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By the way dafidixone, the site you got that from is full of lies. Let me give you an example. The website says:
"In Sahih Bukhari's Hadiths volume 1, Book 6, number 316 - Muhammad had sex with his wives, and slaves, while fasting - Thus, Muhammad violated the {no daytime sex} rule of Allah/Quran 2:187 and he showed no respect for Allah's commands (because he obviously knew there was no Allah, as it was his own fabrication). This deceit in Islam, was 'legalized' because of Muhammad's maniac behavior."

So checked the hadith and this is what it says:
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 6 :: Hadith 316
Narrated 'Urwa:

'Aisha said, "We set out with the Prophet in his last Hajj. Some of us intended to perform 'Umra while others Hajj. When we reached Mecca, Allah's Apostle said, 'Those who had assumed the lhram for'Umra and had not brought the Hadi should finish his lhram and whoever had assumed the Ihram for 'Umra and brought the Hadi should not finish the Ihram till he has slaughtered his Hadi and whoever had assumed the lhram for Hajj should complete his Hajj." 'Aisha further said, "I got my periods (menses) and kept on menstruating till the day of 'Arafat, and I had assumed the Ihram for 'Umra only (Tamattu'). The Prophet ordered me to undo and comb my head hair and assume the lhram for Hajj only and leave the 'Umra. I did the same till I completed the Hajj. Then the Prophet sent 'Abdur Rahman bin Abi Bakr with me and ordered me to perform 'Umra from At-Tan'im in lieu of the missed 'Umra."

Don't believe in others blindly; check it out for yourself.

Moving on, dafidixone, what was your intention when making this topic? It seems you're trying to tarnish the image of islam. As I said earlier, I hope we're all here to learn from each other. But the fact that you're getting info about islam from such sites shows you're trying to ridicule islam. If you really wanted to learn about islam, you'll get the quran and read it, read islamic books, etc. And if its online, then visit websites created by muslims, muslim scholars, converts to islam. THERE, you'll find out about islam.

Permit me to say one thing: the best way of convincing someone about your religion is by talking about the religion and NOT by defaming other religions. Talk about the merits of christianity and stop representing Islam in a bad light. By concentrating on the defects of other religions, you'll make people think that you're a hate-filled individual, that your religion has no merits and that you're trying to manipulate them by only presenting one side of the story. (I'm not saying that you are).

Peace.

Can't we all just be nice?? Don't let this get personal; attack the post not the person.
We're all here to learn from each other (I hope) and not to cause enmity. Be neutral towards people because you may come to love the person you hate today. Please direct your anger towards the action not the actor. I'm not defending the poster here because I was equally provoked by his post (NB: HIS POST annoyed me NOT HIM).

PS: this is to everyone on both sides of the fence.

Men and women have different roles in marriage; taking care of the home is part of a woman's duty.
She should, therefore, not embark on a career that compromises her primary duty as a wife (ie its not her duty to earn the daily bread while it IS her duty to take care of her home). For instance, if her place of work compels her to work till around 8:00pm every weekday that would clearly inconvenience her husband and kids. However, if her work has no effect on her taking care of her home and spending time with her kids, then its none of the husbands business. So the husband should have a say in where his wife works insofar as it affects her responsibilities as a wife.

That aside, the nature of the job could also be an issue. If its a job that has unpleasant connotations or arouses suspicions (such as being a bartender), then obviously its a no-no.
But in most cases, the woman is able to make the right decisions herself so the husband doesn't have to intrude.

I truly mean it when I say "my mum can marry whoever she wants as long as he's a righteous man without my feeling discomfitted by her marriage". Believe me.
I don't care what people say as long as I believe what I'm doing is RIGHT. I weigh my actions on the scale of God's commands not people's thoughts so what they think of me doesn't really bother me. THEY aren't gonna share my grave with me when I die so they can have no say in how I live my life.

Nah, dafidixone, that's why I said you weren't attacking me personally cos I'm not taking it personally.
Peace?

lol, seems we've digressed from the topic!
Now, back to the topic. I've stated my perspective and what I know about this matter, y'all are free to draw your own conclusions.

Umm, why is this just for girls? Its nasty for both genders! Why is it Ok for a guy not to shave??

See, discrimination again.
People are surely free to marry whoever they want without their intelligence being suspected. Funnily enough, I was (and still am) the mature girl amongst my peers. My teachers, librarians, etc all loved me because they believed me to be an intelligent girl. I'm not trying to praise myself or boast (because I believe its all God's blessings and not due to me) but your mention of being knowledgeable made me put that up.

I ain't no dull girl, praise God, I was deputy headgirl in secondary school, I am the class representative of my coursemates in university and I was always the girl who gets the prizes and all that and more. So please, this aint about intelligence cos both my peers and my superiors hold me in respect for that, yet I still believe Muhammad (SAW) is perfect and there was nothing wrong with his marriage. I pray to God that my kids become as like him as possible.

but nevermind, dafidixone, I'm sure you weren't attacking me personally

Explain the immoral aspect of THIS marriage please.

For me, Muhammad (SAW) is my role model; he's the perfect man. When I get married, it will be based on how similar the guy's character is to that of the Prophet's. When I have kids, I want my children to be just like him. Right now, I want to be like him. I want my brother to be like him. Why? Because he is THE BEST OF CREATION, the best of mankind, a mercy to the world.
And I love him.

When referring to him, I say "my dad".
When talking to him, I say "daddy".

Lord bless him!!

dafidixone:


You too can do the same?

Why not, dafidixone? If I reach 40 and there's a nice, righteous, trustworthy guy that I like, why shouldn't I marry him regardless of his age?

Can I ask you a question? Are you married? If so, what's the age difference between you and your wife? If not, what's the age difference between you and your girlfriend/fiance?

About Khadijah (RA):

The first woman to follow the religion of Islam was Khadijah Bint Khuwaylid. Every Muslim knows who she was and what a role-model she was and continues to be. We also know that she was according to the Prophet (saw), one of the four greatest women from among the whole earth.

Khadijah was born in the year 555 C.E. (Christian era). Her parents were Khuwailid and Fatimah bint Zaidah. By the time she reached the age of forty she had attained quite a reputation for herself. She was known as a wealthy, noble, fine-natured business woman.

Khadijah heard about Mohammed's (saw) reputation for being an honest and upright young man. She sent him a proposal to ask him to handle some of her business affairs. On the return from one trip to Syria, he reported a profit that doubled that which anyone else had done for her. Needless to say, that impressed her greatly!

Khadijah's satisfaction with her new employee was soon to turn into love. Despite their age difference of 15 years, she desired to marry him. She confided this desire to her friend, Nufaysah, who in turn approached Mohammed (saw). This confused him. How could such a noble woman, who had turned down the marriage proposals of the noblest and wealthiest Quraysh men, desire to marry him?! Mohammed uncle Abu Talib and Khadijah's uncle 'Umar ibn Asad sat down to arrange the completion of the marriage. Little did any of them know just what the future had in store for this new couple!]

Allah bestowed upon them six children. They were given two boys, Qasim and 'Abdullah, but neither survived infancy. They were also given four daughters, Zainab, Ruqaiyyah, Umm Kulthum, and Fatimah.

Mohammed would often go to Mount Hira for meditation. On returning one day, Khadijah could see he was quite shaken and upset. She inquired about this and he told her what had happened. She found out that today had been unlike any other in that, today, he had been given revelations from God! He had thought that he was possessed and was going mad. Khadijah tried to console her terrified husband by saying:

"Rejoice, O son of my uncle, and be of good heart. Surely by Him in whose hand is my soul, I have hope that you will be the prophet of this people. You have never done any wrong to anyone. You are kind to others and you help the poor. So Allah will not let you down."

He then asked for a blanket and she quickly fulfilled his request. Shortly thereafter, he fell asleep. when Mohammed woke, Khadijah took him to her cousin, Waraqah bin Nawfal. He was Christian and quite knowledgeable of the scriptures of the Torah and Bible. He confirmed Mohammed's prophethood and said:

"This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out."

Just a few months later Gabriel came again and ordered him to start warning the people. Khadijah supported him in this by financially supporting the family and his teaching. She was also content to raise the children and handle the family affairs so that he could preach.

During the next 10 years, she proved herself to be a loving wife. She supported him when nobody else would. She consoled him when rough time hit them. She comforted and encouraged him when the Quraish did all they could to stop him from preaching. [/size][/font]The marriage to Khadijah was a "one wife marriage". For 25 years of the Prophet's prime age and in a time and place where unlimited polygamy was quite acceptable, and until the death of Khadijah, it remained a monogamous marriage. She died on 10 Ramadan 620 C.E. in the 10th year of prophethood at 65. Long after her death, Mohammed remembered and honored her often.

There is a lesson in Khadijah's life. She accepted and started working for the religion of Islam after the first revelation. This not only made her the first Muslim but also a role-model for women today. She led the example of a good, loving wife. She also showed us how to forget the desires of this life and work only for the good of Islam. Khadijah truly was a righteous woman.

source: http://www.islamfortoday.com/khadijah.htm

dafidixone:
Muhammad's Early Life

Muhammad was born in 571 A.D.; but his father, Abdallah, died 4 months before he was born. His family belonged to the Banu Hashim clan of the Qoraish tribe of Saudi Arabia. Orphaned, infant Muhammad and his widowed mother, Amina (daughter of Wahd), were looked after by Abdul Mutalib (Grandfather of Muhammad). During this time, Halima, a Bedouin lady, nursed infant Muhammad {I have no record of why Amina did not breast-feed/nurse infant Muhammad}. After a few weeks, Halima complained infant Muhammad was possessed by the devil and refused him. His mother, Amina then died, when he was only 5 years old. When orphaned Muhammad was 8, his grandfather, Abdul Mutalib also died, and the boy Muhammad was passed to his uncle, Abu Talib, who had a trading caravan business with Syria and he put little Muhammad to work in this caravan business. At age 20, Abu Talib passed Muhammad to work for Khadija, who owned a thriving and large caravan business. At age 25, Muhammad married his boss, 40-year-old rich widow Khadija, and thereby became stepfather of Khadija's two daughters from a previous marriage. Muhammad did not show 'his true colours' while married to Khadija. He was faithful to Khadija (1 wife for 2 decades) and was obedient and respected her, till she died.

If this is right, how will Islam discourage "Sugar Mummy" Phenomena inthe life of our youth today?

Show me an authentic proof that Halima refused to breastfeed Muhammad (SAW) because he was possessed. She breastfed him and weaned him. She took care of him till he was 5!, and they were still close after he grew up. He always treated her like his mother and she treated him like her son.

His mother died when he was 6 not 5.
He was sent to a wet-nurse (Halima) because in those days, rich people didn't breastfeed their children; they preferred to use wet-nurses. It  wasn't just so that the mother regains her beautiful shape quickly after birth, it was also thoguht to be better for the child because these nurses were bedouins so the child would be raised in the open desert air and would grow up strong and healthy.

And yeah, that's one thing Islam doesn't condone; discrimination! We don't discriminate against people on the basis of something so shallow and superficial as age! We look at the person's character.

So?? I fail to follow your logic. What's so shocking about that?
She liked him for his honesty, respectability, wisdom and all that so she proposed to him and he accepted. You will find that she initially employed him to carry out some of her business deals in Syria; he made such a profitable deal for her that she was impressed by his intelligence. SHE was the one who proposed to him.

How is it like the sugar-mummy phenomenon? Its not like they had premarital sex or anything? Abi you believe that age is a barrier to love? Especially when it isn't such a big difference? What's 15 years when 80-year-olds dey marry 23-year-olds?

Besides why is it ok for a 40-year-old man to marry a 25-year-old woman but the reverse is frowned upon? That's what I call SEXISM!!! Pure double-standards! I think you're being blinded by the Nigerian culture in which the man is expected to be older, get rid of those cultural shackles and open your mind! Look at the States, the actors and actresses (all of them as rich as the other) are marrying/dating people of different ages! I can't remember who Justin Timberlake was going out with but, yo, she was way older than him! You don't get people going "ooooh, sugar-mummy", do you?

Please people, don't turn this into a fight cos it aint one. Its simply a thread to reply to the posters questions so please do not attack other people's beliefs, that is NOT the puepose of this thread. If you have any beef about Islam, this aint the place for expressing it. Focus on the question, answer it, and step outta the forum gracefully.

Now can we all behave maturely and stop bickering?

Btw, Olabowale and Combatant, those were good posts, mashaAllah.

dafidixone:
Are this materials more supperior than the Quaran?

Please, dafidixone, read my posts carefully before replying to them. I said quite clearly "Have you ever read the Quran?". The Quran was the first thing I mentioned before the history books. Why would I do that if I didn't think that the Quran is superior to the other materials. I'm just suggesting a variety of other resources so you can decide for yourself.

I don't know what you all are out to do but please be sensible and do not post about things you have no knowledge about. You guys aren't muslims and you haven't made an unbiased study of Islam (if you did, Salman Rushdie wouldn't be the person you'd be quoting!) so please, please, for the sake of a mature discussion, do not claim to know what you do not know.
Having said that, let me respond to some of the comments here.

alafin:
@skyone

But the muslim says without allah you can't make heaven

To be honest with ourselves and i want people to help as well, now excluding muhammed does it really mean allah is God? I'm seroius about this please i need specific answer.

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off, muslims believe that "THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER".
That statement is the foundation of Islam; anyone who doesn't believe that is not a muslim. Allah is the One God who created the universe, who created you and I and every creature. He it is who controls the universe. He has Power over everything. He is ONE.

He created Paradise and Hell and He is in full control of them. In plain, simple logic, how can anyone expect to enter Paradise without pleasing the one who created it, who owns and controls it? It follows, therefore, that muslims believe that the only way of gaining admittance into Paradise is by worshipping God.

Backslider:
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The Allah of the Arabs before Mohamed Was worshiped as one of the god in the Kaaba. I beleive the Quraish people wanted to Unify all the idol gods that existed. The idols wanted to gain eminence so Islam gave them the chance by Allah.

The unification of all the gods of the Arabs is what brought about a Religiocultural change. Some Arab atheist know that the origin of Islam is from coerciveness. Once you are a Muslim you are a citizen of the Islamic state. This theory is what is used by the Jews to claim that they must have a Jewish state for the Jews.

One would ask by what gods name was the father Mohamed named.

But in all this things God is not Ashamed to take up in a language tribe or culture the name of the Highest deity. God made the Language and not language that made God.

Not true. You are not muslim simply by living in an Islamic state. Pick up any islamic history textbook; how come there was a Jewish community in Medinah during the time of the Prophet(SAW) while Madinah was the centre of Islamic affairs? Madinah was the stronghold of Islam at that time and yet there were Jews living in there! Better yet, pick up a translation of the Qur'an. Who does it call muslim? In fact, in Islam, behaving like a muslim while not believing in Islam does NOT make you muslim, talkless of just living in the same state as them!

Yeah, if the Quraish wanted to unify all their idols and all that, why would they be vehemently opposed to Islam? Do you know what the early muslims went through, what they suffered at the hands of the Quraish? What about all the battles the Quraish launched in an attempt to wipe out Islam. My fellow Nigerian, the Quraish had no such thought in their minds! If they did, they would have welcomed islam and not persecuted its messenger and followers.

You're right, Muhammad's (SAW) father is called Abdullah. That's because, Allah in Arabic means God. Basically, Abdullah means "Servant of God", "Eru olohun" (in Yoruba), so what does that signify? The word "God" is in every language and it is part of many people's names regardless of their religious or cultural background. For example, Rahmah is an Islamic name, its an Arabic name meaning "Mercy". Now that's an English name too! And in Yoruba we have the name "Anu" which (Oh my God!) also means mercy!!! Does that mean that the Islamic one came from the English or Arabic or Yoruba usage? No, its just a general term. Same thing applies to the word God, it applies to every language.

In Yoruba, we have Olohun which is God, then they have the names of the specific idols such as Sango, Ogun, Oya, etc. So the Quraish also had Allah which just means God and they had the idolls such as Lat and Uzzat.

dafidixone:
I don't know if anyone in this house have read a little about a book written by Salman Rushdie. He quated a particular verse of Al-qutran that I feel answers this question.

Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22

In this verse he claimed that When Muhammad and his community came under severe persecution, eighty-three of his followers who had no protection emigrated from Mecca to Ethiopia, taking refuge in the ancient Christian country, Abyssinia. Under increasing boycotts and pressure, Muhammad went through a time of weakness and compromised with the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of three pagan goddesses alongside Allah: Lat, Uzza, and Manat. The Arabian goddesses are mentioned in Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22.

The statement that Allah was involved with female goddesses while Muhammad and his people were left with men, was cynically discussed by author Salman Rushdie. He made the impure account even more obscene. His book was regarded as utterly blasphemous by all Muslims.

Now emphasising this you will understand that Allah is one of the gods or head of the gods in mecca as at that time. So how can that be the Jehovah; Father of Jesus Christ?

One Question; Have you ever read the Quran or any book on Islamic history?
You allege that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) compromised with the Quraish because his followers were being persecuted and had to go to Abyssinia. Lets assume that was the case. So what happens when he compromises? The Quraish will be happy and the muslims will be safe, right? Did such a thing happen? Well, NO, because the Prophet (SAW) did no such thing! There was no compromise! In fact, the situation worsened until the Prophet (SAW) had to migrate from Makkah to Madinah. THAT was what happened.

If you read a comprehensive Islamic history textbook, you will read about the time when the prominent chiefs of the Quraish went to the Prophet (SAW) imploring him to compromise with them, offering him their wealth, offering him the leadership of the Quraishi community just so that he could change his message. What was his response? He told them that even if they offered him the sum and the moon, he would never agree to their requests!
Besides, read the Qur'an, everywhere, it re-iterates that there is only ONE GOD, where is info about the three godesses hiding??

"Say: He is Allah, the One, "[Qur'an 112:1]

I recommend you watch the movie called "The Message" by Anthony Quinn. Its basically about the early history of islam and was done by a Christian! Provides an un-biased narration.

Salamu alaykum, younghoodi.
Its good you're writing Islamic poems and if you could just reduce the "ghetto-ish" tone of the poem, it would have a more Islamic feel. By the way, by talking about muslim blood, you give the impression that islam is an inherited thing like lineage and genes, but it isnt. Its a faith that knows no barriers of ancestry and such, it overcomes those barriers simply because it is a matter of the heart. Being from a muslim family doesn't automatically make you muslim; you're only muslim if you believe in islam. That, my bro, is the beauty of islam.

Come on, have mercy! A child is a blessing from God and I call it murder to abort a child that's already developing in your womb without any medical reason (such as a health risk to the mother). Many people are looking for children so please tell your friend to just thank God for his blessings and raise the child well.
Whether she's had 6, 8, 10 or 12 children, what does it signify? Suppose something were to happen to them (God forbid) leaving only this little unborn baby? What's wrong with having a baby at 45? As long as she isn't gonna die or develop complications from the pregnancy, i don't see why she's so reluctant to have the kid. Could you explain what's holding her back?
Abi she no like kids? Me, o, I would love to have at least 6 kids, kids are cool, man!

Wow, you guys scare me!!! I'm sooo glad I didn't go to secondary school in Nigeria, I would've had a truly horrible time! I was blushing while reading all of that, man, Naija schools and kids have gotten worse, o. Why would you do such things to other people? Like steal their stuff, spit in their food/drink, beat up a principal, cheat in exams, vandalise, etc?!!! Its such a HUGE shock!! And feeling girls up!! God save us!!

To reply to the topic, I was a good girl in school; its odd but throughout my time in secondary school, I think I was the only person in my class who never got into trouble of any sort. You people just shock me!! Just make sure your kids don't do that!