseased hearts, protocols to treat complex cancers and medical devices designed to meet the needs of growing children.

Primary Care
With nearly 50 primary care locations throughout the New York metropolitan area, we are focusing on accessible, patient-centered primary and preventive care provided by leading physicians in the areas of family and internal medicine, pediatrics, obstetrics and gynecology, and a team of experts in nursing, health education, nutrition and pharmacy.

Providing Care Without Walls
Montefiore combines its deep commitment to the community with nationally-renowned expertise to reach people in locations easiest for them. Through Montefiore’s School Health Program (MSHP), Primary Care at Home programs, mobile medical and dental health vans and health education initiatives, Montefiore provides primary care services in non-traditional settings.

Through the formation of highly integrated teams of physicians, nurses, social workers, mental health professionals, care managers and other caregivers, we provide care around the patient, when and where they need it.

Research and Education
Montefiore's partnership with Einstein advances clinical and translational research to accelerate the pace at which new discoveries become the treatments and therapies that benefit patients. Together, the two institutions are among 38 academic medical centers nationwide to be awarded a prestigious Clinical and Translational Science Award (CTSA) by the National Institutes of Health.

The second-largest medical residency program in the country, with 1,251 residents and fellows across 89 programs, Montefiore provides the doctors of tomorrow a unique opportunity for education and training in one of the most diverse urban areas in the country — one where the population is global, the disease burden is high, and the need for quality care is great.

The partnership is further strengthened by the dual appointments of faculty and physicians across both organizations—enhancing synergies and collaborations for research, teaching and patient care.

Comprehensive Care Management
Since 1996, Montefiore has developed advanced models of care management to help patients, especially those with chronic diseases such as diabetes, heart failure and mental illness, achieve better health and improved wellbeing in a cost effective way. Montefiore goes beyond fragmented fee-for-service payments, assuming total responsibility for the quality and costs of care for some of our sickest patients.

Through CMO, Montefiore Care Management, we use a global prepayment or similar strategies to manage care for 200,000 individuals over the continuum, including hospital care, rehabilitation, outpatient care, professional services, home care, mental health counseling, community-based services, remote patient monitoring and many other programs.

Our leadership in coordinating care across multiple settings has earned us federal recognition from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services as a Pioneer Accountable Care Organization. Montefiore's ACO is one of only 32 organizations in the nation, as well as the only one in New York State, to operate under this new model of providing Medicare beneficiaries with higher quality care, while reducing expenditures through enhanced care coordination.

Faculty Profile
Dr. Philip O. Ozuah, M.D., Ph.D.
Philip O. Ozuah, M.D., Ph.D.
Professor, Department of Pediatrics (Academic General Pediatrics)

Professor, Department of Epidemiology & Population Health

Professional Interests
Philip O. Ozuah, M.D., Ph.D., serves as professor in the departments of pediatrics and epidemiology & population health at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. He also is President, Montefiore Health System.

Dr. Ozuah joined the faculty of the department of pediatrics at Einstein/Montefiore in 1992 and served as Director of the Residency Training Program in Social Pediatrics from 1999 to 2005. In 2002, he was appointed Vice Chairman for Clinical and Educational Affairs of the Department of Pediatrics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and Montefiore Medical Center, and in 2003 he was promoted to the rank of Professor of Pediatrics and Family Medicine and Community Health. In 2005, he was appointed Interim University Chairman of the Departments of Pediatrics at both the College and Montefiore.

Dr. Ozuah's background includes a Medical Degree from the University of Ibadan, Nigeria; a rotating internship at the University of Nigeria Teaching Hospital; a Masters Degree in Education from the University of Southern California, Los Angeles; and a PhD in Educational Leadership and Administration from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. He served his Pediatric Internship and Residency at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, and his Post-Doctoral Fellowship in Medical Education at the University of Southern California, School of Medicine, Los Angeles.

Dr. Ozuah's research has been focused on environmental exposures and medical education, and has been funded by the NIH, the Health Resources and Services Administration of DHHS, and many private foundations. His bibliography includes more than 110 publications in peer-reviewed journals and books, 200 published abstracts, and more than 250 presentations at national and international scientific meetings. He serves on the Editorial Board of the Journal Ambulatory Pediatrics is a reviewer for a variety of pediatric and environmental health journals, has been appointed to NIH Special Emphasis Panels on Education, and is currently a member of the NIH Study Section of Masters in Clinical Research Training Grants.

He has been the recipient of all the prestigious teaching awards offered by the Albert Einstein College of Medicine as well as its university department of pediatrics, including the William Obrinsky Award for Excellence in Student Teaching, the Lewis M. Fraad Award for Excellence in Resident Teaching, the Harry Gordon Award for Outstanding Clinical Teaching, the Samuel Rosen Award for Outstanding Teaching in the Clinical Curriculum, Leo M. Davidoff Society induction for Outstanding Achievement in Teaching, and induction as a faculty member into Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society. On a national level, the Ambulatory Pediatric Association recognized him in 2004 with its Outstanding Teaching Award and the Ray E. Helfer Award for Innovation in Pediatric Education. He was also the recipient of the APA’s Helfer Award in 2003.

http://www.einstein.yu.edu/faculty/7996/philip-ozuah/

madenigga:
who gives a Bleep, abi your papa dae work there?

we die here.

why would Nigerians open a business, fund it then go to south Africa and obtain a franchise

Why do Chinese and Indians use US Franchise names in China and India? Why are hotel and apartment owners in Europe using Trump's name on their buildings?

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened

Who told you this lies

Are you minding him?

UniversalDove:
Well punctuated write up. Haven't read an article as sweet and eye soothing in a while

Lol. I agree too. When someone has a PhD from Germany (as the writer indicated) what do you expect?

MPSA:
Listen to this Backward P-orn Star,

Please address the question of why black SAs are lazy and enslaved by white people. White SAs are 10% of your population but they own 99% of the wealth and 85% of the land. Unless you are a White SAn, you have no business being alive. You're better off dead. Even the Indian SAn are way ahead of ya''ll.

MPSA:
Oooh Please, All companies that you see in your Country are from South Africa, You have Nothing to beat your Chest of I don't Promote Xenophobic you are talking rubb!$h You aren't even closer to the level of South Africa, That one is a fact

Without the whites in SA ya'll Zulus and Xhosas be dead of hunger. Lazy buffoons whose girls leave for more virile Nigerians. Tell me, what is making ya'll mad about Nigerians in SA? You cant fu-ck ya girls, we fu-ck them for you; you say we give you drugs, then you are foolish and lazy to accept it. Still, 99% of criminal murder and rape in Africa occur in SA and perpetrated by South Africans. The rich Nigerians are richer than the rich South Africans. The poor south Africans are poorer than the poor Nigerians. Only white South Africans are rich and ya''ll work for them as slaves. Can you mention one black South African who has achieved anything globally? If you do, I give you names of 100 Nigerians.

MPSA:
If this is your plan, You will never see South African companies in your Country, You are truly Backward

Nigeria has a bigger economy and market than SA. You need us than we need you. You can deport the 30K Nigerians in your country. You did not have to kill them. Bunch of unthinking lazy barbarians.

DeWisedon:
Those people attacking shoprite will still foolishly recharge their MTN lines and make calls with it and also subscribe to DSTV and GOTV today instead of breaking their Simcards and damaging their DSTV if really they want to boycott SA products....

South Africans are there attacking Nigerians and their businesses and we are here looting Nigeria owned businesses inside shoprite mall amd burning down MTN buildings where Nigerians are working.
Its still a Win Win Situation for South Africa
Una sure say we get sense at all?

Must we behave foolishly like South Africans
Can lack of proper education be the cause of all these in Africa??


Those ones going to shoprite to loot rather than peaceful protest are criminals and deserved to be treated as one.

We are Nigerians and we are Civilized

Clap! Clap!! Clap!!!. You have said it the way I would. Thanks

On the topic, I copied it from Facebook and posted here because I thought the argument was valid that we should not burn and loot SA investments in Nigeria. We should confiscate them, manage them and pay off the Nigerian victims of xenophobia in SA with the profits from them. These Nigerian looters are not the victims. Like their SA counterparts, they are criminals and should be arrested and prosecuted.

Member State Scale of Assessment
Assessed contribution
US$) 2018
Assessed contribution
(US$) 2019

Algeria 9.600
30,554,572.37 (2018)
26,884,393.06 (2019)
Egypt 9.600
30,554,572.37 (2018)
26,884,393.06 (2019)
Nigeria 9.600
30,554,572.37 (2018)
26,884,393.06 (2019)
South Africa 9.600
30,554,572.37 (2018)
26,884,393.06 (2019)
Morocco 9.600
30,554,572.37 (2018)
26,884,393.06 (2019)


https://au.int/sites/default/files/pages/31829-file-au_handbook_2019_english.pdf

These are the big 5 and they pay equally. South Sudan is not there. Who dash ''monkey'' Banana?

GrossPrice:
Egypt, South Sudan, Nigeria, Morocco, and Algeria [/b]are the largest contributors as they form 60 percent of the AU's budget, besides Angola that was recently added to the list, the Egyptian diplomat said.

Egypt, 5 states form 60% of the African Union's budget: Tue, Feb. 12, 2019
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/2/64573/Egypt-5-states-form-60-of-African-Union-s-budget

.[/b]

South Sudan? Much doubt there. Perhaps they meant South Africa


Actually none of those countries are the biggest donors to the AU. Non-African Countries (US, EU, China and Turkey) are. Then I think South Africa and Nigeria as well as Egypt, Algeria and Morocco are among the top African donors.

However, 72 per cent of the AU budget is funded by external partners, which creates risks associated with fiscal constraints experienced by the economies of these partners and over dependence, thereby undermining ownership of programmes by Africans.

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/Sponsored/Financing-of-the-Union-By-Africa-for-Africa/4358802-4685156-vdy982/index.html

Iamgrey5:
The board of directors are selected by share holders to oversee a company.

The shareholders (ordinary shareholders) are the real owners of the company.

You are a dunce. Board Members are typically part and parcel of the company shareholding. They are in most cases among the biggest shareholders in any profit making company. Go verify

Iamgrey5:
Bro in a structure of a company



The board are not the shareholders

What does that mean? You saying Board members are not shareholders? Duh!!

Xenophobia: Belief that Shoprite, MTN, DSTV, others are owned by South Africans erroneous – Saraki

https://abiaonline.com.ng/2019/09/04/xenophobia-belief-that-shoprite-mtn-dstv-others-are-owned-by-south-africans-erroneous-saraki/?fbclid=IwAR1ac9BMH0P8IAW6n7hFwPOiBSYUMFDMMZbyo73SQx_PIJv1qEcgmtYeSEU

Buhahaha! Exactly what the above article is talking about.

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SA vs Nigeria – I am sorry, but the field is skewed.
Yesterday, instead of reprisal looting and burning, I suggested a seizure of so-called SA companies by the Federal Government of Nigeria for the sole purpose of compensations for the dead and for properties destroyed by xenophobes in South Africa (SA). Seizure while negotiating would have allowed Nigeria a little wiggle room in a situation that is already badly skewed against it. If the Nigerian govt was alive and working, it would have known that a reprisal was looming and would have been proactive to counter such. But the government is dead and decaying. So, not much is expected of it. Alas, today, there have been news of looting and burning of SA companies across Nigeria.
The big question though is, who really owns the so-called South African companies in Nigeria? The looters, before bringing their looting and burning barbarism into the situation, made no effort to ask that simple question- how would they, bunch of hungry touts. Guess what? For the first time, I am agreeing with a government official, Lai Mohamed, who said Nigeria will stand to lose more if we destroy so-called South African investments in Nigeria. Here are a few signs that is true. Does anyone believe for a second that a company from SA will invest billions in Nigeria without significant, if not equal or more co-investment by Nigerians? Just as an example, take a look at the Board and Management of MTN.
Board:
Dr. Pascal Gabriel Dozie, CON
Chairman, Board of Directors
Col. Muhammed Sani Bello (rtd)
Vice Chairman, Board of Directors
Ahmed Dasuki
Non-Executive Director
Ferdi Moolman
Executive Director
Mr. Gbenga Oyebode
Non-Executive Director
Jens Schulte-Bockum
Non-Executive Director
Karl Olutokun Toriola
Executive Director
Paul Norman
Non-Executive Director
Ralph Mupita
Non-Executive Director
Mr. Rhidwaan Gasant
Independent Non-Executive Director
Rob Shuter
Executive Director
Chief Victor Odili, OON
Non-Executive Director
Dr. Ernest Ndukwe
Non-Executive Director
Babatunde Folawiyo
Non-Executive Director

How is that a truly SA-owned company? You know what it could mean to be on the Board of a profit-making company, right? In case you don't, it could mean you have substantial shares in it.
Management:
Ferdi Moolman
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)
Adekunle Awobodu
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)
Adekunle Adebiyi
Chief Sales & Distribution Officer (CSDO)
Lynda Saint-Nwafor
Chief Enterprise Business Officer (CEBO)
Esther Akinnukawe
Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO)
Rahul DE
Chief Marketing Officer (CMO)
Tobechukwu Okigbo
Chief Corporate Relations Officer (CCRO)
Mohammed Rufai
Chief Technical Officer (CTO)
Ugonwa Nwoye
Chief Customer Services Officer (CCSO)
Uto Ukpanah
Company Secretary
Randy Bikraj
Chief Information officer (CIO)
Cyril Ilok
Chief Risk & Compliance Officer (CRCO)
Mazen Mroue
Chief Operating Officer
Bayo Adekanbi
Chief Transformation Officer (CTO)
Srivinas Rao
Chief Digital Officer (CDO)
Do a quick math and tell me the ratio of Nigerians to non-Nigerians on the list. Take a minute to google similar information for DSTV, STANBIC Bank and others. Many of the smaller investments such as Shoprite, I bet you, are SA franchises owned locally by Nigerians too. Now, you are actually looting and burning your own investments. You are sending millions of your own employed and under-employed back to the gutters of unemployment; and SA folks are laughing at you right now. To make matters worse, the looters looted all shops in a Mall, without asking which is Nigerian-owned. I watched a video of a Nigerian woman who owned a store in the Mall in Lagos where Shoprite was looted. Her store was looted alongside, and she was weeping and lamenting. Nigeria has not provided employment for the old unemployed. How can they do so for the newly unemployed?
Information from the internet indicates that there are about 30K+ Nigerians living in SA. This number is likely for those staying there legally and accounted for. Thousands more will be there illegally and those are some of the ones giving the South Africans a reason to be xenophobic. I watched a TV panel of South Africans analyzing some of these issues yesterday. I both agreed and disagreed with some of their points. Now, there are 100s of Nigerian professors in the best universities in SA. Take, for example, Prof Linus Opara who is a world-class Post Harvest Scientist and FAO-grade Consultant and a Research Chair at University of Stellenbosch. Take also Prof Eno Ebenso, who is a Dean at North West University and one of the most cited researchers in the world in the field of Physical Chemistry. There are also 100s of Nigerian doctors in SA hospitals; some even own their own clinics (please watch a video I shared yesterday for an indication of that fact). Then there are traders, artisans, small services providers, students and others. Indeed, in recent years, many Nigerian PhD holders have obtained their degree in SA universities, in many cases with scholarship from SA. Lastly, there are the bad guys (fraudsters and drug dealers); they are very small in terms of population. But as we all know, crime is always the loudest. These top-notch Nigerian professors and doctors are not the ones being hounded on the streets of SA by xenophobic urchins; at least not yet. But depending on the action that Nigeria takes, things can swiftly go south and ugly in that regard. In contrast, do we know how many South Africans are in Nigeria? I can bet they would be just a handful. You will not find them as Profs in Nigerian universities, nor as Doctors in Nigerian hospitals. You will not find them trading in stores and working as artisans and small service providers. They are managers in the companies related to SA. In fact, for those who are burning and looting so-called SA businesses in Nigeria, may I ask who it was you chased away from those stores before looting? The answer: fellow Nigerians who work as cashiers, checkers, cleaners, sorters etc.
Certain evidences indicate that the SA authorities are secretly supporting and goading the killing, looting and destruction of African immigrants and their properties in SA. The SA government has sold the usual crap talk about foreigners being the enemy to the ignorant masses to cover their inability to create jobs for their people. We see that everywhere, including in America. Now, imagine if the SA authorities go a step further and ask these Nigerian professionals (university professors and doctors) to leave? I do not know enough about the immigration and citizenship system in SA. But I am hoping that these long-standing professionals have become SA citizens. In that case, they cannot be asked to leave -just like that. For those among them who are mere residents, even if legal, they can be easily replaced with others from Venezuela, Cuba, Kenya, Ghana (already a lot of them in SA) and other countries. After quickly burning and looting our own investments in the name of retaliation, what card do we have next to play if it gets to this? I looked up the possibility of African countries affected by xenophobia in SA working with The African Union (AU) to sanction SA. But alas, I learned in the process that SA is as much a big donor to AU as Nigeria. You know what that means, right? SA will simply threaten to withdraw its own funding, and AU will become at least half silent. So, it would seem that head or tail, Nigeria is not wining this one.
The only solution is for Nigerians to take back their country from the bad leaders at all levels who have not provided jobs for them; who have not built good universities and hospitals where they and some of us abroad would be happy to come back and work; and who have not secured their citizens in Nigeria, let alone secure them abroad. If Nigeria was well run since 1960, many of the top-notch and criminal elements will not be fleeing the country the way we do. In fact, one of the SA panelists I spoke about previously asked what African countries who got their independence have been doing since 1960 that their citizens have to come to SA in droves and destroy their (SA) country and take jobs from citizens. From where I was watching I did not have an answer to that question. He said, ''we can manage your doctors and engineers and professors; we do not need your traders and small services providers. We have enough of those''. All things considered, would you really blame them?
Which brings me to a little digression: When I completed my PhD in 2009 in Germany, I applied for a Job at a Nigerian university because I was ready to come back. I was told by a friend who helped submit my application that the VC was not happy with me because I addressed the application letter as ‘’Dear Sir’’, instead of ‘’Dear Vice Chancellor’’. He asked that I write a new letter. But I did not follow up. Meanwhile, in Germany, I called my professor by her name as though we were mates. Such is the crass pettiness of your leaders, both big (such as presidents and governors) and small (such as VCs and religious leaders).
The only good that may come out of all of this for Nigeria is if burning and looting of so-called SA companies (actually substantially owned by Nigerians) will affect the wealthy Nigerians involved in those companies, so that they will help push the much-needed revolution/restructuring. Just look at the names of those Nigerians on MTN Board - the same recycled crooks who benefited from the crooked system, either directly, or as proxies to the crooked politicians. I rest my case.

Very incisive
Mynd44 please take to Front Page, for a balanced opinion on this matter

Protests are one of the few ways the citizens can keep the leaders accountable. It is even enshrined in the US constitution as part of the rights and responsibilities of citizens. The other ways are not voting for incompetent, nepotic and corrupt leaders. This is a welcome development.

plaindealer:
It took you forever to get to Tinubu, this is what people like you do, they run to Tinubu in the absence of facts and sensible views.

Tinubu is not the topic.

Tinubu is not facts.

Please stop pretending. It's the anticipated SW presidency STUPID. Now could you kindly address my question of whether after Tinubu/Osibanjo finishes two terms in 2031 and Nigeria does not get significantly better you will be inclined to Nigeria separating at that time? Or it is never at all? If never at all, may I ask why? Do you not want the SW to be able to independently charts its own course and cater for the Yoruba RACE?

ChiefOlabowla:
This data or analysis is flawed, incongruent and imbalance. Wait!!! I am not a suporter of the present government. But see the 2 indexes I circled. They are indicating that the current government has a better ' Ease of doing Business environment' and better 'Economic Forum competitiveness'.

How did they come to agree with these two conclusions when the other indexes are not are all indicating worsened conditions in the current government??

What are you reading?

2014 2018
147 > 145
127 > 115
> = greater than.

plaindealer:
You are entitled to your flawed and myopic opinion, but not facts.

We know for you it's about Osibanjo/Tinubu in 2023. May I ask you a question. After Tinubu/Osibanjo finishes two terms in 2031 and Nigeria does not get significantly better (which some of us believe it will not) will you be inclined to Nigeria separating at that time? I am just curious if for you (and people like you) it is a matter of time, or it is never at all.

I was never a separation person but after seeing the gloom that's coming, I am beginning to support the idea. It just needs to be thoughtful and agreed by all.

plaindealer:
You are entitled to your flawed and myopic opinion, but not facts.

Bloomberg is an IPOB Youth publication.

This is not suppose to be news to any discerning mind. It is obviously so.