₦airaland Forum

dalaman:
With religion morality has shown to be relative. With religion all you need is to follow the laws stipulated in your religious book which is different from the laws stated in another religious book. So what exactly are you trying to prove?

dalaman:
Fraud involves lies. If I lie and claim to be what I am not and get caught I will be punished. Fraud involves various degrees of lies, but it is nothing but lies in its entirety.

dalaman:
Fraud is a crime, if I lie and claim to be who I am not and wrongfully get something from people I will be caught and punished accordingly.

Redlyn:
I would say the state is definitely the arbiter to decide on what a particular society accepts as moral or not but I don't think the state is necessarily the moral compass if you believe in a universal moral standard. Just look a the various states and their opposite stances on certain issues. They cant all be equally moral. The fact that the state is constantly shifting its stance on some topical issues shows that more standards are constantly evolving and are determined by the people then adopted by the state.

How do people then come up with these moral standards? With every moral evolution I believe we are getting closer to respecting the golden rule: do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. All major religions express some version of this rule. All other laws are merely commentary.

datalossvictim1:
Hello everyone, Whilst recovering from a hangover I decided to scroll through Facebook and found this interesting piece by Chukwuka Igbomor.


-Thanks for this great documentary Nigeria used to be a great nation with its different regions until the Europeans came and robbed us naked they used RELIGION to kill our spirituality by giving us a fasle white god called jesus and they used politics to posses our teritory, and today Nigeria is like a nonetity of a nation.

While they use bad leaders who are sellouts and traitors to steal our resources and put us in darkness so that we will forever be dependent on them and their false teachings and ideologies... we Africans are so used to folding our hands and looking while our heads are beign cut off. most of us are content with foolishness, a lot of weak and ignorant minds who prefer to live in slavery than to die for freedom, we need brave hearts to stand up against foolishness and speak against this evil that is beign perpetuated in our own soil. We need to curb out this mentality of suffer suffer for world to enjoy for imaginery heaven. Our people accept suffering on earth thinking they will enjoy in heaven. Also we need to curb out this turn the other cheek mentality. Which Europeans used to rob us naked. We need to push out the evil African leaders who are in position of power only to sell us out to foreigners for their own selfish individual gains.

It can only be done by Us Africans standing up for the truth and against bad leadership and oppression. Education is the key to unlocking the doors to greatness like we once was the greatest nation on the planet now we are beign reduced to foolish people who sit and look while everything around us is in disarray. Our people have lost the ability to think critically for when u can believe snake spoke to eve and gave her apple to eat and give adam, once you can believe this fable as truth u can never be able to think critically and reasonably. They use such stories to see how gullible we can be so when they do their evil deeds we cant even reason to see its wrong.

When we are still calling Abraham, isaac and jacob our ancestors how can we have sense.
The problem with the African people who refuse to see reality of their situation cos their brains have been conditioned to accept suffering as normal, evil as normal and thus the Evil men of the world are having a laugh feeding on the ignorance of our people.-

ronald4lif:
Why is sex before marriage bad?. Please your reason should be deducible and bereft of religious reference as it would be an insult to logic and the gazillion of unreligious people to the world if your reason(s) are religion based.

plaetton:
Individuals within a society aggregate their collective dos and don'ts to a head, leader or select group to hold, guard and execute on their behalf and in Trust.
In return for protection and other benefits that come from membership of a collective, individual passions and prejudices may be sacrificed for the overall consensus of the collective.
This is how societal groups evolved.

For example, rather You and your neighbors hunting each other for food, You decide to Join with your neighbors to hunt the people on the side of the hill.
Here, You have now formed a social taboo against hunting your neighbors for food.

plaetton:
Often what promotes, wellbeing, social harmony, social equity and social justice,.. , depending on such factors as the history, culture, religion and political make up of the particular society.

plaetton:
The things that are [b]deemed beneficial [/b]to the society.
And since society is superdynamic, laws and traditions seem to follow the growth, maturity and complexity of society.

theAtheist101:
Everyone with his own problem. Abuse is the only thing you be worried about. And what is god's problem with atheists? Let god the last question himself. Abuse of the pleasures of life is the only thing everyone should worry about, the rest is intangible.

What harm as atheism done that your religion has not surpassed in ten folds? The motto of religions: sin, and come and beg for forgiveness. How would this help the society?

finofaya:
We attempt to reconcile our differences and reach a consensus, failing which we either withhold judgment or use each of our standards to judge.

finofaya:
Like how do we decide if an act is good or bad? Or is it how do we decide which way of determining good and bad is the best?

theAtheist101:
Yes now, if and only if, you don't want people to take you seriously and hope nature doesn't pluck you out of the world due to your excess.

finofaya:
You mean ethical approach? No.

theAtheist101:
Definitely! In as much as your morality considers the state laws. If not, you are on your own!

finofaya:
I'm finding it hard to understand your question.

theAtheist101:
Where in my post did I justify the law?

Yes, each state decides their laws and that is the reason their is no absolute morality. But, there are some laws that are common to all states.

aaronson:
Morality is innate nobody taught you not to kill your mother,somehow you knew if you do it you would miss her affection,love and care.

Human has a natural instinct feeling of empathy and so when you anyway conceive a bad thought towards another person,something in you would trigger your subconsciousness to let you know this is bad and you get emphatic so you don't need religion to know good and bad.

Speaking about rule and law of the society,this is the norms,values and perceived pattern of operation in a society and when you deviate from that pattern of operation then you become deviant/outlaw. No religion is needed in this phenomenon its just rational human condition to a way of life for peaceful co-existence,Religion on the other hand brings about division.

finofaya:
Religion applies what is known as deontological ethics, particularly the divine command approach. The divine command approach, as you have correctly guessed, views good behaviour as doing whatever the Divine commands.

The divine command approach is one out of a number of approaches under deontological ethics. Deontological ethics considers good to be the doing of one's duties and respecting the rights of others. Deontological ethics forms much of the basis of our human rights laws.

In addition to deontology, there is also consequentialism and virtue ethics, both of which consist of many approaches. As a whole, consequentialism judges the morality of an act from its consequences while virtue ethics judges the morality of an act from the character of the actor.

So, in the absence of religion, or the divine command approach, we can have recourse to all of the other approaches under deontology, consequentialism and virtue ethics.

finofaya:
Religion applies what is known as deontological ethics, particularly the divine command approach. The divine command approach, as you have correctly guessed, views good behaviour as doing whatever the Divine commands.

The divine command approach is one out of a number of approaches under deontological ethics. Deontological ethics considers good to be the doing of one's duties and respecting the rights of others. Deontological ethics forms much of the basis of our human rights laws.

In addition to deontology, there is also consequentialism and virtue ethics, both of which consist of many approaches. As a whole, consequentialism judges the morality of an act from its consequences while virtue ethics judges the morality of an act from the character of the actor.

And both ethics are subjective based on the society in question?

So, in the absence of religion, or the divine command approach, we can have recourse to all of the other approaches under deontology, consequentialism and virtue ethics.

theAtheist101:
See I hate discrimination against people, so I oppose the law against gays, but who am I when the majority want something else? With time, Nigerians would come to respect gays since they are just humans like us and they have the right to express their sexuality (my opinion, which opposes that of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, so it is useless.)

jayriginal:
That's the difference between you and lower animals. You can think and feel and you can quickly come to the conclusion that your love of murder is harmful to society.

Control over your base instincts is what makes you human.

dalaman:
Who else but human society ?

theAtheist101:
The constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria! Please get caught while violating it, and prove me wrong!

dalaman:
Because as a human being you can put yourself in the hungry man shoes and feel his pains. Once you do that then you can understand the need to help the person who is hungry.

dalaman:
Moral principles and codes of.conduct are mostly established and agreed upon through concensus and the principles evolve. Morality is not set in stone. When slavery was consider as a good thing your God was there championing it. He was even giving people injunctions on how to sell their daughters into slavery.