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Y0ruba:
You’re a fxxxking Arrow.

Look at the Map of Naija.

Present day Ekiti state is made up of the 16 kingdoms & their dependencies. Point out Ekiti state.

Look at how small the entire state is.

Then look at the towns in the southern part of the state. Yes, the southern area Bini invaded was very tiny.

You’re welcome.

And since you asked, I am from Ife. I await your story about how Bini burnt it down. And while at it include references.

Your being from Ife is what propels you to strive so hard to protect the fraud you all ooni. To extent that you dismiss the Alaafin's claims and also that of the Olugbo. Even the Awujale, you also dismissed.

I told you , you are a voodoo historian who should be a local herbs mixer.

Y0ruba:
Every town claim to have come from Ife & their kings were sons of Odudywa. As a result they tend to invent narratives to suit & embellish their perspective.

Have you read Ife’s history of Ife? Why bother about what Olugbo said, Alaafin & so on when Ife has its own history and the families involved.

I’m not going to waste my time here. Several posters have told you the backgrounds to the different narraives & given you proper stuff.

The several poster had only succeeded in adding salt to injury. They were utterly incoherent and dubious just like yourself. Contradictions were like rastals all through their arguments.

Because most of what you people call stories are actually things that never happened but were purely the figment of the imagination of certain people, that's why the stories lack alignment and currency.

Just the way a country comes up with national symbols such as national anthems, design of flags, coat of arms and the likes, that's the same way Yoruba people formulated most of those stories to fit into a picture they are frantically trying to sell to the world about being a great tribe. You find artifacts and then spin a story around it. Till eternity, Yoruba would never achieve unity in their historical perspectives.

Again, we cannot wave off what the Olugbo or the Alaafin of Oyo is saying. They are calling attention to grave historical distortions and imposition in Ife. And as far as objectivity is concerned, the ooni has questions to answer. He must tell everyone who he really is and where he came from. That he is a slave is no longer in doubt, but what is crying for explanation is where is he from. Where was he bought from and how did he get himself accepted as king. These are what he is being told to elaborate on that he has been running away from. Alaafin is number one monarch in yorubaland while Oduduwa's roots remain in Benin.

Y0ruba:
If there’s nothing like Yoruba history then there’s nothing like Bini history.

Your inability to buy & read books is why you have made this careless statement.

Caucasians of different ethnicities have dedicated their entires lives to testing & studying Yoruba history. Yet a dimeit like you with a cheap axx brick phone is talking glib. Smh.

Let me restate it again, there's nothing like Yoruba history- its a fraud perpetrated for several years. What you fools now call Yoruba history is only a collection of fairytales with divergent versions and editions. I've never seen anywhere there has been an abuse of history than with the Yoruba. I told you guys earlier, streamline your Oduduwa perspective first before you can be taken serious. You are currently painting yourselves as comedians before the world.

Y0ruba:
And you think core research lies in weblinks & freebooks? Oh you think archival documents lie in free weblinks? You have a poverty of the mind & poverty of the pocket. Book you nor fit expend money ontop, smh. No wonder you are dumb & can’t provide citations to Bini researchers.

Engaging you is hurtful to my level of intellect, you have added zilch to this discourse. You only want to argue blindly. I don’t do that.

I deal with referenced points. If you are bot going to & cannot do this providing Bini authors, then you can fly away.

You have again shifted you line a little forward to include core research not in web links and free books.

Indeed, your level of intellect is pitiably nose facing the gutters. You are exactly the type of beans scholars whose quackery make white people believe that blacks are incapable of doing proper academic work.

You shamelessly stated it elsewhere that Yoruba dubious authors always went to the Benin palace to gather information, only for them to go skew whatever information they got to paint a less glorious picture of the kingdom; something the immediate past Oba felt was a drift which needed urgent correction, and thus decided to write his own perspectives about his ancestors and their origins. The very source those foolish Yoruba authors went to is now the one coming out with the true picture of what they had always told those Yoruba distorters, but because, many of you have already been programmed and conditioned to propagate lies, you claim the source is wrong, but what your own people brought out of the same source is correct. Isn't that thoroughly stupid and yet you come here to announce yourself as an intellectual. I've told you, stop arrogating scholarship to yourself, at best you're only a local herbs mixer in a little hut in ile ife where you engage in dubious historical fabrication.

When it comes to this particular topic, I would NEVER accept anything coming from a Yoruba that doest tally with the stories coming from Benin.

Waste your time here from now till eternity, you cannot change that. The Edos are very patriotic to their culture and customs and would NEVER accept garbages slipping in from outside especially Yoruba crooked quacks. So keep blabbing.

BabaRamota1980:
Ekaladheran, let's assume the 6 communities were towns.

These towns got their own guns and marched on Benin, a Kingdom, one-on-one and demolished you.

The keyword is MARCHED and the hook is ONE-on-ONE!


They came for you, bullet for bullet, sword for sword, arrow for arrow....and beat you to a surrender.



Lessons learnt....

...history has no record of you ever invading or attacking. them again. You learnt not to mess with Yoruba.

Guy, if you are using a smart phone to type all these crap, Google dictionary is just one click away. Stop shaming yo-ROBBER people now haba!

So at your age, you don't know the meaning of 'marched on'? No Yorubastard tribe could have ever marched on the great Benin, not possible, never recorded in history.

Yoruba has effectively suffered colonization twice at least on official records. The Edos first colonized Yoruba which lasted several centuries while at the same time, maintaining diplomatic and trade relations with the whites(Portuguese). And with Portuguese guns, Bini established its dominion and chokehold on Yoruba people. The evidence of this colonization is clearly seen in the cultures, customs and dressing patterns of the people of Owo who share striking similarities with their Edo lords and masters.
Second colonization of Yoruba came from the British. You already know that story.

We were suzerains over you and your territory for ages. Bow to your kings!!!

BabaRamota1980:
You have a modus operandi when overpowered....you begin to pacify your opponent.

Britain was not the first power to loot your palace. Are you aware?

Recall a ritual face mask worn only by the Oba was seized from your palace by Igala warriors. Till today the mask is in their posession.

Where was your Oba when Igala entered and took his mask during war? Was he hidden away or something


In the second war, while Igala warriors were camped just outside your city. Oba sent fresh young Edo pussies into the camp to entertain his enemy, hoping the action will pacify them to turn around and head back to Idah. After chopping pussy Igala warriors headed into Benin....Oba sent a Save Our Soul dispatch for Portuguese help.


1966, Biafra, are you aware that...

Noo, let me leave Biafra beside for now, its use will come later.



If we didnt occupy its because you likely sent a pacifier to calm us down.


Beside....you are already under Yoruba occupation when Oranmiyan became your king. That was also "accompanied" by an act of pacification using ekaladheran as a hoax to settle the foreigner on Edoland with no problem.

You are another offemmanu herb mixer cooking and conjuring history.

Conjectures, conjectures, conjectures. That's all you ever do. Might have been, ought to be, most like been... These are how you come about your insanely delusional ideas. Stop embarrassing yo-ROBBERs here ejoo.

You made it impossible anyone to respond to this your post because it was devoid of any rationality and filled with if's and maybe. Please go and play elsewhere. You are a joke.

Here's one foolish off road comment...

Y0ruba:
You are daft.

- Your king enjoyed the brotherhood Yoruba kings extended to it. And I wont lie, Bini’s invasion of eastern Yorubaland was also because she your Oba wanted to keep that route open for Ife to acquire weapons during her wars from the Isoya-Ondo-Bini trade route.

- Why did your king beg Ogedengbe, a radical who conquered Edo territories into Bini hearland?

What Bini enjoyed was the recognition Yoruba had for him as a fellow Yoruba man in a strange land. The same recognition reflected in the Kings’ sitting arrangement & so on. Till today 90% Yoruba still think Bini king is a Yoruba man in a strange land & because he is a Yoruba man, Yoruba owns Bini land. A mentality I’ve had to take pains to enlighten people about informing them that your king hates us & I presented the book he wrote & comments of people like you.

Highlighted in black is the brainwashing these voodoo historians do on an already traumatized people from the constant pillaging, vandalization and cannibalization of Thiers history by these quacks.

steveosaz:
This was also how either you or one of your ever lying Yoruba compatriots earlier on Here claimed no Yoruba town ever attacked ife due to its spiritual significance amongst the yorubas(even though there wasn't any such thing as Yoruba at the time), but the story of moremi clearly contradicts that as alluded to by the Olugbo.

Yoruba has no history, it's all hogwash, pure lies and fabrications.

Below is the comment of the dumbest ndi offemmanu(red soup eaters according to Igbo) on this platform...

BabaRamota1980:
Ekaladheran, respond to what he said in that quote you posted and stop beating about the bush.

This ewedu soup eating ndi offemmanu failed to see the response to his brothers delusion. Meanwhile, tell us why you people initially lied here that Ife never came under attack from any (Yoruba) town because of its spiritual significance when the moremi story clearly contradicts/counters that's falsehood and records Ugbo constantly r invading and raping Ife? Oloshi grade one

Y0ruba:
You are daft.

- Your king enjoyed the brotherhood Yoruba kings extended to it. And I wont lie, Bini’s invasion of eastern Yorubaland was also because she your Oba wanted to keep that route open for Ife to acquire weapons during her wars from the Isoya-Ondo-Bini trade route.

- Why did your king beg Ogedengbe, a radical who conquered Edo territories into Bini hearland?

What Bini enjoyed was the recognition Yoruba had for him as a fellow Yoruba man in a strange land. The same recognition reflected in the Kings’ sitting arrangement & so on. Till today 90% Yoruba still think Bini king is a Yoruba man in a strange land & because he is a Yoruba man, Yoruba owns Bini land. A mentality I’ve had to take pains to enlighten people about informing them that your king hates us & I presented the book he wrote & comments of people like you.

This was also how either you or one of your ever lying Yoruba compatriots earlier on Here claimed no Yoruba town ever attacked ife due to its spiritual significance amongst the yorubas(even though there wasn't any such thing as Yoruba at the time), but the story of moremi clearly contradicts that as alluded to by the Olugbo.

Yoruba has no history, it's all hogwash, pure lies and fabrications.

AxxeMan:
Buch of confused animals with no history!!

History me get K-leg ;
Shameless slaves

Slaves indeed. People who allow slaves to become kings(ooni) would forever be slavish in thought.

Y0ruba:
My peoples, Bini is the only place where researchers are threatened & forced to bring their research to the palace first before it can be published. They did this to caucasian researchers, Yoruba researchers & even their own sor J. Egarevbha.

Bini palace is scared of something & tries to give every research a pre-determined direction. Research should develop & take a course based on evidences available but for Bini palace na lie, they gats force you to design your work a certain way.


Most researchers include this caveat in their work. Heck, their own son Egarevbha included it too.

Yorubas are historical pillagers, so it wouldn't be out of place to regulate their access to palace information.
You people are known to work from the answer to the question - that's your stock in trade.

Meanwhile, tell us why the Olugbo of Ugbo is puncturing the falsehood and the blatant lie telling of the ooni.

Also tell us why the Alaafin and the Olugbo are both saying the ooni is a deceptive impersonator and stranger.

Even the Olugbo also quoted the Benin palace when they said Oduduwa was their lost prince.

Till tomorrow, there are millions of yorubas who would defend with their last blood the claim that Oduduwa came from Mecca via Egypt (this is simply to dodge another narrative that Oduduwa migrated to Ife from eastwards which ordinarily tallies with the Edo story).

There are yet still, millions of yorubas out there who say that Oduduwa came from heaven.

So at what point did you people revise all these and come up with the comical versions people like you now hide under the mango tree writing?

Dude, Yoruba history is a cow with multiple horns - no direction. It wouldn't even make a good storyline for children's cartoon.

Y0ruba:
With every post, you break the bounds of stupidity.

Are you aware Yoruba history is based on Historical & Archeological evidences? And these two fields affirmed Yoruba superseded Bini by far & built Bini?

Not to waste time, revisit your Bini history citing 10 Bini scholars without using any Yoruba researcher. I’ll wait.

First of all, there is technically nothing like Yoruba history as its all cock and bull stories of incongruous things being cooked in one pot with several cooks sticking their spoons in all at the same time.
Subject your findings to recent scientific tests and see them fall like a pack of cards. Prick!

Y0ruba:
No published scholar who presents lectures stands in the front of the audience & says they use google. People buy books even off google.

You are stupid, QED.

Shifting the goal post from your outright dismissal of google to "people buy books even off google".

You are one dumb jackass!

People don't only buy books on (not off) google, people also get valuable links to download books for free(through google) dummy. That's why computer-internet libraries are provided in most universities of this era to facilitate research.

You really should be mixing herbs.

See people who want to write Edo history, yet their obas are in a dirty was over supremacy and doctored history. Interestingly however, not only the Alaafin is telling the ooni that he is a slave and a nobody, the Olugbo of Ugbo kingdom in Ondo state Akinruntan Obateru is also calling the ooni a stranger and asking him to clearly identity his roots cause he is a usurper.

Here is a report on the matter from the punch newspaper.

FEMI MAKINDE

There is an ongoing battle of supremacy between the Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi, and Olugbo of Ugbo, Oba Obateru Akinruntan, over which throne is the monarchical seat of power in Yorubaland and the origin of Oduduwa, the so-called progenitor of Yoruba people.

Oba Akinruntan also attacked the Ooni of Ife for describing Moremi Ajasoro as a heroine.

The Ugbo monarch disagreed with the Ooni, who described Moremi as a goddess and recently built a 42-foot statue in her honour.

To the Ondo monarch, Moremi was a traitor who betrayed her husband, Osangangan Obamakin.

But in a swift reaction, the Ife monarch said Olugbo did not have deep knowledge of Yoruba history.

The Olugbo, in a statement issued by the Olugbo-in-Council, said, “We, the Olugbo–in–Council, found such (Ooni’s remarks about Moremi) unguarded statements and historical fallacy disturbing, particularly when such emanated from a monarch who is expected to be a custodian of history, customs and traditions of Yorubaland. We hereby state categorically that we are Ugbos, the aboriginal settlers and owners of Ile-Ife.

“Our forefathers descended from heaven, that is why we are called ‘Ugbo Atorunwo.’ We are not Ibos (Igbos), who are from the South-East, and who have their own clearly researched and defined ancestry. To set the record straight, Moremi remains a traitor. She was a slave captured by Ugbo warriors during one of their many raids on Ile-Ife. She later became the wife of Osangangan Obamakin, the son of Oranfe, of who was the paramount ruler of over 13 aboriginal communities of ancient Ugbomokun, which later came to be called Ile Ife.”

The statement said further, “Oduduwa came to Ugbomokun as a stranger and was welcomed in Ilero, the aboriginal palace of Osangangan Obamakin, which is still in existence in present-day Iremo, in Ile Ife. During the dynastic struggles, Osangangan Obamakin was directed by the oracles (Ifa and Osanyin) to leave Ile Ife. Moremi betrayed her husband’s trust when she exposed the secret of the Ugbo warriors’ gallantry.”

“Popular history states that Oduduwa, the progenitor of the Ooni, migrated from the East/Mecca. In another account by the Oba of Benin, recently, Oduduwa came from Benin. We ask that the Ooni should confirm his ancestral roots. It is also of importance to note that in the ancient custom of Yoruba, an incumbent king must have no living father. Also, no man from a female lineage of a ruling house is qualified to sit on the throne.”

But Oba Ogunwusi, who spoke through the Director of Public Affairs of the Ooni’s Palace, Moses Olafare, said the Ooni would not dignify the Olugbo with an answer because he was more focused on achieving unity among all Yoruba people and would not allow himself to be distracted.

The Ooni insisted that Moremi was a heroine, who deserved accolade because of the role she played in the liberation of Ife people from some “faceless terrorists.”

He said, “This outburst of Olugbo can only be viewed by well-meaning people as a pitiable act of absurdity that doesn’t deserve serious attention by serious people. How on earth could a Yoruba king refer to Moremi as a traitor because she used her power as a woman to liberate her people from incessant invasions by some faceless terrorists?

“Most paramount on the mind of His Imperial Majesty, Ooni Adeyeye Ogunwusi Ojaja II, with the unflinching support of the Alaafin, baba; the Awujale; the Alake; the Orangun; the Deji; the Ewi; the Osemawe; the Olubadan; the Oba of Lagos; and other relevant peace-loving monarchs in Yorubaland and in other parts of the country is and remains the much-needed progress of Yoruba nation which can only be achieved through peace and unity.

“It is a pity that at this time when everybody is tired of retrogressive royal discord, the Olugbo, who claims to be the Chairman of Yoruba Obas Committee on Peace and Reconciliation, has suddenly without a deep knowledge of Yoruba history, woken up to see royal controversy as the only tool for cheap publicity.”

http://punchng.com/ooni-olugbo-supremacy-battle/

Y0ruba:
You are daft.

- Your king enjoyed the brotherhood Yoruba kings extended to it. And I wont lie, Bini’s invasion of eastern Yorubaland was also because she your Oba wanted to keep that route open for Ife to acquire weapons during her wars from the Isoya-Ondo-Bini trade route.

- Why did your king beg Ogedengbe, a radical who conquered Edo territories into Bini hearland?

What Bini enjoyed was the recognition Yoruba had for him as a fellow Yoruba man in a strange land. The same recognition reflected in the Kings’ sitting arrangement & so on. Till today 90% Yoruba still think Bini king is a Yoruba man in a strange land & because he is a Yoruba man, Yoruba owns Bini land. A mentality I’ve had to take pains to enlighten people about informing them that your king hates us & I presented the book he wrote & comments of people like you.

Jeez, did you actually write that down?

You should be a native doctor than messing up the hallowed halls of education in this country.
With every sense of modesty, I say you are an embarrassment.

What you are doing is not education, you are only brainwashing your people who are pitiably ignorant.
It's your type of people who believed many years ago that the world was flat and went to great lengths spreading that falsehood through useless publications that have no source currency.

As Moorish rightly stated, these arguments need to be subjected to modern fact finding techniques. Have you carbon dated any of those trashy artifacts you claim someone found?

Mr man, the Edos care less of what the Yoruba think. The yorubas are already inundated and overwhelmed by the sheer pillaging of Thiers chequered history by distortionists and dubious revisionists like yourself.

Gather a forum of Yoruba history pundits and you'll hear a thousand and one versions of the same stories.
Even here on NL, many of you quacky scoundrels have danced naked in the public several times. How could you of all people now want to give perspective on your superiors?

The white man says, charity begins at home.

Y0ruba:
Oh wow, did you go to school at all? I mean you conducted all researches (assignments, term papers & long essays) by yourself?

No wonder Naija academia has gone to the dogs. Google, really?

You actually believe solid data is on google? I smh.

When I called you an incompetent, ineffectual jackass, you shouldn't have responded. Now you further expose yourself.

You failed to realize that google holds very little information itself, but is a link up to so many other resources.

Ogbeni, expand your knowledge base and stop cooking history in your hut.

Hello, this is the 21st century, we now use laptops. Lol...

Y0ruba:
Lol you must think History is for all comers and that papers aren’t peer-reviewed by top scholars before they are published.

Your ignorance seeps through your every post, smh.

I can assure you that I am far more familiar with the academia than you ever could and I know how articles and papers get published and accepted in journals OK.

You know you yorubas and tribalism, its like bread and butter.

It is through the 'omo wa ni, e je o she' door many of you get your garbages accepted into crappy journals.

So you are just another Yoruba quack, at least, that has been fully displayed here; very typical of charlatans.

BabaRamota1980:
Just accept defeat when you reach a dead-end in your argument. Anything else is witchcraft.

Y0ruba has demonstrated higher capacity for greatness and tactically seized this advantage from under you by admitting that history is there for all to see and we are not hiding anything. In fact Yoruba historians documented the victory for Bini....not Edo. This testifies to TRANSPERANCY and FORTHRIGHTNESS of Yorubas and earns us CREDIBILITY in the global community.

Furthermore, the same source and acknowledgement of Bini defeating 6 communities in Eastern Yorubaland also confirmed the defeat of Bini by these communities at a later period.

There are questions to ask.

1. Do you care about credibility, or do you, by default, argue on the faith of Edo witchcraft.

2. If Bini had attacked these 6 communities using sword, bow and arrow, lance and so on....do you believe Bini would have victory?

3. After these 6 communities acquired modern warfare gears they erased the Bini capacity and advantage.

It shows the Bini victory was not an act of superiority in warfare skills or tactics or bravery......but rather in use of more efficient tools.

Let me ask you another question relevant to our political situation today in Nigeria.

In Nigeria, is the fulani a superior military power?

If you say yes then you would need to explain why they call for military backup and rescue when overpowered by their victims.

Access to military backup in this case is a tool or resource acting to advamtage a fulani dominance......just as access to cannons and guns was to advantage of Bini over those 6 communities.

Isn't it an irony that you are asking someone to accept defeat when by this very write up of yours, you have already capitulated. Within the context of today's world, the superpowers are enjoying that status for no other reason than the very fact that they have superior weaponry.

Remember, times and seasons change, while Benin was kicking Yoruba ass over those many centuries, when Yoruba also had access to guns(according to your pedestrian scholars), why couldn't they establish occupation in Benin.

Benin occupied several Yoruba towns and established suzerainty over them in certain instances. Meanwhile, at no time in history has Yoruba ever replicated same in Edo land.

Yorubas for several centuries were trade stock for the slave market, many ended up in ships bound for Europe and America to go work on cotton plantations. Meanwhile, Edos were never sold as slaves. In fact, its on record that being that the Edos abhorred the idea of selling humans, they were known to have freed so many slaves(yorubas inclusive) who had been captured and waiting to be ferried off to the western world.

Edos a were your Lords and benefactors. Bow to your kings!!!

Y0ruba:
Recent kings? Wow you’re irredeemably daft! Recent?

Your documents stated that these towns got guns, revolted, fought war with & crushed Bini.

Idiotic pig of Ogiso with pentium 0.00000001 for a brain sluggishly processing data.

I am getting busy editing a paper I sent out for publication.

I’ll be back.

One can just imagine the garbage you would have stuffed up in that crappy publication of yours. Filled up with cooked up data just like those of many before you.

Y0ruba:
You want to escape from the debate by taking the part of petty unfounded jibes Yiibos throw around at Yoruba folks, I reject the bait.

Your Bini kingdom had to wait for Oyo to elapse its apogee. The point here is, had Bini ventured into expansion like Oyo did, it would have been crushed and wiped off the face of the earth. Reference is in how just one confrontation with the Ondo, Akure & Ekiti army crushrd your army for life and your army never fought any wars ever again. .

The 70 years Bini lasted for were the years Oyo collpased and Bini began to have huge access to guns. There was nothing extra ordinary about it.

Did Bini attempt to expand with cavalry like Oyo, Mali, Soghai, Sokoto, Nupe, Bariba, Borno did? No.

Yoroooooobaaaaa, iro po lenu e. Haahaahha

I asked you a question earlier which you tactically dodged; what led to the demise of the Oyo empire?

Benin empire never had any business with Oyo. It's surviving 70yrs after Oyo is testament of its tenacity. Their exploits are indisputable.
Even if you drink gamalin 20, it wouldn't change anything.

Y0ruba:
Bini scholar, relying in google is your greatest undoing. Please go to libraries or buy books and also visit the archive for first hand documents. Google can’t help you. If you’re in Edo, visit the Dept of History, they’ll recommend books and you’ll be able to tell us more about Edo without soundinf stupid with every post. Also, you’ll be able talk about Edo without quoting Yoruba scholars. Olodo, bragging about Google like that is what proper intelligent people depend on

1. I did not know the ethnic group in eastern Ghana, Dahomey, Bariba & Tapa were Yoruba until now.

2. I also did not know Ife, Ijebu, Egba, Ijesa & Ekiti were all Yoruba prior to 19th century until you just sait now.

3. I also did not know Udo, Afemau, Ishan & other towns surrounding Bini were not Edo o.

4. There was no state separation yet most Yoruba towns were regarded as Ekiti? Do you now see why I keep saying you are not smart? I guess there were no state separation yet the Abua, Ikwerre, Ibani, Opobo, Eleme, Okrika, and Kalabari, Etche, Ogba, Ogoni, Engenni, Egbema, Obolo were all regarded as Rivers? Smh.

5. Ever heard of ALara, Ajero, Oloba, Owa Orangun aga & the others who were Oranmiyan’s seniors? The only king you made was Eleko but guess what, Yoruba made your king .



Try very hard again, very hard.

If in this time and era, you can still come here and shamelessly denounce the very mighty Google, then guy, you don't belong in this generation.
Every sensible person in this era knows that google gives you ease of access to information thitherto obscure and difficult to find.

It is this same Google that has helped in exposing what an inept and incompetent, slave worshiping people the yorubas are.

Y0ruba:
Nobody rejigged. They operated what kings, including your own king told them before they implemented the NA system & subsequent regional system.

Stop this your conjuring of history. This very line of argument (lies) has been stoutly refuted by the Obaship in Benin. Say something else abeg.

Y0ruba:
1. If Bini were indeed smart, they would retain their hold on Ondo, Akure, Owo when access to superior weapons became balanced. I mean a true test of powerhouse is when valour is shown even in the face of balance of power. How are you a power house when they you bullied crushed your entire army for life with their first access to guns? Bini were & are still not a smart set of people. You & your ilks here keep displaying that.

2. Indeed, it is ridiculous that you want to say a wars are fought and won with superior firepower & I had to tap your brain back to the wars of today. You make careless statements and it is part of your low level of intellect.

3. Bini outlived? Bini wey nor fight half of wars wey Oyo fight not even reach capital of Oyo in size. Talking about outlive . Your junior brother travel pass you & took risks more than you. You hide for corner come dey talk outlive when your younger brother dwarfed you in all things? What a shame.

Ilorin was a Yoruba affair.

- Alimi’s son born of a Fulani never ascended the throne. The son’s descendants are struggling to be allowed to get on that throne till today.

- Alimi's sons who now rotate the throne were born of a Yoruba woman from Iseyin.

- Aole wanted Afonja to attack Apomu, an Ife land. This was a taboo & all his chiefs lost respect for him because of it. Aole took it further and ordered that Aole attack his own mother’s town & that evaporated the little respect all his chiefs had for him.

- Afonja’s father was an Igbomina man. Afonja then decided to start a town in the outskirts of his father’s Igbomina hometown & be a king rather than be a subject under a disrespected king.

- Afonja built Ilorin & everyone went there to start a new life. Mostly people of Oyo and then the Hausa, Kanike & Fulani slaves spread across present day Yorubaland.

- Afonja became power-drunk and alienated all his Yoruba co-conspirators who wanted Aole’s power to shrink.

- Alimi came into the picture & they became best buddies. Alimi died & his son who was Yoruba on the mother’s side wanted to rule. He found ready allies in those Afonja alienated while some like Solagberu stood aloof.

- Abdusalam took power & opened doors to more Oyo people to settle in Ilorin. This is why Ilorin is highly populated by those who have their family compounds to Oyo.

- Afonja’s example of starting a town influenced other Kings of Western Yorubaland and they all began to decalre independence.

- Subsequent Alaafins wanted to revert to the old patterns but these Yoruba kings who have enjoyed certain degree of autonomy & what came with did not wat to go back under anyone, not even the Alaafin.

- And in order to avoid a confrontation, these kings agreed to go to war against Ilorin in support of Alaafin but they also sent support to Ilorin which helped in the defeat & death of a few Alaafin.

- Some Yoruba kings also employed the Ilorin problens to effect the death of their fellow Yoruba kings whom they had scores to settle.

- Prior to the British, everyone regarded Ilorin as a Yoruba town and throne as a Yoruba throne such that Ibadan, Ekiti/Ijesa & Ilorin became the power houses in Yorubaland. In fact, the Ilorin kings exchanged gifts and messages. The Ilorin kings did not dress like muslims until much later. And the Yoruba soldiers who conquered Ilorin army in Osogbo & Okuku/Inisha were largely muslims.

- The British came, grouped Ilorin with the MB then North & that changed the game. Ever since, Ilorin people & Ilorin throne have continued to pursue a religious identity similar to that prevalent in their geo-political space.

- Till today, Ilorin is populated largely by people from old Oyo. And they regard their king as Oba not Emir.

Thus, Ilorin is not lost. It is in the hands of Yoruba who have let religion confused them a bit. When the day of regionalism comes, you will see that Ilorin question will be answered without violence.

Lol... Guy, you are actually far more dimwitted than I initially thought. So you don't know what outlive means? Jeez! See, your ragtag Oyo empire kissed the dust after in the 1820s after performing abysmally in several wars and had been reduced to a shadow of itself many Years prior.
Meanwhile, the Benin empire only went off in 1897, more than 70 years after Oyo entered the history books. Guy, seventy years no be beans ooo.

Did you hears yourself? Alimi's sons born by a Yoruba woman now rule Ilorin? Where for goodness sake is this creature from?
Was Alimi a Fulani or a Yoruba man? Simple answer, he was Fulani and what the hell does that make his sons? Fulani are the rulers of Ilorin till tomorrow through Alimi except your are from Ghana where children take their mothers origin.

So stop fighting a lost cause. Oluwo is about traveling that same route, they will soon have emir and not Oba. So deal with that. Slavebuoy!

steveosaz:
There was absolutely nothing smart about the yorubas. Being able to negotiate access to arms and use them to strengthen formidable armies against opponents is where the real smartness lies and the Edos more than sufficiently had that. That the yorubas only got hold of guns after several centuries only showed how much behind time they were - this also explains why Yoruba was a rich market for harvesting slaves by slave merchants. Your people were just too damn docile!

It's utterly ridiculous when you want to use modern day rules to explain happenings of the past. Rules of engagement in wartime is relatively a new invention. If that is what you want to now hang on, then I want to know how you would explain other battles fought across Europe in the middle ages.
It was basically a case of the stronger man takes the day and for several centuries, Bini was the stronger man, in fact arguably the strongest man on the battlefield.

Meanwhile, Benin empire outlived the Oyo empire for more than 70 years.

Tell us what led to the collapse of the Oyo empire. Because even in it's hay days, they were disgraced when they tried recapturing Ilorin.

Obalufon:
Benin was never an Empire never grow to be come and empire.. is a kingdom

Obalufon, please stop distorting my comments. In quoting my comment, you crookedly sneaked in the line that "Benin was never and empire, but a little kingdom" thereby creating the impression that I wrote that. If you don't know how to use NL, ask for help.

Meanwhile, Benin was very much an empire. Argue with your ancestors.

Y0ruba:
You do not read, this is the problem you have.

Have you looked at the colonial records and seen what your own kigs told the British?

Have you looked at found that all kings derived from Oduduwa/Oranmiyan regarded themselves as relatives and help meetings periodically before colonialists?

Have you looked and learnt that the kings have a tradition where upon death, material belongings of their dead are shared amongst the others who are alive? Bini received such and also gave in return.

Have you looked and learned that this meeting called ‘Pelu-Pelu’ used to be held in Ile-Ife but Oba Bini was the only one who could not come into Ife, only parts od his corpse can be brought in not his living self. And did you know your present king observed this same tradition during his last visit? - he had gotten to Ife the day before but had to stay outside the walls of Ile-Ife while some of his chiefs where in the palace & environs. It was Obalufe who went to lead his convoy in the next morning. I was there and part of the whole thing.

Have you also looked and learnt that the British noticed the sitting arrangements of this king at every function and recorded it? The Ooni sat in the centre while other kings flanked him on the right and left forming ‘n’ shape?

Have you looked and learnt that it was this sitting arrangement which preceded the British but which the British recorded that informed the Alake’s statement?

Have you looked and learnt that there are 3 egba groups, Ake, Agura and Agbeyin/Oke Ona? And also are you aware each group has a paramount king but the Alake is the leader of all these paramount kings?

Are you also aware the present Awujale is a revisionist like your king and his records of hstory are nor accepted by his own people?

Are you also aware the Alake is a very rugged pally who has been on deck for many decades?

When and if you ever step foot in the national archives, Ibadan see:

Roshdale, F., the Ife district officer in Oyo province.

The district officer in Bini at the same time, I can’t recall his name right now.

Its you who is clearly doing selective revisionism.

Isn't it rather strange that you seem not to be aware that the British operated with the instrumentality of indirect rule which made it necessary for them to impose stooges as kings and also rejig arrangements of traditional societies.

Kings were deposed all over Nigeria by the Brits and those who showed loyalty were allowed to remain.

Your type of selective historians would always regard the Awujale as a revisionist, but the Awujale made solid points and several instances where he had made clarification on the Alake issue with the Alake present and strangely, the Alake never issued a rejoinder.

Where there ever any records of traditional rulers organizing meetings amongst themselves prior to the coming of the Brits?

The British set up a system that worked for them while dubious politicians coming after them perpetuated those unhealthy practices. Awolowo was particularly notorious for such, to the extent of taking it to the issue of olu of warri.

The point still remains, there has never been any list of hierarchy of Yoruba kings. The Alake is dubious and a fraud and is clearly the one revising history. Awujale stated his position properly. I'm sure, the Alaafin would be happy to see him placed second on some list written under a mango three.

Read for yourself and see the Awujale totally destroy the Alake. http://punchng.com/alake-is-a-junior-king-in-yorubaland-awujale/

Y0ruba:
OK, since that is the case, you’re then stuck with agreeing that since Owo, Akure, Ondo crushed your army for life when they had access to equal weaponry, then the Yoruba of eastern parts were much smarter & intelligent than you.

If all it took was equal weaponry to dislodge your economic strongholds, crush your army forever & have Ogedengbe in your terriroties plundering then you were never a ‘power house’ in the first place.

Executing a war with Superior weaponry against basic arsenal would be tagged a War Crime in this day & age. Wars are now fought with equal weaponry except in the case of deterence.

Be smarter.

There was absolutely nothing smart about the yorubas. Being able to negotiate access to arms and use them to strengthen formidable armies against opponents is where the real smartness lies and the Edos more than sufficiently had that. That the yorubas only got hold of guns after several centuries only showed how much behind time they were - this also explains why Yoruba was a rich market for harvesting slaves by slave merchants. Your people were just too damn docile!

It's utterly ridiculous when you want to use modern day rules to explain happenings of the past. Rules of engagement in wartime is relatively a new invention. If that is what you want to now hang on, then I want to know how you would explain other battles fought across Europe in the middle ages.
It was basically a case of the stronger man takes the day and for several centuries, Bini was the stronger man, in fact arguably the strongest man on the battlefield.

Meanwhile, Benin empire outlived the Oyo empire for more than 70 years.

Tell us what led to the collapse of the Oyo empire. Because even in it's hay days, they were disgraced when they tried recapturing Ilorin.

BabaRamota1980:

The sons of a dimwit ogiso. Their 800yr old witchcraft that was brought in sun few weeks ago has not been locked up yet. I suspect it has taken posession of their spirits again.
Bloody ekaladherans!

The Ogiso dynasty is well alluded to by not only the Edos, but even our brothers; the Itsekiri and Urhobo. That's exactly the same way many, including the Bini's, the Alaafin of Oyo and so many others agree that Ooni was a houseboy in Oduduwa's court. How that houseboy eventually became a king is the dubious mystery of the yorubas. But not only did a slave become a king(taboo), he was made to appear as the greatest of Yoruba kings, even ahead of the Alaafin who is a direct Oduduwa son. This mystery is what the yorubas have decided to use their broom to sweep under the carpet.

Many would have respected you more had you placed ooni in his rightful place, but you people allowed politics to overshadow truth by bringing an impostor, a stranger and worse off a slave to the elevation of being the number one monarch in yorubaland. Now you are here carrying the burden of defending that fraud.

Even when the ignorantly mischievous Alake of Egbaland Adedotun Gbadebo decided to stoke the fire of controversy the other day by coming out with a shitty arrangements of Yoruba kings where he had them arranged thus; Ooni, Alaafin, Oba of Benin, Alake, Awujale. While Benin palace quickly retorted that Omo n'oba is not a Yoruba king, it was even more embarrassing as an angry Awujale vehemently dismissed the Alake as an ignorant element who was skewing history stating that even if such a list ever existed anywhere, Alake should never feature on such a list being that Alake is the head of Ake and not the entire Egbas which is an aberration and that Ake is one of the smallest and youngest quarters of Egbaland. He stressed that Alake should be Alake of Ake and not of Egbaland and that the confusion was brought about by Awolowo's dubious politics of usurping traditional authorities using stooges who are usually junior kings.

Recently, another Afonja/Alimi wanted to play out Again when the Oluwo of Iwo said he was going to drop the title of Oba and take that of emir. Tomorrow, Yoruba history manufacturers would deny these things. Dishonorable elements.

Y0ruba:
I don’t know why & how the uncle is blind to ther simple analysis stated in the paper.

If yorubaland ever had this non existent valour and gallanyyou are hallucinating about here, they would easily have taken back Ilorin. But your people have always been cowards who would rather obey that be defiant. Empires and kingdoms rise and fall. History has been very kind to Benin as being the last standing power house after the arrival of the whites. Document the decline of the Oyo empire and let's compare and contrast.

Y0ruba:
Uncle

1. Both your sources were written by Yoruba men. When do you intend to start posting articles written by those of Bini origins? Can’t find any? Would you take offense if non-diplomatic Yoruba attacked you by saying ‘Binis depend on Yoruba for everything including sources for their own history?’ Just kidding

2. If you took a deep breath and read the page you screenshot & and the text you posted, you would see that the towns Bini invaded before in Ekiti are to the south. Apart from those added during state creation, there are 16 kingdoms in Ekiti, Bini invaded about 6. If you look at present day Ondo state, there are several towns in between Bini & Ondo town, several towns between Bini & Akure town. All sources are quiet about Bini’s presence in the go-between towns. This can be interpreted to mean they were not conquered. Do you not think this would make Bini’s grip on Ondo town & Akure town difficult to sustain?

3. Both papers including the one from Prof. Akintoye agree that Bini’s invasion was not for conquest or empire building. It was rather to protect Bini’s long distance traders & consequently Bini’s economic interest as can be seen with Lagos when Bini traders were harrassed & soldiers were sent from Bini to protect them along the coast in Lagos. Bini was not expanding an empire, it was, like the present day USA protecting her economic interests & citizens by planting military bases on places of interest.

4. All articles used so far agreed that Bini’s activities were limited to south of Ekiti, Ondo town [not the entire Ondo state] & Akure town. All the articles also agreed that these towns revolted, murdered Bini traders & a war of re-invasion to quel revolt broke out.

5. All articles agreed that Bini lost control of the towns, attempted to take them back but failed. Prof Akitoye who used several sources mostly from Europeans [see footnotes in the document] stated that the introduction of guns into the interior changed the game & Bini army was defeated in southern Ekiti, Ondo town & Akure.

6. This goes to show that, like Ijebu controlled the trade on the coastal town of Lagos, Bini also controlled trade in the coast and as a result monopolized guns which the Bini army used to achieve her several invasions until her previous victims laid hands on guns too.

7. In essence Bini’s invasion was an unequal warfare. Bini brought guns to a bow, arrow, spear & machete fight. Nothing was special about Bini army. Kind of like how Bini used guns & canons against Bini kingdom when Bini ised basic war instruments during the punitive expedition. If Bini had guns & cannons too, it would have been different. Lagos had & used guns against Britain at a war that lasted for several days until a mishap occured in the Lagos camp with gunpowder catching on fire and ruining everything. In one word, Bini army fought a war against a disadvantaged group.

8. While we Yoruba agree that your Bini army invaded parts of Eastern Yorubaland. We Yoruba are stating that [based on facts posted by you & us] that your invasion was limited to 6 towns in south Ekiti, Ondo town & Akure town. We are also saying that you had guns to fight swords, bow, arrow & spear. We are also saying that when the Ondo, Ekiti & Akure people had guns they repelled you and crushed your army for life.

What hocus pocus are you talking about here. Warfare anywhere in the world, throughout history has always been about superior weaponry. You trivializing gun possession by the Bini's that gave them a significant edge over you people is the height of dishonesty and that explains the type of beans the Akintoye guy is. Between world war one and WWII, several improvements were made to howitzer guns and armoured tanks to gain substantial advantage against the enemy within short periods. Other inventions like the anti tank and anti aircraft guns were also produced for competitive advantage in warfare. The AK47 was designed to give the Russians an edge, though it came after WWII and has remained a weapon of choice for law enforcement agencies and criminals alike all over the world. The point is; superior weapons is what wins wars and since the Edos had that comparative advantage over the yorubas for several centuries, that clearly places them ahead and thanks to those guns, they gave Bini the pride it still enjoys today. Sentimentally subjective writers like Akintoye are a disgrace to literature because the idiot was basically working from the answer to the question.

Moneywomen17:
steveosaz so con fraternity is an evil invention.

Don't be a dick!
Don't you know what context means?

Within the Nigerian context, confraternity is an evil contraption.

BabaRamota1980:
Ill discuss at my own time. You dont bring a discussion to me without me first asking.

You lack sense of protocol for your superiors. Now go and sit your @$$ down! When im ready ill call you to come and make your presentation. Im enjoying myself right now. Do you hear me?

Shameless coward in action. That's how they ran away from every single battle in history. Once a slave, always a slave. Drag back your stinky ass in here dummy.

You are gonna get some fries with that whip ass!

Olu317:
Why not deal with the root cause of the issue instead of emotionally trying to be ignorantly innocent? Your Edo brother threatened to deal with me if it wasn't NL. What an insult! I only gave him a pill to reset his shallowness. Someone as he shouldnt be allowed on NL if I have my way on NL, I compel people to use either their name as part of their monicker or use friendly monicker that is devoid of anything that has to do with any form of weapon but I don't have such authority. And if you refer to cultic groups as Yoruba's pride ,then, you shouldn't forget that even the masquerade and societies done in secrecy in African community and elsewhere in the world are also cults. Even Christianity was once done in secrecy because of persecution, which made it a cultic group before the religion gradually gained access to the larger societies. To even go further, religion as a whole is a cult. Mind you, this thread isn't about digression on cultism because students cultism has over the years done more harm than any good associated with it. But don't blame me ,instead, blame the young man that preferred to identified with an identity/monicker as ‘axxemen' ,on a social media, where he threatened someone,who is not with the same school of thought with him. Good back to the former pages and read ,then ,ponder over such statement..Period

This is just you being dubious as usual. You clearly claimed ownership of the origin of cult groups in Nigeria. That was an all time low. We ain't in the era of traditional societies any longer, and even at that, I believe their cryptic and fetish practices was what led them to lose many devotees. Christianity was never a cult, stop creating baseless allusions. Practicing your faith in secrecy due to societal persecution very different from you being a predator and a menace to the generality of society.

Moorish, your passifist stance has restrained some of us and I hope you would recognize that as a mark of respect. But at this point, we return to the trenches. I'm sorry, but BabaRamota should take the blame for that.

If we could draw this battle from page one to page 64, engaging more informed yorubas all the way and still standing, I assure BabaRamota that we could do uncountable pages over this stuff.

From now, BabaRamota would be given fire for fire on a ratio 1:10. He clearly underestimates the people he's dealing with here. But henceforth, no more diplomacy, it would be crude and brutal not minding who's ox is gored.

Let's Go!