rekinomtla:


I am addressing the topic, just indirectly.

No, you are not.

Speaking about violence-

Koicereloaded, do not go around in the USA comparing Malcolm X to Hitler (or Boko Haram) because you will get beaten up for saying something both foolish and disrespectful towards black people.

As we all know, foolish ideas are very welcome on nairaland without consequences. In the real world, there are consequences.

I am not an American and so, I can tolerate your views on Malcolm X but I cant speak for everyone.

KoiceReloaded:


Dude...

You got it all wrong. You're equating morality to moral compass, which are 2 different things. Perception of morality, ie, the way an individual may think or understand GOOD and EVIL varies from individual to individual, BUT, there is a natural ability that enable us to analyse those two moral conducts and make the correct decision. We call that MORAL COMPASS. In some people, that moral compass is broken or screwed up, we call such people AMORAL or in more clinical terms, PSYCHOPATHS and SOCIOPATHS.

Malcolm X ain't the only African American to have lost loved ones. Many lost a whole generation, but didn't take up arms, because, they were smart enough to learn from history. When you take up arms against a superior-armed numerically advantaged oppressor, you're not only putting yourself in danger, you're putting your entire community/nation/village/tribe/race in danger for your own selfish reasons. They are the ones that will bear the blunt of it when you've fled or died. Their descendants will also bear the blunt of it.

Read up on the Apartheid South Africa. The whites were oppressing the natives, and the natives tried to take back their country by force. What happened? The worst segregation in the history of modern era. A native cannot walk down the street without a "pass" or a written note from their "massa". Violence didn't solve anything for the natives then, and never did, if anything, it made things worse. They did get their country back... eventually, but it took several years and it was as a result of PEACEFUL protest demonstrations at the front gates of the UN and the good old reliable DIPLOMACY.

Youthful Malcolm X set the Africa Amerians back several years by his violent approach because he refused to learn from history. Thank providence MLK undid some of those blights, else, things would have continued being dire for the blacks in America. Who am kidding, things are still dire, but it could be a lot worse, and they have MLK and JFK to thank for that, not Malcolm X.


He did, yes. He finally learned that violence begets violence. Alas, he got assassinated before he could rewrite the very legacy you're extolling.



Violence against an oppressor without a numerical or armory advantage is not only foolish, it's sucidal and counterproductive. Unless you have this, you're only digging a deeper hole for yourselves.

You talked about self defence, of course, people are allowed to defend themselves if their lives are at stake. When someone is coming at you with a knife, your natural instinct is to either run or defend yourself. However, It doesn't apply here, because the African Americans in the time of Malcolm X weren't exactly fearing for their lives. They are fully segregated, ie, they have their own separate towns, ride in their own separate buses, and have their own separate bars and market places. They wanted to be heard, to integrate, to be treated equally as the whites, not hide in witness protection programmes.


I don't believe that, and even if it were true, he made good in the end. His legacy brought about the first black president in the history of the United States. Nuff said.



O boy...

^^Please show me where I specifically said that freedom is wrong. Dude, stop misquoting me, please. There is nothing wrong with freedom provided you go about it through diplomatic channels. I mean, that's what I've been trying to drum into your skull since Wednesday, yes?

In the case of Haiti, their lives were at stake and everything. They were forced to live in squalor, flogged incessantly, raped, and left to die when they are too ill/weak to "earn their keep". They had two options: use their numerical advantage to liberate themselves from certain death or do nothing and die in captivity. Naturally, they chose the former. Thus, it was clearly self defense.


More so now than ever. It's clear you have a broken moral compass or it's screwed up. Doesn't bode well for you either way.

I have a broken moral compass? Wrong! The problem is that you are quite the delusional idealist.

Look at how you romanticised the Haitian revolution. Who told you they had superior numbers? They did not have superior numbers at the beginning. The first successful attempts spurred on many to join.

And isnt your "superior numbers" argument a fallacy? So violence is okay when there are superior numbers on your side? That is quite the darwinist morality you have there.


And for your information, Malcolm X's period was a period in America were blacks were still slaves in a sense. As far as I am concerned, a person is a slave if he has no rights. Black people did not have rights during that era until 1964. Malcolm X was not the only black man who felt the need to rise up. He had a following, lest you forget. There were even other groups with the same ideology.


It was violence that ended slavery in America. There was a civil war for that
It was violence that gave blacks rights in 1964. This was after many violent clashes with the police and civil rights protesters.


What I am saying in summary is that in certain contexts, violence is the best option. It is not that I believe in violence. When you enslave people, they have a right to fight for their rights.

In this modern day Nigeria, I do not see the need for violence when there are avenues for redress and no-one is enslaving me.



I also hope that you are not coming from a religious view on morality (objective morality) because that would be very indefensible.

Anas09:

So becos i said he is unbiased in his assessment of issues he is wrong?
He is wrong now becos he said the truth?

Why don't you pick the points he gave, analyze them and pin point where he is wrong?

I've always known you to be daft beyond repair.

Butterflyleo, you do a tremendous job school this kid. He has learned nothing from all the effort you have put in him, Chai.

So Johnydon22 is absolutely wrong becos i said he is rational, not from what he said.

Nonsense mumuhumanist.

No quote me again o. which kind mumu be this?

I left your comment unreplied for some days .

I actually addressed Johnnydons argument on religion v technology. You are just too biased to see it.

ScienceWatch:
It is also common knowledge that Satanism is an officially recognized religion.

Why don't Atheists mock Satanism?

SATANISM IS A RELIGION.

Why stop at Satanism?

What about Jainism? ATR? Hinduism? Wiccan religion?

I hope you can see how foolish your question is. Atheist must address all religions and ignore the one that affects them. Absolute nonsense.

rekinomtla:
If I told to sketch what your ancestors look like would you draw a monkey or ape?

Why ask this silly question? Wouldn't it be better if you addressed the topic?

ScienceWatch:
Haaaa ha hic hic, I am rolling on the floor laughing.
ROTFL, LMAO you are extremely truthful and funny at the same time.Lol.

Have you heard Richard Dawkins, atheisms SATANIC prophet ? He told atheists that they were all once FISH.

Your silly comments does not relate to the topic. Please gather sense

KoiceReloaded:


By your logic, Boko Haram are bunch of activist too. They are clamouring for their own Islamic nation after all, or are they not? Dude... just stop, okay? Violence is not the answer. Your moral compass is all screwed up.

Morality is not black and white bro.

Malcolm X suffered hardships on a time when blacks had no rights. Put things into context as well. Malcolm lost a father and uncle to white supremacists.

However, Malcolm did move away from his prejudiced stance on white men in his later years.


Violence is the only language an oppressor understands. Violence has its uses. I am not a violent man but when it is a self defense issue, there is need for it.


Even the MLK you so love, engineered violence. He knew that hat his protests would end up with violence with the police.


Morality is not black and white.


I want to ask you 2 questions

1. Are you saying that the slaves in Haiti who killed their slavemasters for freedom were wrong?

2. Do you think that it is sensible to compare Malcom X to Hitler and Boko Haram?

rawdpiper:
Those that have watched Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, is it worth going to the cinema to watch?

No spoilers!!!

The movie is average and predictable. It has nice visuals and some good scares though.


For once the T-rex was not the baddo.

KoiceReloaded:


In his youth, yes, Malcolm X would have exterminated the whites if the necessary resources were accessible to him. This is a man that held the belief that "all white men are evil" for crying out loud. And this is someone you're proudly extolling??

Hitler held the belief that all Jews were evil, I'm pretty sure he felt oppressed in his own way, and because he had access to the necessary resources, he acted on them.




Jesus!

- First, Hitler is not famous, he's INFAMOUS. There's a difference.
- 2nd, people don't buy hitler's books because of "historical significance" - there are much better books for that - but for the "philosophy" (esp), market value (there are people that collect books written by infamous people and can pay a lot of money for one in a mint condition), and sheer curiosity.

You keep comparing Malcolm X to Hitler. You keep digging that hole.


Malcolm X was by no means a saint but he was a true activist.

KoiceReloaded:

Hmmm. I'm shocked. You might as well say Hitler's "final solution" was the right call. You see, he had a legit reasons for hating the Jews (he was dumped by a jewish girlfriend, got his art rejected by a jew and the final stroke, the Jews were outbirthing the germans 3 to 1), but didn't in any way excuse him for exterminating millions and millions of Jews. When you don't get your way, you don't throw a tantrum, that are for babies and toddlers.

Do you honestly think that blacks would achieve half the things Luther achieved with diplomacy, with violence in a country they are outnumbered 90 to 10? How long would it have taken for the whites to exterminate them all? Remember the native indians? They chose to fight the superior armed whites, and got massacred like chickens, and now they live in reservations with deplorable conditions. Oppressors will never give you rights unless challenged, that is correct. But you don't challenge them by hauling stones and Molotov cocktail at them and destroying community properties and raping their women, rather, you appeal to their sense of empathy through diplomacy. You do it the MLK way: show them you're a human like the rest of them, that they were wrong about you. Don't give them a reason to shoot and ask questions later. If there is one thing I've leant about violence, it solves nothing, and sets you back several paces.

Malcolm X has a book that still sells, correct. And so does Hitler - his book, Mein Kampf is a bestseller. Hitler has a legacy too. Neo-nazis anyone? Truth is most famous and infamous people leave some element of legacy behind, but it's up to us as intelligent beings to choose the ones to follow and emulate. Malcolm X legacy only attracts militia minded people (people with victim complex) in much the same way Hitler's legacy attracts white supremacist and race bigots. I don't know about you but that's not a good thing where I come from... at all.

Dude, it's surprised at you oo. This is a f**king letdown. I tagged you for a rational person, and here you were with drunk assertions. You're practically supporting anarchy. It's a primitive way of thinking imo.

You just compared Malcolm X to Hitler and you think you are the one being rational.

Malcolm X was fighting for his people against oppressors. Who was oppressing Hitler?



There is a wiki entry on Malcolm X's legacy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X#Legacy

Malcolm X was prejudiced towards whites but even whites understood where he was comping from.


And there is a difference between mein kampf and books of other famous people.

Mein kampf is bought because of its historical significance and not that Hitler's philosophy is good.

KoiceReloaded:


Contextually, you were. Generally speaking... we will see.

Okay . No problem.

Ishilove:

The subject of your rationality is subjective and open for a debate, one which I have no inclination to pursue.

Just admit that you are feeling my intellectual swag.

KoiceReloaded:


Martin Luther King was the black Jesus, not the racist, antagonistical rebel called Malcolm X. Both of them wanted blacks and whites to be equal, but Malcolm X wanted them to remain separate, whilst King wanted them to integrate. Malcolm X is better known for the attitudes he held in his youth and as a member of the Nation of Islam. He believed that the white man is the devil, and blacks would never be treated equally under whites, and sought to establish a separate Islamic nation for all blacks, BY FORCE if necessary. MLK however, is a pacifist like the Biblical jesus and sought for the equality of blacks through more diplomatic method.

MCU satirized both in the X-men Chronicle - Charles Xavier is MLK and Magneto is Malcolm X, and who is more celebrated... Charles Xavier of course. MLK is a proud moment in African American history and thus has a national holiday celebrated in all 50 states of the United States every 21st January. Malcolm X has no legacy to speak of.

Malcolm X has legacy.

He was right about violence. Blacks did not get rights till there were protests and violence on the streets.

Oppressors will never give you your rights unless challenged. His books still sell.

Magneto achieved far more than Charles Xavier. He had his own mutant planet at the end.

Ishilove:

You mistook him for superhumanist

So you agree that I'm quite rational?

Anas09:

I have always known you to have inferiority complex. John no be your class. You may pride yourself that you both are in the same atheist camp, yet deep down, you know you are rass where he is.

Interesting.

Since you and felixomor are praising johnnydon, I am quite confident that he is wrong.

I mean, if two of the worst Christians lend you support, wouldn't you question yourself?

Ishilove:

Don't come and pollute this thread with your satanic presence. The thread has been fun before you and your ilk came along. If you have no movie to recommend or discuss, get the fvck out of here and never return.

Lol.....you were the one fighting with the guy that was releasing spoilers on avengers infinity war. All your insults are on this thread

Kindly keep fighting away from me. Thanks

oyb:


Keep trolling.

Yes. The truth is now trolling.

Challenge Accepted.

oyb:


No it isn't. What is available is an HD rip. Until you have webdl or brrrip, it's not a proper copy, and your viewing experience may be limited. A poor copy of pacific rim came out before the bbrip proper. It had no subtitles for the Chinese dialog, and there were artifacts in the video. Messed it up for me.

Good. Awoof dey purge.

Watch it in cinema next time.

You see, this is my problem with certain People. You claim to be moral yet engage in stealing and pirating (downloading pirate copies) movies.

Cc ishilove.

Anas09:

Which prices has he earned? What is this one talking about? He is only helping educate you, but instead of being humble and learn you want to further expose your folly.

Keep quiet.

oyb:


Please Go to amazon, Microsoft, itunes online stores. They all sell or rent movies and TV shows. Even Netflix now has options to download rather than stream.

A 4k movie in Mkv or mp4 is 4-8gb in x264, and 2-3 gb in x265
Stop showcasing your ignorance

And a 4k lg tv is not in the millions, unless your going for oled

Stop being aggressively backward.

Lol....a real 4k movie is about 20gig and above

The 1080p scaled 4k movies are around 8 gig

And I hope that it is not Nigerian internet that you are on.


As for the TV, you are right. The 60 inch 4k TV is sold at half a million (500k)



Still, why go through all the stress just to save cinema expenses? You are not broke like sister ishi.

Ishilove:

This is an understatement.

Keep quiet. At least oyb watches stuff on a quality TV in hd.

You, with your Pako laptop, should keep quiet.

Awon broke babes united.

oyb:


someone is touchy today . . .

and more than a little ignorant to boot. there are multiple options to watch movies as digital media without physical discs. both pirated and paid for. stop being a neaderthal.

Lies.

You want to stream or download a 4k movie or a Blu-ray? Lol......


Go to a cinema, cheapskate

oyb:


I watch my movies with the fam, pizza, 60inch 4k and sound bar. 1080p or 720p bbrip

Am I supposed to be impressed with your penny wise pound foolish approach to movies?

You can afford a 4k 60 inch TV which costs millions but cant buy a DVD or Blu-ray cd.

It would be like buying a new Toyota land cruiser costing 20 million while using a local mechanic for servicing.


Worse off, your family would enjoy the cinema more (children love it)

F4ck your pizza.

Ishilove:

In your eagerness to troll me, you have forgotten that there are people who prefer watching movies alone without the distractions of a crowd.

I call bullshite.

There are viewing times at which the cinema halls are almost empty. That is what I do when I want to view movies without crowd.

You are either broke or agoraphobic.

Ishilove:

See as you are just spoiling the movie left, right and centre.

I can't understand why you can't watch a blockbuster movie at the cinema.

2,000 naira is now too much? Or even go on a date?

Butterflyleo:


Dude we are not talking about nothing. We are talking about a lack of belief which did not just happen. It got replaced by a belief in something else.

Stop being a dumbo

False. A lack of belief can never be a belief. That is a contradiction if you say that a lack of belief is a belief.

hopefulLandlord:


Una dey try o! How would someone say "Marxism gave birth to atheism" and you still have the time to engage his doubling down on such nonsense?

Reminds me of when he kept saying he didn't call Anonynymous an atheist when the evidence was right there. The guy doubled down and even started posting screenshots that proved he did call him an atheist while accompanying the screenshots with the claim that he didn't.

I wonder why "it was a mistake" or "I was wrong" is so impossible for some people to say after all no one is above gaffing once in a while

dalaman:



That one always has something to say even when caught red handed with his hands inside the cookie jar stealing cookies.

He'll always try to say something thinking his deluded lies will get him out.

I swear down. He thinks he is fooling people with his lies. He probably doesn't know how he looks

The asslicker don show!

Butterflyleo:


Your brain is obviously on a baecation with another daft brain which can never comprehend anything sensible due to their levels of senselessness.

Was this meant to be funny or witty?

Butterflyleo:



Dude I bow for your mumu I swear.

I have nothing in my hand is same as I don't have anything in my hand.

That statement clearly shows you how word juxtaposing works and how not having anything in your hand can mean you having nothing in your hand.

Its simple everyday English illiterate mumuhumanist.

Lacking a belief means you hold a belief in something else. One belief replaced the other. Something made you lack a belief and that something is your new belief which has replaced your lack of one.

Logic and common sense 101.

You cannot hold "nothing". That is scientifically impossible. "Nothing" does not exist. The concept of "nothing" is an abstract concept.


Stop being foolish.

Butterflyleo:


Atheism and communism

Atheism + communism

Mumu overload. Are communists not atheists?

Are Marxists not atheists?

Your own mumu keeps rejecting every form of therapy.

Can you separate Marxism from communism?

My line of words are certainly not within the scope your brain can handle

Ogbeni, sharrap and stop gloating with pride over your daft comments.