Supper's Posts
Nairaland Forum › Supper's Profile › Supper's Posts
axum:Again, it's a 2012 estimate. Since then in 2013 there have been 2,691 in south central Somalia, 980 in Somaliland and 278 in Puntland. Not a small figure by any means. That's 3949 all together. So, lets put these numbers into context using Ghana as an example. Out of a population 26 million there were 7,812 new infections in Ghana in 2013. http://www.ghanet.net/ Out of a population of 10 million there were 3949 new hiv infections in Somalia in 2013. http://amisom-au.org/2014/12/hiv-infections-on-the-rise-in-somalia/ Lets do the math to come up with an hiv infection rate per 100,000 shall we. 7812/26,000,000 = .0003 x 100 = [size=16pt].03 percent of the population of Ghana was newly infected by hiv.[/size] 3949/10,000,000 = .0004 x 100 = [size=16pt].04 percent of the population of Somalia was newly infected by hiv.[/size] Conclusion: As of 2013 Somalia has a higher hiv infection rate than Ghana. I just took the time to comprehensively brake down the stats for you. Feel free to thank me later. |
axum:Care to explain then why, even when using outdated statistics, that Djibouti has an adult HIV prevalence rate of %2.5, which is more than the vast majority of West African countries(as defined by the UN geoscheme regions map). Could it be because health care amenities are more available there than in Somalia proper, thus more people are able to get tested? http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=so&v=32 |
axum:At the latest that map reflects a 2011 estimate in which 0.7 of the population in Somalia was hiv positive, which is an obsolete figure to say the least, seeing as in In 2013, 2,691 new cases were reported in south central Somalia alone, while 980 was reported in Somaliland and 278 in Puntland. Also, keep in mind that until recently, due to taboos, the vast majority of the population either don't have the opportunity to receive test or wont do to stigmas. And again, the rest of Africa overall has seen a dip in the number of new hiv infections unlike Somalia. |
axum:I understand how you feel, axum. The rise in infections is being blamed on ignorance, cultural barriers and fear of stigmatization which hampers many people from finding out their HIV status. In Somalia, HIV and Aids is still considered a taboo subject as is directly associated with promiscuity in a where country 99 percent of its population profess Islam. Health workers dealing with HIV & AIDS depend largely on those living with HIV to help them break these barriers.
|
barwaaqo:Funny you bring that up, because according the the most recent Survey of Business Owners census, African-American owned businesses have seen a larger increase in America than any other group- Triple the National rate. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/business_ownership/cb11-24.html So, it's not perfect. But, there's noticeable improvement. Would you say the same for Somalis? |
axum:Actually I did look at the comments and apparently there are a lot of Ethiopians who object to those Somalis that are trying to pin her acts on them. Ex. Fasil Joshua - fucking dirty Muslim SOmali terrorist. She is Somali. your women are hookers all over the world. I'm inclined to believe him, seeing as she did identify herself as being somali and you have yet to give a valid reason as to why a non-somali ethiopian would misrepresent their self as somali. And while I appreciate your attempt at providing a cheeky retort in the form of bring up the porn website ghettogaggers, I must inform you that to be involved in the American porn industry as opposed to street level prostitution/sex slavery/human trafficking especially in third world countries it is simply not a sound comparison. See the the porn industry in America is regulated at a federal level to make sure those participating are giving their full consent to be apart of it and not under illegal coercion by going through what's known at the miller test, and at the state level with stringent rules and protocols to assure that a healthy and safe environment is maintained, ie being subjected to periodic testing for STDs/STI, as well as those working in it being protected under the same Employee Protection laws that guarantee pay, workers compensation, benefits that every other worker in the US. While certainly not flattering, it is a relatively stable industry to work in. Cases of injury and/or contraction of disease is very low. Now on the other hand black markets like human sex trafficking, street level prostitution, and sex slavery are without a doubt living nightmares for the people involved in them, and that can be compounded twice for those that are unfortunate enough find themselves in third world countries, with little resources for policing this kind of stuff, being subject to it. Women and underage girls treated as commodities are often sold off many times to different male prostitute brokers in their life time, often times by their own family members for money. Those that refuse to comply with the wishes of the their brokers no matter how disgusting or degrading are often subject to violent beatings, forced drugging, and rape. Coupled with the fact that their owners/brokers could careless about their health outside of it making them more money, and spending resources on the health of a sex slave isn't worth the investment, and there aren't any kind of heath regulations in this kind of black market. The disease rate of these women as a result tend to be very high. Which is one of the reasons that former soviet eastern europe has one of the highest hiv rates in the world. These women aren't paid and are forced to live under what ever squalor conditions their owners/brokers care to provide for them. Their movement is very restricted and monitored. They basically have no freedom. If you want more information on the horrors of human sex trafficking/prostitution/slavery then please view this among other first hand documentaries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pluuKaLFKOk In conclusion, I assure you that an African-American women involved in ghetto gaggers is in a much better position than a Somali woman or girl in the streets of Tripoli, nairobi, Yemen, or even her own home country of Somalia being sexploited by random men against her will and would much rather be on ghettogaggers herself. This is reflected in the aids/hiv rate which has recently exploded in Somalia. http://amisom-au.org/2014/12/hiv-infections-on-the-rise-in-somalia/ Which is in contrast for the rest of Africa that has seen a declining hiv rate. http://www.news.va/en/news/hivaids-decrease-in-africa Hiv rates have also fallen in recent years among AA women. http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2012/12/19/rate-of-new-hiv-infections-drops-for-first-time-among-black-women-cdc Talking about this stuff actually is making me feel bad for the women of Somalia. I really do hope things improve for them in the future. |
axum:This of course begs the question as to what a non-Somali Ethiopian prostitute would have to gain by deliberately misrepresenting herself as Somali as if it would make difference to two random white american dudes that probably couldn't make the discernment if it slapped them in the face, anyway. Or do the Johns in L.A. prefer Somali tarts as opposed to Ethiopian ones? lol And since when is there a dichotomy being Ethiopian and Somali. One can be both at the same time, and many are. Ethiopia has a large population of people who identify as ethnically Somali and are bilingual in Af-Somali and as well as Amharic. Who's to say she can't be a Somali from Ethiopia living in LA around her fellow Ethiopians? |
barwaaqo:lol Men often pride ourselves on our pragmatism and say women think with their emotions, which is true in most cases expect when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex. Women are the true hustlers/players of that game who know how to get what they want with us, and we men are the pawns on the chess boards who are, in a sense, forced to go right along with it. barwaaqo:Given that the rules of the forum are abided by, you are entitled to express anything you want about anybody or any group/ethnicity/race you want no matter how offensive or uncomfortable it makes people feel. Hell, your fellow country-man axum has made a small-time name for himself out of doing just than on various forums including this one. barwaaqo:Really, my intentions were never to come off with bias holier than thou rhetoric. If I wanted to do that I could've just juxtaposed all of the very best accomplishments and pockets of the apex of African-American society with the very worst of the worst of the Somali people, in order to paint a bias picture. But, I didn't, instead I was talking about a specific phenomenon that *some * somalis would like to deny exist, and didn't mention the positives or vices in the my people's community at all. barwaaqo:Well, I like you believe that the condition and behaviors exhibited by segments within the AA community largely come down to socio-economic conditioning and dependency on accommodations that tether us to positions of weakness in a social sense ie lack of clout, organic ascension, and vertical integration of skills, knowledge, & money within the community. From these core issues come a communal sense of insecurity, frustration, and poor-emotional intelligence which leads to the various behaviors among certain AAs that you're probably referring. I see in the future more AAs coming to recognize these issues and take the proper steps to reverse them, but we didn't get in this position over night and we damn sure wont get out of it over night. |
barwaaqo:Such is the case with many cultures that display combinations of traits that include isolationism and conservatism- Have you seen what happens to women in pakistani, arab(especially khaleejis), kurdish and afghan communities when they date people outside of their cultures or that their families don't approve of?.........*shivers* Can you say "honor killing". Not saying there's anything wrong with endogamy- different strokes for different folks. I would just hope that since by our own admission, the men of your community dabble with dating outside the culture, that you don't go all Mujahideen on us if you catch one of your women folk with an AA. barwaaqo:Well, that's good to hear. We have no problems in that case. |
axum:Despite their relatively low population in America sights such as this somali woman in Los Angeles are not uncommon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPBHgWG-MtY They've even found a niche market in Yemen, the most impoverished Arab nation(if you don't count Somalia as an Arab nation) for this somali driven sex-industry. http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/02/10/us-yemen-somalis-prostitution-idUSTRE61950M20100210 Now, whether there women are forced into doing this or not, I can't comment on, though I wouldn't rule out the possibility of pressure from sexplotation. |
barwaaqo:If it's not a relationship based on abuse or exploitation, especially of underage girls, then our community is generally indifferent. We understand that women usually don't settle and go where they want to be. That's what the crux of male competition and survival of the fittest is all about- Best man gets the catch. As long as you guys don't trip out when reciprocity comes your way. https://oi45.tinypic.com/71n576.jpg |
khia:Somali boy who stowed away on airplane wanted to reach his mother http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/27/somalia-boy-plane-stowaway-hawaii-mother Got to hand it to 'em. The kid was tough enough to survive a trip all the way to hawaii. He deserves a lei. https://hawaiihideaways.com/hawaiitravelblog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Lei.jpg |
axum:An extremely radical, hard-line, salifist interpretation of sharia law does not a Somali culture make. Wahabism is an ideology birthed in 18th century Saudi Arabia largely in response to Western imperialism in the muslim world at the time. Basically Al-shabaab is terrorizing the people of Somalia with a foreign ideology. But, non-islamist groups in somalia like the pro-fed soliders & civilians are certainly not above engaging in behaviors similar to those cases in the west. Such as, right now with the cases of Somali interpreters that love-vendor out desperate women in Somalia for exploitation by not only corrupt AMISOM soldiers(Ethiopians, Kenyans, Ugandans), but also North African Arabs. Somalia’s resources are at risk of exploitation from those Somalis willing to sell the rights in shady business contracts, and so too has this only been made possible with the help of Somalis. Pimping out the Somali women/girls who are desperate. http://www.waryapost.com/awoowe-hamza-breaks-amisom-rape-report-somalia/ 20 somali women sold as sex slaves in Lybia. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/201272272748208176.html Unfortunately because of intra-communal competition & greed among the somali people the females of Somalia have become the the Horn of Africa's modern version of Comfort women. (In case you're unfamiliar with the comfort women) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women |
barwaaqo:You mean sex grooming and raping underage African-American teenage girls, right? "The indictment details several instances in which young Somali or African American girls were taken from place to place and forced to engage in sex acts with multiple people. One girl was under 13 when she was first prostituted. Another girl was 18 when she was raped by multiple men in a hotel room, the indictment said." http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/08/apnewsbreak-somali-gangs-ran-sex-ring-states/ ^^^^The largest human trafficking case in US history. Funny thing is they just got busted a couple of months ago in the UK for doing the same thing. Apparently it's apart of their culture, according to them. *shrugs* Somali sex gang groomed and raped underage British schoolgirls saying it was 'part of their culture' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/somali-sex-gang-groomed-raped-4706033 |
KidStranglehold:Exactly that's basically what it comes down to, at the end of the day- Who's sources are accredited either by being primary data or peer-reviewed secondary data. And eurocentrics hardly have room to talk with their race theories and appropriation of ancient Aryan cutlure and symbols from non-european people, used to create some "faux-aryan race". Also, there was a part in Hidden Colors where Phil valentine tries to say that the "Big Ben" clock in London was named after Benjamin Banneker. lol |
KidStranglehold:You just reminded me of a part in the movie where they talked about Mansa Musa of the Mali empire and Moctezuma I of the Aztec empire being the same person, despite the fact that they lived at least 61 years apart!!!!! And people lap it up. .......*slams head against wall*. |
KidStranglehold:Of course they do. You're attacking their prophet. I mean we've seen how people can get when you speak ill about their prophets.....Hello France ![]() and hidden colors.........smh runoko rashidi.........super smh phil valentine.........ultra smh |
RandomAfricanAm:Haha, wow. Man, your analogies sure are well thought out. Good to be back and rev up ol' sparky(my supper account). lol I ghosted for about a month hovering around a couple old and new threads and noticed that surprisingly rise in the level of content in the discussion, particularly that submitted by AAs since back before I left, thanks in large part to you and KSH. So, why not come back and join the dream team. And you're exactly right, these people who buy into these "scholars" lack the critical thinking skills and emotional discipline to hold the information given to them, whether it be from the HS classroom or the street scholar dvd characters, under the black light so to speak. But, instead form a bond with their surrogate prophets, instill an unheathly amount of idolation and trust in them, almost to the point of idol-worship, and take everything in with their hearts. It's a cruel cult of personality atypical of those that come from disenfranchised communities with low educational background. Thus, why we get our myths about super natural, melanin mind-reading, ancient black samurai, olmecs of the pharaohic dynasty XX who lived on the super continent Pangaea had a command of 100 battle spaceships and shot eye lasers from their pupils. lol It get ridiculous. Btw......congrats on the At&t evaluation. Got to get back to practicing Jscrip my damn self. lol |
Many regards to the Puular/Fula/Fulani people for passing down to us our cool cowboy culture, rich fife and drum music tradition, timeless blues fife instrument, and many other significant aspects of our culture and genetic lineage, as well as some of the most note-worthy and well documented of our African ancestors in America, such as Ibrahim Ibn Sori- "The prince among slaves". ![]() |
KidStranglehold:Don't expect your public school curriculum nor your ghetto street-corner "scholars" in NYC to cover it, either. |
KidStranglehold:There was a whole Afro-Dutch AA subculture in the Tri state area from it's colonial past. http://www.academia.edu/3726524/Afro-Dutch_Folklore_and_Folklife Check out the Pinkster festival that was once practiced up there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkster |
KidStranglehold:No, go right ahead. Just wanted feel what it was like posting here again. lol BTW I answered your email. |
Just RAA and KSH have articulated our point better than I could hope to thus far. But, just for shits and giggles... [size=16pt]List Of Surviving Creole Languages Spoken By African-Americans Today[/size] Louisiana creole = French + Native American + African(Bambara, Wolof, Fon) http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=lou Gullah/Geechee = English + African(Mandinka, Wolof, Bambara, Fula, Mende, Vai, Akan, Ewe, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Kongo, Umbundu, Kimbundu) http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=gul Afro-Seminole = Similar to Gullah, but less English, and no Mende influence. http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=afs And one of the many now extinct unique AA languages. Negro/Jersey Dutch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Dutch |
*Kails*:Hey, siblings are suppose to tiff it out and get on each other's nerves. It's just what we here for. lol ![]() Shoot, I think it was a bambara-malian singer, Ali Ibrahim Touré, that brought this whole Mali-to-Mississippi slogan to the forefront, and dubbed Mali as the missing link of the roots of the blues back in the 90s. And in a way he was right, but of course, further research especially that done by Gerhard Kubik, would come to show that instead of Mali-to-Mississippi was actually more like Sahel/Savannah-to-American South(but M2M still sounds catchier lol). There might have been someone that came before Ali, but I can't find the vid as of now. But, yeah chronologically speaking it's actually American music that sounds like a lot like Sahelian music(but who's keeping track, right lol)? This was sort of the point I was making earlier. It is correct that ancestrally we African diasporans possess cauldron pot mix of different African ethnic backgrounds from all over the continent, there ARE some undeniably strong similarities you can draw with certain African population groups with certain groups of African diasporan that aren't present in contrast with others. Afr'ams - Sahelians/Savannaians Jamaicans - Gold Coast/Cen.West Bantus Afr'Bras - Angolans(obviously lol) Of course this is an incredible generalized, simplistic, non-precise, model(as we know some influences from all of those African groups are present in all of three of those Afro-diasporan groups) but it make for an interesting macro level markers of how strong retentions from certain African population regions are stronger than others depending on the location in the America. As you can see it's topic many people find very interesting lol, and some of this can be probably be attributed to the proportion in which some of them were brought to certain places, the culture of the slave masters themselves(ie where the Anglo Protestants or Latin Catholics?), what were the slave master's general perception of certain groups of African, the type of slave society(was it largely cotton, rice, ranching, sugar, tobacco, or mining based) the amount of resistance shown by certain groups of Africans, and probably a whole list of other factors I'm failing to consider. |
List Of American Instruments Of African Origin That Survived The TST https://www.nairaland.com/1106338/list-american-instruments-african-origin#13008637 Add the blues fife to that list. |
RandomAfricanAm: I made a post on this topic earlier...Great post! From further investigation it would seem that the more fast tempo, robust, Georgian/Alabamian Fife and Drum blues variant in the Lower Chattahoochee Valley sounds a lot more like it's Fulani Flute and Drum parent genre than does the slower, calmer, more bluesly, Northern Mississippi Hill Country variant. Have a listen at tracks #2 - #5. http://www.allmusic.com/artist/georgia-fife-and-drum-band-mn0000995150/songs More on Blues in the Lower Chattahoochee Valley http://www.southernspaces.org/2004/blues-lower-chattahoochee-valley |
H-Star89:Awesome tune, which also brings me to this video where they explain how the interactions of the Tuareg people from North Africa with the people of the Sahel(mainly Mande) created the instrumental & stylistic fusion that would later influence the North American rural blues and of course later urban new orleans Jazz by proxy. But, Jazz is actually mixed lol. Jazz is part Central African Kongo(rhythmically - make sense seeing as it was birthed in Congo square New Orleans) and part Upper West African Sahelian/Sudanic(melodically & harmonically), and in some cases you can find the 3 common European harmonic chords altered to bring them into an African matrix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE2CtJ3hgvU A melodic trait from the West African Sahel that is VERY popular in America music(most modern music period, due to influence) in the tonality is the use of the blues note, which is sometimes falsely stated as appearing in some types of european folk music, just because a pentatonic scale is present, which is not all that defines the blues note, but also wavy, bent tones often approaching another tone from below before reaching maximum height, then quickly collapsing, and also the use of a 17-21 tonal scale is common to African music, whereas European music utilizes a 12-tone scale. Also, the off beat accents common in all early American folk music, characterized usually by the stamping of a foot to accentuate the melody of a song often called the "blues beat" is NOT derived from European metrical schemes with their preconceived accents, and VERY common in the work songs of people in Upper West African Sahara & Sahel regions, and in Eastern Africa outside of the dense forest. In American music the propulsive rhythmic "feel" or "groove" created by the musical interaction between the performers, especially when the music creates a "visceral response" such as feet-tapping or head-nodding is an music phenomenon found in the the Savannah belt of West Africa. H-Star89:Ahh yes, Gehard Kubik's blues musical style cluster map in Africa. I'd say it's pretty accurate myself, seeing as he used the largest sample size of recorded traditional African music before the advent of western mass media to influence them from his travels there of any scholar. It also coincides with what a famous white mississippi(home of the MS delta blues) said about prefering African slaves from the interior of Africa verses those of the coastal regions. Supper: Famous white Natchez Mississippi planter/slaver, William Dunbar, express that Mississippi planters held a preference for Africans from the interior, stating "there are certain nations from the interior of Africa the individuals of which I have always found more civilized, at least better disposed than those from the coast, such as Bornon, Houssa, Zanfara, Zegzeg, Kapina, and Tombootoo regions". "The bornon" are those from the bornu empire, the "Houssa" are the Hausa, "Kapina" refers to those from the Katsina region of present day northern Nigeria and Southern Niger. "Zanfara" refers to the Zamfara region, another region in present day Northern Nigeria and southern Niger. Tombootoo refers to the Bambara of Mail. All of these regions had heavy islamic influenced populations.^^^Coincidentally, all of those regions appear shaded dark on Gerhard Kubik's blues traits map. I greatly recommend listening to this fantastic interview on the Afropop website by PH.d, ethnomusicologist, Gerhard Kubik, a white European, on the African stylistic orgins of the blues. http://www.afropop.org/wp/6275/africa-and-the-blues/ Complete with side by side comparisons of African music to early African-American blues in the south. |
Agricultural livestock influence: [size=14pt]The Guinea Fowl[/size] [img]http://animal4u.files./2013/01/guinea-fowl-info0.gif[/img] The Guinea Fowl is a domesticated version of the wild helmeted Guinea Fowl species native to Africa that was brought from West Africa in conjunction with the slave trade to North America. You can still see many of them running around in rural parts of the southern US, and are still a major part of traditional Afr'Am agricultural living and cuisine. My momo(grandmother) just calls them "guineas", her neighbor always has a couple that she just lets roam around the streets. lol I doubt she and most rural African-Americans even know where the country of Guinea is or the Guinea Coast. It's crazy how sub-conscious a lot of these cultural retentions are. A guinea fowl, is a bird of African origin. They live in trees around the house and make a big noise if strangers come around. Like any game bird, they have to be aged before cooking. They have a delicious flavor and are best when cooked in a clay pot with butter, herbs, onions, and mushrooms. Early archeological evidence for this African-American tradition of using clay pots, and argues that it comes from Mandinka traditions of stewing guinea fowl in earthenware pots. It's even quite possible that the fried chicken traditions of our South derive from West African fried guinea fowl cooking methods.http://languageoffood..com/2010/11/turkey.html (See bottom picture.) [size=14pt]Guineas in North Carolina[/size] [img]http://1.bp..com/_u0DWEykBMWA/THz7h-AXOZI/AAAAAAAACeU/2NMCWuWp8s8/s400/guinea+pair.jpg[/img] Funny Houston chronicle article about how the neighborhood Guinea Fowls are Loved/Loathed. lol Seriously, if you come to a lot of the African-Americans & Hispanic neighborhood down here in Houston Texas, you'll see these things running around freely on the streets, drive-ways, and side walks. lol http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Neighborhood-guinea-fowl-are-loved-loathed-1524146.php
|
Culinary influence: [size=14pt]From West African Maafe to Virgina Peanut Stew[/size] The dish originated with the Mandinka and Bambara people of Mali. The proper name for it in the Mandinka language is domodah or tigadegena (lit. 'peanut butter sauce,' where tige is 'peanut,' dege is 'paste,' and na is 'sauce') in Bamanankan. The word Mafé or Maafe is the Wolof word for dish. A variation of the stew, "Virginia peanut soup", even traveled with enslaved Africans to North America.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maafe [size=14pt]Maafe[/size] https://www.travelingeast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/4810064758_993e487019_b.jpg [size=14pt]Virgina Peanut Stew[/size] https://www.history.org/almanack/life/food/images/peanutSoup.jpg |
[size=14pt]A Linguistic comparison of Kreyol Ayisyen(Haitian Creole) vs Kreyol Lwiziyen(Louisiana Creole- the language of my still living maternal grandfather)[/size] http://postcolonial.org/index.php/pct/article/viewArticle/375/813 HC emerged as the enslaved Africans tried to communicate with their French masters. Most of the St. Domingue slaves were speakers of Niger-Congo languages, which are several hundred languages spoken in Sub-Saharan Africa from the Atlantic to Sudan, and they were exposed to non-standard and non-homogenous French varieties spoken by the colonists. Standardization of the French language had not been achieved during the time of colonial expansion; thus, the French colonists spoke varieties known as Franais Rgionaux which contained significant lexical, syntactic, and morphological differences compared to contemporary French (St. Fort). HC developed as the Africans attempted to learn Franais Rgionaux; hence, the creole contains considerable morphological and syntactic influences from their indigenous West African languages ("Haitian" In the first decade of slave trade, the Africans were speakers of many different languages including Ewe, Yoruba, and Bantu. Two-thirds of the slaves brought to Louisiana originated in the Senegambian region, speaking Sereer, Wolof, Pulaar, and Malinke. The largest group from Senegambia was the Bambara, who spoke mutually intelligible dialects of Mandekan (327). The fact that the majority of Louisiana slaves came from one region was unusual during the plantocracy, since it was considered prudent to separate people of similar tribes and language groups in order to prevent uprisings. Such a precaution was not taken in this case because it was "difficult to get any slaves in Louisiana" (Marshall 337). Also, the monopoly held by the Company of Indies in both Senegal and Louisiana may also have contributed to the Africans' relative ancestral homogeneity (334). Because of this homogeneity, retention of the Africans' indigenous languages may have delayed the development of a Creole in Louisiana. In fact, the Pointe Coupee slave revolt in 1731 was organized by the Bambara who were purportedly speaking their ancestral languages to plan the coup. Ultimately, LC did develop, like HC, with West African languages becoming the substrates to a varied French lexifier. One native speaker of Louisiana Creole reported to have had little trouble learning Haitian Creole during a period when he lived on the island nation. Another native speaker claimed to have been able to communicate with Haitians in New York City by speaking CreoleDespite common misconception the two creoles have be proven to have developed separately(like the two voodoos which I might do a post on later, if I feel like it). The similarities they do share can be attributed to commonalities of the circumstance in which they both developed(interactions between French speaking slave masters + African slaves). Sadly, while HC is thriving, LC is currently a dying language mostly spoken by older generation Afro-Louisianians. Anyway, Komen Kap Kori, Ayiti! lol(I know very little) Also, contrary to popular belief, immigration between Louisiana & Haiti wasn't just a one way streak(from Haiti to Louisiana). It happened both ways. Several hundred Afro-Louisianians settled in Haiti's Artibonite Valley between 1859 and 1860. http://books.google.com/books?id=27DLWdZMf5YC&lpg=PA64&ots=Ml5xvUMoLh&dq=%22blacks%20from%20louisiana%22%20haiti%20emigration&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q=%22blacks%20from%20louisiana%22%20haiti%20emigration&f=false |
[size=14pt]Linguistic influence.[/size] [size=14pt]"As regards numerals, I interview serval older Gullahs(SE coastal African-Americans), each of whom could count from one to nineteen in the Fula language. Usually the Gullahs did not know the name of the language in which they counted, but said that they learned the numerals from older relatives or friends. A few unknowingly, would draw upon two or more African languages in counting from on to ten."[/size]http://books.google.com/books?id=2oZ5mHkg1QgC&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=gullah+fula+language+count&source=bl&ots=9DGbY1gcfQ&sig=0XCHpUhNgOiWnR6wO1Sn3goWSQ8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zxsDUpmvI7L64AP-iYGQAg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=gullah%20fula%20language%20count&f=false - Lorenzo Dow Turner, Ph.D academic & linguist. |
By raw numbers, there were probably SLIGHTLY more African muslim slaves in Brazil just because Brazil was destination to about 10xs the amount of slaves from Africa imported there than North America, period. But pound for pound North America was the destination for more Upper West African Sahelian/Sudanic muslim influenced slaves than any other region in the Americas by far. Famous white Natchez Mississippi planter/slaver, William Dunbar, express that Mississippi planters held a preference for Africans from the interior, stating "there are certain nations from the interior of Africa the individuals of which I have always found more civilized, at least better disposed than those from the coast, such as Bornon, Houssa, Zanfara, Zegzeg, Kapina, and Tombootoo regions". "The bornon" are those from the bornu empire, the "Houssa" are the Hausa, "Kapina" refers to those from the Katsina region of present day northern /Vigeria and Southern /Viger. "Zanfara" refers to the Zamfara region, another region in present day Northern /Vigeria and southern /Viger. Tombootoo refers to the Bambara of Mail. All of these regions had heavy islamic influenced populations. "It is estimated that over 50% of the slaves imported to North America came from areas where Islam was followed by at least a minority population. Thus, no less than 200,000 came from regions influenced by Islam. Substantial numbers originated from Senegambia, a region with an established community of Muslim inhabitants extending to the 11th century." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States "Thereafter, planters in South Carolina, Georgia and Louisiana preferred enslaved Africans from Senegambia because of their experience in rice cultivation. This would explain in part why Americans imported a relatively large proportion of Senegambians. In French Louisiana, a captain was instructed “to try to purchase several blacks who know how to cultivate rice." http://mana-net.org/pages.php?ID=education&NUM=154 Another Famous Fulani slave in North America named Omar Ibn Said born to a wealthy family in the Futa Tooro state. He was an Islamic scholar and a Fula who spent 25 years of his life studying with prominent Muslim scholars, learning subjects ranging from arithmetic to theology in Africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Ibn_Said |



