hopefulLandlord:


Lmao! Marxism birthed communism? hahaha, what next? Brazil birthed Nigeria?

Lol.... Someone has already opened a thread about butterflylion's madness.

Butterflyleo:


Also atheism is a belief. A lack of belief in one thing automatically means a belief in something else. There is absolutely no vacuum in nature. One thing replaces another ALWAYS!

If an atheist says I lack the belief that God exists that simply means I BELIEVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Its simply word juxtaposition.

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Even more stupidity.

Only a dishonest and delusional religious apologist could make sure he an argument that a lack of belief is the same thing as a belief.

Just because something is grammatically correct, it doesn't mean that it is also logically correct.

Grammar sees this as correct:

"I don't have anything in my hand" is the same as "I have nothing in my hand"

Logically, this is not so as it is actually impossible to have nothing in your hand. How can you possess nothing? Can it be possessed? Does "nothing" exist?


Food for thought.

Butterflyleo:


Abeg stop quoting me with this your pin sized sense of reasoning.

Your brand of stupidity is highly contagious joor.

Lol...how ironic given the stupidity of your statement below:

Butterflyleo:



Marxism birthed atheism and communism.

Butterflyleo:


You are clearly missing your codeine dosage.

Says the tramadol addict.

Butterflyleo:


Ogbeni mumuhumanist even your fellow atheist Johnnydon disagrees with your nonsensical ramble about religion causing more harm than technology. Your brain must be frozen.

For anything there is an underlying factor called HUMANITY. Use that and unfreeze your frozen brain.

Also atheism is a belief. A lack of belief in one thing automatically means a belief in something else. There is absolutely no vacuum in nature. One thing replaces another ALWAYS!

If an atheist says I lack the belief that God exists that simply means I BELIEVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Its simply word juxtaposition.

Marxism birthed atheism and communism. If anyone kills in the name of communism or Marxism that means the person is an atheist and by extension, atheism was behind those killings.

I guess you do not see your foolishness when you applied the same thing when you said RELIGION has caused more harm than technology.

Your.mumu no be here joor.

You seem unhinged.

rekinomtla:


Such as?

Nice to see you acknowledge lies atheist spread. First step out of anti-theism.

Atheists say some of the things you mentioned but not all.

1. Religion has caused more harm than technology. That is true.

2. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief.

3. No one has been killed in the name of atheism.

4. Christianity was against science at times in the past.

rekinomtla:


Yet atheists still lie all the time.

Here's just a couple of lies atheist often use and spread when converting their gullible followers:

- Jesus was based on pagan deities such as Mithra, Horus, etc who also die and resurrected after 3 days, were born of virgins, etc.
- Christianity suppressed science and caused the dark ages.
- Millions of scientists were tortured and excuted by the church because of their science. Galileo supposedly an example of this.
- the catholic church believed and taught that the earth was flat and killed those who said otherwise.
- Spanish inquisition killed millions.
- atheism is not a belief
- No one was ever killed in the name of atheism.
- theists believe God is an invisible man in the sky.
- mythicism is growing in the scholarly world.
- the new testament was written hundreds of years after Jesus.
- and religion has caused more harm than technology seems to be their newest lie.

Seems like they do have a need for lies.

Patewo.

I clap for you. You do know our atheist talking points.

We do say some of the things you listed there and some are actually true

johnydon22:


It will require detailed preparation and organization.. we'll require theists to be part of it too. You cannot debate yourself can you?

It doesn't have to stop on God existing or not, the debate can extend to broad topics subsequently like political, social, philosophical issues.

How far?

What can I do to support the debate?

No be today.

These 2 guys have calmed down sha. They don't argue as much again on the religion section. Maybe the debunking they have been receiving has had an effect on them.

Katier00:
Jesus did not turn stone to bread but if a pastor turns one , I will be interested in begin his business partner, distributing it nation wide

You get sense

rekinomtla:


Not a lie if I believe what I'm saying is true, which is the case. Atheists however know many things they claim about theism is false but continue to make the same false claims anyway, thereby deliberately lying for atheism. (eg that theists believe there's an invisible man in the sky).

Even more lies.

Atheists expose the rubbish that is done in the name of religion. There is no need to lie against theists or religion when we have pastors and imams messing up daily.

oyetpel:


Just have to tease madam.

Una no go church?

Me dey type for church.

I no go church. Pastor asked me to tithe and I had already used the money on naijabet world cup odds. I also bought Nigeria jersey

oyb:


dude, take the stick out of your arse

Is this a gay double entendre?

oyetpel:
Beorn, koice and the rest you don't understand what superhumanist argument is about.

Whites consider blacks to be inferior to them, black actors appearing in mainstream movies and getting big roles was like Hollywood shoving black people in the minds of whites extremists.

Having a black man kissing and romance a white women disgust the white conservatives and extremists.

But these scenarios were great breakthrough for blacks to be something in society.

Lesbianism was shoved down to the throats of staunch Christians and Catholics, something they see as forbidden for women to lay with women. But they of these you people love lesbians, because Hollywood made it seem okay.

Now it's the turn of gays are you people are complaining, isn't that double standard?

People run to American today because of freedom and how they have accommodated diversity from religion to sexual orientation. Even moslems rush there.


If that's not progressiveness i don't know how you people see it.

Very good.

I like this comment

oyetpel:
Aunty Ishilove spermbot can we organize a weekend for movies and orgies?

After making a very sensible comment, you come and spoil it with this?

Is it just me or are there too many ho.rny guys on nairaland?

Sorry for derailing this thread about movies.

I am an activist as well as a movie enthusiast.

Lol

KoiceReloaded:


Hmmm. I didn't set out to convince you but to point out the flaws in your assertions... I think I have done that reasonably well too. I'm tempted to give you a lesson in Japanese history of isolation and primitive ideas, but I don't have the strength or motivation. It wouldn't do any good anyway. You have been utterly consumed by the western propaganda machine.

Did you read about Japanese culture in English (from.a western source) or in Japanese? Food for thought.


Japan and China tweaked their cultures when it was not working for them.

I know what Japan was during world war 2. But they changed.

Is Japan still isolationist? They too accepted parts of western culture and improved their culture.

Western countries too took from Japanese culture and improved themselves. Read about kaizen and other Japanese manufacturing techniques.



And just to make things clear, I do not worship western culture. I am just progressive and liberal in nature. I respect African traditions but I must point out where it goes wrong.

oyb:


Hmmmm. To add to that, in the age of Trump, if you follow what's going on in the US, it may as well be Nigeria, with his supporters cheering or defending everything he does. There is brazen corruption in his administration, attacks on law enforcement agencies, wastage of government funds. Oyibo have been fully demystifyed. I look at Trump and I find the racism of his supporters pitiful, because it highlights their own poor reasoning.

Plus the Japanese are just weird. Gave us the Walkman, fuel efficient cars, hentai and tentacle porn.

America is a result of people not finishing their job when it comes to creating a progressive culture.

European countries are far more developed (look at how they outrank USA on hdi rankings) than America.


America failed in two aspects of progressivism

1. Restricting religion with secularism

2. Restricting excessive capitalism with certain elements of socialism.


E.U. countries aren't religious and they have many socialist policies such as national healthcare, progressive tax, heavily regulated or govt controlled business environment.

Remove the religious die hards and the heartless capitalists and you can never have trump in the White House.

KoiceReloaded:

Don't be like this naa. You think Nigeria is bad, kindly take a trip to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Laos. Just a week in one of these countries and you'd realize that Nigeria the so-called " most brutal and corrupt countries to exist" had it easy.

The flaw in your argumentation stems from the fact that you're equating progress to good and retrogression to bad/evil. You couldn't be more wrong, sir. It's a grey area at it's finest.

A culture can choose a retrogressive lifestyle and in many ways be very enlightened, whilst a culture can be very progressive in their lifestyle and be very lacking in many ways. Japan has a civilized but retrogressive culture compared to western standards but today are one of the world most technological advanced countries. In contrast, Russia has a progressive culture and were the first country to send a man in space, but are one of the most racist countries on earth. Nazi Germany in her prime is unequalled in technological advancements, but were genocidal.

Experience maketh a man... we are what we become. Japan became what they are INSPITE of their culture. Russia are what they are INSPITE of their culture. Nazi Germany became what they were BECAUSE of their culture. Thus, Nigeria can become an first world nation INSPITE or BECAUSE of our "retrogressive" perception of morality. We are not inferior to the western so-called progressive ideas. Don't be brainwashed.

I never equated morality to progress. Let's get that clear.

I made mention of two things - corruption and brutality. A nation cannot be corrupt and claim to be moral. A nation cannot be brutal to human rights and be moral. So if anything, I rate a country with disciplined govt and human rights very highly.

The problem with your argument is that you fail to define "retrogressive"


Japans culture is not retrogressive. You have no idea of what you are talking about. The worst you can say about Japanese culture is that it is nationalistic and it leads to racism. Japanese remain the most polite set of people in the world. Compared to the western world, Japan is okay.

Furthermore, Nazi Germany was never unequalled in technological advancement. They relied on American IBM for record keeping.



Oga, the fact remains that a progressive culture must precede a stable and human rights abiding nation. A progressive culture might not always lead to a more moral country but it must be present.

felixomor:


Hehehebe
U catch am there.

Sorry, your assslicking position has been filled by sciencewatch.

Butterflylion will now be serviced by sciencewatch's silvery tongue.

See what tithes have caused?

johnydon22:


If we go by what has been achieved, politics killed and have destroyed 10 times what religion has through history. It still remains.

johnydon22:


World war 2, Rwanda Massacre, Biafra war, World war 1...

I think just like everything else, religion can be a cause of war but the idea that it is the highest cause of war is nonsensical

The point is that religion has done more harm than technology. All this your bending over to sit on the fence on this issue is disappointing.

I'm truly disappointed in the 'kingebuka-like' statements you made here.



Religion is a far more dangerous tool than technology. There exists no technology or even politics that will cause a 100 people to commit suicide together without facing any imminent threat.

Remember that Christian cult that drank poison and commited suicide? What technology or politics could do that? Hmm

I really think that all the prise you have earned is getting to your head.

felixomor:

Meanwhile

For those who claim religion has destroyed more lives than atheism

When was Afghanistan ever an atheist country?

Or even France?

You keep posting lies and rubbish.


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rekinomtla:


While atheists consider lying to morality ok, explains why they lie so much.

Yet another Christian lie about atheists.

KoiceReloaded:


So because AM isn't shoving gay material down their "paying" customers's throats, it implied they (AM) are backward?? Wow! You've truly and utterly been brainwashed by the western media.

Every commune is governed by a certain perceived sense of morality. In Africa, homosexualism is a sensitive issue and as such, contents with gay materials are not mainstream. It being mainstream in America doesn't make their own perception of morality superior to ours or ours to theirs, nope. In fact, it can be argued that Americans legalizing weeds and gay wedding is very amoral. Bottom line, it all boils down to the sagaciouness of rectitude (morality).

Morality?

I wonder how Nigerians can speak of African morality whilst living in one of the most brutal and corrupt countries to exist.

African culture, like every other culture has a lot of bad sides (as well as the good). The problem is that the African man has yet to understand how to tweak his culture to progress in the modern world.


I won't speak too much on this. Just keep watching African magic since you do not like western culture

KoiceReloaded:
Right. Like I'm a connoisseur of gay tv shows, heh? Never mind. It happened on:

- Californication
- The Shield
- Episodes
- Sons of Anarchy
- True Blood

... to name a few.

Well, I can clearly state that you are wrong because such didn't happen in Californication.

Of all shows to complain about gays, it is now Californication that is set in California.

ScienceWatch:
In TV quiz an atheist contestant was asked, "Why did the atheist CROSS the road.?
The contestant cofidently answered, " The atheist thought there must be a street on the other side, but can never believe it until he has tested his hypothesis."

That is a smart atheist.

KoiceReloaded:


I don't have any problem with homosexuals. For context, I do like a girl-on-girl action, it certainly turns me on.

There used to be a time on American tv when a gay character is well written in, have proper back story and can conjure empathy from the viewers, like the gay characters in Modern Family for example.

Nowadays,  a seemingly straight guy will suddenly turn gay and openingly make out with another guy in the middle of a random scene. How is that not shoving it down our throat? I mean, it's almost like gays are getting shoehorned into tv shows nowadays, because the producers wanted to "tick" the boxes on their gay quota or something?

I see nothing progressive about that, sir...  just good old plain hypocrisy. Don't fall for the western hype machine.

Give me an example of a straight guy just turning gay. Or an examples of a shoe horned gay in a TV series or movie.

Proof

Beorn:


I do not care that gay people are having sex. What someone does in the confines of his room as long it's legal and consensual doesn't make me cringe. But, When I get to see it in every series I'm watching, I naturally get put off by it. Even if they want to represent it, they don't necessarily have make it suddenly rampant in every series like they're instructed to do so.

Are you saying without the recent influx of gay scenes, America wouldn't be more progressive? I don't see how the recent trend is crucial to the progress of America.

Do you think gay people too like watching heterosexual sex scenes?

Please, read about diversity and representation.

armadeo:



Okay.

It follows from this that if I am offended by gay media I should stay away from American shows.

Makes sense actually. Cos I won't see this shit on African magic.

And that is why Africa Magic is backwards

armadeo:


Actually they are?

It started subtly and with women I.e lesbians then the move to gay men.


I remember when a character us Grey's anatomy turned out to be a lesbian I was shocked at it but whatever.

Then other shows started even teen wolf.. I actually stopped teen wolf due to the gay couple in the movie but continued cos of a friend that watched it like mad.

Sons of anarchy ( p.s if you're looking for a hard series to follow you can't go wrong with this one).

Empire the son is gay.

It's too much ...

There were many gay characters before that. Brokeback mountain was in 2005.

Anyway, it is a sign of a progressive country pushing for diversity and representation

Beorn:


I feel that way because it's getting more rampant in most new TV shows. I just think they'd slow it a bit down.

Subjective.

How much is too much? Right now as we speak, thousands, if not millions of gay people are having sex in America. Why should this not be represented in American media?

It is growing because america is becoming more progressive