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Syncan: I have searched through all you posted, and not even one version said "Only scripture is useful...

Really?, but you saw for 'some of the doctrines, teachings there?'.

Jesus said I am the way, truth and life but you said Jesus didnt say I am the only way, the only truth and the only life, abi?

Syncan: You should believe there is more because "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen" (Jn21:25).


"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.(2Thess2:15)

Jumping from Gospel and looking for backup in Epistles without a line of reference is a terrible way of interpreting the Bible. The account of Jesus life is adequately represented in the Gospel and whatever is not written there is not part of the scripture.

The Epistle written to Thessalonians is different from Corinthians and so others, all making and addressing different points. They all represented all Paul's teaching which he received from Jesus Christ. If it is verbal instruction and not written, it is not part of the scriptures.

Syncan: The bolded is Your Opinion only, not what it said. There is a difference between "could" and "should"

To make it easy on you, i will handle your points one at a time. These is 7 translations of that same verse and you should conclude if that leaves room for other materials for doctrine

New International Version
All Scripture is God-breathed [/b]and [b]is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

New Living Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

English Standard Version
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

New American Standard Bible
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

King James Bible
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is [/b]profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
[b]All Scripture is inspired by God [/b]and [b]is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,

International Standard Version
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

scriptures plural of scrip·ture (Noun)
Noun

The sacred writings of Christianity contained in the Bible
The sacred writings of another religion. (wikipedia)

To be part of scriptures
1.It has to be inspired of God
2.It has to be written

Who is the consultant who wrote this piece

Syncan: 1. That post says that everything in the bible is good for doctrine, correction, etc

Yes and much more, it says the bible is for doctrine, correction. Meaning when talking of doctrine the bible should be used

Syncan: 2. That post did not say that nothing else is good for doctrine, correction etc.

Exactly, he didnt mention any thing else apart from the bible, so why should we believe there is more?. You can read more in the following places

2 Timothy 4
King James Version (KJV)
4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. (that was the same doctrine he mentioned in 3:16 which should be from the scriptures, why looking for more)

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Syncan: 3. That post says that 2thess2:15 is good for doctrine, correction etc..

Which post?

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Those traditions has already been taught

Syncan: 4. I asked why bible? and you are answering with what the bible say.

You have answer that question yourself, the Bible is the inspired word of God.

Syncan: Why?

(I love your move, i was expecting it)

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Syncan: It is you who claimed that all you practice is written in the bible.

I said all practice should be from the Bible

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]I don hear nah....[/quote]James 1:22
New American Standard Bible
But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

Syncan: Let him continue making claims he cannot prove. Thanks in advance anyway for the book details.

Whereas you can prove from the bible, how Mary got married to both Holy Spirit and Joseph, how he remain a virgin for life (afterall Jesus dropped from her mouth), how Joseph was just a helper, how Jesus brothers were is cousin

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]I was just answering your question....but as it is, you still remain unteachable. I have already made my points earlier.....whether you believe it or not, Catholic church still remains and its doctrines and teachings do not change...so, bro, wanna discuss something more beneficial with my people, ok?[/quote]Am i not one of your people or have i been excommunicated?

Every doctrine not found in the Bible is of satan and so is any dogma

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]its a true life story about a man who was visited by angels......and brought messages from God concerning many happenings in this world. Those messages were actually lifted from the bible and explained thouroughly. That was where I came to know that God knew everything that was going to happen even before he created the world...its a nice one...will love more people to read it.[/quote]Sounds interesting, if all he said are in the Bible then i must get the book. The Bible is the inspired words of God and should be our basis for any teaching or doctrine. A Christian literature must have her root in the bible lest it be of demons

Syncan: Seems you've forgotten the title of the thread,this is my home zone.You are the stranger, so have a nice journey back.

Your opinion right?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]sex comes natural but not all couples have sex after marriage....period.[/quote] hahaha Mariaaa!, even you must agree this point is not a serious one. Even if i agree with this assertion, how is this relevant to our discuss? or let me use my head (like you advised earlier). Some couples are asexual and do not have intimacy even after marriage and an example is Mary and Joseph, right?

Syncan: Then I stay with what I do, you stay with not knowing why I do what I do.

Thanks for coming sir

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]@Superior,
i am trying to help you understand and you do not want to be patient to understand?
Well, thank God you said, after marriage comes sex or as expected....so, you dont know if it was consunmated or not.[/quote]Maria, when a couple gets married, sex comes natural. If you want to know if the guests go into the bedroom with them, i will answer no (atleast that is abnormal). What is the point you are trying to make?

Syncan: I read it and my response is fair enough. If you want to know, then be humble and follow my teaching method.

Then this my response to your question too

Syncan: ^^^ I am counting, when its enough you'll get an answer.

Syncan: Your response does not hold, you asked a question about what i do, so I am the teacher and you are the learner, I should determine how to guide you through it. I want to start from the beginning. If someone ask me to prove with the book of Judaism one thing or the other, why should I be bound to do that?

Did you read my response above atol especially that i gave nnatom??, now read it and get back to me with the deal

You cant make a jest of a question i asked, urging me to keep repeating it and expect me to answer your question just like that, that is not fairness, is it?

Syncan: I asked you for clarification on why you believe in the bible as the sole authority, you did not attempt an answer, yet you want to use it as the basis of judging our practices.

Now even the bible does not claim what you attach to it, These are from the bible.

"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen". (Jn21:25)

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle". (2Thess2:15)

I am still waiting for the answer to my question.

I was typing when you posted this, look at the response i gave up there, sign the deal and lets look at the Bible together, ok?

Syncan: Isnt it time you now answer my question? Why do you take the bible as your authentic Gods word alone. Why not the Jewish Tanakh or the quran?

Why should I when you failed to respond to mine?. Instead of responding to my question, you were urging me to keep repeating it. Now i have a ground not to respond to you question, dont I?.

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]oh really? Lets take today's marriage for example...do you actually witness the consunmation of the marriage?[/quote]Maria, what is your point?. After marriage is sex (atleast that is what is expected), are guests expected to go inside the bedroom with the couple? please ask a serious question and dont derail our wonder discussion

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]ah ah, why nah? I want to really understand this dude.[/quote]Am i that oblivious

daontop: @Superior1, B4 goin further in ur quest to ridicule catholics, Can u giv an ans to this simple question... if not, anybdy arguing wit u get enof tym.... The lord be with you...

How do you define ridicule, common bro, i asked you questions on doctrine and asked for a response rooted in the Bible, does that constitute ridicule in your opinion?? or can you show me where i have ridiculed your faith

nnatom: and he should show us where it was written in d bible.

You can bet that his question is no brainer and i would gladly answer it like i promised earlier but he didn't respond to mine. Let us make a deal, i will answer that question if he promised to answer mine straight forward without playing games in the future, ok?

damerry: A thousand thanks bro. Dat dude doesn't want to learn, lets focus our post on learning new things about our faith, no more room for argument, he dat wants to learn is welcome, d write-up and counter posts has said much about BVM. all to Jesus through Mary our mother. Peace

Says who, those are your opinions, right?

Sal C: I must commend your effort so far. But the truth is they don't know and don't want to know therefore; trying to teach them maybe a waste of time but all you can do is keep on with your good work here not because of them but because of our fellow Catholic who will benefit from it.

Once again, WELDONE

hummm..., i dont agree with this, it is our individual responsibility as Christians to teach the word and explain it. Christ asked us to go into the world, teaching and making discipleship

Hello Friends,there has been many activities here and that is good for us.

Acts 17:11
New International Version (NIV)
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Even Paul commended the Berean Jews for their diligence in checking what that they are being thought if they were true. So, if i ask you for clarification on your doctrine, you should commend me and then respond accordingly. When taught by your priest, you should go home and confirm how true is message were.

bizmahn: @ all, I want to also councel that we all take time to read past revivals & divine visitations in nations & churches in the past e.g the indonesian revival,the full gospel revival,the evan roberts revival,the book 'God's generals' etc.You'll discover certain peculiarities in the workings of God in each of those visitations.
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Due to limited understanding of the things of God in those periods,you discover God at times uses methods that you can't call SIN to still visit those people."I am a chosen" is not literarily found in the bible but I can't ultimately call it SIN.There are things christ called the "weightier matters" in the bible.These are things that have to do with righteousness or outright wilful sin againt God.
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I will also remind you all that no believer repented with perfect knowledge of the things of God from day one including we all on this forum.Example is Alex that is fund of "everybody forgive me" in diverse thread on this forum (lol) because he made mistakes & he's still learning like we all even though we may be up to 20 or 30 years in christ plus all the academic exposure.
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What then do you expect when people are new in christ,can hardly read the english bible & rely solely on the little they grasp & yet are making better effort at living right within & without than so many that have been there? Yes they have mistakes but sincerely they are making efforts too.We can't identify their errors at the total neglect of their efforts.

Another good argument but then the onus lies on the Pastor of the ministry to do the needful and put internal mechanism in place to correct any misapplication of his teaching.

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]does that make a marriage legal?[/quote]It is a seal on the marriage.

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]My point is this, they were both Chosen to bring Jesus to his world...they were chosen as his earthly parents and in that effect they still have to follow the jewish culture to make their marriage legal as instructed.....thats all.[/quote]So you mean the marriage was consummated in sex?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]good good.
So, do you really think that doesnt apply to Joseph and Mary?[/quote]You should re-read what you posted that prompted me to request for biblical reference.

You said before the forming of the world (Jeh 1:5 talks of before formation in the belly) but that is not the point.
Joseph is more than helper, He was married and had kids with Mary. Making him an ordinary helper is unbiblical.

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]he did? Are you sure?
Yes sure, physically, he has to do that because he was instructed to do that. Look, let me tell you, when God wants to do his job, he doesnt leave loose threads.
Now listen, Jesus came to this world as a human, so, what were you expecting, that his earthly parents who get married as required by their culture? Of cus they will, but that is just for the physical eye....the spiritual things still goes on. If he must come as a human, then such must happen. Use your head, man.[/quote]I am trying to use my head ma, help me please.

Ok, you mean Jesus parents are having physical sex or something?. Can you explain more your point here?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]lol, now, I understand the bone of ccontention.
Ok, Jeremiah 1:5.......in your own understanding, can you explain it to me?[/quote]Jeh 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.

In summary,It is talking about God's calling on a life which pre-dates even when the foetus of that individual was formed in the belly, God already has a purpose for such life.

damerry: No need, when next you find yourself in rome ask of Him, he's a free man, and don't forget to go there with an Axe, because if u're not docile enough he would have to open your head and pour in the doctrines. Peace, i'm out

This got me laughing real hard

damerry: It's Devine selection, nawa o. Well i'll not be suprised if you ask me which verse of the bible talks about Divine selection/destiny

I know what destiny is all about. What I don't understand is Joseph being just a helper?, Joseph was more than that, he married mary in line with Jewish tradition and had kids with her.

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]you meant where it is written word to word, right?[/quote]If possible, Yes!

damerry: Thank you sister, this post is just spot-on. I was wandering where my fellow catholics were, living me alone to face these people who do not believe and do not want to believe, answering their questions paves way for more questions @ a point, i felt like giving them the pope's adress and phone number, anyway i thank God for dis post.

Haa damerry, I will be glad to have the pope's contact o, I frequent Rome and do not mind having a chat at the Vatican one of these days with the pope.