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musKeeto: Religious ignoramuses killing the beauty of this thread.

GOD is responsible for this. He created all things, all things, both good and what y"all term evil.. Everything He does He claims to do for his glory.

John 9
As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Most Xtians on Nl dont even know crap about the Bible.. the God of the Bible is evil and created men for his entertainment. Deal with it...

I can see ur ignorance in d bible verse u jst quoted,anyway pple of ur kind can't understnd d things of d spirit,bcuz its foolishness un2 u
Don't knw y pple tend 2 interpret scriptures literally most times..Jeez

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Nicolas N.:
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u must be a sick person
r u so daft that u cant see that his prophecies are meant for those who believe even in the winners family!did he tell you he was pronouncing this blessings upon nigeria and her people?dumbo

musKeeto: Ah, you didn't know the Bible is built on falsehood and a little truth? Eh ya, sorry e...

ur are really a sick person,ur nick really says it all

taigee: STUPID POST>
As usual just to discredit the man of God.
NL this is really becoming an Anti-Oyedepo site.
Keep doing what you do best on Nairaland;
We had an awesome prophetic meeting with Bishop Oyedepo last tuesday.
Nothing less than 30,000 in attendance.
The Winners' Family keeps growing and expanding haters not withstanding.
All the haters on NL, the Boko Harams, The Hungry Lawyers, Council of witches and Satanist can't stop this move of God.
Keep advertising Bishop David Oyedepo on NL.
His ministry is waxing stronger.
I am blessed to be connected to his ministry.

ur blessed,i love u from the depth of my heart!thanks

bcomputer101: We in Kaduna never see any alert oooooooo. infact, na every message wey enter my phone i dey monitor but it's noting than please call me back..... noting like FIRST BANK ALERT.....

guy u na clouwn!

jtkunle: Can non Christians go to heaven? I think that's a question that no man except God should be answering. Religion is too complicated in this world, its insane.

What happened to the people that died even before Jesus was born?

Why can anyone sit there and say a Muslim (or any other religion) that has been abiding by the rules of his/her religion all his life end up in hell?

Take moment to think of how there are so many versions of Christianity (Catholic, Anglican, Redeem, Baptisit) and so on.

How can a Church that was established only 40 years ago preach to people that you are a non believer if you don't attend our church? (I once attended a church like that)

Why do different churches translate the bible differently?

Gay Pastors? (http://www.christiangays.com/marriage/maryland.shtml)

I'm a Christian and I come from a very religious family, but I dont think being a Christian, or a born again Christian is the 'only' way to make it into heaven. It's ok to believe in whatever religion you are, but dont be judgemental, being judgemental is never a good thing - wether in Religion, business or whatever the case may be. There's only one God! and he listens to his people, wether you get to him through a Quran or a Bible.

Ur lost

~Bluetooth:
Does he have Jets like Adeboye and Oyedepo ? Abegi,these duo are the most successful spiritual 419 in Nigeria.

And u think u don't need deliverance?if I b a man of God,ur cursed ds day,since u choose 2 b ignorant of spiritual maters,and choose 2 insult men of God wit great anointing,den cursed shall ye be in ur going out and coming in if u repent not

alexleo: you pity me Because i saw something wrong and pointed it out. Better pity yourself.
Is it not the so called born again of new generation churches that commit all sorts of fraud in offices where they work? Are they not the one who forge certificates and age to get work? Are they not the ones who commit all sorts of exam malpractices. Worst still when they finish with their crooked act they will come and testify in your churches and give offerings that will make church members sream Halleluyah to the high heaven. Those people are behaving like that because pastors have failed to give them the bitter truth of the word of God. You people like to hear the watered down version of God's word because it pleases you and gives little or no condemnation to your crooked lives. But we all know that God cannot accept the smallest of sin in heaven.
May God save your soul because if you reject the bitter truth, you are already headed on the highway to hell. Whatever you are saying here does not have any effect on me because the truth must be said weather it pleases you or not. Once again may God deliver you from sugar coated messages that leads to spiritual diabetes that will keep you spiritual unstable until you get to hell. God will save you. Amen.

Its ppl like u will end up making Heaven but will occupy one room apartment(BQ)in Heaven cuz ur life didn't reflect d glory of God here on earth,
He called u so He can add clour and beauty 2 ur life and not 2 bring shame 2 His name,get understandin dude

Jenwitemi: I am not the lost soul, yommyuk. I am not the one laboring under the spells of false religious doctrines like yourself.

If I hv. 2 b frank with u,ur a lost soul...indeed d fool has concluded in his heart dt there's no God

alexleo: yeah that is what you people usually quote when you are being told the truth. what is judgmental about what I see? Yet the same bible said- by their fruits we shall know them. So if i see a tree bearing mango fruit and say that the tree is bearing mango fruit what is judgmental about it? And if you see someone committing a crime and tell him to his face does that mean you are judging? These churches preach on TV and radio and people hear them. They sell their sermon tapes, they sell their books and people buy and read. How then do you think it is only when we attend their churches that we will be sure of their line of preaching? I used to listen to pastors chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo and some others but when I discovered that they revolve around the same earthly benefits under different sermon topics i stopped. Can we hear sermons that prepare souls for heaven from these pastors please. Enough of this money money preaching.
The world hates to hear the truth but we will keep saying it weather they like it or not.

A clear case of someone totally walking under ignorance,its ppl like u dt will never allow ppl wantn 2 accept d gift of salvation bcuz of ur ignorance

alexleo: Here are a list of churches whose messages centres heavily on earthly things rather than heavenly. In these churches, the message of holiness and eternity is hardly preached. They centre much on messages that the world want to hear and need i say that the high level of greed and corruption that has enveloped our country since these churches came out cannot be compared to what it used to be in the good old days when these churches were not there? This is so because they have ignored the words of our Lord Jesus where he said - seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. Today they make people to seek prosperity first. They keep telling them the benefits of giving their money to the church without reminding them that no matter the amount of money you give to the work of God , if you dont give your soul to him and live a holy life you are heading to hell. They are so much after the people's money that they cant preach the hard core bible truth so as not to lose them as members which automatically amounts to a reduction in their income. We are not suprised though , because Jesus forewarned us in the scriptures that in the last days many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many in his name. Today the words of Jesus is being fulfiled as we see in most of these new generation churches. This doesn't give a pass mark to all the old generation churches as some of them have derailed too due to the influence of the new generation churches.

winners chapel.
Christ Embassy.
House on the rock.
Redeemed mission.
RCCG.
Synagog church
mountain of fire - they are always pursuing demons.
Jehovah sharp sharp ministry.
KICC.
Rock family.

More are coming.

Its very obvious u lack wisdom and common sense,u quoted a scripture in math33 dt we should seek d kingdom first and is righteousness and all these thins shall b added...can God bless someone without him leaving a righteous life?reason first b4 u post anything here,ok,ask for wisdom from God and He will give u freely(jam1:5)..indeed a man's ignorance is his mountain

4tune1: This is Wickedness. They should have face the owner instead of innocent Animals.

Pure wickedness,..indeed d heart of man is desperately wicked..

mba emeka: Edicolove has expressed my views verbatim. Its very sardonic that in this day and age fellow christians are contesting the very essence of GOD. YES! its Gods very essence that is being contested here on in.

Th real poser is if sickness and evil come from God why do we pray against them? why do people take medication to combat them? Why not accept it as the will of God and move on? we feel God and truth to be one entity but we believe another thereby paralyzing the verimost tenet of our belief- that God is love and light and that in him lies no darkness.

It would be arduous trying to convince others away from a thought even though superior understanding proves them wrong. I just cannot help but thank my God that i head and shoulders above this base level of understanding. imagine? God create darkness and sickness?! tufiakwa!

They knw nothing,neither will they knw,better don't waste ur tym tryn 2 clarify any issue wit most most posters here,telling dem d truth is like u pouring water on rock and expect it 2 penetrate,their ignorance has bcome their mountain

musKeeto: What's the difference between you and Satan... you're spiteful, abusive and very unitelligent.. hope you can sing also... idiot

It don't make sense responding 2 a child of d devil like u,ur nick has already said it all

edicolove: First and foremost it is very important to understand that in translating the bible from Hebrew/Greek were it was originally written to English, a lot of meaning of verses and passages were seemingly lost because of the great limitations and clumsiness of the English language. That is why many pastors today refer to the original text sometimes when they preach. For example greek has 3 words for love which are eros, philio and Agape and they mean love for wife/lover, love for friends/pals and God's love respectively. But English just calls them love leaving you to find out on your won what the kind of love is about. This is vital to understanding thhe @op's post. If you go back and read those scriptures that someone quoted above in the original Hebrew text, you will be shocked. It actually talks abouut God allowing those sickness and diseases come on those people, not God putting it himself. A typical example was when the Israelis were about to leave Egypt. God asked them to sacrifice an animal and spread the blood on their doorpost and said the angel of death will pass that night and any house not having the blood will loose their first born. The angel of death was a demonic being. A fallen angel that always want's to kill but God always restrains him. But that day, he wasn't restrained. God allowed him operate as judgement to Egypt. If God didn't restrain the devil, he will destroy everyone in one day. But he is restrained from acting. But at certain times, when men have become really evil, God 'steps aside' and the devil unleashes terror on men.

God does not do evil. God is Love. Evil came from satan. From the day satan rebelled, evil came into the universe. Sin is evil not good. It is not in the character of God to do any act of evil. Anything God does is a good and a blessing. That is why if you study jewish customs till today, you will discover that they believe that poverty and sickness are from the devil and every one who follows God should never have them. That is what Moses taught them. That is why they were not sick once throughout their forty years sojourn in the wilderness. The disciples of Jesus asked him who committed sin that caused a man to be born blind in John 9:1. Acts 10:38 says God annointed Jesus and he went about doing 'good' and 'healing' all that were oppressed of the devil. Anyone that is sick is being oppressed of the devil because the devil is the originator of sickness.

God cannot use the devil's tool to train his children. No father does that. The principle is very simple. If you walk in disobedience to God, you go out of his his protective covering and then the devil can hurt you. ¶p
As long as you are under God's protective covering, the devil can't touch you.

Ur blessed,u spk my mind

Goshen360: Thank you jare my sister. At least we will all learn. I believe "IN" God there is no darkness as per the verse you quoted from Joagbaje's comment. Now my question is, in Genesis 1:2. The bible says, ....and darkness was upon the face of the deep". God had not created anything at this time. My question is, where did this darkness came from?

D darkness conotes satan being in charge after he was throne down frm Heaven,God simply recreated d world in verse2,ok

nuella2: Am asking you cos you quoted those verses? Of God bringing disaster. ....

Are you operating on just the revelation Isaiah had about God?

What is the revelation of who God is in the new testament?

You are implying that God is both a wicked and Good God that can kill and destroy anybody at will weda you do wrong or right. And he takes pleasure in disaster. ...no a thousand times no.

Y waste time reply d son of d devil,can't u see he posses u spirit of rebellion?he is working tireless 2 discredit anything God abt God,cuz he must achieve wat his father(devil)has asked him 2 do

musKeeto: So the verses that were posted from the Scripture, were false? Where God clearly unleashes leprosy on Miriam?

If na devil, then GOD and SATAN na pallies.. no wonder them been get meeting for the first chapter of Job...

Ur of ur fatheru hav always been at cross road with God ever since I av been following ur comments,u hav d spirit of rebellion working tirelessly inside of u 2 counter anything gud abt God ur maker,u need deliverance cuz ur of ur father d devil
How there u spk evil abt God dt He is d one dt inputs sickness in2 mankind?go for deliverance!

[quote author=nuella2][/quote]Very þrue,I seconded

ismhab: Christianity is a religion of fraudster.

U must b a great FOOL for making such a comment,is it ur useless religion dt is causing caos in evrywhere in d world dts evil?a religion filled witt terrorist and uninformed ppl,better hold ur peace if u hv notting reasonable 2 say

Harbb: @Cutietreasure, do not Impersonate Christians. You are NOT a Christian. Just present your argument and leave. Butsaying that you are Christian to give the false impression that a Christian is defending the course of Islam speaks volume of the extent to which you can go to conceal the truth.

Thanks for d comment

Pastor Kun: Questions Tithing Advocates Fail To Answer!

Our modern day tithe teachers do not have intellectual honesty.
Most of the pro-tithers cling onto Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42 and say that even Jesus said so, therefore the NT Christians need to tithe.  If they take Matthew 23:23/Luke 11:42 as a command for New Testament Christians to tithe here are the questions they need to answer:
1. According to Mishna and Flavious Josephus the 1st century Jews practiced
multiple tithes (almost 3). How did the early Christians practice all 3 tithes?
2. Did the early Christians who did not own farms and cattle give 23% of their earned income to their Churches?
3. Levitical tithes were yearly and it went to Levites according to their
locations. Who are the Levites today and who were the Levites in 1st century
Christianity?
4. How did the “NT Levites” take the 10% of the 10% to the “NT Priests”?
5. If the NT Pastor is the priest don’t we have to tithe to the ushers, choir,
greeters and other Church staff members and let them tithe from their tithes to
the (senior) Pastor?
6. Why does the Senior Pastor collect all tithes today and give salaries to the
staff members and leave many Church workers unpaid? The OT High Priests did not
do that. The OT Aaronic Priests received only 1% of the total tithe.
7. In the OT the High Priests themselves did not tithe but why do our modern day prosperity
preachers tithe to their cohorts?

8. Regarding the festival tithe, do Christians need to go to Jerusalem to observe it as the Jews did? What is our Jerusalem now? Did the NT Christians practice pilgrimage to Jerusalem?. The festival tithe must be taken to Jerusalem. If that was prescribed to NT Christians we should make pilgrimage to Jerusalem like the Muslims visit Mecca?!?!?!

9. The 3rd tithe for poor (Charity Tithe): Why don’t tithe asking Pastors give their congregation the liberty to take care of the poor? Why would it go to the benevolent funds controlled by the Church board? Poor people need to go through hoops to get some help. That really complicates the process?
10. Even if we assume that tithing was commanded to NT Christians the pro-tithers fail to consider one important thing:

* The plurality of the NT Church leadership.

a. In the first century Christianity no Church was run by a single Pastor. The Churches were founded by Apostles and they in turn appointed elders  a.k.a Pastors (in plural – more than one). Why can’t the tithe seeking Pastors follow that model today?

b. Also the early Church had all 5 five fold ministries in the Church.

Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangelists and Pastors. Well, we all cannot agree if the offices of Apostles and Prophets exist today but we all can agree at least the offices of Pastors, Evangelists and Teaches exist in our contemporary Christianity. So the point is, even if the early Church received tithes it was divided amongst all 5 fold ministers and the money DID NOT GO TO A SINGLE PASTOR unlike what we see today. The tithing advocates today need to answer this question as well. They are unwilling to accommodate other types of ministries but want to dominate and control the finances which is totally unfair.

c. Acts 13:1

Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

In Acts 13:1 we see in the early Church of Antioch they had 5 ministers who were prophets and teachers.   Is it logical to assume all these 5 ministers received “double portion” of the “tithes” that that Church was receiving if it ever received money as tithe.   When Paul and Barnabas were commissioned as Apostles a few verses later did they start receiving half of the money they got when they had that dual calling of functioning as prophets and teachers.  In Acts chapter 13 we see their dual function of prophets and teachers was changed by the Holy Spirit to only one office in the five-fold ministry.

d. Many Senior Pastors have their associate Pastors. Most of them are not paid well and some of them are asked to “live by faith”. These tithe hungry Pastors not only forget the poor but also neglect their own staff members. This example was certainly not followed by the first century Christian church.

Therefore the pro-tithers still would not meet the NT model of tithing even if it was practiced by the early Christian church.

New Testament Christians Don’t Be Deceived By these Mammon Lovers!!

Source: http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/05/22/uncomfortable-questions-for-tithe-teaching-preachers/

Its very obvious u lack an understanding concerning d issue of tithing,it would b wiser for u 2 keep ur mouth shut if u hav noting 2 say rather than coming up here 2 spew rubbish and uninformed comment abt tithing,whom do u think ur helping wen u giv tithe in d church?better ask for understanding from d Holy Spirit,or else u might die in ur poverty