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Moorish:
Edo women sell their daughters through prostitution rings in Italy

Yet you claim you are a great people

My guy, the state of your people should be your concern, forget about others!

Just as yo-ROBBER are reputed for armed robberies and yahoo yahoo abi?

Guy, you are gloriless. Tell yourselves the truth, the rot in Edo nation is nothing compared to that in yo-ROBBER land. To make it worse, you people even degrade yourselves by kowtowing to your largely illiterate Fulani overlords.

Americans don't deny their country, neither do Europeans and same for Israelis. But yo-ROBBER bastards are littered all over the north denying their Yoruba origin, repudiating their Yoruba ancestry and culture and adorning that of a more superior state-the Hausa/Fulani state. Even in your lands, strangers have been ruling you. Lam Adeshina of Oyo was Igbirra, Same with Olusegun Mimiko of Ondo, all Igbirra ruling you people and you aren't even ashamed of yourselves.

Why would anyone want to be Yoruba when even the children of the house are running away and denying it.

samuk:
Are you still writing after you practically handed victory to the Edo on the forum by posting from the archive, Yoruba historical documents that showed that Benin was your overlords. Even the Edos did not claim the full extent of their forebears domination of Yoruba land, we were all claiming eastern Yoruba not Lagos to river niger as your documents shows. Thanks to you, I now know it was the entire Yoruba land Benin subjugated. David set you a trap by asking that you produce historical documents, you foolishly did. You are not clever at all, at least your other compatriots avoided posting verifiable documents, they stuck to their unverifiable tales by moonlight and you jumped in to spoil it for them. There is nothing more to debate here as you have proven every Edo on this thread right by your documents. I wonder what point you were trying to make, your Yoruba historical document says Benin owned and ruled Yoruba land, what else.

Y0ruba:
Stewpid fook, these are more document from the ‘archives’, I hope they are enough proof for you.

Samuk, exactly what I thought when I saw the post by Y0ruba. The guy has practically murdered himself.

Every damn thing in that post of his showed that the Edos peppered these people for centuries.
Yoruba should really be grateful to the British for amalgamating Nigeria, otherwise, Benin for don't sell them into slavery finish.

Self entrapment... Hahaha I love this. The guy totally bombed the entire yo-ROBBER war craft on here. That's what happens when you pick up a sword for a fight without being skillful, your opponent wouldn't even have to kill you, you'll do it yourself.

EdoNation:
Dirty st.inky yooobaaa ppl,....

Look at thier useless punk in ife bowing down to common saraki ..... Hahahaha kingsango you are right alaafin can never do this , Ooni the bastard from a slave bitch enbarasses himself at every turn , hahahaha ..Apart from bring a slave bloodline . He paid for the throne so am not even surprised

Hahahaha, these people are bastards by nature. This is a symbolism of Yoruba bowing down to Fulani again. Ife bows before Afonja/Alimi... Shameless people.

How can a king of this status stoop that low to receive Saraki's handshake with two hands while bowing down? Tomorrow, yo-ROBBER demons would tell you it never happened because it doesn't agree with their sensibilities.

Y0ruba:
I do not know if you actually think before you type or if you read what you type for any modicum of sense before hitting the ‘submit’ button.

Your come backs are the most pedestrian & stupidest attempts at being sneaky. You must think other posters are slow & retarded posters like yourself & those of your Edo folks who are unintelligent enough to know & accept that your Oba’s tales are not supported by material & non-material evidences gathered & studied for decades starting from the 50s/60s/70s.

We are not illiterates. There are little to no historians & archeologists of Edo/Bini origin who have done or published any works on Edo/Bini history and these are due to obvious reasons listed below:

1. Yoruba pioneered history in Nigeria. Google Ibadan School of History. The population, lead in adoption of western education & the Ibadan school put the ratio of scholars at a high number favourable to the Yoruba people.

2. This point is the most important. The Nigeria history research scheme sponsored regionally led to years of extensive study of Bini history. Now the implication of this is that, Bini history was exhausted & there has been nothing else to add - in archeology, anthropology & history. So nobody goes to these fields & chooses to specialize in Edo/Bini studies, they may never even get to complete their PhD not to mention being regarded as an original scholar. Recent studies on Bini are mostly an agglomeration of past works to fit a narrative - this is something less scholarly. Ever wondered why after so mant decades your Oba’s book was the only book/paper on Bini & have you wondered why no historian was involved in its preparation or why the scholars have yet to rate it after so many years in circulation?

In clear terms, there is no paper/book on Bini history/archeology because it has limited records and this as been thoroughly dealt with by Smith, Bradbury, Lloyd, Ryder - all neutral caucasians.

See the excerpt below & stop disgracing your generation with your unending unintelligent comments.

Also, all the research written from the 50s narrating Ife/Yoruba prominence to Bini were given, approved & stamped by your king & members of your royal family.

Pioneers Yo-ROBBERS are indeed a huge joke. Yet in all these your years of historical manufacturing, not a single scroll from Ife or anywhere else. The Hebrews had scrolls dating back to several thousand years ago. The Egyptians who are regarded as the cradle of civilization had their hieroglyphics documenting their way of life in time past. Their obelisks have for centuries and till date been a juicy spot and source of historical interests. Where is the interest in Yoruba history? None because everybody is a historian in Yoruba land, and so most of the literature out there are basically contradicting one another. The standard other societies have in relaying their history is non existent in the Yoruba case. Too many versions, revisions and formulations and that's why your history can never be streamlined. It is this duplicitous character that you hydra headed monsters have frantically been trying to import into the Edo/Benin narrative.
But you know why it has never and would never work? Because a people must first tell their story before an outsider can have a perspective and the Edos have told their story and no bloody yo-ROBBER from anywhere can alter that. Any such attempt would as always end in futility.
It is for this reason that the late Benin king put pen to paper and gave a perspective on the history of the royal family-a feat no Yoruba king has ever achieved.

Moorish:
Let’s Forget the w.hore s.hit little edo man, The whole world already knows about the s.luts of edo

just as yo-ROBBER are known for eating ewedu soup, that's how adultery is an inseparable partner of Thiers. Even your married women are in the habit of keeping multiple sex partners. Yo-ROBBER women are the only ones in the whole world who could have seven children for seven different men. Your men recklessly joke about their adulterous escapades openly.

Do something about your internal re colonization by the Fulani and leave trash for LAWMA.

Y0ruba:
He got it from this paper: http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/seminars/2003_04/Ojo_Paper.doc

This people rely on Yoruba for everything - Kingship, Names, Religion & Arts. The paper was authored by a Yoruba man & I find it interesting that the fraudulent Bini man did not deride the paper as they have done with excerpts & citations listed here written by local & foreign scholars.

Would it be safe to conclude Bini has no history worth writing such that historians of Edo/Bini origin are not putting any work out of Bini/Edo history?

Yoruba's are good in writing comics and children books. And that is basically what all these fraudulent history you people are fouling everywhere with is all about.

Moorish:
Steven I concede you are right

Benin people are loved by all

Because Your sister receive all the earthly s.perms

I'm sure, all the ashewos and oloshos in lagos including the ones in your village are from Benin. Who doesn't know Yoruba and adultery.

davidnazee:
It’s your Yoruba brethrens that refuse to acknowledge that Benin was a great and mighty Empire.. Benin didn’t rule over Ife, nor did it rule over Oyo. But Benin ruled over most of Eastern Yoruba and shared boundaries with Oyo kingdom.. Benin also saw the birth of Oyo and the end too.. Benin was the only independent African kingdom till the end of the 19th century when it was subdued by the British forces..
As for slavery Benin didn’t engage in slavery but Oyo was the master of slavery selling almost all Yorubas in its territory into slavery..
Benin was a great Kingdom that survived time while others fell it stood..

You get time well well. These people are not here to learn. No matter how strong the points you give them are, they'll never take it. It's just their nature. Its an aberration to see a straightforward Yoruba man, they are a trivial and tactless set of people. See the disjointed and chequered history they are all just coming up with. I know them very well, na their way. The only thing you owe them is never to accept their crappy bulldung. They are all manufacturers of history.

Their only friend in this country today is the Fulani and that's because the Fulani has married them and f#@ks their dirty asses real gud all the time. Every other group is wary and highly suspicious of them. Yet still, there is no one the Fulanis have dealt with up to how they've pummeled these Yoruba people.

When it comes to being uncoordinatedly loud, they unarguably come first there. I say it again, go to hausaland and see armies of Yoruba people(I mean ex Yoruba people) who have totally renounced anything Yoruba including their names and have become Hausa.
Yet, their coward, misguided brothers are here talking like the very fools they are.

They brought together so many nationalities and spun their manufactured tales to these people asking them to claim ile ife as their origin, meanwhile, most of these people are independent and have nothing to do with oduduwa and were only victims of cultural assimilation that the entire Yoruba race is facing today in the hands of Hausa Fulani.

Yoruba people go home and save your burning house, Fulani is doing silent jihad against you people. That's where your attention should be.

ib0221:
I was taught not to demand respect from anyone except from myself. Therefore, I couldn't have demanded it from you.

Did you just give a literary interpretation to my earlier comment? Dude, I wasn't referring to you but only made a general reference with respect to these loud uncouth Yoruba.

samuk:
With this your writeup, you exposed yourself as an ignoramus and unable to learn. A simple Google search would have told you that the European arrived and wrote about Benin as far back as the year 1485 and when they arrived the Benin defensive moat was already in place. If this is your level of knowledge, then it's a complete waste of time debating you. I hope your other compatriots on these thread are not as stupid as you are, no wonder you are throwing insults all over the place, you have nothing in your brain.

You are new that's why you are just realizing the dubiousness cum ignorance of these people. Don't waste your time doing logical analysis with them, hit them real hard if you must engage them and show no mercy. They don't deserve any. They are just history manufacturers

ib0221:
@ steveosaz, I don't propagate or fight for superiority. One thing has been clear to me right from University days- values of things in general is transient and depend on man, time, situation and aspect. War is old men talking and youth dying while the kings count wealth and the other classes count bodies. I know because I am from a royal family. Let kill ignorance and hatred and live to live a meaningful life. As someone once said- we must learn to live as brothers and sisters or will all perish as fools.

Respect they say is reciprocal. You cannot demand respect from me when you haven't extended such courtesy. Not to even talk of a Yoruba for that matter.

Obalufon:
we are your forefather accept it ..the problem is language barrier if you were yoruba speaking you would not doubt my claim..tower of ba.bel is in ile-ife no bilical story that is not in ile-ife ..Yoruba was not the only language spoken ile-ife in the beginning ILE-IFE the ancient source of human race ...new findings by scientist yoruba gene contain DNA not known to man and our DNA is the oldest DNA in the world .. why do you think akoko edo still claim ile-ife and have oriki in yoruba language rather than their local dialect even in akoko in ondo

Someone must have helped you type this comment - it makes absolutely no sense and at best, portrays you as a comedian. I didn't go to night school o. This your Ife is the oldest DNA is clearly your own creation just as you and your brothers have been manufacturing history here since.

Obalufon:
read basic west Africa history atleast you will have basic knowledge of history you are talking base on sentiments nothing more .,.you are genetically backward people in comparison to yoruba race is a known fact accept it or not "the fact are out their" ..you people have beast like troublesome behavior with no cognitive capacity it shows way of life also in your ancient art work savage heads with fearsome look

...ibadan fulani war 1840 5yrs after ilorin was taken by the Muslim yorubas with the help of fulanis scholars oyo lost it prestigious northern city ilorin without cavalry northern garrison oyo is useless, after their victory capturing ilorin they tried to expand their territory over other cities in yoruba..Ibadan smoked them out with punitive fire of guns at it's knife savvy swords men .if other yoruba nations had accepted Ibadan ruler ship they would have chased the Muslim out of ilorin.. ilorin and ekiti connive to fight Ibadan because of its growing strength and military might also to the south was incursion of egbas and ijebu were also fighting Ibadan

Obalufon or whatever you call yourself, you are a lost soul. If truly you are from Oduduwa's line which is really doubtful, then it can only mean one thing; and that is that you are another lost Edo pikin cocooned in Ile Ife. But we don't want you back because you have used your left hand to point to your father's house which is a taboo

[quote author=Obalufon post=68142954]read basic west Africa history atleast you will have basic knowledge of history you are talking base on sentiments nothing more .,.you are genetically backward people in comparison to yoruba race is a known fact accept it or not "the fact are out their" ..you people have beast like troublesome behavior with no cognitive capacity it shows way of life also in your ancient art work savage heads with fearsome look

...ibadan fulani war 1840 5yrs after ilorin was taken by the Muslim yorubas with the help of fulanis scholars oyo lost it prestigious northern city ilorin without cavalry northern garrison oyo is useless, after their victory capturing ilorin they tried to expand their territory over other cities in yoruba..Ibadan smoked them out with punitive fire of guns at it's knife savvy swords men .if other yoruba nations had accepted Ibadan ruler ship they would have chased the Muslim out of ilorin.. ilorin and ekiti connive to fight Ibadan because of its growing strength and military might also to the south was incursion of egbas and ijebu were also fighting Ibadan [/quote

Obalufon or whatever you call yourself, you are a lost soul. If truly you are from Oduduwa's line which is really doubtful, then it can only mean one thing; and that is that you are another lost Edo pikin cocooned in Ile Ife. But we don't want you back because you have used your left hand to point to your father's house which is a taboo

ib0221:
I think we can come together to establish a center or foundation for the purpose of research and dissemination of information. I would be glad if we can achieve this. A caveat at this juncture is justified- I don't live, preach and support incivility, tribalism/tribal jingoism, vituperation and hatred. Please my eminent persons- Olu317, KingSango, Obalufon, BabaRamota1980, Metaphysical, moneywomen, even davidnazee and the rest I can't remember now, let work for our generation unborn.

Save your energy. We don't need to come together with these stupid, dubious and treacherous Yoruba people. My advocacy has always been mind your business while I mind mine. On this thread, Yoruba have claimed to be the progenitor of the Igala, Nupe, Itsekiri and others. Their ooni even said same about the Igbos.

Let it remain like this. If this stretches till eternity, the Edos would always be on ground to whup Yoruba ass.

These are people who have zero pride on their ancestry but would always kowtow to the Hausa Fulani at every instance. I was born and schooled in the North. It's shocking to see the sheer number of so called Yoruba people who have renounced Yoruba and have been assimilated into Hausa. The Yoruba in the north, many of them are lost to their hometowns e.g IBB. It is some of these things that the Yoruba are aware of that they have chosen to hide and cover up. No Hausa or Fulani man in this world would ever deny his tribe to claim another, same with Igbo but go to Zaria, Kano, Kaduna and many other northern cities and see Yoruba bastards everywhere denying their tribe and now claiming to be a member of the household of Uthman Dan Fodio.
The late Ooni of Ife, Sijuwade was practically a houseboy to the sultan of sokoto that even Fani Kayode had to speak out against it.

You are busy here fighting an unwinnable war with the very proud and illustrious Edo people meanwhile, Hausa/Fulani is right now recolonizing you. Fulani has married you as their wife and they have impregnated you, very soon, Yoruba would start giving birth to Fulani children. History is presently repeating itself and you lousy and loud e warriors are here directing your energies to a lost cause.

Should the Igbo leave, Hausa would turn you to their sex maid servant and that's why you people colluded with them to frustrate the Igbo Biafra agenda.

Obalufon:
stop posting this bogus write up ..oyo was an empire not kingdom

Hahaha, small, dirty stinking stretch of land and someone is here busy mentioning empire. When we talk of empires, names like the Roman, Greek and the British empire come to mind, not some assemblage of village chiefs in Oyo who were disgraced by the nomadic Fulani's. That's no empire.

Moneywomen17:
I have hundred of screenshots of Yoruba and igala gangbanging small Benin village and I like that word gangbanging coz Yoruba took their turn then igala took theirs then Yoruba again then British and since Yoruba like taking another turn the took one again after the British left till u were finally begging to be free with the help of the fg coz u are too weak to resist. After Nigeria disintegrate Yoruba will take another turn at their favorite bitch edo. Be prepare davidnaze this time u will not only bear our name worship our gods and speak our language u will lose everything edo.

If I didn't know Nigeria's story too well, I would have probably given this your comment a like�, But sorry, that's not gonna happen. Though, very familiar storyline I must say, only that you changed the actors. Now here's the real story;

Prior to independence, the Fulani's stuck their dick up Yoruba ass; raped you and took your daughter(Ilorin) as a sex slave(hehehe, they still bitch f#@king Ilorin's ass till date). They then kicked the ass of those your deadwood gods and pierced your damn hands with the sword of jihad and bonded them together with the Koran...wonderful ain't it?
Then the white man came and said; hey y'all niggers, that would just do, we run the show from here now(you should really thank the whites for bandaging your ass, oh, don't thank them just yet). And guess what? They preferred the fulani(your husband) and gave them every damn thing. While the British were kicking Yoruba kings asses(remember what they did in Lagos and to Kings in Oyo?), they were busy setting up a strong aristocracy up north as worthy successors to rule your generations(and that's been happening).
Then the white man says in 1960; Alright buoys, it's time to say good bye, it's been a memorable ride and worthwhile too all these years(but that wasn't until after they had ensured the power was handed over to their knighted successor-the north-yoruba husband and nightmare).
Then came the dawn of another episode of rape. They (fulani)f#@ked Awo in the ass until they f#@ked him right into prison(oh yes, and we must not forget that they did so with the help of a treacherous Yoruba demon-SL Akintola. O wa Lara yin).
Awo got out of prison and teamed up again with his husband- the north. He would eventually resign his position out of frustration when it became clear the northern soldiers weren't going to give him the presidency as they had earlier promised(a promise that made him do a hatchet job against the Biafrans- wait to see their epic payback to him)
Fast forward to 1979, Obasanjo, a Yoruba and Awolowo's kinsman is head of state(though a northern stooge) and he organizes an election. Awolowo quickly seizes the opportunity to achieving a lifetime ambition of becoming president. But not so fast, how can you become president when the British haven't appointed you so? The beautiful bride(Fulani) are still very much around. Anyway back to the matter. So Awo goes in with high hope(though he was only to come out with a high BP). Rewind back to 1967-70; civil war and Awo's role(the hatchet job), it was now time for a cool payback (dayum, karma's such a bitch). Now the Igbo's pitched their tent with Yoruba husband(Fulani) and once again they both raped and ANALized both Awo and the Yoruba. And who did the Yoruba blame? He he, good boy Obasanjo for choosing not to rig in Awo's favor.
Again in 1983, Awo and the Yoruba got a big bad dick in the ass(Hey, that's not the worst yet...hang on). Then Buhari(Fulani) and his soldier boys show up and say, alright everyone, it's time to pack up and go. An in a bad twist of events, The Fulani Buhari begins to rape Yoruba ass one more time(only that this time, in a most degrading way). He would go on to arrest Yoruba leaders like Bisi Onabanjo, Bola Ige, Adekunle Ajasin, Bisi Akande and the big fish - good, old Awo who was not a government official and was nursing a major electoral defeat induced heart attack. But remember the Akintola treachery (a ni o wa Lara yin), Buhari was aided this time around again by another Afonja descendant - Tunde Idiagbon.
Then in 1987 good old Awo suddenly kicked the bucket mysteriously. Some say he took the portion which in local parlance they call rat poison, which was adviced by Babangida as a way out rather than prison sentence after Lateef Jakande(an Awoist has ratted to IBB about Awo's plot to have him overthrown) - treachery again.
With Awo out, another fish steps into the pond, but is it really a fish, or its just suya for the Fulani? Anyway, the fish was no other than the Aare Ona Kakanfo himself, the man at the center of the Fela 'international thief thief, ITT' song. Abeg who im be? No vex, na MKO Abiola.
IBB conducts an election and MKO wins at least that's what we were told (who dash monkey banana), but trust Fulani wayo. This time, they gave Yoruba the biggest dick in the ass. Yoruba ass hasn't closed ever since. They didn't only annul MKO's victory, IBB steps off in the heat of the whole saga and calls in another AWO, MKO kinsman from Ogun state(Shonekan) to head an illegal government. Well, 80 days later, the north(Yoruba husband says it's time for another dick) they say to Shonekan, 'bros, e don do. Your village people in Ogun state are calling you'. And that's how Sani Abacha steps in and rapes Yoruba for another five years. Kills Kudirat, and many others, ruled with a stiff fist, kicks Obasanjo's ass, kick's Oladipo Diya's ass, Kicks Abdulkareem Adisa's ass until the US says 'we've had enough punk' and they give him the last apple he ever tasted in this world. Then comes Abdulsalam Abubakar who everyone thought was going to be different and release MKO(for where?) With the collaboration of the US, he brings out the biggest Fulani dick so far and f#@ks the Yoruba in the ass one more time(oohh... that ass gotta bleed). The man literally kills MKO in prison, but that was not before he settled some Afenifere boys like Bola Ige and Abraham Adesanya (no be me talk am o, na Al Mustapha). Then Yoruba brings out False and reject OBJ as per old wounds. The north decides to reward OBJ for being a worthy and a diligent servant and he wins the presidency. Tinubu would only succeed in getting his party to win a presidential election after he fields a failed Fulani(Buhari) who had been known as a serial election loser. But wait! Was this not the same Buhari who kicked Yoruba leaders' asses into jail in 1984 while keeping Shagari in a palatial prison called house arrest with the Yoruba vowing never to forgive Buhari? Lol... These people and double face sha, no be today ooo.
Now the next thing is restructuring and the Fulani have said they ain't giving you that.

So Mr, if anyone has been raped the most in this country, its clearly the Yoruba. The Fulani have practically married your tribe. Yoruba is currently walking around butt naked with Fulani dick sticking out of her ass.

Read this!

KingSango:
I'm not funny at all. I can be yet its not my forte.

Sango is the God of fire.

There are 3 Sangos in Ifa.

Sango the Alaafin of Oyo

Sango the High Priest of Kuso.

And Sango the Orisha of mana mana.

Perhaps when you were studying Sango in Ife you mixed him with Jakuta, Jakuta the god of thunder. Sango the God of Fire!


Ase

Love Sango

Then this...

Olu317:
I insist, you are funny because, so many things can't be understood by you....Once again, I salute,your decision to believe in Shango. But I didn't study Shango as a diety nor will I do. Enjoy yourself and your study. I ,only know shango as a descendant of Oranmiyan.... Shango is many things to you and others like you but to some of us,he was a king,with mystic power, which he mastered some of it outside his father's ethnicity but through his maternal familly. His life's account is the same everywhere in Yoruba land ...

Cheers

So much for people who want to rewrite the history of others, yet haven't been able to streamline Thiers. Charity they say begins at home.

KingSango:
Are you always so insulting when you are losing an argument?


Where are your values? You claim supremacy over Yoruba yet have demonstrated street hoodlum talk of drug abuse.

Pointing one finger, yet the remaining four are pointing back at you. The English man calls this hypocrisy.

Moneywomen17:
Africa story is authored by the European which leaves a lot of controversy because most of it then is left to oral story and oral story’s it has different version and many people saying conflicting info. Benin will never accept our claim and we will never accept theirs which is the truth and since we can’t go back in time it leaves it uncertain for both parties with each other just sticking to their beliefs. Now ife history says oduduwa came from east of Ife which is oke-ora and we know of no mondiana or whatever u call it then so I accept that but I feel the linking of Islam to oduduwa is recent not historical and that’s why it’s rejected. All we are doing here is well at first is arguing with logic and since guys like davidnaze are not down with that this has just turn into a slug fest. Everything about oduduwa is in ife and none in edo that’s certain and nothing can erase that.

You finally made a little sense after going on sabbatical in the wilderness of delusion. I only agree with you in the aspect that no Edo person would accept Yoruba story and vice versa. With that, you guys can continue with your stone throwing into the sea-the sea would never get full na you go tire.

Congratulate Babaramota for his latest invention-mondiana. No be only mondiana, na marijuana.

Moorish:
Urhobo is more relevant than Benin today, in Nigeria

And those guys used to be under Benin

Benin people live in a nostalgic past which they can never re-create

While other cultures keep growing and surpassing them

Good that you have finally revealed your true chameleonic nature today. That's the trademark of you yorubas. Anyway, you had to since no one was buying into it. You and your fellow lying compatriots have finally derailed this thread into puerile banters simply because you couldn't stand the staring truth that your entire portfolio of history is a chequered fraud.

Go on with your rudderless stroll.

Moneywomen17:
i thought it was elkhadaren so now it’s izoduwa later u will say it’s imaoduwa what next elkhadowa. I read the article what Benin name was change

Bounce off abeg. I'm not your nursery school teacher and so I can't help your lack of understanding. You are a closed mind, a black hole and so its pointless engaging your kind.

It's for those with comprehension.

This is an important link on this issue. Read through and take note of how original Edo names were being corrupted to sound Yoruba. That was the same way Izoduwa was corrupted to oduduwa and the Yoruba have continued to spin and build castles of lies around that entity for ages.

Important read. http://ikerekingdompalace.com/history-of-ikire-ekiti/

Moneywomen17:
so Ogie means king in edo so why do u call ur present king oba and not Ogie ur word for king anymore

You are now changing the subject entirely. If you want to debate the etymology of the word Omo, start a new thread for that.

Moorish:
I don't mean to sound rude but I lost confidence in your assertions once you said ivory coast changed its name to Burkina Faso

Maybe it is a slight oversight. I do hope so.

Look, I think this argument has been over flogged. There is no point arguing. We are all entitled to our opinions.

I do feel sorry that me of all people had to be dragged into the name calling and insults, but some indecent people here forced my hand.

@steveosaz, I do hope at some point we in southern Nigeria can trust one another and finally challenge those in the north we see us as inferiors

We are far too fragmented, and it is doing us in.. We do not have to like each other in order to fight for our collective rights

And I want to say I am sorry to an Edo person who I offended, It was never my intention to go that route. And I do hope we can have a mutual respect for each other in the future

Thanks

The Ivory coast issue was clearly an error. I intended saying Burkina Faso was formerly Upper Volta. But even at that, Ivory coast is now Côte d'Ivoire.

Olu317:
Oviedo (child of Edo),you want to engage me,I will do you this last time . You see, most of you who claim to have knowledge on Bini history online ,but you are far from it as it regard Oba Bini .Was I the one or any Yoruba person that claimed Oranmiyan was the first that rode on horse? Honestly, Ignorance is a big problem for you because you sit in your tiny enclave and boast when in real life ,you are not reckon with in your folklore. You think, I will stoop so low and lie about my ancestry? Many of us aren't liars like you. In fact,I wouldn't do this online if not because liars like you exist beyond control and we need nib on the board before it get outta hand. Isn't it silly on your part that you used heavy vulgar words on my personality but in real ,you may not even be able to engage me verbally because such opportunity won't arise. This has nothing to do with wealth or pride but humane characteristics, which you lacked. Perhaps, you haven't read such before but you can read it again and digest it that you have met one person online, who is one of the direct descendant of Odudua. In fact , a direct patrilineal lineage son of Oranmiyan..... As I write this, know it that my own future descendant can be Ooni. Can't you see I am greater than Oba Bini that felt comfortable at visiting the exalted throne of Odua,which Oranmiyan and his descendants from ILE IFE has sustained for over a 1000 years?


Bitter truth is what I just handed down to you!

Lol...

Imagine this degenerate idiot who is not know even on his own street in Ife blabbing trash. A nameless, faceless scammer! This is the embodiment of the attitude of fraud these guys and their lying historical revisionist brothers have attended to this issue. You don't need to announce to us what a nonentity you are.

That you claim to be from the line of oduduwa(though doubtful) doesn't change the fact that oduduwa is a stranger in Ife and if that's to be taken for anything, then you are equally a rootless stranger yourself. Even the Olugbo of Ugbo has alluded to this very fact.

Let the true descendants of Ife speak and not strangers like you.

Moorish:
My brothers from benin. We need not insult one another

@steveosaz and @prolog2

If you can give me definitive answers to these questions, then I am sure we can agree on scholarly truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

Number 3 is very weird and the benin theory does not add up.

So a benin monarch (Ekaladerhan) died in a foreign land (ife) which he now rules. So now, his sons who reigned in his homeland(benin) must be buried in ife the foreign land?? This is unrealistic if you follow the benin theory.

I think it was oba ewuare who ended this tradition of burial in ife.

It does not sound reasonable. If the benin hypothesis was the truth, even odduduwa would have been buried in benin, his original homeland, and subsequent kings of benin would also be buried in benin.

1. Kingdoms, countries and other societies in the past have had their names changed. Babylon is presently Iraq, Persia is presently Iran. Even in more recent times, Upper Volta changed their name to Burkina Faso. So at some point, what was known as Igodomigodo metamorphosed in Bini. Now take note that Ile Ibinu is just Yoruba theory about the origin of the name. It is also said that the name was nothing like Ile Ibinu but it was called UBINI by the Itsekiri. So Ile Ibinu is just another farce.

2. Events in history provoke changes. The revelation of an Oracle led to the banishment of Ekaladerhan who was supposed to be the heir apparent of the last Ogiso Owodo. However, with him being out of the way, it became impossible for the Ogiso dynasty to be sustained. Thus leaving a gap which was temporarily filled in by the Ogiamiens. With the return of oranmiya, son of oduduwa the lost Ekaladerhan, a new dynasty was birthed. And that's why Bini has two dynasties; the Ogiso dynasty(Ogie iso - ogie meaning king and iso meaning sky) and Eweka dynasty which still exists even today.
Even in England, the Tudors' dynasty also came to an end before the present monarchy was born. So also did they have the House of Plantagenet and Lancaster.

3. There is nothing convincing of this claim. This particular issue has been extensively dealt with on this very thread so no need restating those points. You could simply go back and read through.


Oduduwa couldn't have been buried in Benin because he never returned. So its only sensible that he is buried in his naturalized country. Even in this day, there are so many Nigerians who die abroad and are buried there. So there's absolutely no shred of logic in that your inference.

Olu317:
Just imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply. ;DJust imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply.

Wake up from your hallucinations. Odu to da uwa is pure crap, but if you say you have worked it out as an answer to your oduduwa disjointed narrative, then so be it.

So you dubiously now hide under not wanting to learn a minority language. Meanwhile you had been creating the fraudulent impression that Edo was Yoruba and that was what propelled you to pointlessly ask what the oriki of Ekaladerhan was. That's practically the most insane thing I've heard. Its like you asking what the oriki of an English name is; doesn't that just sound silly?

You also baselessly claimed elsewhere that oduduwa is your direct ancestor. What a joke? So Lamurudu is also your ancestor abi? And what happened to the version of Yoruba history that has it that oduduwa originated from the middles east via Egypt? Or the laughable tale of him coming from the sky? So with that fraud you call history, that should imply that all of Yoruba race are from that your infinitesimal lineage... Lol. Guy, you are such a huge ass joke. All what you guys have been doing here in the name of history is just a comedy of errors.

Even as fallacious as some mythologies are, we've still seen Hollywood do adaptation of them mainly the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. But I haven't seen any such adaptation from Hollywood of those useless stories you people have been touting around all these years. That's because they don't appeal to common sense and reason.

Olu317:
Obviously, liars like you will continue to be emotional attached to Olofin Odua who you all lied and claimed was EKALADERHAN IZODUWA / IMADODUWA. Which out of the name was your Ekeherladan's name? These are four names I have mentioned. Are you not all revisionists? These names have no meaning Yoruba language. The last time I checked , I am the man's descendant,whose descendant are you Mr? Can you know my ancestor more than his descendants and I ? Abeg ,whose is supposed to keep off if not you? Mr lecturer from kingdom of Edo, give me and others evidence that the claimed Odudua was from Igodomigodo. In fact, you Edos don't even know the name of the man ,with your name fabrication for him. Odua has Oriki,does your Izoduwa or whatever name you call him know anything called Oriki? Since, you know the man more than Yorubas, what does Izoduwa mean?

Let me list borrowed by Edos–Bini Kingdom, to proof that the shared word came as result out of the civilation you had through contact with yorubas:
Can you see your life?
Edo
1. Ozo/Ojo–a child born with placenter wrapped around his neck.
2. Okun –Sea
Ogun/Oguum–god of Iron
3. Oloi–first wife of Oba( confusionim at the highest order)
4. Osafomé–God has released this to me(gave me)
5 Agan–Barren
6.Aye–world
7. Olokun- in Edo was said to have two version, which one is correct? Is it
There was a hunter that resided in
Urhonigbe ( near Benin City ) in Edo/Bini Kingdom or
In Evboesi , there was a boy named Omobe (rascal , troublesome child ) that had great physical ability and was trained to be a wrestler?
Edo revisionists online are 5 and 6 to lies.

Your lack of common sense is what prevented you from realizing that Edo is not Yoruba and so your theory of oriki is absolutely nonsensical and insane.

For your information, Izoduwa means I choose the path of wealth. If in all you claim to know about the Edos, you cannot even know what a simple Izoduwa means, then that again confirms you to be a thieving, dishonest historian.Stop creating phantom confusions anywhere, the Edo records are very ear. Unlike the usellly disjointed rubbish you people keep fishing out.

BabaRamota1980:
The book in this attachment is very illustrative of accuracy of records kept by historians in contact with Bini and Edo.

Notice how the author differentiated the two separate societies. In essence saying the Kingdom is owned by a people of non-Edo origin.

The BENIN KINGDOM and The Edo Speaking Peoples.

You people keep beating on water. Bini is a subset of Edo. All Bini's are Edo, but not all Edo are Bini. Same way all Ife are Yoruba, but nor all Yoruba Ife.

So readjust your senses.

Olu317:
Ekalahaderhan isnt real because at least, a great warrior as claimed by Edos would know he had a way to worship God(Eledumare) in the ancient. They dont have anything as such as this in Edoland as regard Odua. Take for instance, Oranmiyan ancestral worship attached to him involves Ram( White precisely without blemish). Odua who was the ancestor of Oranmiyan was also attached to a ram sacrifice as well. For every Ooni, to be crowned ,ram is killed for him. How on earth didn't this happened during Ogiso dynasty?Do they want to lie again about this? These people are bunch of liars and not here to write out the truth simply because a controversial predecessor Oba was made to believed such fairy tale story as if less than 20,000 or more patrilineal descendants of Oranmiyan reside in Edoland can know more than the source at ILE IFE .

You've been beating your foolishness all over the place for too long. Oduduwa is a god to you Yorubas, but he is a son to the Bini.

We've told you and would continue to tell you, tell your story from your own perspective and keep off the story of others. You Yoruba are historical cannibals. Yoruba's are the only people in the whole world who do not know their history, but want to tell other peoples own.

BabaRamota1980:
Olu is not arguing or fighting, he is setting history straight. He is doing a FANTASTIC job and we love his drive.

Notice that we can never disrespect or tarnish the stool of Omo N'Oba because the throne and crown, the staff of sword and Ase in his posession belong to Yoruba dynasty in Bini. However, we must continue to assault and denigrate those who seek to bring the Omo N'Oba into disrepute and erase the footprint of his ancestry...like the uncivilized Edos who we enlightened and taught the art of State Rulership.

Edo has done much to repeat the rebellion that led to our domination over them in past. If it wasn't for the broader modern political system that overshadows the traditional State power we should repeat our humiliation and introduce a third dynasty over their landlocked land and subject them under Ijaw for State Rulership. That way we can have an independent Bini ruled by Omo N'Oba and an independent Edo ruled by Ijaw Chiefs.

We did it in past when gave them the Ogiso Chiefdom in first dynasty, gave them Oba Kingdom in second dynasty......who says we cannot impose on them a third dynasty of rulers from Ijawland? Na Nigeria save Edo.

You have been a senseless comedian from the very onset. Read through your garbage once again and check for yourself if it has any wisdom in it? Anyway, take it or leave it, Ooni is and would always remain the boy of the Oba of Benin. It's too late for you to change that.