Butterflyleo:


Dummy he was an atheist 100% but trauma made him begin to imagine the afterlife and divinity.

Perhaps you need to read about why he composed that poem.

When I say you lack any modicum of sense you will say one insulted you.

Brain on leave

Trauma made Mao to write that poem? The guy was writing poems before coming into power.


Butterfly-lying

Butterflyleo:


This is Mao Zedongs poem titled the immortals.



To think Mao Zedong was a crusading atheist who killed at will and held the notorious record of about 80million killings and murders in his hands and was the reason why the word Democide came to be. This is shocking.

Lol....so Mao was not an atheist? He was just secular.

Thanks for posting his poem. If not for your post, I wouldn't have thought of researching more on Chairman Mao.

winner01:
I've answered that severally here. Christianity is not a religion. Whatever you or any other retar*d thinks of this is yours and yours alone.

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winner01:
A christian Majority country is secular , Nigeria is also a secular country. At least its neither a Christian country nor a Muslim country.

If atheism has nothing to do with sports, why do you open stupid threads on God and sports? Is it the delusion?

Ogbeni, look up the meaning of secularism before you talk rubbish. Germany is a secular country as there separation of government from religion.

In many areas in the Eastern parts, Germany is not just secular but atheistic with more then 90% of the population not belonging to any church (also no Muslims around there).

In other regions like Bavaria, which is a catholic stronghold, courts decided the last years on removing religious symbols like crosses in court rooms and schools, on basis of the German constitution.

Also, stop telling lies. I never opened any thread on sports and religion.

winner01:
I am irreligious. If I was asked to tick a questionairre, I would attest to being irreligious. Religion is good, but do not believe in religion, I believe in God as shown through Christ Jesus.

How about the majority of religious countries that have won the world cup? What nuisance do you have to contribute to that fact?

Christianity is not a religion?

winner01:

1. Just like several developed countries, Germany is a Christian majority country and they are doing very well.

2. Brazil, Argentina and other religious countries have won the world cup severally. If Germany wins the world cup, it means a Christian majority country entry would have won the world cup, where are the atheists countries?

3. You have missed the total point. This is not about religion influencing football. This is about the world not giving a sh*t about atheist opinions.
Any atheist opinion on football or sports simply constitutes a nuisance.

Germany is a secular country.

Atheism has nothing to do with sports. Your thread is silly

OkaiCorne:


Going by your statistics ...


66-67% of Germans are what?

49% of German youths are what?

Moreover, Israel is a religious country...why aren't they backward like Nigeria?

It would pay you to do research before coming to argue. Try to understand how these polls on religion are done.

That 35-36% of religious people are those that outrightly state that they are irreligious. That figure does not include irreligious people who still identify as christians due to baptism or tradition. There is also the fact that irreligious people tick "I don't know" or "other religion", as well.


That aside, Germany is a very secular country. That is an undeniable fact.

Isreal is not as religious as Nigeria. Isreal has never won the world cup. Isreal is also a racist country that has failed to understand peace since the 70s.

Winner01,

Germany won the last world cup.

Germany is one of the most secular countries in the world

35-36% of Germans are irreligious

51% of German youth are irreligious



Receive sense!

This world cup hasnt ended

There is nothing much to add. The reasons in the op are enough for anyone to see issues with theism/religion

budaatum:

The Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun is in Osun State. I do not experience hostility from religious people there or anywhere else, even despite that I have the largest concentration of family members - whom one may feel have the need to save one - there than anywhere else in the world.

A favorite phrase of mine, and I quote from the bav, is, "buda's god is a selfish god. It has no time to be saving anyone else but buda". So I don't feel the need to be asking anyone to abandon their gods and convert to my ways. But that's not to say there are no idiots amongst them. I once had some prick come to save my so called "damned soul", and hours later that person was begging me to save them from starving!

Not many people are as rude to me as to think they should convert me, and if they did feel the need, they could at least try to do so without the prickiness. You would notice from my engagements on here that most who quote me would modify their prickiness or dare not quote me. It is, I think, because I respect myself and wish other's would too, or perhaps they fear I would befuddle them with my superior intellect and what some have called "wisdom", or maybe its just because perhaps I am not a prick to them.

My religious conversations are mostly with the Chief Imam, the Anglican Vicar or the heads in the various other religions, and the well educated, and my aim is to understand, and not to argue that my ways are better than their's. Perhaps the hostility you experience could be because of the level of people you engage with, or how you engage with them. On the whole, I find that I reap what I sow. Maybe you do too?

Guy, you be local champion. Son of the soil.

johnydon22:


This assumption is not necessarily true. I get emails from these non-commenting ghost readers. Most just have questions ..

That reminds me, someone sent me an email recently but Yahoo have refused to log my account in. They have refused to send me activation key to my phone.

Any ideas?

I wish I could help but I'm not an IT guy.

As for my assumption, it is true for a lot of them. Many complain about the religion section (because of the atheists here) in other sections. I have met some christian nairalanders (although not many) who have stated that they find atheists in the religion section annoying. Although, one did confess that the atheists were making more sense than the christians they were debating! lol

Martinez19:
What kind of statement is this? Rationality RIP.

budaatum:

Ok, let's consider "nairaland christians" , sic.

You are aware that the majority of them read without commenting, right? And that only a very tiny fraction of those who comment are pricks?

Trust me. Many of those that avoid commenting are people who are so disgusted by atheism that they don't want to talk.

I have seen comments about the religion section claiming that the religion section is satanic. Too many atheists in the religion section



And yes, not all Christians are like the Dumbocracy aka. Felixomoron, Butterfly-lying, AnASS09 and ScienceRetard.

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha Oga calm down na I'm not trying to say his beliefs were not to be blamed

I'm pretty sure I have not suggested his beliefs were innocent.

I just pointed out a Nihilist would have similar reaction or at least close one



Therefore sadness is meaningless and pointless.

See?

I think it depends.

But still, it is a scary mindset.

johnydon22:


Well a Nihilist would also react just as your friend did

Johnny! Johnny! You don start again! Always being reluctant to blame religion.

What my friend did is called fatalism........religious fatalism to be precise.


A nihilist would see that as random and meaningless.

frank317:


I actually grew up in the north... I served in yobe and during working at my ppa I made a fool of both atheists and Muslims... Yet I was the most loved guy in our Lodge.. People are really easy to manipulate it's an act u learn with experience

hmmm.

As for me, I cannot try that. Maybe it is my experience. I have seen too many mad people- so much that I cannot risk testing them.

One example- I was driving home with a work colleague, and we drove past a fallen truck that killed people. I told my friend that it is a sad way to die. The fucking nigga replied "there is no need to be sad. It is god's will. They died at the right time"! That was the last time the nigga entered my car.


Nonsense

ScienceWatch:
The OP is very serious about the fear and sorrow that atheism births, yet you habitually misunderstand everything that has been said.
Stick to your strongest character which is mockery and insults of innocent people that has done you no harm.

No one can escape spiritual law. The symptoms of mental illness is already evident for all to see.

What do you call a person that repeatedly and willfully coward innocent people ?

Can we all report this clown?

Sciencewatch, I dont read anything you write again. move along

frank317:


I am not in challenge with anyone... What am I going to osun to b bold for? But I am sure if I have friends in osun and there is need to discuss religion.. I will still intimidate them.

I have lived in almost all parts of Nigerian... Akwaibom, IMO, Kaduna, Zaria, Abuja, Lagos, kogi, yobe, port, Anambra and didn't have issues with anyone what makes u think osun will be different... I am still going to be the same Frank that makes a fool of theists

Did I just see northern states in your list of places that you have lived as an atheist?

Frank, it is like you want to become an atheist matyr abi? Be forming bad guy there.

frank317:


Daddy freeze is arongant.. What do u expect. If daddy freeze was like Johnny he will have more followers

I am not so sure.

Daddy Freeze's style is more entertaining. The blasting he gave some pastors was just too sweet!

He even called Apostle Suleiman "the Otobolizer"

johnydon22:


I had no problem with your approximation until you extended your quantification towards the christians in my own circle dubbing my personal experience with Christians around me as either a lie or delusion.

- Its a hasty generalization
- False generalization

The only thing i wanted you to understand here is that personal experiences are not benchmarks to approximate a general overview.

I recall that i did not make an argument on Christian not being hostile towards people due to their atheism, i only explained [b]my own experience which you dismissed as either a lie or a delusion since it does not coincide with yours or your aggregation of the average christian reaction towards atheism.[/b]

I only hope your flaws on this argument are apparent now

@ Bold

I see the problem now. Sorry about that. I thought you were using your attitude and success to argue that if atheists will hardly face hostility from christians if they were like you.

Sorry again. I somehow misinterpreted your original comment

For frank317 to understand where I am coming from.


You see, I call myself a humanist and not an atheist because, humanists tend to agree on at least 70% with each other on politics and religion.

Atheists on the other hand, have nothing in common (except disbelief in God).

I have been with both atheists and humanists abroad. Can you imagine that atheists lost a debate on a religious topic because they couldnt get their act together?


Johnydon22 said something that annoyed me on another thread. He was reluctant to blame religion for violence or wars....or sha something.

If you know my story, I have almost beaten an innocent child to death because I thought he was a witch. So I am very vocal about the danger of religion

johnydon22:
Another wrong approach, christians on nairaland is simply but a fraction of the lot and does not in any way mirror the expected reaction likelihood from Christians within your circle offline.




We can as well put into consideration other factors which include; the way one exhibits one's atheism? as Budaatum suggested and everyone knows just how verbally aggressive such movements are in the United States per say.

So at the end of the day, you are still incorrect in your submission, it is not as linear as you'd have us believe.

- Not every christian reacts with hostility to atheism
- Not every atheist is a condescending prick with attitude issues towards religious folks

There are several variables that contribute to reactions either way it leans.

And at the end point of it, your experience does not define mine neither can it be used as a benchmark to measure mine.

Stop imposing your own problems on others. I am an atheist and i am quite open about it when asked, i discuss and argue when necessary and everyone in my circle, family, friend, girl friend, peers are all christians and i do not have one flying ounce of problem with them neither do they based on the polarity of our beliefs.

Sorry, I did not see this reply before.

Clearly, I was generalising. Of course, not every christian is a religious nutjob. However, I am addressing the aggregate. In totality, are christians more likely to be hostile or friendly when you tell them that you are an atheist?

The answer is "hostile", if you live in a religious country. Simple and short. If we use America to judge, the answer is too clear.



I still wonder why you dont want to consider nairaland christians as a good sample for Nigerian christians. I cant see how it would be different in real life. At least, people are more honest online with anonymity. It is even better than real life.........

Martinez19:
Johnydon22 and superhumanist, make una settle and agree to disagree.

Blessed are the peacemakers

johnydon22:


Lagos is not the problem. I live in Enugu and i have all my life.

Hmmm.........

Lets see....Enugu. Well, my time working there, nobody actually disturbed me. I lived in both GRA's in Enugu town (both new and old GRA). It was a quiet area and I was a quiet foreigner there. I could see the Ferris wheel in the shoprite from where i stayed in old GRA.

The short of it is that I can say much about Enugu. Did not do much in Enugu

frank317:


I really don't understand what u are unto... He has clearly given u probable reasons why his experience may different from the norm in ur world.
- his attitude towards religious people
- his personality
- the fact that he does not leverage on anyone

Recall he has not expressly advice that Martinez should go about proclaiming his non believe. He has also advised caution and necessity.

I think u owe him an apology for calling him a lair. Was that even necessary?

I have personal beef with the guy.

Still, nothing about what he said really matters. If someone truly hates you, will your attitude and personality change much?

Take an example of daddy freeze that is independent and does not take nonsense. Can you see how many pastors have come for his head?

frank317:


I am in Nigeria Lagos.

I intimidate my Co workers... We only argue but no issue.
Like Johnny even strangers are curious to know why I don't believe... They ask me their normal silly questions and all that and it ends there... Then no born anyone to intimidate me because of my believe.


I was coming back from a week trip to South Africa last month and met a lady in the plan(it was a 5 hour flight) she actually went for a religious convention.

We got talk and she started to preach.. I told her point blank that everything is fake... Do u know she didn't let me go? She was curious to know me more. She called her driver and asked where I was going... Luckily we were both going to island from the airport. She was nice to me... Drops me off took my number and just inky last week she invited me to a church program which I declined.

If any Christian tried to intimidate me because of my believe he will actually regret it

I see the problem. Lagos.

I work around Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun (although it might change soon).

Lagos is very developed compared to these other states. You can't try to be bold with your atheism in somewhere like Osun or Oyo.

johnydon22:


So in other words, your experience must mirror mine or else i am lying or delusional?

great.

If it was only my experience to go on, I would be wrong. Your experience too could be wrong/subjective as well.


There are two other objective measures we can use

1. Right here on nairaland, how do christians respond to atheism? Is it with open arms or with hostility?

2. We can use another religious country- The USA. As developed as it is, we can see how many cases of discrimination against atheist arise.


Furthermore on the issue of "atheist experience" in the USA, you cannot be an atheist and be a president in the USA. There are polls showing that atheists are one of the least trusted people in the country.



So, oga, I have precedent to back my assertions. What do you have to back up your experience?



cc Frank317, martinez19, budaatum

frank317:


Hi I must let u know that I am facing almost the same situation with Johnny. I agree that it's OK to b financially independent before u let ur atheism come to the open.

But it's not the only reason why I am not being persecuted as an atheist.

I have a very domineering personality. I don't give people the opportunity to talk down on me. Even my bosses can't. But some how and luckily my past two bosses are really against churches and are closet atheists as far as I am concerned.

But my colleagues feel very intimidated when ever they are around me. I make them look like fools so they avoid religious discussions with them.

Most times I force them to talk and make a fool of them... Then never born the person that will persecute me because of my believe.. I will shut u down.

However I have a very interesting personality... I am easily likeable and people easily think I am smart, perhaps because I am bold. People like me for always being honest and outspoken and are ready to forget about my religious status when dealing with me... Therefore in the bid not to hate me they rather we don't talk religion despite my always itching to.

My family just tire for me... They really cannot do anything... They just say they are praying for me and we are all good.

I think in my case the situation is the other way round... I persecute religious folks instead

Two questions then

1. Are you based in Nigeria?

2. Are you saying that you have not had incidents with your coworkers?

johnydon22:


Aren't the bolded exactly what I said bro?

Yes. But you like talking with two sides of your mouth. Let me analyse your comment below

johnydon22:


Amazingly they don't automatically assume I was insane. The first hint I notice is curiosity.

You don't believe in God? Wow. How come?

Why?

What do you believe in?

I take time to explain, try to sate their curiosity the best way I can.

They don't lose their respect or love for me. They somehow develop a different kind of admiration and respect.

Maybe because no one really have any leverage on me.

Either you are delusional with your success or you are lying.

Bro, I am independent as well. However, religion is a madness of its own. There are people who will beg you for money and still advice you to stop your satanic ways so that you can give your life to Christ.

Even at work, people will use style to bring you to their church. Virtually every office on Nigeria has at least two "Deeply born agains" that will worry for your soul.


I remember one of my bosses who chopped blasting from the managing partner because he was unavailable due to Friday prayers at the mosque.

Obama was called an anti-christ just because he wasn't a serious Christian (or they suspected him to be a secret atheist)


In short, most Nigerian Christians do not respond with curiousity when they face an atheist (especially for the first time). This means that I am saying that you are lying when you claim that your family and friends respond with curiousity to your atheism.

The initial response is that they think

-you are joking
-you are mad
-you don join cult
-you don become Satanist.


The above is far more popular as responses than curiousity. Or maybe you are thinking that their questions are not sarcastic.

Martinez19,

IF YOU ARE IN NIGERIA, KEEP YOUR ATHEISM CLOSE TO YOURSELF.

The only exception to this rule is when you are financially independent. You have money to support yourself and so, no religious fool can touch you.


Please, do not listen to Johnydon22. Even though the guy makes sense most of the time, he likes to behave like Martin Luther King thinking that his oppressors will change if you are nice and open with them.

The average Nigerian is religiously crazy. You are in a nation of crazy religious people and you think they will act normally to your rejection of their religion?


Oga, quietly study and make your money. Forget exposing yourself to dangerous people.


I have experience working in different companies across southern Nigeria and soon I will open a diary on it so that people will know where I am coming from

Butterflyleo:


How did peter kill Ananias wife? With a sword or gun or stone? Can you tell me or show me where it said peter killed her?

Acts 5 from verse 9



So where did it say Peter killed her?

Can you show me where and how CHRISTIANS can actually kill?

Let me see who is actually saying nonsense between you and I.

Also regarding unicorns, To you, Do they exist?

I have come to expect dishonesty from you whenever you engage with atheists.

I have asked you 3 times about how you know that unicorns do not exist and three times you have dodged with misdirection.
This time, you are dodging by asking me if they exist. Is that not silly? You made a claim and I asked you to defend it but you are now questioning me- answering a question with a question.

Oga, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT UNICORNS DO NOT EXIST?


As for you claiming that Peter did not kill Ananias's wife, you are just too dishonest. Peter clearly cursed her to death just like how Jesus cursed the fig tree not to produce. If you disagree, then tell me how she died.

Butterflyleo:
To know means to have knowledge! Learn words and their meanings please.

Atheism declares there is no God (based on a knowledge they have which they believe contradicts the existence of God)

I say unicorns and fairies do not exist also based on the same reason atheists have and both are based on knowledge. Now that I am aware that such does not exist why then would I foolishly be running around wasting my energy and time STILL SEEKING for evidence of WHAT I KNOW does not exist?

Feel free to relate this to atheism and this thread.

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Christians do not kill. Anyone who kills is not a christian.

Christian MEANS TO BE LIKE CHRIST. And Christ did not kill, He loved, healed, cured, comforted, never hated. Anybody who claims to be a christian and kills unbelievers isnt a Christian. Like I told the OP, your comment is a non sequitu

Bro, defend your claims clearly. How do you know that Unicorns do not exist? Don't misdirect by accusing atheists of something. How do you know that unicorns do not exist? Give me your proof or your logic that me you to ascertain such knowledge.


As for the second part of your comment where you claim that christians do not kill, I cannot but laugh at such a ridiculous claim. Only a crazed fanatic could make such a comment. The same bible clearly shows that christians face temptations and still sin. Furthermore, Peter killed Ananias's wife at Acts 5; 1-11.

In short, christians can actually kill. Stop saying nonsense.