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But the quality is superb.  I don't think you can find any better.

@topic,

What's wrong with you guys? Mikel is the biggest star we have on our team!!!

@topic,

You can watch the match LIVE here: http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=41790&part=sports

You will need to install the sopcast software here:  http://www.myp2p.eu/softwareitem.php?softwareid=5&part=software.  I downloaded the first option and I'm watching the kickoff right now.

@dayokanu,

Interesting perspective!

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=286267.msg4059489#msg4059489 date=1245453789]Go and ask Chinua Achebe [/quote]We better keep this an internet secret. Homos could find this very upsetting! Don't want them witchhunting the bobo!

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=286267.msg4059460#msg4059460 date=1245453376]
Is this the sort of preaching these reprobates hear in their mosques on Fridays
And we wonder why they breed terrorists like houseflies lay eggs.
God keep us from these offsprings that entered their mother's wombs through the backdoor[/quote] Out of curiosity, can you explain how people enter their mama's womb thru the backdoor?

bawomolo:
why can't Gaza be rebuilt though. the people of palestine have just become propaganda pawns

On this I agree. In my honest opinion, none of the Palestinian neighbours care for the Palestine issue to be resolved peacefully as much as Isreal does. Palestine may be the pawn, but the game is all about Isreal!

@Richy and bawomolo,

Now that both of you have taken the opposing views in this discussion, I am at a loss to how to contribute. I hate to be in agreement with either of you !

Men, I need to find a middle ground. Chei. The life of a moderate. Standing for nothing is absolutely not my forte!!

tpiah:
wow- one up for the US.

Britain has replaced America in Iran's black book.

So all the talking and globe trotting finally paid off.

I don't know how you see that as progress. I would be very proud right now to be a Briton, considering that the people who are opposed to fundamental human rights consider my nation to be the highest threat to their entrenched hegemonies. Oh how the mighty (US) is falling!

@bawomolo,

hmm the question is would hamas or Israel allow the presence of International monitors in Gaza.

both sides need to chill.

Isreal agreed to that arrangement for Lebanon. Isreal also agreed to Jerusalem being under the control of the International Community before it was summarily attacked by its belligerent neighbours. Why then do you think Isreal will be against this?

Remeber the last war? isreal actually called for the International Community to step in but as usual they balked. You can't pin this on Isreal!

@ElRazur,

I agree that Obama atimes leads as if he was in a popularity contest. Populism is not leadership and its high time we got some leadership.

N Korea is aiming at Hawaii and Alaska while possibly shipping some weapons one of its ship. The only response we've heard from the Administration regarding this is that the North will be making a big mistake. Egbami, how does that help our course?

And if I remember correctly, he only expressed regret at the reaction of the mob. He stood by his statement. By the way, how could he change his statmenet when it was a verbatim quote of an earlier pontiff?

@tunku,

What would empty words do? Ask Georgian's about U.S. support last summer. Ask the Cubans in America about U.S. support.

The outcome does not mater, but the principles that is behind your stance. It appears Obama is afraid of hurting anyone's feelings and will therefore stay netral. You either believe in freeedom and stand behind it or you don't. People are fighting for their freedom and all we can do is stand on the fence? I don't think that is good enough.

The truth is, whether we get involved or not, it will not change Ahmad's pre-disposition about the US. You might as well fight to death hanging on to your principles rather than die anyway without making a stand.

bawomolo:
Gaza should be allowed to rebuild. under international supervision of course.

How practicable is that? Remeber how Hamas was raiding the Red Cross and denying even its own people aid because of political differences?

mikeansy:
Its smart politics by the President, its just unfortunate that the neocons in USA don't get it.

What is so smart about the policy? This is an opportunity to stand behind the Iranian people irrespective of the policies oif the person they voted for. How many times did Bush and even Obama appeal directly to the people of Iran? On countless numbers of times, they've both declared they will stand by the people, but now that the opportunity to do so has surfaced, we are not taking a stand.

If I am not mistaken, virtually every leader of the free world has come out now with strongly worded statements denouncing the election fraud. The only exception are the USA, China and Russia. Something is not right about that.

oyb:
all i will say is that Iranians clearly have more stuffing than nigerians.

the best most of us would have done is bitch on the internet about stolen mandates

Give Nigerians some credit abeg. Were you not in the country during the June 12 saga? I believe the problems is the lack of a credible alternative. Nigerians felt at that time that Abiola was a change from the status quo and many bled and died for the mandate that was given to him at the polls. Do you think I will put my life in danger protesting that Atiku should have won the election ahead of Yaradua? I dont think so!!!

@topic,

I was initially against the notion that this election was a fraud. I am beginning to think it may have been. While evidences so far are not substantive, circumstantial evidences appear weighted against the published results.

@4 Play,

The absence of an army is not incompatible with statehood.

Well put. And we have many examples to prove the point.

Ikomi:
Your case now seems pathethic, must you gain my attention.

Hey its's not my fault.  I hate to see you waste the potential you have to look at issues more objectively  

@Ikomi,

From show me a State without a standing Army to show me a State which abolished its standing Army by its choice.  The goal posts just keep changing. One wonders why the peace process will never move forward then.

Consider the other 19 States without a sanding military. None of them has the same reason for doing without one. Every circumstance is differnet and must be treated uniquely. Is the non-existence of a Palestinian Army enough reason to truncate the peace process?

@Ikomi,

Just to help you out even further, here's more list of sovereign states without a standing army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces

So Isreal is not asking Palestine for anything new at all.  Palestine will probably be the 20th State without a standing army.

@Ikomi,

This is the problem I always have with you, you see where you have gone now how in the world does that relate. When I talk you say its an insult.

Maybe you should learn to think outside the box. What is the purpose of an Army and a nuclear weapon? Is it not supposedly to protect a State's territorial integrity? Isn't that what you guys have declared all along in saying Iran has a right to nuclear weapons? Can you relate now or do we have to break everythin down for you?

@Ikomi,

You have never made sense to and with the way your going no matter how hard you try it does not seem you ever will.

Oh you are making so much sense naa? That others prod your mind to explore issues beyond the area you are willing to consider sure always invite insult from you. Should all nations be giving nuclear weapons because the US possess them?

Show me one state without its own army, and define sovereignty. Then you would have answered yourself.

The Vatican City is a sovereign State by itself without a standing Army.  A Palestinian State will have to prove itself to be a peaceful neighbour beofre Isreal can allow a standing Army. This is a unique situation that requires a unique solution. It's time to think outside the box.

@Richy and Ikomi,

Is having an Army more important than having a State?

They've had an army all along (militants some will say), but no State. If the sole aim is a State, why is the existing of an Army necessary?

@ElRazur,

It sucks when people looks for allies across thread. You only posted this because of the non-sense reply you posted in the other thread. But if it makes you happy. Go for it.

You know, I was beginning to think that Afam may have turned a new leaf until he posted that rubbish. We've argued back and forth a little bit today without any insults being brandished. It's unfortunate that he has now resorted to this tactics. How typical.

@ElRazur,

You have simply taken the same position that I have taken. A superpower is still liable to be hit by very small entities. The US was not to blame for the terrorists actions. So the argument earlier by Lagosboy that Isreal has nothing to fear because Palestine will be a small State does not hold water.

I have not by any stretch of the imagination implied that US should not be hit on 911, nor Isreal incapable of being hit by small entities. That was what you read into it.

Go back and read my respnse again with the understanding that it was a reply to Lagosboy's earlier post.

@ElRazur,

I have highlighted my point and what I perceive as the ignorance. To paraphrase again since you dont seem to get it. ". . . . .USA wasn't brought to her knees. . . ." To claim otherwise is just not true.

The US wan't brought to her kneew and yet every aspect of the US as a sovereign State has been different since 911. Some have also claimed that you can't separate the curent economic crisis from the money being spent to prosecute the wars that can be traced to 911. So please don't be myopic in your use of the phrase.

Let's get to the koko of the matter.

Again bringing NDC and the capacity of the Military is irrelevant. The point at hand [before you make us lose is] is that you claimed "Despite US military power. . . blah blah blah . . . should have prevented 911" or something along those lines and this I pointed out as misrepresentation and distortion.

That's why I said you don't even understand what I said. I said clearly the opposite of what you are accusing me of. You might want to go review my earlier post and read it without jumping to wrong conclusions.

@ElRazur,

Dude. You statement was really an ignorant thing to say. 911 event do not "bring USA to her knees". If affected her alright, but not bring her to her knees. I suggest you look up on what it entails to bring a nation to her knees. Dropping a bomb on Hiroshima will be one example.

The use of the phrase "bringing someone to his/her knees" has a great deal of latitude in its usage. Basically, it paints the picture of hitting someone at their weak points not necessarily to destroy them but to bring them in compliance to something or get their attention. America has never been the same since 911.  They've spent billions of dollars in war since 911. The US military has been stretchd to its breaking point since 911, and the DNC is basically in power today because of 911. So what is your problem with the prase "brought to its knees".

When ever people talk about the Military power of the USA, a few people like you crawl out of the wood work and claim "if they are so powerful, how come 911 happened"! I mean that is like saying Brazil is probably the best in the world, but Nigeria beat them back in Atlanta 96. It is a flawed reasoning and statement to make. Terrorism is not conventional and modern warfare!

You need to understand what people are talking about before you respond to them. Quite the contrary, I am of the school of thought that your might does not make you invincible. This is why I applaud Isreal's caution in granting the future Palestinian State a free reign in military decisions. Such could pose an existential threat to Isreal even though they are a military superpower.


Like I said earlier, understand people's post before responding to them. It will help you avoid looking like you have no clue what you are talking about.

@Afam,

I do not hate the Jews neither do I hate Israelis.

I'll take you at your word for now.

It is the blanket commendation given to them irrespective of whatever atrocities that they commit that I am against.

Shouldn't the opposite also apply? Why the blanket condemnation despite all the good things they stand for?

I do not believe in blanket commendation or condemnation of anyone, any group or nation.

Maybe I missed it. But where have you ever commended anything Jewish on nairaland?

I prefer to judge people and nations based on their actions, blaming when it is necessary and supporting/praising when necessary.

But why the sole attention on the Jews? This is why I posed my question earlier. What have the Jews done that is different to what other races are doing? If they are no different than others, why the perpetual and selective attack on them alone?

I hope I have answered your question.

Let's see you live the principles you outlined above. I wouldn't have asked the questions if I felt you live up to them.

@ElRazur,

Please explain to me as to how the US was brought to her knees and how the Military plays a role here. Finally, just because a nation is consider the most powerful on earth, do you expect it not to be affected by terrorism?

I thought you were going to enlightene me? What answers do you expect from an ignorant person?!

Can you differentiate the military establishment of the Isreali foes in the ME from terrorism organizations? They work hand in hand and in tandem. To admit that a superpower can be affected by terrorism and yet unable to see how 911 comes to mind here is incredulous!

@ElRazur,

I was going to take you serious until I saw that. What an ignorant thing to say.

Can you please enlightene me. I'll appreciate it.

Now you are changing the goal post.

From the Western Media, now to the West in general.

So you are aware among other things, of Saddam gassing the Kurds - his own people and yet you are confident enough to declare that he was demonized by the Western Media. How do you demonize that?

@Afam,

So you acknowledge that Isreal practices democracy and that the minority has a means to achieve and attain the highest office based on the limitiation of their constitution. So what is your problem with Isreal or Jews? Why always hammering on them when other races do not even practice anything close to what they do? Why the hate?