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God, I don't know. She's your sister afterall so you can't turn away from her for (maybe) a moment's silliness. Try to find out why she's refusing to leave nigeria; ask her, ask relatives you know you can trust, etc. There's probably more to the situation than you can see. Yeah, I know we sometimes have to be cruel to be kind and let our loved ones suffer a bit so they can learn a lesson that will profit them in future. But weigh the options carefully. Will she really learn by being ignored? Try to find out whether she's been negatively-influenced by friends or ill-scheming relatives. Don't give up so easily on her.

On another note, does she trust you? Are you guys really close? Because you being half-siblings may mean you don't trust each other so she may be having doubts as to what you want her to do overseas. I mean, what with all these trafficking and all. So find out what she is afraid of and decide what is in HER best interest.

Gbogbo eyin omo yoruba mo ki yin o. Se dada ni gbogbo yin wa o? Mo hope pe mo ba yin ni alafiya ati irorun.
Edakun e ma fi yoruba mi se yeye o, mon gbiyanju lati ko ni. Ni oto, ede mi ni sugbon ko si awon yoruba pupo ni univasiti ti mo wa. nitori na mo tin gbagbe gbogbo yoruba ti mo gbo. Iyen o gbudo sele, nitori na mo hope lati wa ma so yoruba ni ibibai kin mafi gbagbe.

Odabo eyin eyan mi.

Dawid: I don't need to take my husband's name for people to know I'm married. Won't he be introduced to them? And if it matters so much to strangers, why don't they follow me home to check the marriage contract? That's the problem with Nigeria; people want to know what doesn't concern them in any way at all! So yeah, if they see me and my husband, let them come up to me and ask for proof of marriage since my name will obviously be different to his!

well, first off, I'm a muslim and according to my religion, I shouldn't be changing my name after marriage. We do not believe that marrying a man means you should give up your identity and doing so can cause confusion regarding lineage/family tree. There is no such thing as ownership of the woman; yeah, the Qur'an says "Men are maintainers and protectors of women,,," but no where does it say one owns the other. The woman bears her father's last name to indicate her line of descent not as a sign of her father's ownership and since her line of descent doesn't change after marriage, why should she change it?

And all those saying people who aren't ready to change their names are not ready for marriage sound very immature. So the name is a deciding factor in marriage now, abi? If you found the perfect wife BUT she decides not to take your name you won't marry her? I mean no offense but it sounds very silly and puerile to me.

And to the guy (RichyBlack) who said I'm not Nigerian because of this, get this straight: I'm Nigerian, yoruba to be precise. And it certainly aint nigerian culture to change your name after marriage; I know Nigerian culture too! Its something that came with colonisation. Are you gonna tell me that in the olden days, when Labake gets married to Aremu Babatunde people start calling her Labake Babatunde? No! She would still be called Labake or Iyawo until she gets her own kid and becomes Iya Asake or whatever. And yeah, Nigerian men WANT to marry me,,,afterall, they DO think I'd be a very good wife. So please don't jump to silly conclusions based on one minor detail,,,at least not ALL Nigerian men are narrow-minded.

But my reasons for refusing to take on someone else's name have nothing to do with culture; its more of a religious and common-sense thing.

Rottweiler:
I think it's all bulls**t! A woman who is not ready to hang on to her husband's name only is not completely ready for marriage! Let her go marry her dad. My wife brought up the issue of adding her dad's name to her name and I told her that I AIN'T TAKING IT! The whole thing is vanity! They want people to know that they are the daughter of so so and so.

Add his name to your name and go back to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my God! This is unbelievable! Why should a woman take her husband's name? I don't even get it! I have my own surname and it's not like I'm property that is transferred from my father's ownership to my husband's. I'm a human with my own lineage, with my own parents and grandparents. I'm not going to take on someone else's name just because I marry him. My name shall stay the same from birth till death. I won't even combine my name with his. I have a surname and he has his own. If I have daughters, they must maintain their father's name too.

Its pure and utter nonsense to make such a big deal about a name. A woman's name has no impact on her readiness for marriage. My father fed me, took care of me, paid my fees and everything so should I renounce him for a man that wants me only because of all the work this father of mine has done for me? If the man had met me in rags, uneducated, uncouth and unmannerly, would he have felt the same attraction to me? Excuse me, o, for being grateful to my dad for all he has done. If a guy isn't happy with that, he can get lost. Only a petty person would be hung up on such a trivial issue; in fact, that alone would tell me a lot about his character.

focused:
@poster :

The truth is :

Islam is a satanic occultic religion manufactured by the kingdom of darkness. It possesses characteristics similar to any other false religion.

The bible says in first John chapter 4 verse 1 :

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

What do we know about Islamic religion :

Islamic religion is founded by Muhammed (Agent of satan) who claim he receives revelation from Angel jibril over some years and he also receive revelation from angel jibril while having sex with a very young girl of six years old. Could that so called revelation have come from God The answer is No. A militant like muhammed does not have the spirit to discern if a revelation is from God or if it is from the devil.

It is a religion propagated by force and dead threat is issued to any muslim who dare convert to any other faith. That alone shows it is from the devil, because God gave human being the free will to choose good or evil. If anyone wants to win converts, all you do is preach, and let God do his work and direct the person involved.

The Quran (Which is the muslim bible) is full of contradiction.

Worshipping a quarter moon, star and a black stone (which is situated in Mecca) is Idolatry. They carry out all sorts of rituals. A quarter moon and star is a sign of witchcraft

Islamic religion promotes Polygamy. That alone shows that it is from the devil

Focused, my brother, I have to say that your knowledge of Islam is very limited,,,your post makes me think that you really don't know anything about the religion. I say this not to ridicule you but because I am a muslim and what I know of the religion is completely different from what you've just put down.

First of all, muslims DO NOT worship the moon, or the star, or any other object. Muslims worship Allah (God),,,Him and nothing else.

"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." [Quran 41:37]

That states CLEARLY that people should worship only Allah and not these creations.


By the way, when you make an allegation, you need to support it with reasons. I do not see any logical connection between polygamy and the devil. Do you? Well, then, please explain it to me.

davidylan:
Wait until i use a page of the quran to wipe my chair in Kano . . . we shall see how nice those muslim neighbours truly are. Bunch of hypocrites.

go and read surah 17:91 and come back here to tell us who is truly doomed.

Islam is a pile of falsehood and inconsistency. It claims not to tolerate alchohol here on earth and yet provides muslims with rivers flowing with alchohol in heaven?
It claims not to support adultery yet sanctions the "prophet" to take his sons wife, sleep with a 6 yr old, allows muslims to marry up to 4 wives and provides muslim men with 72 virgins in heaven plus countless little boys?
Islam does not tolerate fornication and yet permits temporary marriages?
Islam does not tolerate cheating and yet permits al taqiya?

Just were does islam stand on these issues?

there is no trinity in the bible . . . if it is a confusion at all it is probably because you choose to make it so.
No son and father wahala . . . there is no son and father wahala in Sango worship too so does that make it right?
How about allah's daughters and the satanic verses?

Davidylan, I must say that your words reek of bitterness towards muslims. My brother, what have muslims done to you, personally? How many muslims have blown your house up? How many have cut your hand or attempted to stone you to death? Please, people, we must stop this spewing of hateful words and notions.
Now, to address your statements.
---> why would you use the Qur'an to wipe your chair in the first place? Tell me what would happen if I went into an orthodox christian community and, in front of the christians, tore a page out of the Bible and wiped my chair with it? What would THEY do to ME too? I suppose they'll buy me chocolates and send me flowers, right? Doing such a thing is obviously an intentional provokation.

--->About the alcohol issue, I do not remember any reference to RIVERS of alcohol (what I do know of are rivers of milk and honey). But I do know that alcohol will be served in Paradise. Why? Because alcohol in Paradise will not intoxicate and it does not have any of the side effects of the alcohol in this world.
Regarding alcohol in this world:
"They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefits for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit" [Qur'an 2:19]

Regarding alcohol in Paradise:
"With cups, and jugs, and a glass of flowing wine, Wherefrom they will get neither aching of the head, nor any intoxication" [Qur'an 56:18-19]

---> Please refer me to the Qur'anic evidence of the provision of "little boys" (as you term it) for men's pleasure. That has homosexual overtones to it. What I do know, is that the people of Paradise will be served drinks by young, immortal boys. I have never heard anything wrong about having a male serving drinks,,,,unless you didn't intend to give that meaning of homosexual tendencies and are only being sexist in thinking that only women should serve.

"Immortal boys will go around them (serving), With cups, and jugs, and a glass of flowing wine," [Qur'an 56:17-18]

--->about the provision of 72 virgins in Paradise, I seriously do not see anything wrong with that. It is HEAVEN not EARTH,,,they weren't told to have 72 virgins on earth, were they? Aren't most men interested in sex? If you, as a man, didn't know that, a visit to the "Romance" section of NairaLand will soon enlighten you. So if men are more interested in sex than women, why shouldn't God give them what they would enjoy in Paradise?
As far as I know, Paradise is supposed to be a place where you can enjoy yourself,,,otherwise it would be close to Hell! Why do you think many men date zillions of girls? I'm sure if you ask them whether they want 72 girlfriends, they'll be quite enthusiastic about it. So its ok to have as many girls as you want in this world (whom you're not married to and are therefore sinning) but it is wrong to have them in Paradise!
But please do enlighten me on the evils of promising them 72 virgins in heaven (who, by the way, are not Earthly women, these are special creatures created for this purpose),,,,afterall, I'm only an ignorant 18 year-old.

---> Allow me to say that temporary marriage is prohibited in Islam.

Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3253
Rabi' b. Sabra reported that his father went on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) during the Victory of Mecca, and we stayed there for fifteen days (i. e. for thirteen full days and a day and a night), and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage with women. So I and another person of my tribe went out, and I was more handsome than he, whereas he was almost ugly. Each one of us had a cloaks, My cloak was worn out, whereas the cloak of my cousin was quite new. As we reached the lower or the upper side of Mecca, we came across a young woman like a young smart long-necked she-camel. We said: Is it possible that one of us may contract temporary marriage with you? She said: What will you give me as a dower? Each one of us spread his cloak. She began to cast a glance on both the persons. My companion also looked at her when she was casting a glance at her side and he said: This cloak of his is worn out, whereas my cloak is quite new. She, however, said twice or thrice: There is no harm in (accepting) this cloak (the old one). So I contracted temporary marriage with her, and I did not come out (of this) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) declared it forbidden.

--->Could you please expand on your question about Allah's daughters (Astaghfirullah) and the satanic verses? I'll assume you're claiming that Allah has daughters. That would be quite a laughable claim given that the Qur'an repeatedly refutes people's claims that God has a child.

"And to warn those (Jews, Christians, and pagans) who say, "Allah has begotten a son (or offspring or children)". No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begets sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie." [Qur'an 18:4-5]

"And they assign daughters to Allah! - Glorified (and Exalted) is He above all they associate with Him!, " [Qur'an 16:57]

However, I'm not sure that IS what you were hinting at.

Salamu alaykum, ife-eco-06, mashaAllah, good post.

Erm, nwando, have you read the book called "Daughters of another Path"? It is quite an enlightening book; its written by a christian woman (a missionary, if I remember correctly) whose daughter converted to Islam. It talks about the results of the mother's research into the conversion of American women to Islam. I would call it an unbiased book because it was written by a christian mother who was aggrieved by her daughter's conversion to Islam. I'd recommend the book for everyone who wants to know about why people convert to islam.

swiftycool:
Bros don't mind them jare, if u are a muslim like many on this thread, its aiight
go on and mess up d girls youth
After all it was the life style of the randy yet holy Prophet
who took a 12 year old child as wife. Abi i lie?
somebody swear he didnt lash her! f*#kin PERVERT!
And they now say R kelly is sick, start from Moh,,,,,,, whatevah!
SICK! SICK! SIIICCCKKK!!!

aha!! Mr Swiftycool, what does this have to do with religion?? Did the poster ask you to comment on religious practices or what? Or did the trend of the discussion follow a religious path? You seem to be becoming overly-obsessed with Islam, abi you want to become a muslim? I think you should take it easy o before you develop monomania (in religion, that is), but that's just my advice.

Meanwhile, please refrain from insulting religious figures (whether of your own religion or other's), it's not a mark of a dignified and respectable person.

yeah it's possible, he can be raped by another man and forced to have anal intercourse. There are cases of that happening.

Erm, poster, given that alcohol is forbidden in Islam, why would there be any correlation between the sales trend of beer and Ramadan timing? Excuse me, but I fail to see the point you are trying to put across; If you are that worried/disturbed by the sales pattern, please meet with the sales/marketing manager of one of the beer companies and get him/her to explain the trend.

From www.islamtoday.com:

The Qur’ân is the Speech of Allah
The Qur’ân is Allah’s speech, literally not metaphorically. He revealed it to His Messenger (peace be upon him) to convey His warning to all the worlds.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) merely conveyed the Message. Anyone who doubts this has to assume that either the Prophet himself made it up or someone else taught it to him.

As for the first of these two possibilities – the idea that the Qur’ân, in all of its eloquence, was a product of the brilliance, insightfulness and spiritual sensitivities of

Muhammad (peace be upon him) – it is rejected for a number of reasons:

1. No matter how brilliant or insightful a person might be, there is no way that he could discuss the happenings of nations lost to antiquity, issues of belief and Divine Law, the rewards and punishments of Heaven and Hell, and future events, all in such great detail without any contradiction and with a most perfect style and literary form. The Prophet (peace be upon him) had never once read a book nor met with any historian.

2. The Qur’ân makes to the disbelievers a stern challenge that they will never be able to produce a chapter similar to it. Such a challenge would never have come from the Messenger (peace be upon him), who was known for his wisdom and good judgment, to the most eloquent and fluent speakers around, especially since he wanted his Message and his call to be successful and enjoy wide acceptance.

3. The Qur’ân, in some places, sternly rebukes Muhammad (peace be upon him) where he acted upon his own judgment in something and did not decide on what is best. The Qur’ân clarified the truth and showed the error of the Prophet (peace be upon him). No rational person would come with declarations of his own error and circulate them among the people. If he had any say in the Qur’ân at all, he would have hidden these passages from the people. Allah says:
And if he had forged a false statement concerning Us, We surely would have seized him by his right hand and would certainly have ripped out his artery of life. And none of you could have withheld us from punishing him.
4. Many verses of the Qur’ân begin with the imperative verb “Say!” As a matter of fact, this occurs more than three hundred times, addressing Muhammad (peace be upon him) and directing him with respect to what he should say. He, thus, did not follow his own desires; he followed only what was revealed to him. He was the one being addressed, not the speaker; he was quoting what he had heard, not expressing what he felt.

5. Complete harmony exists between what the Qur’ân says regarding the physical world and what has been discovered by modern science. This has been a source of amazement for a number of contemporary western researchers. Though the Qur’ân makes mention of a number of very specific scientific issues – from fields such as embryology, oceanography, and astronomy – it does not contradict any scientific fact.

The second possibility offered by the doubtful is that the Prophet (peace be upon him) learned the Qur’ân from someone else. There are a number of reasons why this claim is false:

1. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was illiterate. He grew up among a people who were generally illiterate. They knew only how to speak eloquently and fluently. Due to their idolatry, they did not associate with the Christians and Jews.

Allah says:
This is of the news of the unseen that We reveal unto you (O Muhammad). Neither you nor your people knew it before this. So be patient. Surely, the good outcome is for the pious.
This verse clearly mentions that the Arabs had no knowledge of these things. It is not recorded in history that any of the Arabs objected to the fact that this verse declared them ignorant of the things that this verse is referring to.

2. The Arabs never attempted to contradict the Qur’ân or take credit for any part of it, in spite of their violent rejection of it. Though the Qur’ân challenged their most eloquent speakers to bring a chapter like it, none of them ever attempted it. They knew the truth of the situation and did not want to face the disgrace of defeat, since they were the masters of eloquence in poetry, prose, and persuasive speaking.

3. The Qur’ân is in Arabic and the Jews and Christians spoke other languages. None of the historical references mention that the Prophet (peace be upon him) ever sat with monks and rabbis to learn from them.

The Qur’ân is in the most fluent Arabic, a language foreign to the Jews and Christians. Allah says:
The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is in clear Arabic.


4. The Qur’ân takes a stance against the Jews and Christians, refuting their misconceptions and arguments and inviting them to believe in the Messenger and the Message that he came with. It is very unlikely that these same Jews and Christians would be the source of the Qur’ân, especially considering how they turned away from it, disbelieved in it, and rejected the Messenger.

Ridiculous!! People leaving each other just because they can't sleep with each other before marriage!! Arrant nonsense! Testing ko, trial ni. For me o, I WON'T marry a guy who asks for pre-marital sex; it would show me that he's the wrong type of person, that he's not a virgin. Because if he's asking me, then he must have asked other people too and that means he doesn't take God's Laws as seriously as I would like and doesn't care about being chaste.

Its a pride, its obedience to God, its refinement, its chastity, its morality, its GOOD! Don't let any man tempt you to doing what you don't want. Not because you are saving it for your husband but as obedience of God's commandment, because husbands may come and go but God remains forever.

And let me add one point, sometimes girls say they don't want to indulge in premarital sex yet they do not prevent the chances of it happening. I mean they would visit the guy's house, hug him, etc but then say no to sex. But sometimes they lose control and give in, and regret it later. I'm not saying you do anything like that but there's no such thing as too much advice. So, my sister, if you know you don't want anybody messing with you, keep away from being alone with him, stop touching him, don't let him touch you, don't do anything that COULD lead to sex, o!

Be careful o! And keep your virginity, its pride o no be lack of oppurtunity. What do you think of the beautiful girl who's still a virgin? Its not because guys aren't after her like hot-cake, she's got the oppurtunity but she CHOOSES not to give in. Keep strong, sis, and Good luck!

All I know is I'm not gonna give any person the chance to say "afterall I did this and that for you". If I can afford my own car, he can't do shakara about buying me a car because he knows I can get it myself, basically I wouldn't want to marry anyone who would look down on me. I have my own pride jare. I'd prefer someone in my league, except if the person I happen to get married to is inevitably above me and his family won't remind me of the number of cars or helicopters their son has bought for me.

pilgrim.1:
@stranger26,

Many thanks for reposting that article and also leaving us the link to clear doubts of plagarism - that was dignified of you.

Ahem, pilgrim1, in case you didn't know, plagiarism is taking someone else's work and representing it as your own, please tell me where I did such a thing. Did I tell you its my own writing? Please just because I'm a muslim doesn't mean you should hurl unnecessary comments in my direction.

pilgrim.1:
In other words, Sufism is neither approved nor condemned - neither here nor there - in Islam! Which would go to mean by inference that Islam is made up, not on the fundamentals of the Qur'anic stipulations, but from the committee of men who sit among themselves and churcn out jurisdictions for others to abide by!

I'm sorry, but the "mustahabb" are things which recommended and not "enjoined". I may have left Islam, but I still know and remember that much to debate that issue soundly!

There is a difference between what is ENJOINED and what is merely RECOMMENDED! In simple terms, one who does a "mustahabb" action is jollified or rewarded, but one who leaves it is not punished. That is why we find that what is ENJOINED on the Muslim ummah is not merely recommended, because if you default on that which is enjoined, there is a punitive measure to be taken against the Muslim who does so!

Did you finish reading the article before concluding that sufism is neither approved nor condemned? How was the article concluded?
And about the enjoined issue, the shaykh in question (Ibn Taymiyah) did not speak english, what you hae here is a translation. As long as he didn't confuse FARDH with MUSTAHHAB, then obviously its a translation error.

pilgrim.1:
Great! Lol. . .

First, I would like Olabowale and his friends to understand that you have confirmed my point! I have often told them that there are issues which are taught as part of Islamic TENETS -- but which are not stipulated in the QUR'AN or SUNNAH (Hadiths) - but they have denied it again and again!! Hehehe!!

Anyhow, I still await a reasonable explication of how it is that in Islam, what is "forbidden" falls within the purview of "permissible", and what is "permissible" is ranked among the "forbidden"!! Una try well-well! That is why al-taqiyya is also practiced in Islam -LIE and DENY as much as you can while pretending that the same things being denied are "true".

I'm glad you found that funny because I'm finding it funny too, it sure is funny how you can wilfully misunderstand a clear paragraph. The paragraph was condemning the action of those who limit themselves to certain customs even though that limitation was not stipulated in the Qur'an or Sunnah. Please reread it yourself and see what they're actually saying.

And about the tarqiyyah issue, bring me proof from a SUNNI source that this is right, show me that this is accepted by sunnis. This is a part of Shiism which is why SUNNI's do not accept Shias as muslims, because Shias have introduced things that are not part of islam.

pilgrim.1:
Okay, I hear. The "innovations" are indeed MANY in Islam! Only God knows how many times I have announced that very thing - and Muslims are hard of hearing! After trying to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible and failed thereto, they innovated the idea of saying that the Torah and the Injil were lost - whereas neither the Qur'an nor the Sunnah clamied any such things!

A second one is that the Sufis and the other denominations of Islam are DEEPLY divided between themselves as to whether it is possible for Muslims to see 'Allah' during Judgement/Resurrection day! The issue has been either affirmed or denied - and certain Muslims have killed themselves over that debate!

Interestingly, christians all over the world are unanimous in their beliefs. Abi that's not true? All christians whether Catholic, Anglican, Pentecostal, Protestant, etc, all agree on the same tenets of Christianity, which is why some Christian sects accuse Catholicism of having elements of paganism, and they all try to discredit each other's beliefs. But OH WAIT, its CHRISTIANITY, any divisions between the sects doesn't count when the argument is about Islam. Its only those barbaric muslims who are DEEPLY divided between themselves, such a thing has never happened i christianity!

pilgrim.1:
Em, excuse me - the finger of accusation is now pointing against the Sufis, whereas the Sunnis and Shiites themselves know that they have invented innovations that are not in the Qur'an or Sunnah! This Muslim world sef!!

Anyway, I've again made the statement that Muslims have also practised polytheism - joining others with 'Allah'. They have referred to Muhammad in the past as "Lord", now in their attempt to remove all traces of such practices from public eyes, the few that have held on to these ideas still call Muhammad "leige-Lord".

Besides, I hope that the other Muslims will now see the confirmation in your quote that Muslims have also called upon (prayed to) "holy men" (qutubs) as well as called 'Allah' names which neither Muhammad nor his predecessors knew! How did Muhammad come to know that 'Allah' has only 99 names - did he himself tell which names they were?

Please, when talking about Islamic beliefs, refer only to sunnis. I've already stated that the actions of Shias are not accepted as part of Islam. Refer to the other thread about sufism where we mentioned that there will be 73 sects etc.

Now back to the topic, the article was CLEARLY stating that joing others with Allah (shirk) is EVIL, abi no be so? Please get me the proof of MUSLIMS calling Muhammad lord when in many instances in the Qur'an it mentions that he is ONLY A MAN who has been sent by Allah.

pilgrim.1:
This is why I am asking Muslims to clear their own inconsistencies and confusion before pointing accusing fingers at non-Muslims.

Yeah, and since the Christians have cleared their own inconsistencies, gotten rid of their divisions and cleared the confusion about their sects, they are most welcome to point fingers at Muslims.

pilgrim.1:
Well done!

Thank you, o, my sister!

olabowale:
@Pilgrim.1: Thanks loud mouth. I only hear the noise of the Alberta clippers. Nothing is behind it. Alhamdulillah.
I am an errand boy of Muhammad. You did not call me an errand girl. That belongs to the men in Christianity,
who shave religiously. Trying to be like women, on a daily basis. Unfortunately, the girls in the Christendom can
wait to try to be like men, either. I wonder who are the gender benders, the straight out gays of the christians?

Back to the topic: I will give you a quick answer here and will not attend to you yingyang: Sufism, as a group,
regardless of the many sects they may divide themselves; Tijanis, Nashdbundi, etc are part of Islam. They are
some of the 73 sects that are expected to make up the Muslim Ummah. We even have here in America, the nation
of Islam and the 10%ers. They are neither Sufi nor shia or Sunni.

But the real question is this, the 72 sects of Christianity, and 71 sects of Judaism and the 72 sects from the 73 of the Muslims,
all will go to hell fire. It is a HATMAN DECREE! The Christians from your mouth do not have to deal with the Wariduha
aleyha. Your ticket is without this event. Its straight to it, like the straight to jail of Monopoly board game!

As Olabowale said, there will be 73 different sects all calling themselves muslim but ONLY ONE group is following true islam and that is the Ahl-us-Sunnah, only the group which followed exactly what the Prophet (SAW) brought will enter paradise.

And yeah, pilgrim1, there's nothing wrong with being Muhammad's (SAW) errand boy/girl, in fact we're proud to be so. That isn't an insult, rather, its a compliment.

Same question again!

From www.islam-qa.com:

Question:
Is the “Da’wah and Tableegh” group one of the misguided groups? And what about Sufism?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.  

It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).  

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290.

[b]But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs. Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays. They said:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils.[/b]

With regard to the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh, this is one of the groups that is active in the field of da’wah, calling people to Allaah. They do a great deal of good and make commendable efforts. How many sinners have repented at their hands, and how many have now become devoted to worship of Allaah. But this group is not free of some innovations in knowledge and action, to which the scholars have drawn attention. But whatever the case they cannot be described as being one of the misguided groups. We have quoted above the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah:  The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah. For more information on this group, see the answer to questions no. 8674 and 39349.

Islam Q&A

From www.islam-qa.com:

Question:
Is the “Da’wah and Tableegh” group one of the misguided groups? And what about Sufism?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290.

[b]But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs. Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays. They said:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils. [/b]

With regard to the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh, this is one of the groups that is active in the field of da’wah, calling people to Allaah. They do a great deal of good and make commendable efforts. How many sinners have repented at their hands, and how many have now become devoted to worship of Allaah. But this group is not free of some innovations in knowledge and action, to which the scholars have drawn attention. But whatever the case they cannot be described as being one of the misguided groups. We have quoted above the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah: The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah. For more information on this group, see the answer to questions no. 8674 and 39349.

Islam Q&A

In islam, it is wrong to imitate the opposite gender. As such, it is a sin for a man to imitate women and for a woman to imitate men. However, Islam leaves it to cultural discretion; if in your culture, women wear a certain cloth then it is wrong for a man to wear it and vice versa. For example, in Scotland, men traditionally wear kilts which to us would be ridiculous, men don't go around wearing skirts in Nigeria! In India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, etc, the indigenous clothes for wen is the shalwar kameez which is very loose pants and a long top. So in that culture, its totally acceptable for a woman to wear pants.

Looking at the world of today, there are trousers for women and trousers for men worldwide; it is not exclusively for one gender. So wearing women's trousers does not come under imitating men. It is alright for a woman to wear women's trousers with a long top (knee-length or longer) as long as all her body is covered, her shape doesn't show and she is dressed modestly. Of course, wearing a tight pair of jeans or three-quarter pants with a tight or revealing shirt is NOT acceptable outdoors. But then she could wear that when she's alone with her family.

pilgrim.1:
@stranger26,

I don't want to be tedious to you this morning, but your complaint here is a convenient denial of facts! Muslims have many times cast aspersions on Jesus Christ in several bedevilled manners that rubbish the courtesy you're calling for! I have pointed this clearly to olabowale who had asked me that question - and subsequently shown him several times of his own insults in his subsequent posts after calling his attention to the fact!

Muslims are fond of playing these games. When your own brethren deride the Biblical prophets, you sit back to celebrate the silly exercise with no remorse. But when you read things you don't like about Muhammad, then you wave a tattered white flag and beg for clemency! How many times have I personally called for mutual respect - and all my calls fell on deaf Muslim ears?

Muslims have no respect for anybody! QED. The replies that will follow this will demonstrate that to you. . . it's only a matter of time.

Sad. I wonder if Islam teaches Muslims to be so vitriolic against the prophets when they sweat to give Muhammad's career a facelift. Did "Allah" in the Qur'an teach Muslims to behave in such low shades of attitude?

First, your Muslim "respect" towards JESUS is a farce. We have witnessed the fact many times over of how irreverent Muslims can be when discussing Jesus.

Now, the interesting thing is that you have only come round exposing the same duplicity we see every single day among Muslims. What did you mean by "b]OUR[/b] prophet" in contradistinction to "JESUS" - are you now saying that Muslims no longer regard "JESUS" as "b]OUR[/b] prophet" as well?

What kind of doublespeak are you proposing here?

Cheers.

By our prophet, I was referring to muhammad (SAW), The main prupose of my thread was to ask you guys to stop being insultive towards HIM. Do not twist my word into what I did not intend. And refusing to believe that Jesus is God does not constitute disrespect, that's a matter of faith. You will not find muslims calling Jesus a "coward" or anything like that, nobody made such a statement on this thread. Similarly, refusing to believe that Muhammad is the messenger of God does not constitute disrespect but calling him a coward DOES!

As regards the issue of ridiculing biblical prophets, then I'm sorry I cannot believe you. These prophets are our prophets too so it is unthinkable that we would ridicule them; please check your facts.

dafidixone:
I think you should respond to issues.

The Point here is if it is morally right for a Man of God to Marry an Old woman? is that different from "Sugar Mummyism" If it were to be a Pastor that we are talking here you all will never see it this way. However, the truth must be told. Thank God our Lord Jesus Christ is truely God (Emmanuel). I will enjoin all you people to open your heart to knowledge and not to be on defense of what was clearly writen in your book.

I have read your quaran in English version. But not the arabic version. This stories were not that different. Get the issue is this different form Sugar mummy issue. How will Islam aspire to correct this if ,

Allow me to go a bit off the topic here. Dafidixone, don't you find it a little disturbing how contradictory the Christian faith is? Sometimes you say "Jesus is the Son of God sent to die for Man's sins". At other times you say, "Jesus Christ is God". How can he be both at the same time? How can he be God and the Son of God at the same time? Or did he father himself?
Please explain this point.

Now, regarding the topic, you must first explain why its immoral. I asked you to that earlier but you managed to wriggle out of it. Explain the immoral aspect of this situation. Convince me. It would also help greatly if you produced a Biblical verse which states that it is FORBIDDEN or IMMORAL for people with an age gap of 15 years to marry each other (abi christianity no dey stamp out this "immorality" too?).
Its a simple request. Because you cannot go around making claims without explaining what those claims are and expect people to go along with you. Simply explain to me why it is immoral.

You mentioned that you've read the Qur'an. Really? YOU actually sat down and read the WHOLE Qur'an, understood it and contemplated its contents? Forgive me for finding that very difficult to believe. So did you find THIS story in the Qur'an?

Please behave more like respectable individuals and put a rein on your tongues. You will notice that none of the muslims here have insulted Jesus (AS) in any manner whatsoever so please extend the same courtesy towards us; do not insult Muhammad (SAW).

The mark of a civilized and respectable person shows when they argue; they respect their antagonists. Besides, didn't christianity teach to have better manners than this? Didn't it teach you to show brotherly love? Cos you guys obviously aren't practising what you're preaching.

I'm not here to antagonise you. I'm just asking you to extend the same respect towards OUR prophet as we extend towards JESUS (AS).

Wa iyyakum.