₦airaland Forum

dalaman:
What is absolute morality? Absolute morality isn't good for any society to flourish.

Hence, everyone can chose what is right or wrong? E.g I can decide to sleep with the family of 6 as long as they are all consenting, right?

kolajamesjnr:
That wil mak u a psychopath hence you need help

Says who, the law?

johnydon22:
Perhaps you didn't read where i defined secular definition of morality, cus if you did you wouldn't have asked this question... Let me define it again.

Am sure this definition is enough to show you actions that falls within the moral scale and so have answered your question on how it is meausred.

Let me give you an example in case you did not get it.
e.g: You gave a meal to a hungry man......... Judging from the definition of morality above, that your action DECREASE the suffering of that individual. . .So you see? it falls on the scope of a moral action.

Why should I give my food to the hungry man since I worked to make my own living, how is it morally right to share what I earned with another person, isn't that violating my own right to what I earned? and who is the judge and the maker of this moral actions?

menesheh:
We need objectivity in shaping and judging behavioural impulses, not subjectivity through appears to emotion, personal opinion, holy book, etc. Absolute morality is subjective of which people of different faiths are pretty zealous to enforce or subject us to. I judge my behavior through the consequences of the outcome and a long built empathy in human evolutionary processes.

Then morality is relative then, so,like you did, I can also chose what I consider right or wrong?

kolajamesjnr:

What if I love killing, how is killing wrong since I am just doing what I honestly love doing?

menesheh:
You don't need any religion or deity to determine whether human laws cum behavior are good or bad.

What do we need to judge a behaviour, do you as atheist believe in absolute morality as a compass for judging behaviours?

johnydon22:
[b]You are not serious right? So you are meaning to tell us you have no independent morals except what your religion gives you?
Tell me, do you need to consult the bible, quran or any other religious book before you know murder is wrong?
If you don't then how come you can't differentiate between sociatal morality and religious morality.
Secular states and country have no business with religious morals when enacting laws, thats why you see legalization of homosexuality even when your religion is against it, Nobody cares what religion thinks.
Morality is not Islamic neither is it christian or hindu. Morality is human, it belongs to no ism. and it is not dependent on any creed, book or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.
Secular definition of Morality is: Actions that decreases human suffering and/or betters societal well being, freedom, equality and justice. . .
Am sure judging from this you can simply discern how moral actions are determined and not what religion says.[/b]

What do you mean by societal morality, how is measured and how can we judge it?

There cant really be societies without laws, the laws give face to a society. The problem however is that each societies/countries have their own laws which may not be in tandem with others, the issue is how do we determine which laws/behaviors are good, bad and human outside religion?

I will like to get opinions of Atheists on this

Update

From my engagement so far, it is apparent atheists have no standard measure for moral good or bad and the nearest to a measure is the law of the land which some said should be the arbiter of what is morally wrong or right.

If one is to accept this position, how then should we judge areas not covered in the law books e.g, there is no law saying lying is wrong therefore under atheism, lying cant be said to be good or bad.

If atheists believe that the law of the land should be the moral arbiter are they then alluding to absolute morality since the law doesnt bend to personal desires?. how can they relate moral relativism to the law of the land which is absolute

I will like to get more opinions from atheists.

He needs to go prostrating to his sister and beg her to stop taking the money

PDP will not like this

In Nigeria, anyone who attends Church once a year is given the title of a Pastor by the news media

And how do you know the kids are even yours?

I hope you all aread the part that says the story is a fable.

You can still be called by the Bank

With the loot amassed, it would be easy to arrange these crowd na

Just tell them you attend Church atleast once a year and Nigerian Journalists will report you are a Pastor.

Great

dovelike:
Not really prison. The brutality of the police men.

My exact thinking, I wont be surprised if people confess to crimes they know nothing about

There is something about Nigerian prisons that makes people confess to the most hideous crimes

He should not celebrate his employment just yet, Nigeria is a bad employer

Likewise, once upon a time, this also reigned, nothing in life is permanent

Fulfilment isn't material determined

She is not a violent adultress, she is only a violent woman

No smoke without a fire

Lukay99:
Did you even read the whole article? It says this terrorist hide under religion why bring the Quran into this when the Quran is clearly against every act of terrorism I actually read the Quran on a daily basis for many many years now and I as a person still don't believe in any act of terrorism and I'm not getting madder so you are wrong based on your above statement

Were you a little mad before reading it?, read my statement again

treese:
You all have done well. And you av succeeded in ending the marriage. God bless you all.

Was there one?
The blame lies with people giving their honest opinions about your thoughtless actions, right?

treese:
Hello you all. I am his wife.but I am indeed glad he came here to pour his heart out. He doesn't like communicating with me that much, once he is upset u dont wanna be around me. You will pity me, he treats me unfair, he removes his ring at will and says he had a bad day and so it his wedding ring that caused it. You can take a look tru my profile. You would see just a little of my complaints. But now i get where the problem is. Funny enough I didn't know he had this topic here already cos I am not much of a nairaland person so if he didn't make front topic I won't have seen it. And it was even God that drew my attention here cos even front topic I don't read that much. Very very glad I did. Now o am not a cheating wife and would never ever till I die cheat. I would rather walk away. You see d gentle man who put this topic down, he doesn't talk much to me. If anything goes wrong with us, I could be talking for 3mins he will just increase the volume of his phone and start playing music. He can agree how any times in a day I ask him why he hates me so much. Cos he acts as such. Let me analyse the instances that made him think am cheating. My EX who was the first man I probably ever loved. Myself and my husband has had plenty issues on exes his exes sef just disappeared completely like a year back. My ex probably called me and we had a very clean and open convo. I tot to myself this is wrong jor. So I told him, my ex called me and he has always bin calling which is true. But very clean convo. He has Like 3kids now and is happily married. The day i told my hubby my ex called me. He was just there like whatever, and I rem telling him that day you never get jealous of me. U should even ask me questions or something. If I keep talking without bin asked questions then something is wrong with me. God knows I felt hurt that he was neutral. And that night my husband decide to have phone intimacy with an old female friend to get back at me. I rem that Sunday Wen I saw it. I cried. I felt hurt d moment he said that's for Kipling in touch with ur ex. And i asked him why he didnt allow us talk about it immediately, sometimes thats all we need just talk to us and show u care, till date i always feel my husvand is t worrird ablut losing me, instead he pays me back. And i dont think it should that way, sometimes communicatikn is all u need and u would just find d truth in d detail. I cang coynt how many incriminatikng stiffs i have fpynd on his phone, me i cant kip quiet for too long i tell him sharp sharp and sometimes it isnt what i think, but if i decide to keep.quiet and pay him back i would only be hurting us more, so back to my ex, Then we went out, we spoke about it and it all got cleared, but I guess it didn't. Secondly he spoke about me removing my ring. Now this is me also.when I find out hubby always removes his ring often and blame it on bad days I join him. Right now none of us Is wearing a rjng; he as removed it again and thrown it away claiming another bad day and I joined in cos I don't undestand that ish again. Now the third case of cheating. He said o saved my ex's number yeah that's true and that becos I didn't want my husband to think otherwise cos I actually think he knows the guys number or have it saved somewhere. This guy is helping my lil brother gt a job with an oil firm. He is only helping.
When my husband saw this I felt so bad so so bad and I wish I had discussed it with him. But I tot he would pay me back painfully again so I decide to keep it away from him. The third blame is me cooking for a guy on the estate. The guy is a friend I met quiet alright. But God sees my heart I cooked it out of helping. His wife is overseas and d guy claimed to be broke, then also there was fuel scarcity he said he couldn't get fuel to buy. So he wanted me to help him with food. That faithful day, my husband's friend who also lives on the estate was home, my nanny and my two kids, so I asked him to give his opinion,and he said why not that the guy is an easy going person on the estate and for him to ask for food he must be In a bad state. We had some left over rice at home and I told hy nanny to go and give him. When my hubby came back that day I Had to find a way to explain to him. I wasnt too sure of his response, but to a certain extent d man i know and the way he has bin treating me I tot he will say no big deal. But I got otherwise instantly I knew I had messed up, but how to fix it became a problem. He has called my dad on this matter. That old man is another man I fear the most after God. Tho I was scared of wat he will do to me. But I was rather glad. Cos I wanted to be free and be trusted again. The matter on ground is something that I know can ruin my home but now that he as spoken I believe and hope he learns to trust me. Now I understand d reason for the mean treatments. He doesn't like visiting marriage counselors, so smtimes we end our matters and issues arguing and no resolution. Am saying it world wide now. I am not cheating on my husband. I love him than anything else in the world. Appreciate him and would always honour him. His changes and behaviour towards me recently sort of got me changing to, but now I see where it's all coming from. God bless u nairaland at least he spoke here. But seriously, dear Nairalander's you can't give concluding opinions on a journey of 3years based on 650 words. U don't av any idea wat we both av bin Tru to just conclude that he divorces a woman u know nothing about based on the short story u heard. I am a woman who would do anything g to keep her home. I took steps that I had no clue I would regret. Now he doesn't trust me no one knows how that feels. Even when I go out for business he picks d lie from d truth and this hasn't bin making me go what I deserve. I hope and pray God fixes this for me.

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Your story is full of holes but that isn't the matter, I think you are a cheat and these excuses of yours are second thoughts. Your EX is looking for job for your younger brother (why?) and how does that turn your EX to your counselor? Why do you turn to him whenever there are issues between you and your husband? and when your husband proved to you your neighbor has other motives, why were you keeping him, how did your family issues become neighborhood consumption, you knew what you were doing, you were going to start sleeping with him if you havent, you have got no iota of respect for your husband,why would you rather save his line with a false name than dropping your EX?, you think it is better to lie to your husband than lose contact to your EX?, so, because he was your first love, you feel happy because he still desires you, right?, sorry madam, you are a cheat.

cyprus000:
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Shut D fvvck up,woman.

In your mind,you have given a matured Input,but you just spew dumb shiit

This is one of the snitcch we are talking about.
I don't blame your type tho.I blame the man who condoled such insolence.

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OP,you fvvcked up, the day you found out that she went to his house to cook and the snitch even kept it away from you.
You would have sent her parking straight away,but instead you continued to be a "sissy" and you think that woman will ever value or respect you,when you are all acting sissy.
Take charge of your home,creat strict rules from now on and when she breaks any.
You either send her to her parent's house for coaching on morals and respect or you send her parking for good.
Get a nanny to take care of your kids,untile you are ready to bring in a loyal woman.
The thing that kills a man faster is a snitchy woman.
You won't know this untile you are old and less active in piloting the affaire's of your home.

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I am trying my possible best not to hit on you,for disgracing manhood.
I expect you step up your game and stop being a "sissy"
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Trust me, this matter has gone beyond rules, she will only make sure he never finds another clue, I tell you, once a married woman conclude to go that way and she left her husband side after the night sleep, go and look another man's eyes in the day, sleep on his bed and open her legs, she will not stop it, she will only learn to be better at disguise and when they become better at disguise, they become far more dangerous.

whirlwind7:
Your wife is not satisfied with what you have to offer her.

She definitely is on the look out for more excitement outside.
whether or not she has physically cheated, one can't say. But she is certainly cheating on you emotionally.

It's a dicey situation, because she is gonna take her game a step further.
Are you ready for such mind games? Are you up to it? Do you have what it takes to clip her wings?

Marriage is never easy, but having a spouse who's hell bent on ruining you emotionally is a NO NO! All her excuses sound so childish and hollow, it's a wonder you are still trying to decipher what she is up to. I feel for you, brother. It's a really painful place you are in right now.

@Freelance777, listen to the mature response from this poster.

My addition: Your marriage is over, believe me and I write this with all sense of decorum. She has decided to cheat and if she hasnt already, she will. It takes married women a longer time to consider adultery, the adultery is only consummated on the first day of the physical act, she will be scared after it but once she is sure she can do it without being caught, she becomes addicted. She has already made up her mind to do it, she will do it and not repent about it.

Why is the short man marginalizing the almanjiris?