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Jesarmy:
I quite agree with you ,our focus should be on our Lord Jesus Christ the author and finisher of our faith and not be distracted about who is or is not the antichrist.Finally,my brethren let us be stedfast,unmoveable,always abounding in the work of the Lord,for as much as we know that our labour is not in vain the Lord.Remain blessed and rapturable.

How foolish!  Jesus says to be watchful. in Matthew 24 Jesus says the antichrist will even deceive the elect. how can you resist not being deceived? by being watchful! the deceived does not know they are deceived. no wonder some of the so called 'men of God' are even endosing the antichrist. Obama is certainly an antichrist. Yes he might not be THE ANTICHRIST, but he is an antichrist already you don't need anyone to tell you that. an antichrist is he who opposes Christ. now he is not saying it openly, but by their fruit you shall know them. he approve the killing (abortion) of innocent babies, legalize homosexual marriage (doesn't biology tell you that it is suppose to be mail and female? even animals don't do that!), he has other systematic programs against all that is of Christ!

see this post

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-226081.0.html


may God give you understanding

chikito1:
The bible's description about the anti christ is that he will come from the Middle east and not America.

Not everyboy sees Obama as the saviour or whatever you call it. The Republicans cannot stand him and

that is not because they are dedicated christains or see him as an Antichrist. Its just for Power reasons.

The reason he uses Hope and change is for political reasons. Too soon to judge. We as individuals

should be more concerend about our salvation and stop speculating who is or who is not the AntiChrist.

I am sure when the AntiChrist arrives, we all we know without a doubt, he will surely tick all the boxes

as the bible describes him to be.

How can you know when you are not attentive to God, but going with the herd of rebellious humanity? Mind you the Bible did not specify that the AntiChrist will come from the middle east. please read Revelation 13.

Even if it where so, then you are right on the spot. Obama grew up in Indonesia (real name Barry Soetoro). His father is a muslim from Kenya, where the US Embassy was bombed, by Kenyan Arab terrorists in the late 1990's.

Did Jesus allow divorce? is marriage an oath before God or is It by the approval of men? can one divorce a spouse for an offense or to marry another person? some believe that Jesus allowed divorce under some circumstances. they do quote this verse as reference

Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication , causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
KJV

But is that what he really means? What does God means by this verse

Malachi 2:14-16
You ask, "Why?" It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.

15 Has not [the LORD] made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

16 "I hate divorce ," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty.


JESUS ONLY ALLOW DIVORCE, IF DOING SO WILL STOP FORNICATION. THAT IS IF THE WOMAN OR MAN YOU MARRY IS NOT YOUR RIGHTFUL HUSBAND OR WIFE. marriage takes place at virginity in God's sight. So let's say your wife was deflowered by someone else, and you thought she merely sinned, you are dead wrong because you are committing fornication with another man's wife. she is not yours, but belong to the man who deflowered her. so Jesus allow separation only in this case to stop the fornication, you are committing with she who is not really your wife. see what Jesus told the Samaritan woman

John 4:16-18
He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."

17 "I have no husband," she replied.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."
NIV



What Cases of Fornication Allow for A Divorce?
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Jesus is talking in the context of Moses’ Law. This Law of Moses allowed divorce on two conditions
1. If the woman was not a virgin
2. If the man found some other uncleanness in her, or he just did not like her
Jesus gives the final rule, by saying you can’t just drop your wife for any arbitrary reason, except for fornication. Firstly, these verses are about a man divorcing a woman. They are not about a woman divorcing a man, which is quite common today. So what is the remaining reason why a man may divorce a woman according to the law of Moses? IF SHE IS NOT A VIRGIN.
This is the only way we can warrant divorce according to this passage of Scripture, applicable to those who are under the law of Moses. This leads us to ask, does the condition of virginity apply to us today, who are under the gospel? This brings us to the correct definition of fornication:
1. Fornication respects a disvirgined woman as understood above
2. Fornication comes from the Greek word “Indecency” and therefore respects a woman exposed in sex, obviously not a virgin.
THEREFORE WHERE THE BIBLE EXPECTS US TO STEER CLEAR OF FORNICATION IT IS THE SAME REQUIREMENT AS IN THE LAW OF MOSES
To prove this further, the early Christians were confused as to whether they should keep the law of Moses, and out of all of his laws, there were only four things left for Christians to keep according in the Law of Moses:
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Fornication is one of those things, fornication in the same sense as required by the law of Moses. Under the gospel therefore, fornication still must be stopped, and in the same sense as in the virginity law of Moses. The only difference in the gospel is that people are no longer stoned for fornication, but rather asked to repent, and go back to the original situation.
JESUS AIMS TO STOP FORNICATION
To understand the main question therefore - What type of divorce the Bible warrants in Jesus’ teaching “whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication” we need to understand that Jesus means TO STOP FORNICATION, and to not allow it to continue in perpetuity.
Men have authority and must take responsibility in this situation, and MEN are mostly to blame. Therefore to have sex with a disvirgined woman is fornication which must be stopped. Or to have left a woman that a man has disvirgined - to leave her to fornicate with another man - this must be stopped. It is fornication for her to go onto another man once she has lost her virginity.
Let us look at the case of a man and his virgin. Can he divorce her? There are many ways of being formally married in society, and even in the church, but the real marriage takes place at virginity:
1. If a woman who gave her virginity to her man then goes and has sex with another man - will separation or divorcing her stop the fornication? NO. The seperation and divorce will allow the fornication to continue. The woman must return back to her husband she gave her virginity to.
2. If a man then goes and has sex with another woman - will separation, or in the case where formal marriage took place - will divorcing him stop the fornication? NO again. The divorce will allow the fornication to continue. The man must return to his virgin wife.
3. But if a man is married formally to a woman who is not his virgin, whether they are married on paper or not, she has already been disvirgined - it is fornication to stay together as married. Now listen to me. There are some marriages God does not bless, and this is certainly one. It is an act of FORNICATION to have a non-virgin as wife, and in this case — will divorce stop the fornication? YES. Divorce will stop the fornication. Then they must divorce. Why must they divorce if everything is going rosy and well? Everything is NOT going rosy and well. Many people are guilty, guilty GUILTY. Another party has been abandoned, now FAR AWAY, and they try to smooth it over with smiles and a false happiness and deceit. Unless that outside party is DECEASED, that marriage is preventing the lost outside party of LONG AGO from being reconciled to God in this very marriage - I repeat what Jesus sternly says Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. This Scripture is saying clearly that it is causing ADULTERY for a man to have sex with a virgin and then to leave her to another man, unless she was not really a virgin (remember Christ’s idea of fornication is in the context of the virginity law of Moses). And It is ADULTERY for a woman to have sex with one man, then to go onto another man,
It may be her second marriage, or at least the second time she has slept with someone - doesn’t the bible teach us that she should not go about looking for a second husband? From what I see around me in the church at large, I really wonder if women pick up on this point at all, especially as it relates to women:
1 Corinthians 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
Often, this Scripture is quoted to support remarriage - 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. What does it mean, that a brother or sister is not under bondage, and called unto peace? Does it mean they can remarry? It does not say that. This Scripture is still subject to the previous quote 1 Corinthians 7:11 ”let her remain unmarried” Do not put something in the Scripture which is not there.
Where no solution can be reached, the woman must remain single until they are reconciled. Now there is no instruction for the man to remain single. But he is in great danger of judgment if he takes another woman who is a virgin. Often providence rules in these situations, God causes the man to not have more than one virgin, and his second wife is often not a virgin. In this case, we assume he too must remain single, or be reconciled. If his second wife is a virgin, then he is accountable to God for two women, and he is answerable for the many difficulties which will arise out of this situation.
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
The meaning of the Greek is the husband of FIRST wife. And not as incorrectly interpreted to mean that he is free to abandon his wife as long as he has only one wife at a time.
To repeat, There are many ways of being formally married in society, and even in the church, but the real marriage takes place at virginity. Your wife is the one who gave her virginity to you, and you as a man are accountable to her, whether you were formally married, whether you yourself were a virgin at the time, or whether you masturbated or had sex beforehand, or even if you were formally married to someone else at the time. The true meaning of virginity rests with the woman. We never hear of the Virgin Joseph. Only the Virgin Mary. AND JESUS ONLY ALLOWS DIVORCE IF THE WOMAN YOU ARE MARRIED TO IS NOT YOUR VIRGIN.
This needs to be loudly repeated again:
JESUS ONLY ALLOWS DIVORCE IF THE WOMAN YOU ARE MARRIED TO IS NOT YOUR VIRGIN
…
How Can We And Our Members Remain Free From The Sin of Fornication?
The pastor needs to preach and to support virginity. It will not be solved by shying away from the problem. We need to accept the biblical principle of purity, and live by it. We have to be so strict in our congregations to preach it and get members to return to the right husband and wife, or to remain single, or to enforce church discipline and dis-fellowship them.
New people obviously first have to be won to Christ before we can have any influence over them, or exercise any discipline in their case. They are brought in mostly ignorant of their situation. But long-standing Christians seeking church membership and especially leadership in any capacity must be disciplined.
This principle of virginity needs to be explained especially to young people who are still virgins.

Did you NOT know that scripture clearly states that a non-virgin is a married one?

The Genesis of scripture illuminates the truth of God, with the marriage of Adam and Eve:

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

The keyword is cleave. There is no mention nor inference of a wedding, nor of a pastor or priest, nor of a justice of the peace.

Jesus refers to that passage in Genesis when defining marriage. In Matthew 19:6 he says,

"Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said,

"For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

But Paul really sinks the clincher in 1st Corinthians 6:16, when he also quotes that defining passage in Genesis 2:24:

"What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh."
Is a non-virgin joined, or is Paul a liar?

So why do Christians so quickly gloss over when reading thru these passages, when the conduct of both the church and our society insist that the truth is something quite opposite?

"You aren't married until the preacher says you are", they say, "and until you sign on the dotted line". And they claim it's all about a ceremony, a "covenant", and legal declaration.
So was Jesus lying that it's an act of God?
Was Paul over stating the facts when he said a harlot and her customer are joined, just as Adam was to Eve?

In the past ten years, I've asked many pastors this question. They have mostly dodged answering some way. Some have tried to analyze my reputation, some hide behind their "doctrinal statements".

One pastor who I met for coffee said, "I agree 99 percent" but could not commit because of his "official position".

After I stopped meeting them for coffee and asked for a written statement, most flatly refuse to comment. Some have completely excluded me from their fellowship for raising this issue.

Another pastor said "it must be some other joining Paul is referring to", but wouldn't say what that joining is.

Basically, these pastors fear for their jobs. Hirelings, watching over the flock.

Christians in general feel it is their right to ignore scripture, provided their pastors have made a clear statement to the contrary.

It seems their goal was to relieve the folk of the important task of defining this for themselves. To make them doubt the obvious.

But if Christians do not define this for themselves, using their bible, then they will forever embrace the so-called civility and "morality" which they have been blinded by since childhood:

If you insist that a non-virgin who has never been "wed" is one who merely "sinned", are you calling an act of God sin?

If you insist that this same non-virgin can then go out and have a wedding with a second man, are you blessing what is called Adultery?

I'm not going to spell it out for you, but if you feel you have good biblical evidence to the contrary, feel free to contact me. And if you can see that a non-virgin IS joined for life, I urge you to call to notice the organized religous straight jacket that so many wear.

To repeat, There are many ways of being formally married in society, and even in the church, but the real marriage takes place at virginity. Your wife is the one who gave her virginity to you, and you as a man are accountable to her before God. So ladies, before you open your legs for someone to have ask yourself whether you have accepted that person as your husband. If someone break your hymen understand that you are bind to them for life, no matter how you try to cover up or shy from the fact. Marrying any other person is what Jesus calls fornication. remember what Jesus told the Samaritan woman.

John 4:16-18
He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."

17 "I have no husband," she replied.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."
NIV

Jesus means her rightful husband is the first person or husband (the one who broke her hymen) in God's sight, and no matter how society dress it; by allowing her have formal marriage in the church, God does not recognize such marriage. and woe to the pastor who approves of fornication by deceitfully joining people in such a marriage, because they are living a lie. there are marriages God does not bless. You can only stop the fornication by returning to your rightful husband, the one that broke your hymen

Darwin was a fellow possessed by demonic spirits. This caused him to set forth deceiving hypothesis and theories to deceive people of depraved mined.

Daniel 11:32
With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him .
NIV

All we know now is that Darwin is dead and we don't know what became of him, but our Jesus still lives and is at the right hand of God!

May God have mercy on you a deceived soul!

kola oloye:
What are you insinuating?
If we are to consider this, it means 75% of the people on earth were given birth to through another person's wife.
More than 75% women did not marry their first man so therefore your opinion to me does not hold water.

If you are not a woman's first man you are committing adultery and fornication with her, and the only way to stop it is to return her to her husband, her first man. Remember that God will not lay down his standards because many people are doing it. do you remember the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, or the days of Noah? how many people were doing the right thing? did God lay down his law because so many disobey?

Beware of the Great Beast! the catholic church is an apostate that follows the doctrine of demons. look at the various secret societies in the church! It is the devil's machine to send people to hell via deception, falls religion and falls hopes. RUN FOR YOUR DEAR LIFE! ONCE IN HELL YOU CAN'T GET OUT. find the truth in the bible and put your hope in Jesus alone! THAT IS THE WAY OF SALVATION. the tell you that you are not forgiven until the priest says you are. and you confess your sins to mortal man. what madness.  they teach you to TRUST THE CHURCH, and not Jesus Christ or what the Bible says so that you will not know the truth thereby they manipulate you with demonic lies as these apostasies below


1. the use of idols in worship (in the commandments God said to not make an image in the form of anything in heaven or earth, even His own image! Because he is God Invisible. idols are patronized by demons)
2. the worship of Mary (she is just like your sister or mother, nothing divine about her)
3. the lie that is purgatory (purgatory does not exist, at death you either go straight to hell or Heaven)
4. they claim you have to do penance before you can be totally forgiven (if that is so, what did Christ accomplished on the cross? is the Blood of Jesus not power to atone for the sinner?)


THE SEAT OF THE POPE IS THE THRONE OF SATAN ON EARTH. MIND YOU SATAN IS A DECEIVER, HE COMES IN DISGUISE.
read Daniel chapter 9 and Revelation 13 for more information.

God Bless You!

Beware of the one who comes as a type of messiah promising to save the world from its present crisis by speaking half truths and outrageous lies; one who promises world wide peace by sitting down with your enemies or uniting the global community to defeat the terrorist.


Folks, listen to me, "Obama is going to bring the World to its ending." I been saying this for months.

The Obama Administration has wasted no time in declaring war on Evangelical Christians. Within minutes after the new President took his oath of office, his staff posted his agendas concerning homosexuality and abortion on the White House website.

Sexual Perversion
With regard to sexual perversion, the President's policy goals are spelled out as follows:
1) Defeat all state and federal constitutional efforts to defend the definition of biblical marriage as being a union between one man and one woman.

2) Repeal the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) signed by Bill Clinton. (This is currently the only line of defense keeping all 50 states from being forced to recognize so-called "same-sex marriages" from extremely liberal states like Massachusetts and Connecticut.)

3) Repeal the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

4) Pass "hate crimes" legislation granting homosexuals and cross dressers special rights denied to other Americans. ( This legislation, depending on how it is drafted, could even attempt to muzzle any criticism of homosexuality as being unbiblical and unnatural perversion.)

5) Pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) which would force business owners (religious and otherwise) to abandon traditional values relative to sexual morality under penalty of law.

6) Create intentionally motherless and fatherless homes by expanding "gay adoption."

To see it for yourself, go to www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/civil_rights/ and scroll down the page to "Support for the LGBT Community." (LGBT is an acronym for "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered." Or, just click this link.

There is much, much more to come, so get ready!

# Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


Obama has spoken great things about "Change" and new prosperity for the world, written a book called "The Audacity of Hope." Many would say his argument that he is the best pro-life candidate is a blasphemy.
42 months is about the length of a presidential term.
# Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


In order to have power over all of the people of the Earth this would likely require a One-World-Government.
Obama talks about a New World Order in his Berlin speech that basically says Global Citizenship is required and not an option.
Many people already see Obama as the "President of the World."
# Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


Obama has primarily ran on messages of "Hope" and "Change" and Peace (opposing the Iraq War; Nuclear Disarmament - which is always in the name of peace but can actually cause great harm if the Super Powers like the USA do disarm, and a rogue country gets a hold of nuclear weapons)

Not to mention how the world has hailed him as a Messiah, (A mountain named after him, a National Holiday in the works, Oprah calling him 'The One', Children Singing His Praises, Youth 'Stepping' in Military Fatigues for him, gathering crowds over 100,000 strong, and everything else you can view on this site.) He has been seen by the non-religious as a 'Secular Messiah', and he has been compared to Jesus more and more frequently.

Choose this day who you shall serve. JESUS IS THE WAY!

Beware of the one who comes as a type of messiah promising to save the world from its present crisis by speaking half truths and outrageous lies; one who promises world wide peace by sitting down with your enemies or uniting the global community to defeat the terrorist.


Folks, listen to me, "Obama is going to bring the World to its ending." I been saying this for months.

The Obama Administration has wasted no time in declaring war on Evangelical Christians. Within minutes after the new President took his oath of office, his staff posted his agendas concerning homosexuality and abortion on the White House website.

Sexual Perversion
With regard to sexual perversion, the President's policy goals are spelled out as follows:
1) Defeat all state and federal constitutional efforts to defend the definition of biblical marriage as being a union between one man and one woman.

2) Repeal the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) signed by Bill Clinton. (This is currently the only line of defense keeping all 50 states from being forced to recognize so-called "same-sex marriages" from extremely liberal states like Massachusetts and Connecticut.)

3) Repeal the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

4) Pass "hate crimes" legislation granting homosexuals and cross dressers special rights denied to other Americans. ( This legislation, depending on how it is drafted, could even attempt to muzzle any criticism of homosexuality as being unbiblical and unnatural perversion.)

5) Pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) which would force business owners (religious and otherwise) to abandon traditional values relative to sexual morality under penalty of law.

6) Create intentionally motherless and fatherless homes by expanding "gay adoption."

To see it for yourself, go to www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/civil_rights/ and scroll down the page to "Support for the LGBT Community." (LGBT is an acronym for "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered." Or, just click this link.

There is much, much more to come, so get ready!

# Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


Obama has spoken great things about "Change" and new prosperity for the world, written a book called "The Audacity of Hope." Many would say his argument that he is the best pro-life candidate is a blasphemy.
42 months is about the length of a presidential term.
# Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


In order to have power over all of the people of the Earth this would likely require a One-World-Government.
Obama talks about a New World Order in his Berlin speech that basically says Global Citizenship is required and not an option.
Many people already see Obama as the "President of the World."
# Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


Obama has primarily ran on messages of "Hope" and "Change" and Peace (opposing the Iraq War; Nuclear Disarmament - which is always in the name of peace but can actually cause great harm if the Super Powers like the USA do disarm, and a rogue country gets a hold of nuclear weapons)

Not to mention how the world has hailed him as a Messiah, (A mountain named after him, a National Holiday in the works, Oprah calling him 'The One', Children Singing His Praises, Youth 'Stepping' in Military Fatigues for him, gathering crowds over 100,000 strong, and everything else you can view on this site.) He has been seen by the non-religious as a 'Secular Messiah', and he has been compared to Jesus more and more frequently.

Choose this day who you shall serve. JESUS IS THE WAY!

Did you NOT know that scripture clearly states that a non-virgin is a married one?

The Genesis of scripture illuminates the truth of God, with the marriage of Adam and Eve:

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

The keyword is cleave. There is no mention nor inference of a wedding, nor of a pastor or priest, nor of a justice of the peace.

Jesus refers to that passage in Genesis when defining marriage. In Matthew 19:6 he says,

"Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said,

"For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

But Paul really sinks the clincher in 1st Corinthians 6:16, when he also quotes that defining passage in Genesis 2:24:

"What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh."
Is a non-virgin joined, or is Paul a liar?

So why do Christians so quickly gloss over when reading thru these passages, when the conduct of both the church and our society insist that the truth is something quite opposite?

"You aren't married until the preacher says you are", they say, "and until you sign on the dotted line". And they claim it's all about a ceremony, a "covenant", and legal declaration.
So was Jesus lying that it's an act of God?
Was Paul over stating the facts when he said a harlot and her customer are joined, just as Adam was to Eve?

In the past ten years, I've asked many pastors this question. They have mostly dodged answering some way. Some have tried to analyze my reputation, some hide behind their "doctrinal statements".

One pastor who I met for coffee said, "I agree 99 percent" but could not commit because of his "official position".

After I stopped meeting them for coffee and asked for a written statement, most flatly refuse to comment. Some have completely excluded me from their fellowship for raising this issue.

Another pastor said "it must be some other joining Paul is referring to", but wouldn't say what that joining is.

Basically, these pastors fear for their jobs. Hirelings, watching over the flock.

Christians in general feel it is their right to ignore scripture, provided their pastors have made a clear statement to the contrary.

It seems their goal was to relieve the folk of the important task of defining this for themselves. To make them doubt the obvious.

But if Christians do not define this for themselves, using their bible, then they will forever embrace the so-called civility and "morality" which they have been blinded by since childhood:

If you insist that a non-virgin who has never been "wed" is one who merely "sinned", are you calling an act of God sin?

If you insist that this same non-virgin can then go out and have a wedding with a second man, are you blessing what is called Adultery?

I'm not going to spell it out for you, but if you feel you have good biblical evidence to the contrary, feel free to contact me. And if you can see that a non-virgin IS joined for life, I urge you to call to notice the organized religous straight jacket that so many wear.

To repeat, There are many ways of being formally married in society, and even in the church, but the real marriage takes place at virginity. Your wife is the one who gave her virginity to you, and you as a man are accountable to her before God. So ladies, before you open your legs for someone to have ask yourself whether you have accepted that person as your husband. If someone break your hymen understand that you are bind to them for life, no matter how you try to cover up or shy from the fact. Marrying any other person is what Jesus calls fornication. remember what Jesus told the Samaritan woman.

John 4:16-18
He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."

17 "I have no husband," she replied.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."
NIV

Jesus means her rightful husband is the first person or husband (the one who broke her hymen) in God's sight, and no matter how society dress it; by allowing her have formal marriage in the church, God does not recognize such marriage. and woe to the pastor who approves of fornication by deceitfully joining people in such a marriage, because they are living a lie. there are marriages God does not bless. You can only stop the fornication by returning to your rightful husband, the one that broke your hymen

People divorce because they are depraved of mind. they do not understand that God does not allow divorce. People need to understand that when you marry you are taking a vow before God and not before men. For Heaven rules. God is the REAL government. the ones we have one earth are subject to God's Authority.

Malachi 2:14-16
You ask, "Why?" It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.

15 Has not [the LORD] made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

16 "I hate divorce ," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty.


JESUS ONLY ALLOW DIVORCE, IF DOING SO WILL STOP FORNICATION. THAT IS IF THE WOMAN OR MAN YOU MARRY IS NOT YOUR RIGHTFUL HUSBAND OR WIFE. marriage takes place at virginity in God's sight. So let's say your wife was deflowered by someone else, and you thought she merely sinned, you are dead wrong because you are committing fornication with another man's wife. she is not yours, but belong to the man who deflowered her. so Jesus allow separation only in this case to stop the fornication, you are committing with she who is not really your wife. see what Jesus told the Samaritan woman

John 4:16-18
He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."

17 "I have no husband," she replied.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."
NIV



What Cases of Fornication Allow for A Divorce?
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Jesus is talking in the context of Moses’ Law. This Law of Moses allowed divorce on two conditions
1. If the woman was not a virgin
2. If the man found some other uncleanness in her, or he just did not like her
Jesus gives the final rule, by saying you can’t just drop your wife for any arbitrary reason, except for fornication. Firstly, these verses are about a man divorcing a woman. They are not about a woman divorcing a man, which is quite common today. So what is the remaining reason why a man may divorce a woman according to the law of Moses? IF SHE IS NOT A VIRGIN.
This is the only way we can warrant divorce according to this passage of Scripture, applicable to those who are under the law of Moses. This leads us to ask, does the condition of virginity apply to us today, who are under the gospel? This brings us to the correct definition of fornication:
1. Fornication respects a disvirgined woman as understood above
2. Fornication comes from the Greek word “Indecency” and therefore respects a woman exposed in sex, obviously not a virgin.
THEREFORE WHERE THE BIBLE EXPECTS US TO STEER CLEAR OF FORNICATION IT IS THE SAME REQUIREMENT AS IN THE LAW OF MOSES
To prove this further, the early Christians were confused as to whether they should keep the law of Moses, and out of all of his laws, there were only four things left for Christians to keep according in the Law of Moses:
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Fornication is one of those things, fornication in the same sense as required by the law of Moses. Under the gospel therefore, fornication still must be stopped, and in the same sense as in the virginity law of Moses. The only difference in the gospel is that people are no longer stoned for fornication, but rather asked to repent, and go back to the original situation.
JESUS AIMS TO STOP FORNICATION
To understand the main question therefore - What type of divorce the Bible warrants in Jesus’ teaching “whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication” we need to understand that Jesus means TO STOP FORNICATION, and to not allow it to continue in perpetuity.
Men have authority and must take responsibility in this situation, and MEN are mostly to blame. Therefore to have sex with a disvirgined woman is fornication which must be stopped. Or to have left a woman that a man has disvirgined - to leave her to fornicate with another man - this must be stopped. It is fornication for her to go onto another man once she has lost her virginity.
Let us look at the case of a man and his virgin. Can he divorce her? There are many ways of being formally married in society, and even in the church, but the real marriage takes place at virginity:
1. If a woman who gave her virginity to her man then goes and has sex with another man - will separation or divorcing her stop the fornication? NO. The seperation and divorce will allow the fornication to continue. The woman must return back to her husband she gave her virginity to.
2. If a man then goes and has sex with another woman - will separation, or in the case where formal marriage took place - will divorcing him stop the fornication? NO again. The divorce will allow the fornication to continue. The man must return to his virgin wife.
3. But if a man is married formally to a woman who is not his virgin, whether they are married on paper or not, she has already been disvirgined - it is fornication to stay together as married. Now listen to me. There are some marriages God does not bless, and this is certainly one. It is an act of FORNICATION to have a non-virgin as wife, and in this case — will divorce stop the fornication? YES. Divorce will stop the fornication. Then they must divorce. Why must they divorce if everything is going rosy and well? Everything is NOT going rosy and well. Many people are guilty, guilty GUILTY. Another party has been abandoned, now FAR AWAY, and they try to smooth it over with smiles and a false happiness and deceit. Unless that outside party is DECEASED, that marriage is preventing the lost outside party of LONG AGO from being reconciled to God in this very marriage - I repeat what Jesus sternly says Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. This Scripture is saying clearly that it is causing ADULTERY for a man to have sex with a virgin and then to leave her to another man, unless she was not really a virgin (remember Christ’s idea of fornication is in the context of the virginity law of Moses). And It is ADULTERY for a woman to have sex with one man, then to go onto another man,
It may be her second marriage, or at least the second time she has slept with someone - doesn’t the bible teach us that she should not go about looking for a second husband? From what I see around me in the church at large, I really wonder if women pick up on this point at all, especially as it relates to women:
1 Corinthians 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
Often, this Scripture is quoted to support remarriage - 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. What does it mean, that a brother or sister is not under bondage, and called unto peace? Does it mean they can remarry? It does not say that. This Scripture is still subject to the previous quote 1 Corinthians 7:11 ”let her remain unmarried” Do not put something in the Scripture which is not there.
Where no solution can be reached, the woman must remain single until they are reconciled. Now there is no instruction for the man to remain single. But he is in great danger of judgment if he takes another woman who is a virgin. Often providence rules in these situations, God causes the man to not have more than one virgin, and his second wife is often not a virgin. In this case, we assume he too must remain single, or be reconciled. If his second wife is a virgin, then he is accountable to God for two women, and he is answerable for the many difficulties which will arise out of this situation.
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
The meaning of the Greek is the husband of FIRST wife. And not as incorrectly interpreted to mean that he is free to abandon his wife as long as he has only one wife at a time.
To repeat, There are many ways of being formally married in society, and even in the church, but the real marriage takes place at virginity. Your wife is the one who gave her virginity to you, and you as a man are accountable to her, whether you were formally married, whether you yourself were a virgin at the time, or whether you masturbated or had sex beforehand, or even if you were formally married to someone else at the time. The true meaning of virginity rests with the woman. We never hear of the Virgin Joseph. Only the Virgin Mary. AND JESUS ONLY ALLOWS DIVORCE IF THE WOMAN YOU ARE MARRIED TO IS NOT YOUR VIRGIN.
This needs to be loudly repeated again:
JESUS ONLY ALLOWS DIVORCE IF THE WOMAN YOU ARE MARRIED TO IS NOT YOUR VIRGIN
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How Can We And Our Members Remain Free From The Sin of Fornication?
The pastor needs to preach and to support virginity. It will not be solved by shying away from the problem. We need to accept the biblical principle of purity, and live by it. We have to be so strict in our congregations to preach it and get members to return to the right husband and wife, or to remain single, or to enforce church discipline and dis-fellowship them.
New people obviously first have to be won to Christ before we can have any influence over them, or exercise any discipline in their case. They are brought in mostly ignorant of their situation. But long-standing Christians seeking church membership and especially leadership in any capacity must be disciplined.
This principle of virginity needs to be explained especially to young people who are still virgins.

It is unfortunate how perverse humans have become. People refuse to put their hope in the Living Jesus,  but the foolish cast their hope on a helpless, fallible  mortal man. No wonder only 25% of people who claim to be Christians actually make heaven, because most are fake, they don't know how to trust their Lord. but rather will believe the lies of the devil. O, you adulterous generation! how can you escape the judgment of God? Look at what God says

Jeremiah 17:5-9
This is what the LORD says:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who depends on flesh for his strength
and whose heart turns away from the LORD.
6 He will be like a bush in the wastelands;
he will not see prosperity when it comes.
He will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives.

7 "But blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD,
whose confidence is in him.
8 He will be like a tree planted by the water
that sends out its roots by the stream.
It does not fear when heat comes;
its leaves are always green.
It has no worries in a year of drought
and never fails to bear fruit."

9 The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
NIV


This Obama guy is posing as one messiah. Be careful with him! he might not be the Anti-Christ, but the Anti-Christ will come in the same manner. he who has an ear, let him hear! Our treasure is not in this world. Our treasure is in Heaven. focus your mind there and serve Our Lord, Jesus Christ faithfully, this way, you will not lose your reward.

Hebrews 12:1-3
2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
NIV


Children of God beware! God bless you all.

Remember that marriage is a covenant before God and not before men as people will have you to believe. If we know that, there will be no such problems associated with marriages this days. Marriage takes place when you and the person take a covenant before God and this marriage is sealed by sexual union, between the two, when the two have now become one flesh!

see what the Bible says

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

The keyword is cleave. There is no mention nor inference of a wedding, nor of a pastor or priest, nor of a justice of the peace.

Jesus refers to that passage in Genesis when defining marriage. In Matthew 19:6 he says,

"Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said,

"For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

But Paul really sinks the clincher in 1st Corinthians 6:16, when he also quotes that defining passage in Genesis 2:24:

"What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh."


IN THE SIGHT OF GOD YOU ARE MARRIED WHEN YOU GIVE ANOTHER YOUR VIRGINITY

Genesis 29:21
Finally the time came for him to marry her.
"I have fulfilled my contract," Jacob said to Laban. "Now give me my wife, so that I can sleep with her."
TLB

The SLEEP WITH HER is the marriage!

To repeat, There are many ways of being formally married in society, and even in the church, but the real marriage takes place at virginity. Your wife is the one who gave her virginity to you, and you as a man are accountable to her, whether you were formally married, whether you yourself were a virgin at the time, or whether you masturbated or had sex beforehand, or even if you were formally married to someone else at the time.

Did you NOT know that scripture clearly states that a non-virgin is a married one?

The Genesis of scripture illuminates the truth of God, with the marriage of Adam and Eve:

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

The keyword is cleave. There is no mention nor inference of a wedding, nor of a pastor or priest, nor of a justice of the peace.

Jesus refers to that passage in Genesis when defining marriage. In Matthew 19:6 he says,

"Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said,

"For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

But Paul really sinks the clincher in 1st Corinthians 6:16, when he also quotes that defining passage in Genesis 2:24:

"What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh."
Is a non-virgin joined, or is Paul a liar?

So why do Christians so quickly gloss over when reading thru these passages, when the conduct of both the church and our society insist that the truth is something quite opposite?

"You aren't married until the preacher says you are", they say, "and until you sign on the dotted line". And they claim it's all about a ceremony, a "covenant", and legal declaration.
So was Jesus lying that it's an act of God?
Was Paul over stating the facts when he said a harlot and her customer are joined, just as Adam was to Eve?

In the past ten years, I've asked many pastors this question. They have mostly dodged answering some way. Some have tried to analyze my reputation, some hide behind their "doctrinal statements".

One pastor who I met for coffee said, "I agree 99 percent" but could not commit because of his "official position".

After I stopped meeting them for coffee and asked for a written statement, most flatly refuse to comment. Some have completely excluded me from their fellowship for raising this issue.

Another pastor said "it must be some other joining Paul is referring to", but wouldn't say what that joining is.

Basically, these pastors fear for their jobs. Hirelings, watching over the flock.

Christians in general feel it is their right to ignore scripture, provided their pastors have made a clear statement to the contrary.

But instead, why not simply open your bible and read the words of your Master, and seek the truth for yourself?

If you insist that a non-virgin who has never been "wed" is one who merely "sinned", are you calling an act of God sin?

If you insist that this same non-virgin can then go out and have a wedding with a second man, are you blessing what is called Adultery?

I'm not going to spell it out for you, but if you feel you have good biblical evidence to the contrary, feel free to contact me. And if you can see that a non-virgin IS joined for life, I urge you to call to notice the organized religous straight jacket that so many wear.