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italo:
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=57906

Christian women and children are being bought and sold as slaves, typically for sex, but also for labor in the Islamic State. Meanwhile, men and boys are forced to convert to Islam or are put to death according to mounting evidence collected from the region.

Although the Islamic State only publishes official propaganda, its dark side is being revealed by documents and the testimonies of people who flee the oppressive, theocratic regime.

Among the most chilling documents is a price list, obtained by Iraqinews.com, and it reveals the prices that Sunnis can pay to purchase a Christian woman or girl for marriage or slavery. Young women and even children are used for sex and are even employed in brothels. Older women are put into domestic servitude.

Prices range from $40 to $160 dollars for women, with young girls fetching the highest price.

The Islamic State does not recognize marriages from outside Sunni Islam so Christian husbands and wives have reported being split from one another, even if they agree to convert to Islam. The fighters have also boasted of stealing Christians wives for themselves.

The most expensive - and desired slaves are children between one and nine. Child marriage and pedophilia are part of their belief, so it is condoned by religious authorities within the Islamic State. This means that within the territory they control, men are raping children on a routine basis and the world is doing nothing to save these children.

Pedophile terrorists are virtually impossible to appease, and they certainly know that the world will be relentless in its pursuit of justice against them. The Islamic State will not likely negotiate a truce or abide by any agreement which conflicts with their religious views. Tragically, slavery and rape are acceptable behaviors in their belief.

A number of Christians, Yazidis and even Jews are reported to be jailed in Islamic State prisons because they did not flee and instead opted to pay the jizyah, a monthly tax for being another religion. These people are being kept alive in the hopes their families will pay, and this serves as a source of funding for the Islamic State.

The Islamic State is flush with cash, but complications resulting from combat to the drop in oil prices have all diminished the revenues of the Islamic State, making it increasingly difficult for them to continue operations against their neighbors.

Meanwhile, for Christians the situation remains exceptionally dire with untold numbers now being held in slavery or in prison, or forced into Islam against their will. It is also unknown how many Christians have been killed by the Islamic State for refusing to convert to Islam or some other infraction.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing himself a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restrained to four wives, but, following the example of their prophet, may also have sex with any number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:

Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."

You quoted all most all of the verses out of context and you hid the part of verses , There were battle in Islam before and there were captives
and it was permitted to MARRY them If the entered ' Islam " and not have illegal sex as you hid half of the Quran's verse

which is 4:24 (you hid the bolded blue)

''And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.''

similar are other verses you take out of context , refer explanation of Noble Quran from Tafsir ibn abbas
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=4&tAyahNo=24&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

Islam is the first religion to apply etiquettes of war. Get the RIGHT answer from the Qur'an and Prophet' s life example but not from some so called 'Muslims' who are misguided...

Quran 22:40 '' .........it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries,
churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned..........''

If there was a War in this World without injustice and atrocities it was the war (for self defence ) by Muslims during Prophets
times who were PROHIBITED to attack women( no raping business) and children or the aged who did not take arms and prohibited were the Monasteries, Synagogues, Churches and the pious people in them and prohibited were the cutting of trees ,destruction of houses and public places like schools, libraries etc and the Prisoners of war were fed 'twice' a day though the Muslims during war ate once or did not have
enough to eat .

You cannot take Isis and Boko haram as the followers of islam , they are following their Ego and political needs and spoiling the name of islam as said in a hadith,

Al Tirmidhi (no.2229) and others record the following hadith:
abu Dhar said, "I was with the Prophet (SAW) one day and I heard him saing: "There is something I fear for my Ummah than the Dajjal."
It was then that I became afraid, so I said: " Oh Rasool Allah! Which thing is that?" He (SAW) said; "Misguided and astray scholars''

Here isa good example from our Prophet(pbuh) here in PRECISE -SHORTENED



Here's the Taif incident in short. .Prophet(sal) shunned away by the leaders of Taif- Hooligans and kids are ordered to throw stones on Prophet - not cursing them even angel of mountain wants to crush them- after few years in the battle of Hunain-Taif(Thakif tribe)- Muslim Army being cheated attacking from hiding behind mountains( face to face was usual norm)- Taif army flee to their forts and besieged by Muslim army-. goods of war already distributed except captives-.Taif soldiers surrender and beg prophet to return their families - Prophet forgives and return their families- their leaders surrender after 80 days but their families already been distributed as slaves- they beg too- prophet asks them to be returned-- owners or their masters(new Meccan converts) are unwilling to return them- PROPHET PAYS HIS OWN MONEY AND RETURNS THEIR WIVES AND KIDS TO THEIR LEADERS (to those people who WORSTLY ILL treated their GUEST '' Muhammad'' only because he said "" WORSHIP ONE GOD DO NOT ASSOCIATE PARTNERS WITH HIM''). similar are 100'S OF INCIDENTS were Prophet lived to show his Heart of forgivingness and kindness NO WONDER Quran says he is the best of examples.?







and you did not quote the GOOD PART of Islam as below

Sayyidina Abu Dharr reported that Allah’s Messenger said, “(They are) your brothers whom Allah has caused to grow young under your hands.[/color] Hence, he, under whose hand is his brother, must feed him from his own food and clothe him from his own clothing,and not burden him with what he cannot do. If he burdens him with what he cannot do”.then he must lend him a hand Bukhari 2545, Muslim 16611]

Zakaat (alms) are for the poor and the needy, and those employed to the management of its collection: for those whose hearts have
been (recently) reconciled to truth; and[b] in freeing slaves.....[/b][color=#000099].
(9 : 60)

And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (for emancipation) give them[color=#000099][/color] such a deed if you know any good in them; and give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you.
(24 : 33)

The attackers of Islam use this verse 9:29 and claim something Which is MOST UNFAIR & Blunt Lies.

Noble Quran 9:29 '' Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.''

(Noble Quran )Tafsir ibn Abbas(raa)
(Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture) the Jews and Christians (as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day) nor in the bliss of Paradise, (and forbid not) in the Torah (that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth) do not submit themselves to Allah through confession of Allah's divine Oneness, (until they pay the tribute readily) standing: from hand to hand, (being brought low) abased.

Its refers to the Jews & christians who boasted being chosen people of God ie very Pious but never abstained from Haram or prohibitted things ie never lived by it (covenant)EVEN FROM THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES so these people were to be fought till they were humbled and followed ATLEAST their books firmly by avoiding the prohibitions seen there like adultery, wine,swine, usury.

Just Imagine a Islamic neighbourhood sticking to their purity and a next Neighbour a drunkard playing music and exhibit erotic , fondelling moves with his fiancee or a LovePeddler on a open terrace or a visible lawn, lol, this is ok for him but not for that pure community then under Prophet (pbuh ) and the muslim children will learn from their neighbour, on Such time those who arrogant defying rules of the Islamic state has to be fought untill they are humbled and pay jizzya as well which is just a tax in lieu on non participation in Muslim army but can get get protection from the Muslim army regarding his LIFE & PROPERTY like every other Muslim is entitled to, and Prophet has warned the Muslims something like if anybody harms or kills such NON MUSLIMS under Islamic state protection he will not smell the fragrance of paradise.

This incident will prove what was the actual aim of Jizzya. During the reign of the second caliph, ‘Umar bin al-Khattaab may Allaah be pleased with him the Roman emperor, Heraclius, raised a huge army to repel the Muslim forces. It was, thus, incumbent upon the Muslims to concentrate their efforts on the battle. When the commander of the Muslims, Abu ‘Ubaydah may Allaah be pleased with him heard this news, he wrote to his officials in all conquered cities in Syria and ordered them to return the Jizyah which had been levied in those cities. He also addressed the public saying; “We are returning your money because we know that the enemy has gathered troops. By the terms stipulated in the covenant, you have obliged us to protect you. However, since we are now unable to fulfil these conditions, we have returned to you what you paid to us. We shall abide by the terms agreed upon in the covenant, if Allaah helps us to rout the enemy”. Thus, a huge amount was taken from the state treasury and returned to the Christians, making them very happy. They prayed for and blessed the Muslim commanders. They exclaimed: “May Allaah help you to overcome your enemies and return you to us safely. [U]If the enemy were in your place, they would never have returned anything to us, rather they would have taken all our remaining property!"

We see that Muslims not only allowed Christians to remain Christians but that the Christians themselves preferred Muslim rule over that of Heraclius, who was himself a Christian

peteregwu:
Why are there so many misconceptions about
Islam?

GROSS Misconceptions about Islam

1. The Quran is true because “Allah” said so.

All the earliest known copies of the Quran are from
the 8th Century and have many variations and
contradictions. The Quran has been edited many
times to make it easier to “recite.”

Shows that the Mind of this Article writer is filled with ONLY CRAP and nothing else. The First Quran was compiled in 633 AD and the same was reaffirmed in 653 AD by the same Cheif Zaid Bin Thabbit under the Caliph Uthman (Son in Law of Prophet Muhammad(phuh) who wanted to make a standard version in Quraishi dialect and to distribute it as far as China borders and were voweled later only to avoid the Difference of Opinion in pronounciation because of Non arabs accepting Islam . Quran is More preserved as Momorization right from the days of Prophet(pbuh) wer 1000's of Memorizers were present which was the best way those days because Printing press came only after 1000 years later and Muslims cannot hold the Quran in their hands during 5 times daily prayers as others do, So Memorization was the best even kids did memorized then and now and its a miracle of its own. There was no variations except some difference of Opinions in the arrangement of 3 Suras 1,114,115( 18 verses) and nothing was changed as per the first copy brought from Hafsa(ra) and was returned back to her and others bits and parchments that were collected were burnt in order to avoid any confusion of different dialects & mischeif by hypocrites.

See the video of the Oldest Quran by Uthman and the same is proved Authentic by the Radio carbon analysis at Oxford Lab unders Christies Auctions company.

THE LINK FOR PROOF OF UTHMANIC QURAN'S RADIO CARBON ANALYSIS TEST BY OXFORD LAB PROVES THE DATE BETWEEN 595 to 855 AD SO THE CORRECT ANSWER is '' 653 AD ''

the link is http://www.kunstkamera.ru/files/lib/...1-178-7_12.pdf

and here is that Quran in Tashkent, Uzbekistan.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPYHCUARxsw

peteregwu:
2. Anything that benefits Islam is good.

Muslims may lie, cheat, steal, murder in the name
of “Allah” if promotes Islam’s position. “Allah” is
pleased when his slaves take advantage of non-
Muslims.

A car cannot be blamed for a drivers fault, Islam cannot be blamed for its worst followers. Our Caliph taught this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3JRs9_jvB8

3. Islam is the fastest growing religion.

Most Muslims are born into a Muslim family and
as a child accept the teachings and traditions of
their culture. Most of them never mature enough to
seek the truth and research the history and
development of Islam.[/quote]By not knowing islam they actually become bad see these video reverts become the best after entering Islam leaving drugs, thefts to the best


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3TAmwejSE

peteregwu:
4. Islam is a religion of “peace” and “tolerance.”

Islam has always been an aggressive ideology.
Ever since Muhammad first led his hordes of evil
men to INVADE Israel to rape, murder and pillage
Jerusalem and then OCCUPY the conquered, his
followers have continued his aggression.

This is the greatest slander of the millenium , Its exactly opposite. Islam for the first time protected minority rights, during war it banned the killing or touching of Women, children, old people, destruction of public places , religious places and that why in this Video people welcomed Islam

The seriousness with which the Muslims took their covenants with the non-Muslims is well illustrated by the following incident. During the reign of the second caliph, ‘Umar bin al-Khattaab may Allaah be pleased with him the Roman emperor, Heraclius, raised a huge army to repel the Muslim forces. It was, thus, incumbent upon the Muslims to concentrate their efforts on the battle. When the commander of the Muslims, Abu ‘Ubaydah may Allaah be pleased with him heard this news, he wrote to his officials in all conquered cities in Syria and ordered them to return the Jizyah which had been levied in those cities. He also addressed the public saying; “We are returning your money because we know that the enemy has gathered troops. By the terms stipulated in the covenant, We have obliged us to protect you. However, since we are now unable to fulfil these conditions, we have returned to you what you paid to us. We shall abide by the terms agreed upon in the covenant, if Allaah helps us to rout the enemy”. Thus, a huge amount was taken from the state treasury and returned to the Christians, making them very happy. They prayed for and blessed the Muslim commanders. They exclaimed: “May Allaah help you to overcome your enemies and return you to us safely. If the enemy were in your place, they would never have returned anything to us, rather they would have taken all our remaining property!"

We see that Muslims not only allowed Christians to remain Christians but that the Christians themselves preferred Muslim rule over that of Heraclius, who was himself a Christian.

peteregwu:
5. Islam’s crusades are to “convert” the infidels,
the “kafirs.”
Islam is a lust driven ideology with the promise of
“paradise” to those killed in battle. The promise of
women, wealth and fleshly desires all appeal to the
carnal appetites of man. Therefore, Islam continues
its 1400 years of Crusades against civilization,
driven by lust to rape, steal and destroy in the
name of “Allah.”

There is no compulsion in religion is the verse of noble Quran 2:256. So its just EXACTLY opposite see the above video for proof in the Keys of Jerusalem

peteregwu:
6. Islam is the best “way of life” for all people.

EVERY nation in which Islam gains control by
conquest or deceit, that nation begins to decline
socially, intellectually, economically and politically.
Islam does not encourage education and learning
but rather stifles, hinders and restricts the
advancement of the arts and sciences. Over HALF
of ALL Muslims today are illiterate.

see the above answer. The pagans, sheep ,camel herders became rulers of the World after accepting Islam.

peteregwu:
7. The Quran is “perfect.”
Nothing could be further from the truth. The Quran
has never been authenticated in its original text. It
is only a collection of stories, legends and old Arab
tales. Much of the Quran was copied from various
sources. The Quran has been errors.

Quran enlightened the Torah from becoming polytheist relgion and also saved Jesus & his mother being slandered with filthy words by Glorifying them from the filthy words of Jews. united the christians and Jews for the first time proving both books camr from same source.previous to this they were fighting each claiming the other copied holy books from them . The Quran was the first book to claim Pharaoh body was saved unile in both OT & NT no news or knowledge about it untill 1898 when the body of Pharaoh of exodus was found. Shows the Author of Quran was the God of Moses who saved the Isrealites

peteregwu:
8. Women are honored in Islam.

According to the Quran women are regarded as a
“possession” to be used. They can be beaten,
divorced at will and their testimony is virtually
worthless. One man can testify against a woman
but a woman requires four Muslim men to testify in
her behalf. A woman gets less respect and less
inheritance than her brother.

Islam was the first religion which gave property inheritance rights. Its encouraged widow remarriage unlike christianity widow remarriage was Prohibited. testimony of two women was ONLY for buisness matters listen to Dr zakir naik video . islam banned the burying of Girls live by the Pagans. Quran said women do have rights on men like men have on them but move are to the head of the family and earn and feed the women plus provide clothing and shelter. Proof see below matthew

WIDOWS CANNOT REMARRY
Matthew 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife except for sexual unfaithfulness forces her to commit adultery. And
whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

peteregwu:
9. Islam’s paradise will be worth it all.

Islam’s paradise is all for MEN’s desires: women,
wine and luxury. Women get nothing – if they
make it.

Shows your ignorance. Righteous wife will become the Queen for his husband if both were righteous.

Courtesy: Armageddon news[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashama_ibn-Abjar

Ashama ibn-Abjar
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to Arabic sources, Aṣḥama ibn Abjar was Emperor or al-Najashi (Arabic: النجاشي al-Najāshī) of Aksum at the time of Muhammad, and gave refuge to several Muslims in the Kingdom of Aksum. The term "al-Najashi" has the variant al-Negashi; it corresponds to the ancient Aksumite title Negus, with the variant Negash. The name "Ashama" seems to correspond to the original Ge'ez name Ella-Seham, variant Sahama. This is an Aksumite king known from coinage.[1] According to other authors, Ashama may have been the same person as king Armah, or his father or son.[2] Taddesse Tamrat records that the inhabitants of Wiqro, where he is known as Ashamat al-Negashi claim his tomb is located in their village.

Hi, & asalam, peace & greetings,

Has anybody has any info about the remnants of this King Ashama for whom our Prophet (pbuh) prayed Funeral prayer in absentia the same day . Thanks for responding.

Here is a Copy & paste from another web

Its not JUST said but it PROVED 100 % from records and letters (below) of reply of the King Ashama of Abyssinia HE accepted Islam (614 CE) immediately from the leader of the Migrated Muslims Jaafar (radiyallahu anhu) with tears and shunned away the Pagans who were trying to persuade the King with Expensive Gifts just to kick out the emigrant Muslims totalling about 100 including women. There are letters to & fro between our Prophet (pbuh) and the King which can seen in the below thread link.

When Prophet (pbuh) was in Medina about Angel Gibraeel informed the death of the King Ashama on the same day of death and Prophet held a Congregation with all companions saying something like we will pray for our pious servent of Allah Ashama now he is dead.

Letters to the Kings of the world from Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) file

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...ers+of+prophet

Hadiths Sahih Muslim

(1) Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) offered prayer for Ashama, the Negus, and recited four takbirs. (Book #004, Hadith #2080)

(2) Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There died today the pious servant of Allah, Ashama. So he stood up and led us in (funeral prayer) over him. (Book #004, Hadith #2081)

thorpido:
You have only come to give me more bullsh**t.Muhammed is alive today and you can see him in people with beards?Where did you go to school?Was it just quranic school

thorpido:
Muhammed is DEAD with a grave,get it?Jesus spoke about a Spirit(Muhammed was not a spirit)

No you are wrongm kindly read the verse again where jesus says '' another comforter LIKE ME , the SPIRIT of truth

John 14:16-18Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

16 and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another comforting Counselor like me, the Spirit of Truth, to be with you forever.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+14%3A16-18&version=CJB

and atleast keep 30 % for the margin of error but according to us we keep 85 % as the margin of Error

thorpido:
and He said He(Person)will live for ever.It is not ambiguous.He was not speaking about any message living in people with beards.That is twisting words.

Anyway,Jesus said they in darkness will not come to the light.

I spoke about the original Torah.

Kindly think without Prejudice,Who ever truly loves SOME ONE than he follows them their style. You can still SEE Elvis Presley in his fans and See Michael Jackson live in his fans[b] who talk like MJ , who walk like MJ[/color] [/b] that means MJ is living but Alas Jesus in not living , he is a Jew who did not eat Pork but Christians eat, he said not to drink wine but they made him to drink .

Not forgetting the Noble Quran still preserved 100% (no change of 1 word )in its Original language of revelation Arabic unlike NT which was written in Aramaic than to Greek, Latin and English undergoing influences of those languages who worshiped the King as gods , Jupiter the Greek God had sex with Hercules's mother to become a son of god.

thorpido:
Don't bother trying to explain more.It will come with further twist[/color] that is unfruitful.
I commend you for trying.

I am NOT trying to impose my views on you or anybody nor I am twisting the verses. If You call this of mine which weighs in my favour more than 80% AS A ''TWIST" than the Christians are the BIGGEST twisters than me, [color=#000099]when you took ' I & my Father are One ' My Lord My God ' ' I am before Abraham'etc verses are only 50/50 but still you took them as the fundamentals to faith and Trinity

See this Atheist Doctor video what he says about trinity at 7 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUYJwYwx-9g

thorpido:
Nice try.At least you tried to do some research.

However,you still spew the same bulls**t a lot of Islamic scholars spew.
Who are these 'prophet' Verdas and Zoraster you speak about?Certainly not prophets of God but some people masquerading as one

Noble quran says messengers of God were sent to all nations, languages of the world. Vedhas also talk about Abrahm, the Circumcised. Zend Avesta Also talks about . both are about 4000 and 2500 years old respectively.

thorpido:
.Anyone can claim anything so 'men' can claim they saw some lost books and they are the ones to say the gospel in the bible is not the original just as the quran has done.The question still stand:where is that original?

Original of Gospel Or Quran , which are you talking about ?

thorpido:
Muhammed was not the only man who could not read.There were prophets in the old testament who certainly could not read and that part in Isaiah didn't not refer to Muhammed.There was nothing there to suggest it was him.

John 14 and 16 has to be the biggest falsehood muslims try to use to get Muhammed into the books.DON'T YOU PEOPLE READ?Those words are in english.Jesus said the Comforter[b] will abide with you forever.Is Muhammed still alive?[/b]He's dead,done dead so that could not be him..

Yes Muhammad(pbuh) is alive with his ever preserved undistorted Noble Quran and the sunnah , way of Life. if you want to see him you can see any of religious Muslim in theirr attire with a beard. But You can't see Jesus , even the Pope and Priests does not look like Jesus with a beard and Do not pray like Jesus , while Muslims do pray by placing their head on the floor.

Noble Quran is forever (no change even modern inventions can be accomodated) untill the last days of the world ie Forever, unlike bible thats has words of 40 authors and its a mixed Cocktail so thats why there are 41,000 denominations in Christianity and imprisoning of Galileo happened since its heresy. Islam do has about about 10 denominations but still EXCEPT ONE (Fanatic Shias- good shias are also there) every one has the same fundamental that Allah is one worthy to be worshiped and Muhammad is the slave and messenger oF Allah and they divided in petty issues.

thorpido:
Jesus said he will take of me and show it to you.Did Muhammed take of Jesus?

Yes Prophet Muhammad took the Prophet hood of Jesus and continued of showing One true God and all the truths regarding his Teachings and even so called death which was a assumption when there were no disciples left with him during it.

thorpido:
Jesus said he will bear witness of me?Did Muhammed come to bear witness of Jesus?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=JOHN+16%3A12-14&version=CJB

12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 However, when the Spirit of Truth comes,[/color] he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative but will say only what he hears. He will also announce to you the events of the future.
14 He will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and announce it to you.

MEANINGS OF THE ABOVE VERSE OF JOHN 16:12-14 by parts

Spirit of truth :[/color] Its a Figure of speech that he is truthful person like a man of wealth even if did have money in his pocket. The verses says Jesus says spirit of Truth LIKE ME means Jesus is a Truthful Person and all prophets are as this was title Al ameen , assaadique to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).n he said that '' SPIRIT OF TRUTH LIKE ME '' (as in see below John 14) does not mean spirit because Jesus was in Flesh at that time when he said that John 14:16-18Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

16 and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another comforting Counselor like me, the Spirit of Truth, to be with you forever.
17 The world cannot receive him, because it neither sees nor knows him. You know him, because he is staying with you and will be
united with you.
18 I will not leave you orphans — I am coming to you.


but whatever He hears : means what ever he hears as Revelation from Arch angel Gibraeel or Gabriel

He will disclose to you what is to come.: refers to hadith of All prophesies of victories, Trials, signs of the day of the judgement etc etc

"He will glorify Me : Clear all the blasphemy about Jesus's(pbh) moral, miraculous birth and the Chastity of Mary (pbh)

No one Glorified Jesus untill the 7 th century because Jews blasphemed him and His mother with the 7 letter FILTHY word and they did not Believe he is Messiah so ITS Was Noble Quran which declared he is a Pure Prophet and was Miraculous born and Mary is a chaste Woman and cleared the INSULT that he was killed in a disgraceful way and affirmed Jesus will come back. Before Quran came Jews & Chrstians were always fighting slandering each other that they copied the scriptures from the other but after Islam came they united together because the Noble Quran HONOURED both calling ' THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" and Proved nobody copied from nobody it came from the SAME SOURCE of one God .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism : JEWS & CHRISTIANS FIGHTing


He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.… : Take and CONTINUE THE Prophet hood that was assigned to Jesus(pbuh) THE MESSAGE OF ONE GOD ALLAH to fullfill the forgotten commandments of saying Asalamalikum,(sholaimalaikum OR Shalom ? ) Prohibition of wine,swine, Interest ,usury,

thorpido:
Don't you people read or you just follow what the imam told you?

Imaams are busy with their poor lives and Masjid and they never talk about Christianity. We come to know from ONLINE when you Blaspheme Islam and its prophet that made me to research for the truth. If you ask before an year who was Comforter might be i will think about a comfortable reclining seat or sofas , thats it

thorpido:
So the quran is saying some 'good' Christians are going to heaven even if they don't accept Islam or follow Muhammed?Interesting.

The Quran did not say so.it said

''"They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel,
worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his
refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."

Pdizzle:
Personally i think it was written in third person to make it more relatable, since it was written under the influence of the spirit.

Father & Son can never be equal Nor Father become his own son (self contradictory) another reason for it is you Really the TRUTH because your books have been tampered , ''A mixed cocktail'' because No body wrote direct from blessed Lips of Jesus
1) God's words
3) authors words who are more than 40
2) scribes words
4) latest change by collective denominations

Proof is from 30 year experienced bible scholar who was once a hardcore evangelist , he is unbiased


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSGd8uzFxxY

Same story but they different in different Gospels


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMePkqjdVx8

WhiteTyre:
You too can receive and work signs, wonders and miracles- but not for everybody.This is given to those who have received that grace.
The grace to recieve miracles, depends on God giving you Himself. Also, you can ask for this grace,and you recieve your miracles.
The grace to work miracles is also given by God Himself, and you can ask for it.
However, to ask from God anything and receive, you must be born again,you must have repented from your sins; and have the faith to recieve.
Now, to the crux of the matter,the secret behind healing miracles is The Name Of JESUS.
READ ALOUD UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE IT:
What JESUS CHRIST has done before, His name can do now
"Je'-sus Christ the same yesterday, and to day and for ever." Hebrews13:8
Remember,"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,that will I do,that the Father may be glorified in the Son.If ye shall ask any thing in my name,I will do it."John14:13-14
Your,deafness,barreness,sickness of any kind,can be removed right now if you believe.

These are nice words to hear but when the Basis and fundamentals Or in other words (iow) the Foundation of the building is not in Concrete
then beautiful building with nice elevations, beautiful interior exterior decorations does not have any value .

Muslims do not say anything What God said about himself in The Noble Quran but you TRUMPET glorifying Him but DO THE OPPOSITE And many times against your Own Book , Where Jesus says God is above all but you make them both Equal , Father & Son can never be equal and Father CANNOT become his OWN son (self contradictory)[/b]another reason for it is you Really the TRUTH because your books have been tampered , ''A mixed cocktail'' because No body wrote direct from blessed Lips of Jesus and the NT was SADLY written after 60 years after Jesus death and it contains
1) God's words
3) authors words who are more than 40
2) scribes words
4) latest change by collective denominations

[b]The PROOF if from the highly respected once hardcore evangelist and UNBIASED Bible Scholar for 30 years thats why he is still trusted by the shrewd Archaelogical Institute Of Israel Prof Bart Erhman for their new excavations of antiquity books kindly see his short videos here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSGd8uzFxxY


Same story is not same between Gospels


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMePkqjdVx8

Ovacoma:
Stop lying!

lol

thorpido:
Long write up.
My questions are,where is the original copy of the Torah(gospel)since it is claimed that the bible does not have the true gospel?The quran cannot be the proof in this case.

When Ezra wrote it again after the destruction caused by Nezzar judaism took a turn by taking saint Ezra as God after his death once again like they did before taking Calf as God. after this a new book , guidelines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Testament_pseudepigrapha
was created by a group among them though not accepted by all.It went worst with the coming of Jesus all the way ditching of the Real messiah . So why worry about their Books when they dared to change GOD itself ? lol

After the Noble Quran EXPOSED their error they tried the best to get back to Monotheism with a change so that they NEED NOT accept the Favour of Islam (Arabs) on them. this thread will prove my claim

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...-Allah-and-why POST # 2


2)Why didn't any prophet speak(by revelation,vision etc) of the coming of Muhammed if he is claimed as a prophet and the last prophet?I'm sure you know the bible cannot be used as your proof in this case.[/quote]All most all major religions Foretold about the Coming of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) including Vedhas and Zoraster and the Parsee
read thread. http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?411845-VEDAS-foretells-About-Prophet-Muhammad-(pbuh)

So both OT & NT have those foretelling of Prophet muhammad but were distorted as i said according to above thread about Yahweh. They did not leave a stone unturned by confusing , misleading Muslims ever by transferiing Song of songs (5:16) to Ketuvim in the 8 th century (Quran 7th century) with a background fake story about lovers (what is the need ,lovers in Torah, its not an Epic ?) because the word was clear as Muhammad(pbuh) see video 3 minutes onwards(atleast)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3sZfPwv1g but proofs are Chapetr isiah

Isaiah Chapter 11
Isaiah 29:12Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
12 If the scroll is given to someone who can’t read
with the request, “Please read this,” he says, “I can’t read.” Same as the incident Of Gibreel meeting Prophet 1st time in cave Hira and said to him to read and he replied "i cant read' but again they changed the background story.

In Gospel

John 14:16-18Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
16 and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another comforting Counselor like me, the Spirit of Truth, to be with you forever.
17 The world cannot receive him, because it neither sees nor knows him. You know him, because he is staying with you and will be
united with you. 18 I will not leave you orphans — I am coming to you.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A16-18&version=CJB


John Chapter 16
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little wh

thorpido:
3)The quran exclusively says doom will be the lot of Christians and Jews.How then will they accept a message that condemns them?

It does not condemn all but the Rejectors and it do praises Christians in some verses

Among Christians Good people are there as the Quran says

5:82''.......... and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.

3:75 ''Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it.''

Defending the misquoted Noble Quran Verses & Eemaan
Asalamalaikum Brothers & sisters,

The mischief of the Non Muslims have increased many fold by Twisting, misinterpreting and Misquoting The Noble Quran verses , the ONLY target to them.Apologetics on line have made it as a big business (Get donations) by attacking the Noble Quran and Its Prophet just to cheat the common man (All, Christians, Jews & Muslims) by Twisting, hiding those verses. Let see some methods how they TWIST the verses of the Noble Quran from their correct meaning.

1) They never EVEN TRY to refer Why and when those verses were revealed and thats lead to quote them out of Context.

2)The meaning of a particular verse can also understood by referring to the preceding or the proceeding verse which most of the Apologetics do not care or many times hide them.

3)Its important to know the whole Quran because many times one verse from one Sura acts as an explanation or Tafsir for the Other verse somewhere in the other sura in an correlated manner like these two verses http://quran.com/17/1 and http://quran.com/53/12-18 and there are many like them.

4) Also is the remembrance of Hadith and events and their explanation through the hadith is important.

5) More technicalities like revelation at the same time but distributed different chapters,also suras Like Sura 3 was revealed at 4 different periods etc etc , The first part revealed (1-80 verses) during the arrival of Christian delegation of Najran know from Two narrations of Sahabas one from Sahel bin Abu Umama (raa) ref: Bai haqi) and the next from Rabi(raa) ref: Ibn Abi Hateem and chain of Narrators) (ref Tafsir Ibn Abbas : the extended version in Urdu)

6)Last but not the least just following all these things still won't be enough untill Allah swt opens our heart and makes us understand the real meaning of them and Allah does that Only to the righteous Pious people who gives them its understanding and who get guided so. and some more rules........which i have not written here

So Lets start with the Most favourite & Strongest Argument fo the Christian and Jewish Apologetics the verse 10:94 from Noble Quran by which they Claim That Noble Quran tells us to Muslims to refer to their books (OT & NT).


(Noble Quran 10:94)
'' And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.''



Tafsir Ibn Abbas
(And if thou) O Muhammad (art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee) concerning that with which We sent Gabriel, i.e. the Qur'an, (then question those who read the Scripture) i.e. the Torah ((that was) before you) 'Abdullah Ibn Salam and his followers.The Prophet (pbuh) did not ask nor was he ever in doubt about the Qur'an. Rather, Allah was addressing with these words the people of the Prophet. (Verily the Truth from thy Lord) i.e. Gabriel with the Qur'an from your Lord, containing the events of past nations (hath come unto thee) O Muhammad. (So be not thou of the waverers) be not of the doubters.

Elaboration: Could be only understood by seeing When and why this verse was revealed and its Aim. this was first chance For The NEW EMIGRANTS to Medina, THE Meccan Muslims,(623 AD) to ask any references from the Torah since Jewish Rabbis of Medina, Abdullah ibn Salam & group , Zayd Ibn Sanah Ibn have embraced Islam (extended tafsir says this verse was mainly intended to the Emigrant Meccan Muslims by addressing to the Prophet(pbuh) ) since they were polytheists not knowing about Gabriel or Scriptures before and that is proved by the FACT most of them were DEAD AGAINST ISLAM with very slow conversion UNLIKE the Polytheists of Medina, The Medinites, who were already acquainted with this Message ( One God,Gabriel, scriptures, after life etc and some notes) because they lived with the 3 Jewish tribes and used to mock them (the Medinites or the natives of Medina (Yatrib) BOASTING, We Jews are the Chosen People of God and we will come with our Last Prophet and humiliate, belittle, and soon rule over you'' so thats why when the group of 7 or 8 of Medinite Youth who met Prophet (pbuh) at the trade fair in Mecca jumped right away into Islam in few minutes of Prophets words though have never met him before nor asked for any Miracles and returned immediately to convert 80 % of their tribes right away without even Meeting the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

So The above tafsir is clear enough it refers to asking IFwhether they had any Doubts about Gibraeel or Gabriel who brought the message of Quran was it real are not ? [/B]and about the Noble Quran, to check did they ( the jews) have corresponding same stories ( Adam, Noah,Abraham,Jacob etc etc) in the Torah Or not ? since their Cheif Rabbis have sworn Oath of Allegiance to Islam and became devout muslims and its ONLY now the MUSLIMS can openly ask ( not awkward or ugly) from those converted Rabbis, their doubts about Gabriel or above mentioned stories are there in their books Or Not ?
Verification Of Torah was not a Easy job those days are not like today many Printed Books found widespread But those times Scriptures were Hand written and very RARE and Strictly kept By ONLY THE FEW TOP RABBIS, and Abdullah Ibn salam was the MOST RESPECTED JEWISH RABBI FOR THE JEWS LIKE A POPE for the Christians Today and Listen To Abdullah Ibn Salam himself what he says in post # 11 http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...e-be-upon-him)
But Prophet(pbuh)replied to the verse something like I will not ask anything from Abdullah ibn salam because I HAVE NO DOUBTS so no need to refer about anything AND WHY WOULD HE DOUBT WHEN HE ALREADY FLEW TO JERUSALEM AND THE SKIES AND MET MANY PROPHETS INCLUDING ABRAHAM , MOSES, JESUS ETC (PBU THEM ALL )

IF DOUBTS OCCUR THEY SHOULD OCCUR WHEN THEY WERE NEW TO ISLAM WHEN HE RECEIVED THE REVELATIONS IN THE 1ST ,2ND OR THE 3RD YEAR AND 4 TH YEAR THE CHRISTIAN KING OF ABYSSINIA CONFIRMED THE SURAH19 MARYAM WAS FROM THE SAME SOURCE, THE TRUE ONE GOD OF THE GOSPEL AND EMBRACED ISLAM IMMEDIATELY and never even discussed the matter of Crucifictiuon AND THAT PROVES NO ONE CAN DOUBT AFTER 13 YEARS AFTER WATCHING Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) PERFORMING GREAT MIRACLES OF THE SPLITTING OF THE MOON ( http://quran.com/54/1-3 ), TRAVEL TO JERUSALEM & SKIES IN THE SAME NIGHT & BACK ( http://quran.com/17/1 , http://quran.com/53/12-15 ) OTHER MANY MIRACLES OF STONE, MOVING & talking, ON IKRIMAH'S REQUEST,Trees,many Animals talking ETC. So in this verse .The Christian apologetics Have NO CHANCE TO CLAIM ANYTHING since this Verse is explicitly about the Torah and the Jews.



This verse was revealed in Medina (Yatrib,623 AD) when Prophet(pbuh) had Migrated From Mecca to Medina(Yatrib) after 10+3 (boycott)= 13 years of Gruesome Hardship where during His arrival the three Emigrant Jewish tribes of Medina who had come from the Civilized Developed Rome and Jerusalem only to receive the last Prophet foretold in their Books waiting for more than a century expecting him within themselves, The Jews, The Progeny of Issac but on knowing that the Prophet has come in the Progeny of Ishamel, The Arabs They the Jews made an U turn to reject Prophet Muhammad except some like Abdullah ibn Salam , Their Cheif And Rabbi and His Family and Group and Zayd Ibn Sanah, the Wealthiest Rabbi and Donated half of his wealth to Muslims and died as A Martyr.
.

This Verse actually ALSO PROVES Prophet(pbuh) untill then never checked or read Torah Or Gospel before and also Woraqa bin Naufal who was the first converted Christian & Learned Person to confirm that the Angel that Muhammad (pbuh) Met & saw was the same Angel who came to Jesus, Moses but had died after just a few days after Meeting Our Prophet (pbuh) and even after wards Prophet (pbuh) did not try to verify Torah also once Prophet(pbuh)'s face got red angry on seeing Umar(Raa) for reading the Torah at the Prophet's Masjid at Medina because If even Moses was there then he will reading the Noble Quran and Umar(Raa) apologised kneeling down saying '' I am satisfied with Allah as My Lord, Islam as my Deen (way of life) and Muhammad(Salalahu alihi wasallam) as My Nabi(Prophet)





(Noble Quran 3:3-4)

'' He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong). Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong)


Tafsir Ibn Abbas(raa)

(He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture) He sent you Gabriel with the Scripture (with truth) in order to show truth from falsehood, (confirming) corroborating Allah's divine Oneness (that which was (revealed) before it) of scriptures, (even as He revealed the Torah) in one go to Moses the son of Amran (and the Gospel) in one go to the Jesus the son of Mary.''(Aforetime) before Muhammad and the Qur'an, (for a guidance to mankind) as a guidance from error to the Children of Israel; (and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong)) He revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad in instalments to differentiate the lawful from the unlawful. (Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah) Muhammad and the Qur'an, referring in this context to the delegation of Najran, (theirs will be a heavy doom) in this world and in the next. (Allah is Mighty) powerful in His vengeance, (Able to Requite (the wrong)) able to carry His vengeance out on them.

Note: Apologetics claim this Quran verse confirms the Torah and the Gospel as the Guidance for All (including the muslims) but the tafsir says THE FURQAAN ( THE other Name of Quran) Or THE CRITERION which points out clearly what is Right Or Wrong, The Noble Quran was revealed 'in order to show (differentiate) truth from falsehood, corroborating or CONFIRMING Allah's divine Oneness '' IOW it refers those verses from Torah and Gospel confirming of the Oneness of Allah and rejecting falsehood WHICH WAS SENT AS GUIDANCE TO THOSE PEOPLE BEFORE (note : the word ' AFORETIME'610 AD approx refers to Jews & Christians) )that was still intact or Uncorrupted in those books at those times. Even NOW a few Such verses are seen such as God in one with no Form, God is not a man who Lies etc and also WARNS disbelievers oh a Heavy Punishment in both the worlds since Allah is all powerful to execute it.