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ismhab: Christianity is a religion of fraudster.

Harbb: @Cutietreasure, do not Impersonate Christians. You are NOT a Christian. Just present your argument and leave. Butsaying that you are Christian to give the false impression that a Christian is defending the course of Islam speaks volume of the extent to which you can go to conceal the truth.

Pastor Kun: Questions Tithing Advocates Fail To Answer!

Our modern day tithe teachers do not have intellectual honesty.
Most of the pro-tithers cling onto Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42 and say that even Jesus said so, therefore the NT Christians need to tithe.  If they take Matthew 23:23/Luke 11:42 as a command for New Testament Christians to tithe here are the questions they need to answer:
1. According to Mishna and Flavious Josephus the 1st century Jews practiced
multiple tithes (almost 3). How did the early Christians practice all 3 tithes?
2. Did the early Christians who did not own farms and cattle give 23% of their earned income to their Churches?
3. Levitical tithes were yearly and it went to Levites according to their
locations. Who are the Levites today and who were the Levites in 1st century
Christianity?
4. How did the “NT Levites” take the 10% of the 10% to the “NT Priests”?
5. If the NT Pastor is the priest don’t we have to tithe to the ushers, choir,
greeters and other Church staff members and let them tithe from their tithes to
the (senior) Pastor?
6. Why does the Senior Pastor collect all tithes today and give salaries to the
staff members and leave many Church workers unpaid? The OT High Priests did not
do that. The OT Aaronic Priests received only 1% of the total tithe.
7. In the OT the High Priests themselves did not tithe but why do our modern day prosperity
preachers tithe to their cohorts?

8. Regarding the festival tithe, do Christians need to go to Jerusalem to observe it as the Jews did? What is our Jerusalem now? Did the NT Christians practice pilgrimage to Jerusalem?. The festival tithe must be taken to Jerusalem. If that was prescribed to NT Christians we should make pilgrimage to Jerusalem like the Muslims visit Mecca?!?!?!

9. The 3rd tithe for poor (Charity Tithe): Why don’t tithe asking Pastors give their congregation the liberty to take care of the poor? Why would it go to the benevolent funds controlled by the Church board? Poor people need to go through hoops to get some help. That really complicates the process?
10. Even if we assume that tithing was commanded to NT Christians the pro-tithers fail to consider one important thing:

* The plurality of the NT Church leadership.

a. In the first century Christianity no Church was run by a single Pastor. The Churches were founded by Apostles and they in turn appointed elders  a.k.a Pastors (in plural – more than one). Why can’t the tithe seeking Pastors follow that model today?

b. Also the early Church had all 5 five fold ministries in the Church.

Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangelists and Pastors. Well, we all cannot agree if the offices of Apostles and Prophets exist today but we all can agree at least the offices of Pastors, Evangelists and Teaches exist in our contemporary Christianity. So the point is, even if the early Church received tithes it was divided amongst all 5 fold ministers and the money DID NOT GO TO A SINGLE PASTOR unlike what we see today. The tithing advocates today need to answer this question as well. They are unwilling to accommodate other types of ministries but want to dominate and control the finances which is totally unfair.

c. Acts 13:1

Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

In Acts 13:1 we see in the early Church of Antioch they had 5 ministers who were prophets and teachers.   Is it logical to assume all these 5 ministers received “double portion” of the “tithes” that that Church was receiving if it ever received money as tithe.   When Paul and Barnabas were commissioned as Apostles a few verses later did they start receiving half of the money they got when they had that dual calling of functioning as prophets and teachers.  In Acts chapter 13 we see their dual function of prophets and teachers was changed by the Holy Spirit to only one office in the five-fold ministry.

d. Many Senior Pastors have their associate Pastors. Most of them are not paid well and some of them are asked to “live by faith”. These tithe hungry Pastors not only forget the poor but also neglect their own staff members. This example was certainly not followed by the first century Christian church.

Therefore the pro-tithers still would not meet the NT model of tithing even if it was practiced by the early Christian church.

New Testament Christians Don’t Be Deceived By these Mammon Lovers!!

Source: http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/05/22/uncomfortable-questions-for-tithe-teaching-preachers/

musKeeto: http://kayceeweezy./2012/05/03/holy-slap-case-bishop-oyedepo-fails-to-appear-in-court/
http://dailytimes.com.ng/article/oyedepo-fails-appear-court



Let justice be served... May HE be slapped by the LONG ARMS of the LAW... (although sha na Naija, im fit pay, talk say na Jesus, up WINNERS)

cutietreasure: Ignorance kills u know. Am a christian but lived with muslims. Islam is a peaceful religion, u know. Allah-God-chineke-olorun. So mind wat u say about God. Have u gone thru the quaran b4?. Y do u have to conclude on somfyn u don't knw.
God never, I repeat, never instructed anyone thru his messenger(SAW) to kill. What u don't knw kills a lot.

adultebony: Well, I heard of the two men that suddenly stripped themselves naked and started acting funny in Canaanland but I didn't hear the BH side of it. Even the Bishop didn't mention the BH angle when announced. Considering the BH mode of operations, they've never attacked anywhere in the South and I don't think they'll want to target Canaanland or the Redemption Camp or any Christian gathering of that magnitude in the South as that may lead to a full blown religious war. I was personally 'chased' out of Kano because the religious intolerance prevalent there, I don't think I'll just fold my hands and watch if they come down south to bomb and kill my family members here, no, I'll certainly be forced to defend myself else I'll be 'chased' out of my fatherland and that can never happen. No sect, tribe or religion has the monopoly of violence (for real), in these days of Google and Wikipedia, it will take less than a week for any educated mind to acquire the skills required to develop an IED or even sophisticated explosives. The Government of the day should know that the young (and of course better educated) men of the South are simply waiting in baited and explosive anger for the 1st BH strike in the south, then this Country will witness real terrorism provoked by a sense of survival. This is my country, my fatherland no stupid BOKO HARAM can

chase me out of here. Won ni were

witkog: Why are you people talking as fools, do u mean God did not have power to make bokoharam member run mad.
Our God of bishop oyedepo can do it and even more. It is not that it is only winners God can do it, he can do it in other churches if you bellieve.
And I see everybody talking as fools, who told you mad people don't confess, mad people confess their sins,why we mad people run from trailer or car, is because some little part of their sense is still correct, all of u talking as fools that says mad people doesn't confess, u are just stupid and just want to lie.I will not allow u fools insult my father bishop david oyedepo. Why do u think our church will lie to be popular, we are not taught like that, the word of God is our watch word.
If u are a bokoharam member come to winners chapel with ur bomb,and let see if u will not run mad immediately, we serve a living God and our God is greater than bokoharam.
Instead of criticizing the church come and learn the word of faith.
Indeed God sent papa bishop david oyedepo to this generation

dare2think: Even Boko-haram has stepped up its digital game and record their bombings and escapades.

But here we are, two members of Nigeria's most wanted group getting caught and most importantly- turning mad.

No pix, no videos, nothing. Absolutetly nothing that can confirm this foolishness Magnificent story.

Yet this happened two weeks ago.


And the first we hear of it is from a faceless blogger!!!



WTF.

Phiozy: We neva wld hv knwn d magnitude of damage dat wld hv bin don if nt 4 d prayers of those dat prayed abt it dat day... Allow God 2 judge wen it comes 2 pastors and prophets else u wld lead urslf 2 comittin a more grievious sin againt d Holy Spirit, blasphemy. I bliv he isnt d only 1 dat foresaw wat happened, if ur spirit doesn't flow wt his, as well as oda MOG, quietly stay away, and allow God 2do His work... Dnt put urslf in trouble 4 sumtin spiritual u dnt knw abt,

pls.

deathmen12: all his prophecy are accurate... well its the nature of man they dont value what they have until they loss it.

bodejohn: ...the holy prophet prophesied that there will be an attack on the youths somewhere in the country and when the supposed attack happened it was some youths you were in a church or service praying. I ask myself, assuming God was willing to reveal this disaster why didn't He just tell one of the leaders in the service? Even if all the people in service were sinners, are there no righteous pastor in the whole of Kano that God could have sent to these children of His who in worshipping Him?
God must have given the prophet in Lagos the vision so that we may be scared since there was no remedy for the situation.
Of all the prophets who I have read about in the bible they spoke the mind of God while proffering solution to the impending disaster. Could the sins of the youths have been more than the sins of the people who lived in biblical Nineve and where just doomed for destruction.

Mmuo Okija: Erm!!! The only people that regretted anything were those poor suckers who went to church on sunday bearing in mind the biblical promise of God according to the books of;

"Psalm 91:16

With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."


"Deuteronomy 6:2

so that you, your children and their children after them may fear the LORD your God as long as you live by keeping all his decrees and commands that I give you, and so that you may enjoy long life."

"1st Kings 3:14

And if you walk in my ways and obey my statutes and commands as David your father did, I will give you a long life."

"Proverbs 3:1 & 2

My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity."


Should I continue or do you get the point?!!

God didnt blow us that bomb that killed 5 people, the Army did. God did not save none of those Christians that died from the multiple bombings because he couldnt. Here on earth, God is only good for scaring little kids and fleecing ignorant grown men. PERIOD!!


U SHALL PERISH IN UR FOOLISHNESS SOONER THAN U EXPECTED!

Anugom ife i kwu. Ka anyi na fu. Mana obi'm apugo na ife gbasara chukwu, ekwensu na eni-igwe.
Ife mua no zi kita bu "Biri kam biri".



I weep for you Azubaby. Keep decieveing yourself waiting on the return of the Dead son of a Jewish carpenter.



You are the bastard child of a spiritually r'aped virgin mother. i'mbecile like you!! I call your name?! May Boko Haram bomb kill wipe out your entire family and leave you handicap let me see how strong wyour faith in that Jewish God would be then. FOOL! The fear of ALUSI OKIJA should put the fear of a real God in you. Kitikpa da gbu kwe gi there. Anu ofia nwulu anwu di ka gi. You have no life for me to be sorry for. Dickhead!

bakila: Funny blasphamy I nearly laughed.

uchemanga: If God wanted to run the affairs of this world all by himself, He wouldn't have made man in His likeness.
God gave the dominion of the earth to man, all He does is to help man achieve this.
He created man a vessel that could carry Him so that through a man, His will and Counsel will stand on earth knowing that there are other spiritual resistance existing on earth with man.

When there is no man in a period of time who yields himself to be possessed of God to avert an imminent disaster, then its bound to occur and God is justified.
God is not a respecter of persons but of principles.

you might want to see this scriptures: Genesis 1:26, Psalm 115:16, Hebrew 10:5-7, Ezekiel 22:30, Colosians 1:27.

August21: From majority of the comments, it is obvious dat evry1 here is beating abt d bush.
For u to argue for or against, u shd state ur Views and back it up with a gud example and ur reason for such a view. We are literates here. Let's get to a stage in Nigeria whr we argue wt points or facts.
Things to note b4 u argue:
1) Who is a fake prophet
2) How do dey operate
3)What criteria shd we consider b4 we say a person is a fake.
Enlighten us wt ur ansa b4 u talk. I.e make a Reasonable point.
For me anyway I think no one has bn able to convince me wt a reasonable point. Here. So, am still waiting. -----August21.

Bastiger: In the bible when noah started building the ark,he was calleds all sorts of names,even when he entered the ark with his family insults were hurled at him,who in their time believed God will wreak vengeance on them?...stiffnecked fools....the cycle continues, people only tend to believe what they only see,good for them.that you do not believe in something does not mean it doesn't exist...fools die.

ekwah: now some atheist will say he knew the deceased before hand. Did he also know the president of Malawi? Go no guys, continue to celebrate your ignorance.

ekwah: Some people are just blind!

Your ignorance was made very clear in the above comments you made. Why do people like you and some atheist show so much foolishness/lack of good judgement when they see the truth Who are you to say a prophet is a fake/True one? Didn't Elijah prophesy doom in the bible? Didn't T.B Joshua say the MAIN reason for such prophecies is for Christians to pray for it's aversion? He didn't make it happen, mind you, he foresaw it in the spirit and decided to say it out.The way some of you guys reason is just so annoying. Mind you, I am not saying there are no false prophets, just be careful of the way you jump into conclusions about some men of God and your so-called idea on what they should prophesy or not.

handsomeness: it is written,don't insult MOG because our Lord doesn't take that lightly...if he's a Fake prophet,then so be it...if he's for Real.,then so be it...u have been warned..i Rest ma Case..