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EnlightenedSoul:Well, you're most likely right about that. You just might be more aloof than I previously gathered. Though, you probably haven't realized it yet, sunshine, but your personally held(keyword) opinions of AA men & supposed dating habits are about as relevant to me as your friends claims of a trail of arab and white exs and obvious penchant for male models. The climate of hostility towards us that you and you ilk created in a thread where we weren't even meant to be the topic of discussion was the issue. I came in and steered the convo in the opposite direction and put you people on the defensive. And you certainly were at least smart enough to back track from the previous path of degradation you were on. Although, your buddy, not so much. Trust that if your petty thoughts & opinions of us mattered at all to me I wouldn't be stepping over you to drag your e-pal, your country, your people, and all else that you hold so dear up and down this thread so nonchalantly. In fact, this is first I've even bothered to address you directly. You can chose to view me or any other AA guy as SuperDuperScaryThug-3000 for all I care, but when you decide to venture into public slander, don't be surprised if you and your people are met with an unfriendly reaction. Though, for someone so bent on "taking the high road" in all of this you sure have been keeping close tabs and been quite active up until now when there are literally thousands of other discussions on here to partake in certainly more aligned with your level of morality. Anyway, I just hope you told dude somewhere in that previous encrypted message that he'd be better off sticking to posting moist photos of males instead of testing his luck with Supper or something to that effect. |
AkataGuy:Ironic, coming from the same lame, insecure, dude that dedicated an entire thread to self-aggrandizing himself and somali males in general by posting a bunch of moist supermodel portraits of MEN(what kind of guy does that?) and going on about how him & his brothers dated arab and white chicks, all because a Nigerian female on here called them ugly and feminine. That kind of unwarranted, disproportionate, reaction can only be expected from someone who's deeply insecure yet a narcissist at the same time([size=4pt]or a closet homosexual[/size]). I didn't make my initial post, because of the worthless opinion of the resident starving poet from djibouti on AA(men). The issue here was that chick came out of wood works clearly going out of her way to typecast and propagate all of these off the wall generalizations about us, and just wouldn't let it be after the first few post. It became obsessive. And there weren't any other Afr'Ams here to speak for us, so I came in just to set the record straight with one clean post, and to see if she would continue to press the issue after that. As expected, she back tracked. And that would've been the end of it, but the dude, who unlike her wasn't familiar with me and how I've handled their kind in the past, decided to cape and recklessly jumped out there. |
fanficgirl:Well, it's not hard to, seeing as they're so one denominational, superficial, & shallow. Therefore lack any real substance. I'm glad my post could be a breath of relief for those who've had the misfortune of interacting with them. |
fanficgirl:Well, whether or not they had any dignity to begin with, I'm not at liberty to say. But, I can assure you, I'm really not such a bad guy. ![]() |
AkataGuy:Lol It's as I alluded in my very first post in this thread, "being a somalian(who's not totally aloof) = overcompensating your way through life". They just happened to bite off more than they could chew here. Though, I say better they stick to speaking in language laced with colorful literary devices than let their jealously fueled rage towards Afr'Ams get them into more trouble. It's certainly a more healthy outlet. |
*sigh* Looks like our little khat junkie, still punch drunk from our last encounter, has came down from his high long enough to crawl back for more. So, I propose a challenge: Somalis have existed for thousands of years, and "av nevar bin inslaved", as they love to put so eloquently. So, this should be more than fair for them, giving them a large advantage in fact. I say we lay out and compare notable contributions in the fields of math, science, technology, and medicine that were ground breaking for their time that have been contributed by each group. And lets please be specific with the names of inventions and/or concepts, and the people responsible by providing credible sources, not "we trated a giraffe with a china-man sailor in teh 15th century". Should be fairly simple seeing as Somalis have this multi-millennium long time span to work with according to you whereas we only have 151 years worth of history living as free people(but still a nationless minority) to utilize. Seeing as I've already named some of our own and your ilk have yet to name ONE throughout all of this. I'll have to request that you go first, then I'll come back and match yours. Should be interesting.......... I'm going to leave that here. Just know that your silence in regards to this challenge will speak VOLUMES about your people more than anything me you or any other poster could possibly put into text here. But, in all seriousness we all know this guy nor any other "adoon" hating somali on here will take us up on that offer as their peoples pathetic multi-millennium long utterly useless existence leaves them completely unequipped and ashamed deep down on the inside, and they know it. Because at the end of the day a (relatively)very young 151 year old people fresh from the horrors of chattel slavery with an abundance of accomplishments to be proud of > A stone age primitive wandering-nomadic people whos baseless arrogance knows no bounds, who've managed to exist for thousands of years in the same region of the world unmolested by anyone else but themselves, with nothing but a multi-millennium long history of constant rampant inbreeding, savage inter-clan fighting, genital mutilation, and aimless nomadic wandering about the horn of africa and again has, as you guys love to put it "nevar bin inslaived", yet still hasn't manage make ONE notable contribution in any field of math, science, technology, or the arts. The truth is that even they know that their only redeeming quality, if you can even call it that, is "teh curly hair", "teh eb1b1 haplogroup" & "teh slaving of bantu" because it's all they ever boast and brag about on here. And just for the record the most advanced "Somali civilizations" that ever existed in history, were based on the Swahili-Bantu economic model of maritime trade along a few select coastal cities(their people just so happen to inhabit the longest continuous coastline of any other group in Africa) and relied heavily on military support form Ottoman and Arab-Omani empires(to be fair, so did the Swahilis, but they were the original pioneers of developing wealthy commerce based societies in East Africa during the Medieval period). But, other than that Somalis always have been, by and large, a bunch of primitive, disorganized, clannish, inbred, nomadic, pastoral people even to this day who are struggling to accommodate their raving, xenophobic, bigoted anti-bantu/adoon mindset, and categorically backwards traditions like FGM as well human(female) trafficking to a rapidly advancing and globalized world. So, its no surprised that they're taken aback and have trouble wrapping their tiny minds around how a people who've been through what we've been through and have in a short time(151 years) manage to overwhelmingly outpace them with accomplishments in every area of life. Thus, they react with the vitriol towards us that you see. These unwanted, globally recognized lepers thought that because this is a nigerian forum they'd be safe to vent their obsessive jealously-fueled malice towards their "American adoon" object of fixation, unchecked. Now of course, in a way, I understand the need for such a people to seek an outlet to cope with their own inferiority complex in the only way they know how: By launching a tirade of petty racial insults like they always do. It's just that they just can't seem to handle it when they get a healthy dose of their own medicine. And all of a sudden they go from these chest thumping "proud nobel warriors, who enslaved the bantus without ever being enslaved themselves" to meek little victims of cyber-buling by Afr'Ams & crying about being refugees(due to their own peoples savagery in their homeland) in an instant. Notice how these imbeciles try to play up the "greatness of America", whenever speaking of their refugee status in a feeble attempt to offer their lack of access to said "greatness" as reason that they're in the position that they're in. But, they unknowingly stick their own feet in their mouth when they say that because if they really felt like The US was so great why did they go all savage-somalian and torch their whole country when those "great" US troops occupied it and chase away all of those American investors, like Conoco, who were pouring multi-millions into their country? But, it's no surprise, that Somalis, like all low IQ people would embrace a mythical idea like "American exceptionalism", without even taking the time think critically about what exact qualities make the US "the greatest country in the world". Do we have the highest median income or even the highest GDP per capita- No, the US is noted as being the developed country with the biggest wealth gap in the world, being ranked as the country with one of the highest disparities between it's median wealth and mean(average) wealth. Which in laymens terms means that it's per capita income, mean wealth, and gdp per capita are artificially inflated because of the filthy rich outliers. Thus, using per capita income or mean wealth is not a good indication of central tenancy of the wealth of the people in The US. Americas median wealth provides a much more accurate picture of the what your average every day common US citizen is worth. And it's one of the lowest among the developed nations. Countries like Canada, the UK, Australia, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and Norwary all countries where Somalis do abysmally bad, offer a much more transparent opportunity for stable living. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult Most educated citizens- No, The US is notorious for have one of the worst public education systems in the world amongst developed nations. For instance ranking 25th among 34 countries in math and science. The "ignorant American" stereotype didn't just manifest it self out of thin air. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-12-07/teens-in-u-s-rank-25th-on-math-test-trail-in-science-reading Highest rate of home ownership- No , in fact the US by far has the highest rate of homelessness in any of the developed countries. https://www.homelessworldcup.org/homelessness-statistics/#america And lets not even waste time getting into how the US has the most acute poverty rate and highest incarceration rate of any developed nation. And to, once again, further refute this idiot who seems to think that economic progress of a race or ethnicity should yield a positively correlation with the length of time spent in a land as a function. All available evidence points to the contrary, that recent immigrants tend to perform better economically than natives on average, just like in the UK, Canada, and Australia. Plus, it's no secret that historically oppressed /marginalized populations tend to perform poorly in academia and in other areas of life than others, in just about every developed country you can think of(Check the statistics of First Nations, Aboriginals, and Maoris in Canada, Australia, & New Zealand). For instance the percent of Native Americans in the US that hold bachelors degrees or higher is even lower than that of African-Americans, at %13, which is still higher than the rate for somalis. And Native Americans have a highest rate of poverty(if you break it down by race, and not ethnicity in which case Somali-Americans have the highest rate of poverty):Reservation Indians have a 39% poverty rate; Non-Reservations Indians, 26% and Blacks, 25% and drug addictions as well which you were just decrying as a "horrible epidemic" last week. https://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acsbr10-19.pdf http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic177572.files/SONN_Final_01_09_07.pdf http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/ Are you or any other Somali on here going to go to extraordinary lengths, with post after post, thread after thread, to criticize & bash Native Americans for their underachievement despite being in these lands longer than any other group, bar none, like you people jump at any and every opportunity to do with African-Americans? I doubt it, seeing as your obsessive jealousy-fueled malice is almost exclusively directed at Afr'Ams, whereas you guys could careless about a group like Native Americans(you might even feint sympathy for them). That coupled with the fact immigrants, including most refugee populations tend to perform better than natives across the board. So, why do Somalis in America perform worse than refugees from the Former Soviet Union, Vietnam, Former Yugoslavia, Iraq, Myanmar despite having less of a refugee intake than all of those groups. Why isn't the current Syrian refugee population having issues progressing in America like Somalis who have the highest poverty, rate unemployment, lowest rate of college graduation in America? Sounds like somalis aren't capitalizing off all of those American "obbortunities" either? Less than anyone in fact. Yet we're suppose to believe that Somalis who've never managed accomplish anything significant in their entire multi-thousands of years in existence are going to "bass up dos 151 year old madow beoble" in a few generations, because they gained refugee status in America, after destroying their own country, all of a sudden. lol Well, at least you have a sense of humor to go along with that raving jealousy of yours. |
momoyama:Shanty Town Report Details Terrible Conditions Faced By Residents http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/jul/04/shanty-town-report-details-terrible-conditions-fac/ And it's a fact that the bahamas had a higher murder rate than both Detroit(& New Orleans) in 2015. http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/01/articles/caribbean-islands/more-per-capita-murder-than-detroit-nassau-continues-with-mayhem-in-2016/ Though The Bahamas has a higher average income($21,280 vs $14,721) than Detroit. As I'm sure there are some wealthy communities on the islands especially in the capital of Nassau. Still, evidence would suggest that there issues in regards to poverty and violence there, just as in any community of Afro-Diasporans or Indigenous peoples of the Americas(including African-Americans). And that's the point I was making. And there's upscale outlier African-American communities in America as well The wealthiest Majority African American neighborhoods based on average incomes. A)Windsor Hills CA-$159,582 B) Baldwin Hills CA-$157,033 C)Ladera Heights CA-$132,824 D)Mitcheville MD-$118,112 E)Fort Washington MD-$114,230 F)Kettering MD-$107,008 G)Woodmore MD-$103,438 H)Friendly MD-$82,827 I) HIllcrest NY-$76,960 J)Uniondale NY-$76,530 |
Furthermore continuing on with the theme of disease infestation. 22 Percent of Resettled Refugees in Minnesota Test Positive for Tuberculosis & 26 percent of all foreign born cases of tuberculosis in Minnesota were from people born in Somalia.- Now causes more deaths than hiv. http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/refugee/rhq/rhqapr16.pdf Khat-chewing "contributes to rise in Burao Tuberculosis patients" http://www.irinnews.org/report/90564/somalia-khat-chewing-contributes-rise-burao-tb-patients Abdijibar Mohamed Abdi, a director of the TB unit at hospital, told IRIN. "One of the reasons for the high rate of infection among men is the chewing of khat, which is done in poorly ventilated rooms for many hours. Such men are also at greater risk due to hunger and sleeplessness as the chewing takes place mostly at night." So much for qat being "burfectly" harmless, eh. |
Somguy:They used real stories to back up their points, not just about a bunch of empty rhetoric. But, okay well here's non-partisan an unbiased source. -Minnesota is home to America’s largest Somali community, 33,000 people. The unemployment rate for Somali Minnesotans in 2015 was triple the state average, 21 percent. As of 2014, about 5,950 of the state’s Somali population received cash assistance; 17,000 receive food assistance as of 2014. Keep in mind the unemployment rate for african-americans is %8.8 http://www.npr.org/2016/02/05/465748249/african-americans-face-uncertain-reality-despite-low-unemployment-rate A close study of Somali refugees by the government of Maine (home to the nation’s second-largest Somali community) found that fewer than half of the working-age population had worked at any time in the five years from 2001 through 2006. The U.S. unemployment rate of 20+ percent still represents a huge improvement over rates in Europe. Only about 40 percent of working-age Somali men in Norway are employed. In the Swedish city of Malmo, home to one of the largest Somali communities in Europe, only 20 percent work. Somalis have so much difficulty finding work in the developed world because their skills badly mismatch local labor needs. Only about 18 percent of boys and 15 percent of girls attend even primary school in Somalia. UNICEF has given up trying to measure literacy rates. Much of the U.S. refugee population is descended from people held as slaves in Somalia, who accordingly lack any family tradition of education. Their children then flounder in Western schools, baffled by the norms and expectations they encounter there. In the U.K., Somali students pass the standard age 16 high school exams at a rate less than half that of Nigerian immigrant students. Struggling with the transition from semi-nomadic-herder society to postindustrial urban life, young Somalis in the West are tempted by criminal activity. Danish Somalis are 10 times more likely to be committed of a serious offense than native-born Danes. At least 29 young Canadian Somalis were murdered in drug-trafficking-related deaths between 2005 and 2010. In July 2012, Richard Stanek, sheriff of the county that encompasses Minneapolis-St. Paul, testified to Congress about the rising danger of American Somali gangs. http://www.steynonline.com/7366/welfare-for-the-world Somguy:Look, I know that you come from statistically the most illiterate group in the world, but at least try read the bold face title of article before you start going off about what is and what isn't mentioned. https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13466297_1356359001046107_3350938577084514162_n.jpg?oh=d2bb080a79b6b03600fd50444596047c&oe=57DD42C5 And the article clearly states verbatim that in "2013, 2,691 new cases were reported in south central Somalia alone" Thus.... 19079/45003665 > 0.00042 x 100 = 0.042 percent of African-American were newly infected with HIV 2691/3100000 > 0.00086 x 100 = 0.086 percent of people in South Central Zoomalia were newly infected with HIV Furthermore Djibouti a country, mainly populated by somalis ranks 39 in countries with the highest hiv infection rate. That's at the top one quarter of the 169 countries from where data was gathered and more than the vast majority of even West African countries. With %1.2 of the population being infected. http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=so&v=32 But, as stated before you like most somalians clearly lack the basic arithmetic skills to even conduct such a comparison, so you'll just have to take my word for it. Somguy:The figures on the published articles always use Estimated numbers resulting from statistical adjustment that accounted for reporting delays and missing transmission category. Only later are the actual numbers tallied in whole. Which tally up at 19,079. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/statistics_2012_HIV_Surveillance_Report_vol_24.pdf#Page=26 But, even if we went with your number the figures would still look like this. 19540/45003665 > 0.00042 x 100 = 0.044 percent of African-American were newly infected with HIV(one thousandth of a percent higher) 2691/3100000 > 0.00086 x 100 = 0.086 percent of people in South Central Somalia were newly infected with HIV Furthermore many studies have shown that the so called "African-American" hiv infection rate in America is artificially inflated, because of African immigrants being agglomerated under the category "African-Americans" on a national level, and in most states but a few. So the actual ethnic AA hiv rate is projected to be lower. In 2009, the Utah HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report profile included country of birth for the first time. As noted in the report, from 2008–2009, there was a 33 percent increase in HIV diagnoses in African-born persons. HIV prevalence is more than six times higher among African-born blacks than U.S.-born blacks. African-born blacks made up 0.25 percent of Utah’s total population, but accounted for 7.9 percent of all HIV/AIDS cases http://scholarworks.umb.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1353&context=trotter_review Finally, a report in the Boston Herald (4/ 20/02) also reports high levels of HIV/ AIDS stigma in Boston African immigrant populations, which that city has also been unable to estimate. The estimated number given for the state, however, is 100,000, with the largest populations from Cape Verde, Nigeria, Ghana, and Uganda. It was stated that the HIV prevalence in these populations is probably greater than in blacks generally in the state (estimated to be ~1.2%). http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/communicable/hiv/~/media/health/publichealth/documents/hiv/African_Immigrant_Project.ashx African-Americans. Kerani et al. (2008) reclassified cases of HIV/AIDS among African-Americans, separating African-born from African-Americans in eight regions and states, and found that African-born persons accounted for between 3 and 50% of all diagnoses among African-Americans in these areas. Failure by states and regions to separate African-American data from African born data may hide important epidemiologic trends and artificially inflate the rate of HIV/AIDS among African-Americans. http://cogentoa.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/2331205X.2016.1175402 And lastly from Minnesota(little Mogadishu) Minnesota is one of only a few states that separate HIV/AIDS statistics of African-Americans from African born. Between 2008 and 2012, African immigrants represented the largest group of immigrants living in the state of Minnesota with over half coming from eastern Africa (Gambino, Trevelyan, & Fitzwater, 2014).1 Eastern Africa is unique in that it is the second most affected region by HIV/AIDS in the world (United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime, 2013). In Minnesota, African-born immigrants experience the highest rate of HIV infection among any racial/ethnic group reported (56.2 per 100,000; Minnesota Department of Health, 2012). The epidemic of HIV/AIDS in Minnesota reflects national trends in transmission and progression. Although men who have sex with men continue to comprise the majority of people in Minnesota and the nation living with HIV/AIDS, other subpopulations including African-born residents, are observing a rise in their infection rates (Minnesota Department of Health, 2012). http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/2331205X.2016.1175402 Somguy:Bottom line is that disgusting pedophilic practice of yours isn't at all relevant to the African-American experience. Never has been. So, naturally it's shocking to hear of a nation where it's performed on %98 of young girls. The US states with the highest forcible rape rates per 100,000 people are as followed..... Alaska - 73.4 South Dakota - 59.9 New Mexico - 53.9 http://leg.state.nv.us/Interim/76th2011/Committee/StatCom/AdminJustice/Other/24-April-2012//2008 and 2009 Crime Rates By State.pdf Alaska has an even more disproportionate rate of child rape at six times to national average. http://www.adn.com/commentary/article/why-alaska-rape-capital-us-because-we-allow-it/2013/04/08/ All states with the least population of African-Americans in the US. Whereas it takes a real special kind of savage to immigrate to a one peace and relatively rape free country, like sweden along with arabs and pakis, and turn it into the rape capital of Europe in less than a decade. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape Hell, just less than two of months ago, 5 somali punks(who are of course just practicing their culture) gang raped this woman in minneapolis http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/04/20/group-sexual-assault-south-mpls/ Or how about at the beginning of the year(2016) when a group of somalians decided to celebrate eid mubarak by gang raping a 16 year old girl in the UK. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423246/Three-Somali-men-gang-raped-white-16-year-old-girl-bathroom-hotel-stayed-celebrate-Eid-jailed-30-years.html Or how about Somalia's hidden epidemic of raping women and girls in refugee camps where women describe rape as being "normal". http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2011/10/26/living-hell-somalias-hidden-rape-epidemic Or how about the 14 year old girl that was stoned to death after being raped in 2008 in Somaila. Or how about the time a good Samaritan African-American man was jumped and beaten with baseball bats by 5 somali punks for defending a female gas station clerk from being harassed by the third world savages in St Paul, MN. http://www.twincities.com/2010/06/02/st-paul-police-release-photos-of-bat-attack-on-good-samaritan/ |
Somguy:Crack epidemic ?? Dude, the 80s called: They want their talking points back. Countless studies have shown that white people use drugs at the same rate as African-Americans and sell drugs at an even higher rate EVEN DURING THE 80s, but African-Americans are and have been historically arrested for it at a higher rate. The study, which was published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry, controlled for variables like socioeconomic status because rates of severe drug problems tend to be greater amongst the poor. Despite this, Native American youth fared worst, with 15% having a substance use disorder, compared to 9.2% for people of mixed racial heritage, 9.0% for whites, 7.7% for Hispanics, 5% for African Americans and 3.5% for Asians and Pacific Islanders. http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/ Whites were about 45 percent more likely than blacks to sell drugs in 1980, according to an analysis of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth by economist Robert Fairlie. This was consistent with a 1989 survey of youth in Boston. My own analysis of data from the 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows that 6.6 percent of white adolescents and young adults (aged 12 to 25) sold drugs, compared to just 5.0 percent of blacks (a 32 percent difference). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/ Whereas according to the previously posted study. The percentage of those who never tried khat never exceeds 30% in the different age groups in H, while the same in M ranges between 57.68% (20-30) and 87.62% (under 20). Thus there are WAAYYY more somali khat junkies proportionally than African-American crack(or any drug) addicts. And while their are some conflicting opinions on the effects of its use, MOST credible sources of information on it report that it does have significant direct adverse effects on health, particularly orally. Here's a scholarly peer-reviewed research paper published in an actual academic journal on the subject. "These groups(Somalis/Yemenis) typically have high levels of male unemployment, poverty and low educational standards, and it is within these community groups where oral cancer incidence is most prevalent. No studies of oral cancer incidence in these ethnic populations in the UK has been undertaken to date. http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v206/n1/full/sj.bdj.2008.1122.html Penniless, starving and at the mercy of marauding armed gangs: Appalling fate of Yemen and Somalia's khat addicts revealed http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2799063/penniless-starving-mercy-marauding-armed-gangs-appalling-fate-yemen-somalia-s-khat-addicts-revealed.html And just to reiterate, proportionally there's way more somali khat junkies than African-American crack(or any drug) addicts. Oh "but wEer nut lik dos gaalo madow beoble. Wii weel only sell r dotters for de purfekly safe tasty leaves like qat aftur we mutilate der genitals with a rusty blade, my furiend. But never teh crack like dos immoral madows" “What is happening is that vehicles that ferry miraa (khat) to Somalia are also used to ferry young girls and women for the purpose of trade. Businessmen and women traffic these young girls to brothel houses in Nairobi and other countries,” she said. http://english.alshahid.net/archives/2948 Somguy:You're right, there's no comparison. See above link. But of course I can't leave out the all of somali pedophile grooming/trafficking gangs that routinely get busted in West as well. 29 Somali Muslim Gang Members Indicted for Kidnapping, Raping and Selling Underage Girls (Video) http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/29-somali-muslim-gang-members-indicted-for-kidnapping-raping-and-selling-underage-girls/ Chilling moment member of 13-strong Somali prostitution gang checks in to a Premier Inn hotel before raping 13-year-old girl in a room with another man http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851680/13-Somali-men-convicted-running-inner-city-prostitution-ring-British-teenagers-abused-raped.html Ahh rich somalian culture- The gift that just keeps on giving. Somguy:This whole diatribe in has been preemptively addressed, discredited, and refuted, thoroughly I might add, in my first post. I went as far as to lay out three premises leading to an inference as to how African-Americans are expected to perform based on the what we as a relatively young people have been through, and went even further to give you the opportunity to provide ONE example of Afro or Indigenous(including Native Americans) descendants in the Americas that have an HDI equal to that of whites or immigrant groups in the respective countries they live, as a retort. You conveniently & cowardly skirted the question. To which the only response you had was only "nice essay" which considering that somalis are by and large a semi-literate "beoble" who dread the mere idea of having to read something that isn't a food stamps application, I guess shouldn't be surprised. And you further reinforce the notion that somalians lack basic arithmetic skills with the erroneous 400+ years figure you seem to pull out of your anus. The US didn't even exist 400 years ago, as the declaration of independence of the original 13th colonies from britain didn't occur until 1776 exactly 240 years ago- ya know, 4th of July, maybe you've heard of it. And the emancipation of slaves didn't have happen until 1865, 151 years ago, until which AAs were chattel enslaved property of others deliberately prohibited from basic forms of education, like reading, BY LAW and weren't even considered fully human, let alone citizens of the US! And this isn't even taking into consideration the blatant racial disenfranchisement of African-Americans under the post-emancipations legal black codes or jim crow era laws(but 51 years ago). See, this is why you shouldn't have skipped math and history class to chew khat underneath the stairwell. But, again do feel free to find me ONE single example of an Afro TST or Indigenous descedant people in the Americas that have an HDI more or less equal to that of whites or the even better on average performing immigrant communities in their respective countries. Though, I wont hold my breath on that one. You'll most likely continue to do the bobble head somalian-shuffle all around that one. Now with all that said: While you may continue to regurgitate the same inaccurate cookie cutter talking point about other races owning business in African-American neighborhoods(in actuality African-American owned businesses are the fastest growing segment of businesses in the country according to the US census). That still isn't anywhere near as shameful as having a fractured country where the only real central government control lies in a city that has routine terrorist attacks on hotels. Everywhere else is under the military protection of neighboring Kenya, Ethiopia and other AU states, being built from the ground up by turks and chinese firms, and reliant on UN food rations to feed the people. Leaving you in effect you guys are as stateless as we are. Your people reside on the most resource rich continent(Africa), in a country that hands down has the most strategic location for commerce, industry fishing, and tourism with borders on both the gulf of aden and the red sea and all you have to show for it is piracy, terrorism on hotels, illiteracy, famine, malnutrition, the highest infant mortality rate in the world, and abject poverty? This coming from a people who've existed for thousands of years in the same region of the world, has lived through and witnessed countless periods of human advancement, from the iron age, to the islamic golden age, to the european enlightenment, and has never, as you guys love to put "bin inslaived", still hasn't manage make ONE notable contribution in any field of math, science, technology, or the arts. Nothing but a multi-millennium long history of constant rampant inbreeding, savage inter-clan fighting, genital mutilation, and aimless nomadic wandering about the horn of africa. Yet the American "adoon" you love to hate who's only existed as free people for a mere 151 years, as a nationless minority, has a plethora of notable contributions in every thing from: -Science, such as revolutionizing the entire agricultural industry, which literally saved the economy of the post civil war south. http://porterbriggs.com/how-peanuts-saved-the-south/ -Math, such as John von Neumann Theory Prize(the nobel prize of operations research) winning mathematician, David Blackwell who came up with the Rao-Blackwell Theorum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blackwell -Techology, such as designing the Industry Standard Architecture for used in all modern cpu chips to interface with motherboards. http://www.biography.com/people/mark-dean-604036 -Arts, such as well basically directly inventing or influencing or just about every form of popular music around the world that's existed, from the 19th century starting with ragtime, onward. What have somalis in their sad, pathetic, 1000s years existence EVER contributed to the world in ANY time period? Hell, at least the Arabs and Iranians have the names of many scientist and mathematicians from the islamic golden age they can point to & even your habesha neighbors with the Abyssinian civilization(s) creating one of the only indigenous alphabet scripts and the ONLY written music notation in Sub-Saharan Africa, to look back to for evidence of the genius and impact of their people. Plus, plenty, too many to name, examples of West African contributions to the fields of math and science such as Fulani al-Kishnawi from Northern Nigeria who published a manuscript in cairo egypt on fractal geometry called "magic squares" in 1732. While your people were probably inbreeding, fighting/enslaving other clans, and then crying about being perpetual refugees who can't ever seem to find "beace" in their own nation due to fleeing from their own savagery . Do you know how many world leaders would love carpet bomb the hell out of somalia to displace your apparently useless population just to have your prime real estate and generate trillions off your land. In fact, there were a couple of attempts by other nations doing just that weren't there? Hell, even your dumb Arab overlords in countries like Kuwait, who were the subjects of invasion by the saddams iraq which totally destroyed the country, yet they quickly rebuilt and managed to squeeze billion dollar lemonade off of tourism, natural resources, and foreign investments alone. So, your current condition says a lot about your worth as a people. Not about civil wars or refugees in general as there have been many, more recent wars, and more significant refugee crises occurring either at the same time or more recently than your peoples. Such as(as far as the US)Former Soviet Union - 380,000 ppl, Vietnam - 182,000 ppl, Former Yugoslavia - 169,000 ppl, 4. Iraq - 106,000 ppl, 5. Myanmar - 104,000 ppl- All larger the the Somali refugee intake, yet ALL of those groups have not only managed to restore peace in their home countries(save for Iraq) handily outperform Somalis in America(who have the highest unemployment rate, lowest college graduation rate, and lowest household income. And that, the US, is your MOST successful western diaspora) and elsewhere(where your people do even worse). |
Funny thing is that immigrants tend to perform better than natives across the board, not just with black people, and not even just in America, but in other "western nations" like the UK, Canada, and Australia. So I really don't understand where all of the hoopla about "zomg teh emmigrents R dooing bettur than tah black-muricans!!! hur dur" is coming from, as if this phenomenon isn't universal. https://www.rt.com/news/immigrants-jobs-native-brits-049/ http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7723 [img]http://www.somalispot.com/attachments/350px-higher_education_in_the_us_by_race-svg-png.3538/[/img]
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Somguy:From 2002 to 2007, the number of black-owned businesses increased by 60.5 percent to 1.9 million, more than triple the national rate of 18.0 percent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's Survey of Business Owners. Over the same period, receipts generated by black-owned businesses increased 55.1 percent to $137.5 billion. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/business_ownership/cb11-24.html And please, do tell how many somali-owned FDIC chartered banks are there in the US, because after scouring the internet I can't seem to find one. Whereas there are a total 21 African-american owned FDIC chartered banks. https://hbcumoney.com/2013/03/01/2013s-african-american-owned-bank-directory/ And just for shits and giggles. This one private equity investor has more in assets than your entire nations gdp.
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Somguy:The US-Somalis in America: A Horror Story of Crime, Violence, and Now Terrorism http://newobserveronline.com/somalis-in-america-a-horror-story-of-crime-violence-and-now-terrorism/ Denmark-Wake-up call: Denmark shocked at 1000% Muslim Somali crime numbers https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...t-muslim-somali-crime-numbers/comment-page-1/ Norway-Somalis Destroy Norway http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2006/04/somalis-destroy-norway/ The UK-Somalis to blame for crime rise, says MP http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/04/race.immigrationpolicy Finland-How the Rape in Tapanila Started an Outrage Against Somalis(over represented in crime) in Finland http://finlandtoday.fi/how-the-rape-in-tapanila-started-an-outrage-against-somalis-in-finland/ Canada-Rob Ford and Canada’s “Somali Problem http://africasacountry.com/rob-ford-and-canadas-somali-problem/ Somguy:Minnesota is one of only a few states that separate HIV/AIDS statistics of African-Americans from African born. Between 2008 and 2012, African immigrants represented the largest group of immigrants living in the state of Minnesota with over half coming from eastern Africa (Gambino, Trevelyan, & Fitzwater, 2014).1 Eastern Africa is unique in that it is the second most affected region by HIV/AIDS in the world (United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime, 2013). In Minnesota, African-born immigrants experience the highest rate of HIV infection among any racial/ethnic group reported (56.2 per 100,000; Minnesota Department of Health, 2012). The epidemic of HIV/AIDS in Minnesota reflects national trends in transmission and progression. Although men who have sex with men continue to comprise the majority of people in Minnesota and the nation living with HIV/AIDS, other subpopulations including African-born residents, are observing a rise in their infection rates (Minnesota Department of Health, 2012). HIV infection has gone down for AAs. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/statistics_2012_HIV_Surveillance_Report_vol_24.pdf#Page=26 It has went up drastically for Somalis. http://amisom-au.org/2014/12/hiv-infections-on-the-rise-in-somalia/ And in 2013 there were 2,691 new infections out of a population of 3.1 million in South Central Somalia(tallying the number of infections in the other two regions{Puntland & Somaliland} was proven difficult due to the lack of health care facilities or instability.) Lets do the math to come up with an hiv infection percentage shall we. 19079/45003665 = 0.00042 x 100 = 0.042 percent of African-American were newly infected with HIV 2691/3100000 = 0.00086 x 100 = 0.086 percent of people in South Central Somalia were newly infected with HIV Somguy:KHAT: CONSUMPTION AND PROBLEMS IN SOMALIA http://www.drugtext.org/The-health-and-socio-economic-aspects-of-Khat-use/khat-consumption-and-problems-in-somalia.html So, do kindly GTFOH with your bold face lies, with all due respect. |
Only requires boilerplate responses. You'd be harder pressed to find a link between a civil war(which your hair trigger psychotic people started on their own) and a categorically backwards tradition like FGM(you people have been doing that WAYYY before your civil war) than you would historically oppression and modern marginalization in a variety of areas, especially of a minority group, with poverty and violence which btw is well attested to by just about any sociologist worth their weight in salt. But, just as a thought experiment. Let's establish some historical facts and put things in their proper context and then make a simple inference. -That the transatlantic slave trade and genocide of indigenous people didn't just happen in the US, but across the Western Hemisphere. - The descents of those Africans and Natives still live in every single one of those countries today. - It's no coincidence that all of said descendants just so happen to be the most economically disenfranchised people and live in communities plagued with issues like violence and drug addiction whether your talking about the Lakota or Navajo reservations in the US, the favelas of Brazil, the Barrios of Columbia, the First Nation rezs in Canada, or the Shanty towns of Jamaica and the Bahamas or the ghettos of the US etc etc. Therefor as Afro-diasporan TST descendants(not African immigrants) our condition is entirely in line with those of every other Afro-America or Indigenous group in the Americas. Evidence would lend credence to the hypothesis that long term historical oppression of a group of people is positively correlated with long term effects such as economic disenfranchisement, broken homes, and violence. Unless of course you can find me a historically oppressed group on the level of genocide and/or chattel enslavement (preferably in the Americas) whos HDI is more or less equal to whites or even the immigrant communities in the respective countries. Until then, the point stands that African-American are performing no worse, maybe better, than is to be expected of a group that went through what we went through. Your people on the other hand in your thousands of years of existence, have been able to remain relatively isolated from overwhelming threats and suffering people like mine of faced for most of our mere hundreds of years existence(most of which we weren't even afforded our own personal autonomy aka chattel slavery) and are still being clearly outpaced in terms of accomplishments. |
All I know is that it takes one hell of a delusion of grandeur to be a friggin somalian and attempt to grandstand against a group, like African-Americans, which by all accounts is clearly more productive, athletic, smarter, way more accomplished, and infinitely more influential on average and still babble on as if your sexual market value would even afford you the luxury to have your choice pick of mates across a wide variety of different ethnic groups. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this whole discussion. But, "do lowly beggars have the right to be picky if they want" seems to be the point of contention in this dialog. Not that I necessarily disagree with that notion, as being free to exercise ones own personal autonomy is a self evident birth right that isn't violated here in the Afr'Am community(unlike yours). So, I don't think this warrants anywhere close to the amount of expressive vigor and passion that you would think a simple personal choice to not deal with Afr'Am men would have. We don't harbor the kind of desire for obsessive control over women that would lead us honor kill or sexually mutilate our own females, so it's not like we'll seek you out and do it to you just for not liking us. I just never thought I'd see the day when subjects such as these would bring themselves to feint uppitiness towards Afr'Ams in such a matter of fact manner in the dating world of all places(don't they have MUCH bigger issues they could worrying about?). It just comes across as classical desperate overcompensation from people who're trying single out Afr'Am(men in this case) to cope with their massive inferiority complex. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. I mean, Sheet. Anyway, I want whatever these muppets are chewing. I guess I ought to try some of that 'khat' stuff. smh Talk about being big headed(no pun intended of course ) |
@BlackKenichi Yep British colonial & antebellum US slavers learned from their own mistakes and those of the Caribbeans, and were very particular about the type of Africans being brought it and held large prejudice against Igbos, due to their tendency to favor suicide as opposed to a life of enslavement and Central African Bantus(Angolans/Kongolese) due to their penchant for maroonage, encoded message drumming, and fighting styles disguised as dancing, all of which led to the stono rebellion. The aftermath of which led to a ban on drums and other loud instruments and limitations on the imports of Angolans and a major shift towards the Upper West African Sahel/Sudanic regions(which were already in high number due to the rice agriculture). Slaves from the port of Senegambia were always the majority in French Louisiana, though, and like the gullah-seminoles had close ties with "belligerent" native americans. These slaves participated in the Natchez revolt in Louisiana. |
KidStranglehold:Now, that I think about it, you're probably right. Because not only did they fight a wars over the slave trade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ndongo#The_Portuguese_Colony_of_Angola But, they fought a series of wars over colonialism too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_War_of_Independence Plus, all of the trouble they caused slavers in the New World. As you know US slavers hated them. |
KidStranglehold:My vote for the toughest would be Zulus. lol Sorry, I just can't think of anyone that out grinds them in African history. Ashantis/akan would be close second. But, Angolans even have competition from their neighbors in Congo. Don't forget the Kongo-Portuguese war. Though, Angolans did tear it up in the New World. But, so did ashantis/akan(Maroons in Jamaica). |
KidStranglehold:lol I call Mandingos the Zulus of west Africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandingo_Wars |
Fulaman198:Actually, it's mostly if not all our fault, IMO. It's our responsibility to teach & propagate our own rich histories & cultures. No one else's. If we don't then we leave the doors open for a eurocentric narrative to take hold. I was just talking to Kidstranglehold yesterday about Hollywood's appropriation of the slave narrative of America, and how we're responsible for being so apathetic about it and not acting as ambassadors for our own history. I give A LOT of credit to PBS when it comes to this stuff, but even still they are a white owned network, and we shouldn't have to turn to them for a semi-truthful account of our own history. |
Fulaman198:Being of WA descent aside, the history and cultures of this region of the earth is VERY interesting. But, the thing I HATE the most is how the contributions of people from this area played a huge role in making America what it is today is almost NEVER given it's just due. |
Fulaman198:Oh yeah. I know both Mande and Fulanis both are very prideful people and don't back down easy. Fulanis have claim to be the last major SSA Empire still standing before European totalitarian colonialism as well as challenging and beating Saadi dynasty of the Morroccan empire, but Mande have claim to the Mali empire as well as the Mandingo wars which had the French shaking in their boots. So, as you can imagine a lot of pride & ego comes into play for both groups. AAs are just proud to have ancestry from both groups. ![]() |
Fulaman198:Fulas and Mandes use to be at each other's necks. It's crazy because a lot of our Mande ancestors were sold to Europeans by Fulanis and a lot of our Fula ancestors were sold by Mandes(Mandingos in particular). Fula-Soloman, a slave in America, was actually on a mission to trade slaves himself, but was ambushed by Mandingos and sold by them to the Royal African Company and ended up in Maryland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayuba_Suleiman_Diallo Sad, but can't say he didn't have it coming, though |
Fulaman198:lol Too bad they didn't they pass on the secrets of altering ones phenotype to their descendants in America. I want some of that! |
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Fulaman198:Yeah, I was going to say that perhaps him and his wife were the predecessors to the Fulani-Krio communities of Freetown. |
Fulaman198:Funny thing is Abdul eventually made it to Freetown, Sierra Leone, with his AA wife. But, they never made it back to Futa Jallon and he was so close. lol I wonder if he just gave up the idea of living there, honestly couldn't find it, or was banished. |
KidStranglehold:Right, just think about, Mahommah Gardo of the Zarma people of Northern Benin & Burkina Faso, he came through a port in modern day Benin, not senegambia. |
Fulaman198:Correct me if I'm wrong, but Futa Jallon was located in the Sahelian/Savannah region of those countries right? |
TerryCarr:Overall, yes. Not just in some areas. First all only 32 percent of SC slaves came from Angola/Congo. Plus, SC is an outlier. Second of all, FYI, just because a slave didn't come through a Senegambian port doesn't mean that the slave didn't from the Sudan or Sahel, as a Hausa slave from modern day Niger or Northern Nigeria would be more likely to come through a port from the Windward Coast or Bight of Biafra. And, as I've already shown slave catchers had no problems venturing far into the interior of Africa to capture people for enslavement(the way North American planters preferred it). For instance, enslaved Fulani Abdul-Rahman, came through a Sierra Leonean port to Mississippi, not a senegambia one. But, his nation of origin Futa Jallon, was located in the Sahel. Third of all, those numbers are completely wrong. https://i.imgur.com/Ga4E69n.jpg |

?? Dude, the 80s called: They want their talking points back. Countless studies have shown that white people use drugs at the same rate as African-Americans and sell drugs at an even higher rate EVEN DURING THE 80s, but African-Americans are and have been historically arrested for it at a higher rate. 