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Exactly what we've been saying...

Sealeddeal:
Oba said that Some Yoruba are slaves and children of slaves.

Olu317:
Odudua/Oduduwa is a corruption of Izoduwa? How is it really pronounced? Is Ododua or Izoduwa or Ekeherledan the coward? I thought odudua is a royal name in Bini/Edo lexicon? What iz the meaning and I will expose your ignorance to the world. Mind you,if you don't respond, I will still infer on the meaning of Odu ti o da uwa /iwa .Ignorance is a disease ,Mr. steveosaz

Keep that Your useless odu to da iwa crap. That's why I said you people keep spinning stories around objects and then call it history.

Coming up with odu to da iwa is a really dumb thing to do.

Moneywomen17:
e pain am well bow to ooni ur king owes his throne to him

Hahahaha...

Please quickly see the Alaafin for your proper education on this. Stop cannibalizing history.

The ooni is and would forever remain an impostor. He should tell the world where he comes from.

That is why your kings behave like bastards because they undeservedly occupy thrones they shouldn't.

Olu317:
What can he say? Udo/ Aka/Ika that was defeated dynastically, linguistically and religiously can never look their conqueror in the face . They are the ones that brought this shame on themselves because, without the incoherent outburst of their Oba Erediuwa won't had led to the exposure of who was the ancestor of their kingly Oba lineage. Do you know these people thought Yoruba were gods so much that they don't bear names associated with the king. In fact, many names of their king does not have a meaning in Edo lexicon. Names like
Eweka I, Olua,Oreoghene, Ododua etc are Royal names but does not have meaning in Edo lexicon. Does this not show,we ,Yoruba thought them what they know? Before, the advent of Oba,they never had successful family dynasty patterned after Yoruba Ébi system. Again, such title like: Oliha, Osuma, Osula,Osuan etc are palace titles without meaning in Edo lexicon. Where did the title emanated from? Answers, they have not. Yet these set of clowns will come online and try to destroy Yoruba impacts on Biniland and Edo as a whole. Far be from it because we will reset their malfunctioning knowledge aright so that they see Yorubas and show us a lot of respect because what we did in Ile Ubinu/Ibini .

Oduduwa is meaningless in Yoruba. What you con artists did was to spin a likely meaning to it.Just as has been demonstrated over and over in Lagos which still has Edo landmarks till this day, as well as corruption in names originally Edo, thats how Yoruba also corrupted Izoduwa to become Oduduwa. No respect for Yoruba ever. That has been clearly established. You are slaves and it's a taboo everywhere in the world to accord respect to slaves.

Moneywomen17:
what culture is bigger than bini who worship Yoruba god name their children Yoruba name u probably have a Yoruba name too what’s ur Yoruba name is it dele? That’s what u called colonization leaving ur mark on ur subject. Yoruba mark on Benin can never be washed away even if u try to chai

Your entire culture is a derivative of Benin hegemony. Oduduwa your progenitor was only but a son in Edo. That was the genesis of Edo lordship over yoruba.

The little regard I had for Yoruba prior to coming here has been completely eroded. Your history is purr hogwash. Too many version. Which do we believe?

You come here to pretend meanwhile, we all know your entire race is in disarray. The order that exists among northern traditional rulers submitting to the authority of the Sultan is totally absent in your own case. I repeat, Yoruba has no history. Its all pure ccock and bull stories that you all have taken up the unfortunate burden of believing.

Moneywomen17:
in this thread alone we already found out Benin attack some few kingdom in ekiti who later came back for revenge and took their land and women and also their ogiso is dumb and elkhadaren is a fraud let’s see what davidnaze will expose to us next

This thread only exposed the fraud called ooni as alluded to by the Oba of Benin, the Alaafin of Oyo, the Olugbo of Ugbo and many others. We also know that Yoruba actually doesn't have any meaningful history as what you have is just revisions, distortions and fraudulent constructions. That's why supremacy battles are common place amongst you.
Yoruba is thoroughly empty. We've also seen that the entire yo-ROBBERland was the biggest slave market in Africa. Your forefathers were so greedy that they couldn't even wait for others to sell their people as slaves, but had to do it themselves. That my friend is what you sham and scam stories expose.

Moneywomen17:
history 105 after the Benin were easily defeated by the owo and every Benin chased from akure back to Benin an army led by ogedengbe conquered into the heart of Benin village and conquer their way through Benin murdering every chief and community leader along the way and parading their dead body around to show who the new ruler of their land his and also taking numerous slave as price. In the capital Benin the king quickly came out to beg the warrior ogedengbe and offered him numerous wealth and female slave to appease him which he took along with one of the king wife. Chai Benin boys cowardice no be here begging instead of fighting smh

Another amala voodoo historian. This is the figment of imagination of a deluded mind. Meanwhile the same Owo is today practicing Edo culture which is clearly evident even tithe blind.
That's the colonization I was talking about little boy.

Obalufon:
Your chiefs and oba were stripped naked in the street flogged dehumanized by ijaws askari soldiers that fought along the brits and the chiefs were later hung openly like the dogs left to rot hanging without proper burial ..

Hahahaha... Don't worry, no matter the amount of lies you peddle, it wouldn't change the fact that the Oba had your coward Deji of Akure beheaded openly before his subjects in the market square. That was raw hard justice.

Obalufon:
You people are animals you can't be ruled indirectly you need to be ruled directly with brutal force . The north was also ruled indirectly because they have a good system of governance likewise south west too ..Also they were very sensitive about ruling us direct they knew the implication you can't rule an empire directly or caliphate directly there will be uprising ..but a little kingdom you can rule

You mean Oyo which hand gone under the river as early as the 1820s? Stop being stupid OK. The British never had any preference for you. The Hausa Fulani, your overlords have always been the beautiful bride. They were selected as successors of the British while your people were busy as usual making noise.
Funny enough, you were being ruled directly yourselves because you were animals fighting internecine wars and the British had to actually in to save you from yourselves. Spinners of history.

MayorofLagos:
I give salute and respect to all my Yoruba brothers in here. I acknowledge your good works and output. You have done impressively well and gained the upper hand in this matter. How you guys pulled that ekhaladeran stunt off beats me! That was a major beat down in my opinion. Kudos guys!

Baba I thank you oo! I have actually been on and off as guest since page 10 and observed things from the side. Im coming in because I felt we should set some truths on both sides about this whole drama.


I address this to my people.

Let us be mindful and stay consistent on what we know to be truthful. Has anyone ever thought about the etymology of Bini? How about the etymology of Edo? Both of these words have origin in Yoruba. Bini is corrupted from Ibinu and Edo is corrupted from Ado. The etymology of Bini is the Yoruba word for vexation. If it was possible to own rights to the name Bini, Oranmiyan would hold the right. Oramiyan coined the name in his native Yoruba language. The name was then donated to a new found-land. How about Edo, how did it come about? This one will need a bit explanation. The root word is "do". "Do", as in sex is a living application of the root word. The etymology of the word is "coupling". I am not a linguist nor an ethnographer but the few things Im learning in Yoruba has helped to expand my curiosities and spheres of knowledge. Yoruba philosophy teaches the duality and opposite forces of nature. Anytime you "couple" the opposite you yield a result. We don't know what result will come out, so we proactively approach Ifa to give us guidance. To settle a place our ancestors used the Ifa geo-matrix to "Te Do". Where Ifa says settle, they named it "A do". They will perform "etutu" (sacrifice) and "irubo" (offering) and placate all the forces of nature and element to couple on that spot and bring about a sacredness. This is the knowledge behind the sacredness of the many ADO towns in Yorubaland.

The party that left with Oranmiyan from Ife did not go to Bini or Edo, these names did not exist then. They first settled at a land that geo-matrix picked. On this land they performed ritual of sacred coupling and named it Ado. It later became known as Udo. The foreigners from lfe settled Udo.

Udo was not the land of the Ogisos. The Ogiso land was Igodomigodo and this is where Oranmiyan renamed to Ile Ibinu. With time culture and civilization of the foreigners became the mainstream social order and Ogiso went into disuse, likewise Igodomigodo. The ruler is no longer Ogiso but is now Omo N'Oba N'Udo. With time the two capitals, Udo and Bini, became one after the Oba relocated from Udo to Bini. At that point Edo had become the preferred use. So Bini and Edo were imports that replaced Igodomigodo. Bini represents political power, Edo represent the spiritual energy.

So it makes sense as some of you have done to separate and acknowledge ownership of Bini and shield it from denigration. The opponents we are debating against are descendants of Igodomigodo, not Bini or Edo, but we will concede Edo for them because they are the indigenous owners of the land, Oranmiyan did not bring land from Ife. Therefore let's be mindful, Yoruba insults ourselves when we insult Bini. We do justice when we insult Edo and igodomigodo.



The other point I want to make is I am very proud of the way you guys don't engage them in the caustic use of vulgar and abusive language. You are capable of returning the favor, no doubt....but they showed sign they were falling apart and had no logical and superior points left to argue on beside repetition. The emptiness could not be concealed they bursted out with name calling and shooting below the belt. They collapsed under the weight of your pressure.


Oodua A Gbe wa!

Here's another ragtag idiot with no sense of direction. Clearly drunk on fraudulent information prepared and cooked by Y0ruba and his likes. After reading through this drivel, couldn't find a shred of sense on there.

Anyway, you are a lesser evil.

Moneywomen17:
the only tribe ever conquered by ibo in history is Benin people fact and they did it in under 24 hours damn. Now Benin was actually the one Bleep igala defeat u several Yoruba sub tribe took their town and subjugated Benin for years and ruled over u. Ogedengbe took their turn freely in the heart of ur kingdom took ur land and ur women as sex slave. Btw how do u feel being the only tribe in history ibo ever conquered shame don dey catch me small small for Benin villages same ibo that 500 Yoruba sent packing in ore conquered ur whole benin village chai

See confirmed coward talking. Which Yoruba sent Igbo parking at ore? It was Nig army(mainly northern officers) your Fulani overlords that came to your rescue. The Igbo's who actually hate you people like shit are a more sensible people that the ever lying and ridiculously insane Yoruba. That the Igbo withstood mortar and heavy battle for 3 years is enough to show they ain't your equal. Yoruba was basically peeing in their pants all the while.

Moneywomen17:
bla bla e pain am ogedengbe lead warrior went into the heart of Benin kingdom conquer ur land and ruled ur people before ur king begged for mercy true history

You are particularly one dumb pig for a woman. you clearly should be in the motor park.

Moneywomen17:
he is just repeating thesame pattern of the way ibo argue on nairaland. For example if u bring fact to counter ibo or say anything they don’t like instead of them to disprove it u will see things like ewedu amala gbegiri coward tiger clawed face oduduwa fallen demon and so many more. If u read davidnaze comment well u will see he is following thesame pattern that’s how u know how pained they are lol

Good that you know these adjectives are used to describe your people. That's because that's actually what you are.

Moneywomen17:
show us the Yoruba person u think I will take ur word for it u are a pained liar.

Poor attempt. You can do better. Just contact you Hausa cousins up north, they'll confirm to you while crying.

Moneywomen17:
ur land was all conquered and British direct rule impose why egba was still self governing u were all slave to the British before the whole of Yoruba fell to the British

Egba self governing? even satan would bow to you as a grandmaster of lies... Hahahaha.

Benin remains the last kingdom to fall. Who even knew the one street egba? People that small Ake king is thier Alake are the ones you now hide behind.

You be olodo rabata.

Moneywomen17:
do u understand the word assimilation despite the fact ur oba is Yoruba descendant doesn’t he identify as Benin today. Anyway am glad I knock some sense into ur head about ur foolish claim that Islamic name is Hausa name. slowpoke u are.

So a name like Maigida is Islamic name abi? I know a Yoruba politician up north by name Hamza Danlami, that one too na Islamic name abi? When I said you are an imbecille(misspelling deliberately intended), its glaringly obvious now.

Olu317:
Oba Bini was not hung because of his ancestor was Ooni. Yoruba pleaded with the British not to hang him..... This is the reason the chiefs were not spared..... Bloody set of ignorant people.

Yoruba that was already a conquered slave market at the time.... Lol. Children and descendants of slaves would never cease to amaze me.

Moneywomen17:
e pain u well show me where Yoruba person that bear maigada liar there was no bait taken dumbass and there is no Hausa version of any name dumbass let me explain it to u well so u understand. Osman is spelled as usman in Nigeria but it’s still pronounce as osman same with Bokhari called buhari but still pronounce as bokhari. The spelling is only the way it was written down not a change but ur dumbass won’t know that. U are the only one saying Hausa culture is superior to yoruba not me. Second obanikoro is an edo descendant who have assimilate into Yoruba which explain his last name just like oshidi tapa and others. E pain u well osaz Yoruba culture is intact that’s why ur people are naming their children Yoruba worshipping yoruba gods kiss the truth.

You are truly senseless. Obanikoro was asked to identity himself recently and he said he was Yoruba and Yoruba he is. Don't deny your brother. Your tribe is a dilapidated building falling apart. Accept that reality.

Obalufon:
British think of you people as barbaric savages that needed to burnt at stake ... the order given by the British was to capture your king and hang him and his chiefs ..But they spare the king and hung the senior chiefs openly as a deterrent for other like you people ...

That they didn't kill the king was a mark of respect, but the Edos knowing yorubas to be cowards didn't accord them such respect since after all, your people were just marketable slaves and that's why the Oba of Benin had the Deji of Akure beheaded openly before his subjects.

Moneywomen17:
chai don’t cry I know it hurts but the past is the past just cause yoruba had their turn colonize u and British took their turn then Yoruba again doesn’t mean u are a failure well it kinda does. Till today yoruba have leave their mark on u like a runaway slave. When u bear name like Dele and someone ask u if u were Yoruba even though u are edo that’s a long lasting mark my boy accept ur master mark he’ll be proud of it ok boyioo

This is you wiping you tears after a good spank. But don't worry, the Edos tried their best to save you from slavery, but the stigma is for a lifetime. Everyone knows yorubas are slaves, cowards, lilly livered bastards who only do well in noise making.
Bow to your supreme masters. Even the entire culture of Owo was basically substituted to become just like that of Benin and it has remained so till tomorrow.

Moneywomen17:
dumbass like u who told u name like usman is Hausa name. Those are Islamic name dumbass soon u will tell us that buhari is Fulani name or that sanusi is Fulani name too. Ur people bear full Yoruba name with only Yoruba interpretations coz of colonial history of Yoruba over u simple. E pain u well

I knew you will stupidly fall for the trap being the slowpoke that you are. Usman is the Hausa version of the name. Meanwhile, I've seen yorubas bear real hardcore Hausa names like Maigida. So is that one also an Islamic name? Ode! So you accept your culture is inferior to Hausa culture. Isn't that just a shame.

This is why you people still worship the very ground those Hausa Fulani walk on and kiss their feet's at every opportunity.

But you stupidly forgot that not only Edo bear Yoruba names, even Yoruba also bear Edo names. Obanikoro, an Edo name is being borne by people who call themselves Yoruba today. Bajulaiye is a corruption of Bazuaye.

Yoruba has no pride nor honor and that explains why many of your people are renouncing their Yoruba identity and taking up Hausa Fulani identity. That's a sign of implosion.

davidnazee:
Who dash am magician? That suegbe?
He is a coward like his kind..

The guy na beans. Coming here to spew quackery all over.

I am waiting for him.

Moneywomen17:
dabidnaze e pain u well if u like scream coward louder than the ibo man it won’t change that fact that the people u earlier attacked and won with the use of modern warfare came back right to the heart of ur kingdom and conquer ur land led by the courageous ogedengbe Benin boys bow to their knee and beg the ekiti warriors to have mercy I have never seen any bother as weak as that u can’t even fight back shior I spit in Benin weaklings.

Don't be rude boy, where did you keep your manners?
That's no way to talk to your first colonial masters. We colonized you, ruled you, took you as slaves and when your second colonial masters(The British) came and started lumping you guys on Europe bound ships like sardines, it was the same Edos (your eternal benefactors) that were once again saving many yorubas from the whites from being sold to slavery INA foreign land. I am sure, one or more of your forefathers must have been a beneficiary of this Edo generous gesture otherwise, you probably would have been a citizen of Sierra Leone today.

Moneywomen17:
e pain the steveosaz well ogedengbe lead forces suyanized ur Benin people well and till today like a good colonial people u bear Yoruba like Nigerians bear English name u worship Yoruba god like sango like Nigerians worship British god and so many more that’s the real effect of colonization if i have ever seen one.

Everyone is at liberty to bear whatever they wish OK. But let's even use your own maxim, are you indirectly telling us that Yorubas who now bear typically Hausa names like Usman, Salihu, Garba are doing so because your culture is not as sophisticated as Hausa culture?

This is your litmus test, let's hear from you, slavebuoy.

Y0ruba:
http://research.iaun.ac.ir/pd/shafiee-nahrkhalaji/pdfs/UploadFile_2857.pdf


You are a complete mo.r0n.

Quote me no further, goodbye.

Again, the coward in you keeps playing out. Aren't you just one headless chicken?

You don't have to run away so early because I still have a lot of whup ass in store for you.

You ain't a historian, you are a conjurer, a magician.

Y0ruba:
As usual, no academic citations to back up your many tirades. I’ll say this the Alaafin, the Olugbo, you & your king have a lot of well researched works in History, Anthropology & Archeology that took almost the entirety of 20th century to contend with, a lot.

Any of your posts to me with no indicated references will get no response from me.

That's the coward in you talking.
If you were actually intellectual as you want us to believe, you would have known that research doesn't essentially entail digging into the past, because the past most times is fraught with errors, but about finding new things that hitherto weren't known.

Pluto since around 1930 had been on schools curriculum all over the world and had been taught to be the nineth planet. This was discarded in 2005 after new research confirmed that Pluto is not a planet but just an asteroid. Imagine using such publications between 1930 and 2005 for referencing and see how lost you would be. Those books you keep quoting are antiquated garbages. The book by the Oba of Benin is first hand source information on this matter and remains the most clearly illustrated version of the story of Oduduwa.

Though, these your magical books might continue to serve your purpose within your immediate interest of rewriting and distorting Yoruba history. Good luck with that.

Y0ruba:
1. Ugbo were not warriors. They were not at war with their fellow Ugbo.

2. Osangan Obamakin took over the throne after Oduduwa. Moremi came into the picture during the reign of Obalufon II. How was she Osangan Obamakin’s wife again? Smh

3. Osangan Obamakin was Oramfe’s comtemporary & not his son. Like Oramfe, he was one of the 16 elders of Ife. Oramfe’s children were Ososo, Bamideyi, Oluyoko, Orasusi & Orayigba.

4. Ile’ro or Ile Ero was the place captured Ugbo were later resettled. When they were first captured, they were locked up in Ile Ugbo, a place withon the palace walls existing today but they did not come to fight and neither should dey be prisoners in their own lands and they were taken to Ilero from where they moved back to their Iwinrin section.

5. Osangan Obamakin never left Ife. The person who led that group of Ugbo out of Ife was Obawinrin.


You see the absurdity you refer to as history? You seem to enjoy revisionism a lot.

These books below were written in the 80s & are far removed from politics-influenced revisionism of today.

All those crap you wrote together with those crappy and very poorly written books you snapshot are in conflict with what the Olugbo in council are saying. Mind you, the Olugbo has written a book on this subject, have you bothered getting the book and going through it? Those who have challenged the lies of ooni have gone to the extent of writing books to document the truth of the matter as it relates to them vis the book written by Oba of Benin and the one written by Olugbo of Ugbo. Yet in all these, ooni has not been able to pen down a single line in his own defense. This is because the ooni is an illiterate on historical matters as well as the fact that even the little he knows is something he dares not make public otherwise a revolt in Ife might happen.

The Ugbo have clearly stated that they constantly launched attacks on ife and you are here posting useless publications that have no currency from the perspective of objectivity.

rhektor:
Name those legends with their accomplishments as well as documents within Edo and outside Edo to back up your claims


Please no insult

Just back off before the sledge hammer falls on you.

Read through earlier posts and stop being lousy. I have said it before that Yoruba has no history. What you call history is what was put down by dubious and compromised people like Y0ruba. This is why there are several version, editions and revisions to your history. What you call history has been badly distorted and doctored.

Meanwhile, none of you is ready to address the serious issues I raised about what the number one king in yorubaland, Alaafin of Oyo said about the ooni. I really am going to get you all to the point where you would begin to ask yourselves why the ooni is even regarded as a king in yorubaland in the first place. Because the ooni being a slave boy of Oduduwa shouldn't have been made king. His being regarded as a king is an aberration.

davidnazee:
Chai.. that’s all ur can say? That was a very weak response, the weakest response so far from the Yorubas in the forum. Clap for ur self, u just won the award for weakest response.. Babaramota won award for the most moronic Yoruba in the forum, Y0ruba won award for the most foolish Yoruba scholar and now u don win too.
Yoruba never ceases to amaze.

We have our own legends but we don’t brag about them because it’s just legends. We prefer real things that can be verified..

BabaRamota is the biggest fool of them all. The foolishness of the guy is legendary.

Y0ruba is a historical magician. He sits in one small hut in Ife and conjures history like a herbalist.

This Olu317 is a clown. I have always had to laugh whenever I read his post. I enjoy his post more than any other Yoruba crook here. The guy practically runs a circus show. Lol...

In the meantime, this is how Yoruba kings degrade royalty by engaging in frivolities with commoners.

This is the Oba of Lagos and Tinubu's son.
There is no where in the whole world where kings indulge in public show of shame like this other than in yorubaland. Yet they say they have a history. History my foot!

Y0ruba:
This exactly is the type of stupidity your Oba displayed wheb he wrote that book. Both of you share a similarity of looking at Ife history from the outside. Sorry to burst your bubble, it works differently.

As for what you emboldened in my previous post. Your king’s progenitor was a Yoruba man, hence, he is Yoruba. Also, Kings own the lands & the people in it. It is not a problem if Yoruba folks think Oba Bini is Yoruba & consequently, Bini [not edo] & the people is Yoruba.

Please tell us what Yoruba town attacked Ife ever, use a source please. And your lack of ability to read is why you do not know Ife is made up of Ugbo, including Oduduwa. And only one section of Ugbo wanted rotation of crown between the 13 Ugbo communities to continue as opposed to having a paramount king. This group were from Iwinrin quarters. They didn’t even come to attack Ife, they periodically came to worship some deities at intervals from Igbo forest [still in Ife]. It was the costume they wore to hide their identity which caused chaos in Ife who attacked, captured them & revealed their identities. They were taken back t their quarters and other Ugbos appeased them to come back home. Most moved back & the remnant are those who left the Igbo forest & moved on to where they are now.

See:

The ancient constitution of Ife Ooyelagbo by Fasogbon, M. O

50 Years in the History of Ile Ife by Oba Adesoji Aderemi by Omotoso Eluyemi

Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, C. 1300 by Susan P Blier.

Hahahaha, see how you finally commit intellectual harakiri - ripping your stinky belly out.

You don't want us to look at Ife history from an outside perspective, but you are here just like your brainless Yoruba compatriots advancing you putrid views about Bini/Edo from an outside perspective.

If I cannot tell ife story from an outsiders perspective, then you clearly do not have the right to tell Edo story being a bloody outsider yourself. And isn't it a case of senility for you to now claim the very number one insider-the Oba of Benin is wrong fro. His own direct sources.

So you now expect us to open our doors to allow pillagers like you come in, see A and report B. You must be sick!