Unlimited22:

I'm actually of the opinion that both need work, however with Palmer and Nkunku we have a solid platform. Just need to add a LW like, say, Nico Williams. Palmer and Nkunku are both G/A demons, Nico knows how to play, and maybe give Jackson a second bite at the cherry.

The defense, however, is a total shambles because Brodashile and Disaster are mid clowns, Fofana has legs made of glass, and Colwill, while good, isn't quite there yet. The left back position i won't even speak about, while Reece James is a certified doctor. We need at least two quality CB and one LB.

That defence is in a state of emergency. We have no single reliable defender. Adding an experienced center back is paramount as that will help Disasi who seem to be the most passionate defender we have. He just needs someone with experience who can help him improve his positioning. David Alaba would have been perfect if not for his injury.

We need another left back too as Chillwell and Cucu shouldn't be trusted at all. I wouldn't mind Theo Hernandez at 45 to 50M and Cucu as back up.

We also need a decent right back to compete with Gusto and keep him on his toes. Tino Livramento for 30M won't be bad. My eyes already favors him due to his good recovery pace.

The management has a lot of work to do as they should package Fofana, James and Chillwell by giving them careful minutes and ship them to an unsuspecting buyer. At least, their wages and medical bills will be off our books.

Chalobah, Gallagher and Broja should be sold to keep us on the positive side of financial fair play.

Sterling should be pleaded with to accept a move to Saudi, at least we can get some crumbs from his move.

We can enquire from Son to see if he is tired of struggling with Spurs.

Acquiring Xavi Simons, Son and those defenders suggested above will put us back on track to compete for major trophies.

popizaino:


What trophy did Ballack win prior to being named the uefa midfielder of the year in 2002?


Where is Harry kane's trophy to be classified as a world class and don't give me your own cock and bull excuse of not so big team because that's why there is europa,FA cup....if big teams are to win the major ones before we can categorise their players as world class then small teams also need to win the minor ones like europa and Fa Cup. Thus where is Harry Kane's trophy with spurs?

How does winning midfielder of the year mean consistency? Work on your logic bro.

Kane's time with spurs doesn't fit into my earlier submission about world class players so rest with these counterintuitive epistles.

BlueRayDick:




Now this explains ur stand on this whole issue, u guys have things easy over there.

Here in Lagos, if ur transformer gets faulty and NEPA take it away for repairs for let's say 6 months, for those 6 months u will get regular estimated billing which u are expected to pay. If u don't pay, when ur transformer is back and u want to start enjoying light they will come to disconnect ur light. U will be forced to pay the crazy bill in the long run or resort to bribing NEPA officials.

In fact let me tell u about the area where I grew up. Not far from our house , there's a building that has always been empty. I never saw the owners of that building until I was teen . My parents said before I was born the owners of that building travelled abroad but they kept the building with their properties in it intact without anybody living in the house

Despite knowing nobody lives in the house, NEPA kept on dumping estimated billing on them. Meanwhile, NEPA had long disconnected their light o. When those people came to Nigeria, they had to go to NEPA make a deal to pay a substantial part of the crazy estimated bill over the years before their light was reconnected. The family stayed for less than 6 months before they travelled back . Then NEPA continued their nonsense.

If Nepa cuts your light and you refuse to pay, rest assured they will bring another bill for your wireless compound

8 mentions from Popizaino and they are all incoherent. I wonder how all those meaningless mentions negates what I said.

A player who plays for a competitive club capable of challenging for major trophies must show consistent high performance and win trophies for his team.

Kane has shown consistent level of high performance for more than 10 years and can be excused for not winning trophies due to not playing for a big team. Obviously, if he played for a big team all these years, he would have had enough trophies.

Same Ballack who has won multiple trophies with Bayern and also won the EPL with Chelsea? Is that not a testament to my claim that world class players win trophies with their competitive teams?

popizaino:



You can't be twisting word to suit your own narrative. In one world,you have to have won trophy to be considered a world class and another breath,the team matters.


So today Tottenham doesn't have financial power to compete with big boys but when you were rubbishing Pochettino's Tottenham performance you forgot this financial power. Colour me double standard.

Maybe leceister city had the financial power when they won the league.

If you can't defend your ridiculous points then Harry kane is not a worldclass player according to your own criteria.

You are ridiculous. My opinion is self exploratory to those with an open mind. My initial statement said "As long as the player plays for a team capable of challenging for major trophies ".

Kane didn't fall into this category by virtue of playing for Spurs until this season.

popizaino:


Ridiculous.

How will worldclass be tied to your ability to win trophies? You are ridiculous abeg.


Even in academics 75 is a Excellent and 68 is very good. If Saka is rated as excellent in every game what makes him not a world class player?

So let say you scored 95% in a given course and another person scored 100% to win the prize of the best student in that particular course, does the fact you didn't win the prize makes you less of an excellent in that particular course after scoring 95% ?

You and false equivalence. If you were a lawyer, you will lose all your cases and even get disbarred.

You can't have excellent ratings in every game and don't win major trophies. Reason is simple, no one is rated excellently (95%) in a game in which his team lost.

popizaino:



No watches Saka and come up with this. Funny enough this same you watched Havertz and saw world class.

Smh

You are being emotional here. I never called Havertz world class. I only identified him as a good player and hoped he will show consistency.

nihilistjnr:


Well Kane is about to go trophiless with Bayern in a season where he has been breaking all kinds of goal scoring records in the process.

Is he currently world class or not?

Kane's longevity makes him world class player especially, considering the fact that he was playing for a weak spurs.

Even if he doesn't win a trophy with Bayern, you can trust him to remain consistent and win it next season.

popizaino:


That you think worldclass is winning rather than performance shouldn't make me engage you again. So who caused penalty for England in that match?

So you needed a win from Brazil in 1998 in the finals to confirm Ronaldo delima as a worldclass striker rather than his performance that very day? Remember Ronaldo did not score or assist?

Why do you keep proving to me that you cannot make football decisions on your own when raumdeu.ter isn't involved?

So because Saka won a penalty against France, that makes his performance on that day better than every Palmer's compilation this season? Shocking claim!

Your argument is exhausting because you draw the most absurd false equivalence to defend your claim.
Ronaldo who already won a world cup, Copa America, Top scored in la Liga, and won a balon d'or before 1998 world cup is who you are asking me about. He had consistency and major trophies to make him a world class player.

You will look for another player and drag this argument to eternity. I can't be responding to weak arguments.

popizaino:



Keep that respect, i don't need your confirmation on what i know about myself. So carry along are also worldclass player by virtue of being fortunate to be in a winning team right?

Maybe the last time Assnal had a worldclass player is when they last won the golden epl according to your nauseating logic.


Every Greece 🇬🇷 player that won the Euro in 2004 were worldclass mr logic.


Fernando Torres wasn't a worldclass striker at Liverpool because he couldn't win anything.


Luis Suarez for Liverpool wasn't a worldclass player till he got to Barcelona.

Michael Ballack wasn't a worldclass midfielder in 2002 when he won uefa midfielder of the year because he didn't win any trophy.

Thank you for defining worldclass as trophy rather than individual performance.

Your argument is so easy to tear apart. But you can be forgiven for not reading along to where I made a clearer definition of a world class player.

Two key words define a world class player, consistency in performance overtime and trophies to show for it. As long as one plays for a competitive club, he has to be consistent and also win major trophies to be regarded as world class.

So go back to your argument and educate yourself.

Jodera:


Defence failure and organisation.

You guys were up 2-nil and guys here were already saying the defence will concede, yet they didn't just concede one but 3.

Who even gave that backpass to Garnacho?
Was it not Caicedo (a DM) if I'm not

He didn't anticipate that Bandiashile will be stupid enough to stay close to him instead of opening up to receive his pass and recycle possession.

Later, Bandiashile sent a through ball to Anthony who assisted Garnacho.

Jodera:

No no no!

I'm not talking about divided opinions here on Nairaland but other sports platforms as well. Jorginho is always criticized (even though I agree here it's one of the highest). In fact, on different platforms, so many Chelsea fans were glad Jorginho left and many arsenal fans were sad we bought Jorginho.

That itself negates any world class player tag you would want to give him.

As for coaches starting him, he's a good player quite alright so yeah.
But World class?? No ooo!!

A good player, coaches always prefer him and he reached the pinnacle of European recognition... sounds like worldclass to me.

Skimpledawg:

Lmao.

Na me and Timbros go be referees.

I thought you were a real apostle.

Jodera:

What sort of consistency?
High quality Consistency at Chelsea?

He came to Chelsea around 2018 or so.

From 2018 to 2021, he won't have divided opinions amongst your fan base if he showed high quality Consistency. It's a fact!

Only that singular fact is enough not to place him as would class cos world class players are undoubted.

This divided opinion was created by one particular fraud here. Jorginho is gone and we are still battling our woes.

Why not trust the opinion of his managers who always use him and forget about the clowns here who said Chelsea will start competing for the league immediately Jorginho is gone.

Vischy:


Kdb
Haaland
Rodri
Walker
Ruben dias

These players can function perfectly well in any team aside mancity.

Good, you sabi ball.

Jodera:

Any player that has majority of its fan divided against him and that most of the fans are even happy he left is certainly not a world class.

You yourselves said consistent good performances of at least 3-5 yrs or maybe more but here you are painting Jorginho world class for just one season he arguably "shone"

He showed consistency in his role which earned him a move to Chelsea. When he competed with a good manager, he showed the world what he can do.

Vischy:


At the bolded is the funniest logic l have seen this morning 😂😂😂😂

No player in Arsenal has gotten close to Jorginho's peak.

Kimbeast:

You are ridiculing your own logic. So winning trophies no longer makes a player world class? Your logic is neither consistent or stands scrutiny. If Saka Isn't world class because of lack of trophies then Foden should be world class. Now if you are admitting Foden is not world class then neither is Haaland as well. You see how ridiculous that sounds.


Claiming Arsenal have no world class player aside jorginho is just ludicrous.

I don't like engaging in fruitless discourse. That a team win trophies doesn't make all their players world class please. But for a player who has maintained consistent level of high Performance over years and has trophies to show is a worldclass player.

Has Folden shown consistent level of high performance over the years? No. Does he have the potential to? Yes. When did Folden become a guaranteed starter sef?

Haaland has shown consistency in front of goal even before coming to City and when he joined City which is a competitive team, he now has trophies to show. Of course, he has proven himself to be a world class player.

Jorginho reached a very high peak in football and has an Euro and UCL, UEFA player of the year and nearly won a balon d'or. If that is not world class, then I don't know what is.

afrodoc2:



Just seeing this. I am just talking about the eye test.
Your abilities are your abilities. Whether you are able to execute those abilities in big game situations or you choke is another debate, but it does not mean you never had those abilities.

An example is Henry underperforming a lot in finals but Drogba becomes Azor Ahai at least in club finals. It does not however change their specific qualities.

Saka on the eye test makes intelligent decisions, has good technique, and good speed/acceleration. If you watched him and saw NOTHING, then we will have to agree to disagree.

On the contrary, when I watch him, I see nothing. He has no natural winger's flair, not good at passing and poor shooting ability. His first touch is not even tidy sef.
I don't see him make defence splitting passes or create something out of nothing. Only plays to the manager's instruction. So when you checkmate the manager, he becomes useless.

Kimbeast:

This logic is so flawed. So because Man city have won trophies Foden is world class but because Arsenal haven't then Saka is not world class lol. You are shouting big team without winning trophies like Arsenal have been dominating for years. They literally became good last season here. Their previous league finishes was 8th, 8th and then 5th. Saliba has been world class over the last two seasons, Arsenal winning a trophy or not doesn't change that. Same with odegaard and others.

Who said Foden is world class? He has yet to show consistency in performance to be classified as such but the potential is there.

Arsenal have no world class player aside Jorginho. When they start winning major trophies, the consistent players amongst them will be judged as world class performers.

Jodera:
This season he's been carrying niggling injuries which have been affecting his play a while now.

If you're only using this season to assess him(when he's played like 3 seasons of good football), then it's unfair on him from you.

Actually, I am not being unfair. In these past 3 seasons, which of his performances has taken Arsenal beyond the edge?

In those title deciding games, he has been largely underwhelming. I am sure last season's title deciding game vs City at the Etihad is still fresh in your memory.

timbros:


The same Sterling and Jackson he is deflecting the argument towards, are Chelsea's top 3 goal contributors this season, including Palmer.


Palmer 24 GA
Jackson 12 GA
Sterling 10 GA

But no, they are Chelsea's problem in an attack that is on 53 goals so far.

And faultless defence has conceded 50. It almost feels as if our attacks major opposition is our defence, and not opponents.

If we rate our defenders contribution by number of clean sheets, we will resort to donating their salaries to charity.

forgiveness:


Average technique that took England to euro finals? Dey play.

So without Saka, England wouldn't have gotten so far? I think you are the one playing.

Jodera:

Are you talking about this season Saka or previous seasons?

You can't watch Saka of previous seasons and come out with this conclusion. Well it's your opinion tho

He is not having a bad season so I will use this season to assess him. He better turns up against Bayern, otherwise I will cancel him indefinitely.

Thazard:
Yes, it fit in directly in your description. Like round pegs in round holes and square pegs in square holes.

How does Tottenham fit into my description of big teams?

Jodera:

So that means you necessarily don't have to win trophies for you to be rated as World class then.

I'm not saying Saka is world class, just clearing the air of you saying one must win trophy to be graded as world class (though it's very important)

Read my post calmly. I said as long as a player plays for a big team capable of competing for major trophies and fails to win anything after repeated trials, he can't be regarded as world class.

Therefore two things makes a player World class; consistency in performance for at least 5 years or maybe more and trophies to show for it.

hensben:
Jorginho or Partey sit for Rice to roam freely in that midfield same is not for Caceido. Rice doesn’t have the tactical ability to sit, Caceido is a bit better at it but his area of strength is box to box. How is this difficult to understand.

For the first time, I agree with you. Being a very good DM requires high level of intelligence in positional awareness and discipline.

Caicedo is too foolish to be a DM.

timbros:


Shut up man! Just sit this one out.

Don't even try to narrow your argument to specific players. Your argument all along have been Chelsea attack. Have Sterling and Jackson not been part of the attack that have been scoring 2 or more goals consistently? You are a clown! The same Sterling that came in against Burnley and drop an assist sharp sharp and your okay defence spoilt his harwork?

All the "attack vs defence" that is littering this thread, why haven't you corrected everyone that it's Sterling and Jackson that is your problem not Chelsea attack? Should I show you all your "Fix the attack. Period." comments? You don't know we have Palmer all this while when you are maligning Chelsea attack?

You are a clown, I swear.

He is not smart at all. He makes argument against him so easy. Saying rubbish as if Palmer was suspended against that infamous Burnley game.

Thazard:
Harry Kane and Tottenham says Hi

So after reading my post, you still mentioned Tottenham.

Jodera:

How would you Rate Kane?

Top Striker or World class Striker??

World class Striker of course by virtue of his longevity in his craft and most importantly because I know that his lack of trophies is simply because of the team he used to play for before now. TOT never had the financial power to compete for trophies with the big boys.

afrodoc2:


That is because Saka is an intelligent player who also has high level traits, both technically and physically. Due to the fact that he is balanced physically, technically, and has the intelligence to make appropriate decisions he will always be a threat.

Pacy players often have technical and/or decision-making problems (Rashy, Mudryk, Adam Traore). Technical players often do not have any pace or acceleration. There are players with pace and technique but poor decision-making. Saka checks the box in all 3 phases.

Maybe I need to start watching Arsenal vs Burnley, Sheffield united, Fulham, Luton Town to see all these qualities. Sadly, I don't have such time.

I have personally come to observe him vs Chelsea, Liverpool, Man u, Man city, Porto and I saw nothing.

These are the type of games I rate players from, not against significantly weaker opposition.

Android17:
Neither he nor Palmer are worldclass yet. They need to do more. Palmer has to replicate a season like this and Saka has to win something tangible. The potential is there for both.

Never said Palmer is world class yet, but neither is Saka and I was just letting him know that.