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Ikomi:
The poster has finally chossen the path of stupidity, and why should anyone in his right sences be afraid to say so?

The same stupidity that follwos you around to this thread?

If you have nothing to say, why not keep quiet. A fool can be mistaken for being wise if he keeps quiet.  In your case, you open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I am glad you have kept up with your attack on personalities.  Your inability to reason on your own suggests it is your best course of action.  I doubt anyone can learn from a self-proclaimed expert who thinks a Shiite is a member of a tribe in Iraq!

@Ikomi,

Only an idiot would find this intresting and make a topic of it.

Av always called him one from the very first read of his first post, he is just making my job easier portraying his utmost stupidity.

You know, one would think the writer of this article was also a prophetess.  Seeing that the dogs have woken up to go back to their own vomit in fulfillment of exactly what she said:  "5. Use every available media outlet to perpetuate the belief that you and your followers are the enlightened ones-and that those who refuse to support you are just barbaric, uncivilized, ignorant curmudgeons. This speaks for itself."

The same hypocrite calling others names for attacking people's personalities (which is not the case here), is here practicing the same.  I guess fools will always be fools.

@Ibime,

I don't think she has any disdain for them. I think her point is just that while they may have foought against the enslavement of their people, they turn around and use the same tactics to enslave the same people they fought for. You can't but agree with such point when you consider people like Mugabe and co. Her problem is not with the person, but with the same system now recycled, repackaged and readministered.

@cold,

Who is talking about voting now? We are talking about what the guy stands for - his policies. You may start another thread to discuss the outcome of an election.

@cold,

Like what exactly,the same Buffet you talk abt just said a couple of months ago that 'i doff my hat to the present administration' based on Obama's policies.U're trying really hard to discredit the man while GOP continues to crumble like a house built on sand.

A couple of months ago? The guy said yesterday that the economy was in shmbles. He reiterated his point a few months ago that the Administration should ocncentrate on the economy and not attempt to ush too many things down American's throat.

I am not interested in changing your position of this matters. The facts do not need to get in the way of your bias.

The same Buffet that is against card check?

He slammed the Cap and Trade bill just yesterday.  This is the bill that the House up in the house for a vote now.

@Ibime,

No, the emphasis is on scattergun.

Your criticisms of Obama have no common underlying thread. You just throw a lot of mud to see what sticks.

This particular critique is the worst of the bunch. This bitch cannot make an argument to save her life, just clutching at straws like a pregnant cow. She would be tossed out of court for making such haphazard arguments. I have just pointed out her inconsistencies. At the start of her article, she accuses Obama of Marxism. At the end of the article, she accuses Obama of implementing the policies of a Conservative Britain. Are those two arguments congruous? This bitch is just dense.

Obama did not pass the smell test at the very go.  I just could not get myself to rally behing him no matter how hard I tried. Very little was known about him and I was really weary of the effort and the extent the media was going to sell his candidacy.

As to the being incongrous, I will advise you read the article again. She was not talking about the same person in both instances. The first was Obama's father while the second was Obama! Cool down small and try to see beyond your bias. I am trying to do same.  

@osisi,

Tayo -D,I know we diagreed heavily on Obama during the elections.
Now I regret voting for the guy and encouraging others to do so
He's been nothing but a huge disappointment in my opinion
He's trying so hard to erase the ancient landmarks
I am no longer a fan of his

To say I am shocked is an understatement. If no be say I know you better, I for talk say you wan eliminate Mitchell so you can have Obama to yourself. That is how much I thouhgt you love the guy.

But I ma not shocked really. Many people I know who voted for him are expresing the same sentiments. Warren Buffet who publicly supported Obama and still claims he does, has slammed almost every action taken by the guy. I just dn't se what he is doing that will help America on the long run.

@Ibime,

Of course I expect Tayo-D to find reason in this nonsense. His scattergun approach to mudslinging just serves to cheapen his intellectual standing by the day.

Mudslinging? Where? Maybe I should find articles of Obama supporters who don't support his policies. Will that make you happy?

@cold,

I don't understand what you mean by destructive criticims. I have genuine reservations about what Obama stands for and his policies. I am just not gonna let racial solidarity blind me to the greater good.  Besides, political leaders need to be watched more closely when they have popular support. The feeling across the globe is that Bush used the global solidarity that America got after 911 to commit the most heinous attrocities. Obama like Bush is human. That mistake should not be repeated.

By the way, I am not the only one who feel this way about Obama. When his policies are tabled before the American people, they never go beyond the 50% thereshold approval and yet Obama as a person enjoys consistent approval ratings of 60%. Why is that so?

Before I itemise what I like about Obama, maybe not his policies, I'll appreciate if you can distance Obama from the five points that the lady itemised in her article. Maybe we should start from there and not get too attached to personalities.

@pres-elect,

Your tone suggests you are the sore loser here. How can someone disagree with such dignity and here we see an apologist getting red in the face trying to protect his god, Obama. Can't you do better than just to attack personalities? You are beginning to sound very ridiculous.

Intellectual dissent is getting more and more scarce on nairaland. May God help us all.

Here's a very interesting article by an Igbo woman in the American Thinker. So many issues are discussed but it all centers around the person of Obama.  Enjoy the article and let's have your thoughts. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/obama_the_african_colonial.html

Had Americans been able to stop obsessing over the color of Barack Obama's skin and instead paid more attention to his cultural identity, maybe he would not be in the White House today. The key to understanding him lies with his identification with his father, and his adoption of a cultural and political mindset rooted in postcolonial Africa.


Like many educated intellectuals in postcolonial Africa, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was enraged at the transformation of his native land by its colonial conqueror. But instead of embracing the traditional values of his own tribal cultural past, he embraced an imported Western ideology, Marxism. I call such frustrated and angry modern Africans who embrace various foreign "isms", instead of looking homeward for repair of societies that are broken, African Colonials. They are Africans who serve foreign ideas.


The tropes of America's racial history as a way of understanding all things black are useless in understanding the man who got his dreams from his father, a Kenyan exemplar of the African Colonial.


Before I continue, I need to say this: I am a first generation born West African-American woman whose parents emigrated to the U.S. in the 1970's from the country now called Nigeria. I travel to Nigeria frequently. I see myself as both a proud American and as a proud Igbo (the tribe that we come from -- also sometimes spelled Ibo). Politically, I have always been conservative (though it took this past election for me to commit to this once and for all!); my conservative values come from my Igbo heritage and my place of birth. Of course, none of this qualifies me to say what I am about to -- but at the same time it does.


My friends, despite what CNN and the rest are telling you, Barack Obama is nothing more than an old school African Colonial who is on his way to turning this country into one of the developing nations that you learn about on the National Geographic Channel. Many conservative (East, West, South, North) African-Americans like myself -- those of us who know our history -- have seen this movie before. Here are two main reasons why many Americans allowed Obama to slip through the cracks despite all of his glaring inconsistencies:


First, Obama has been living on American soil for most of his adult life. Therefore, he has been able to masquerade as one who understands and believes in American democratic ideals. But he does not. Barack Obama is intrinsically undemocratic and as his presidency plays out, this will become more obvious. Second, and most importantly, too many Americans know very little about Africa. The one-size-fits-all understanding that many Americans (both black and white) continue to have of Africa might end up bringing dire consequences for this country.


Contrary to the way it continues to be portrayed in mainstream Western culture, Africa is not a continent that can be solely defined by AIDS, ethnic rivalries, poverty and safaris. Africa, like any other continent, has an immense history defined by much diversity and complexity. Africa's long-standing relationship with Europe speaks especially to some of these complexities -- particularly the relationship that has existed between the two continents over the past two centuries. Europe's complete colonization of Africa during the nineteenth century, also known as the Scramble for Africa, produced many unfortunate consequences, the African colonial being one of them.


The African colonial (AC) is a person who by means of their birth or lineage has a direct connection with Africa. However, unlike Africans like me, their worldviews have been largely shaped not by the indigenous beliefs of a specific African tribe but by the ideals of the European imperialism that overwhelmed and dominated Africa during the colonial period. AC's have no real regard for their specific African traditions or histories.  AC's use aspects of their African culture as one would use pieces of costume jewelry: things of little or no value that can be thoughtlessly discarded when they become a negative distraction, or used on a whim to decorate oneself in order to seem exotic. (Hint: Obama's Muslim heritage).


On the other hand, AC's strive to be the best at the culture that they inherited from Europe. Throughout the West, they are tops in their professions as lawyers, doctors, engineers, Ivy League professors and business moguls; this is all well and good. It's when they decide to engage us as politicians that things become messy and convoluted.


The African colonial politician (ACP) feigns repulsion towards the hegemonic paradigms of Western civilization. But at the same time, he is completely enamored of the trappings of its aristocracy or elite culture. The ACP blames and caricatures whitey to no end for all that has gone wrong in the world. He convinces the masses that various forms of African socialism are the best way for redressing the problems that European colonialism motivated in Africa. However, as opposed to really being a hard-core African Leftist who actually believes in something, the ACP uses socialist themes as a way to disguise his true ambitions: a complete power grab whereby the "will of the people" becomes completely irrelevant.


Barack Obama is all of the above. The only difference is that he is here playing (colonial) African politics as usual.   


In his 1995 memoir, Dreams From My Father -- an eloquent piece of political propaganda -- Obama styles himself as a misunderstood intellectual who is deeply affected by the sufferings of black people, especially in America and Africa. In the book, Obama clearly sees himself as an African, not as a black American. And to prove this, he goes on a quest to understand his Kenyan roots. He is extremely thoughtful of his deceased father's legacy; this provides the main clue for understanding Barack Obama.


Barack Obama Sr. was an African colonial to the core; in his case, the apple did not fall far from the tree. All of the telltale signs of Obama's African colonialist attitudes are on full display in the book -- from his feigned antipathy towards Europeans to his view of African tribal associations as distracting elements that get in the way of "progress".  (On p. 308 of Dreams From My Father, Obama says that African tribes should be viewed as an "ancient loyalties".)


Like imperialists of Old World Europe, the ACP sees their constituents not as free thinking individuals who best know how to go about achieving and creating their own means for success. Instead, the ACP sees his constituents as a flock of ignorant sheep that need to be led -- oftentimes to their own slaughter.


Like the European imperialist who spawned him, the ACP is a destroyer of all forms of democracy.


Here are a few examples of what the British did in order to create (in 1914) what is now called Nigeria and what Obama is doing to you: 


1. Convince the people that "clinging" to any aspect of their cultural (tribal) identity or history is bad and regresses the process of "unity". British Imperialists deeply feared people who were loyal to anything other than the state. "Tribalism" made the imperialists have to work harder to get people to just fall in line. Imperialists pitted tribes against each other in order to create chaos that they then blamed on ethnic rivalry. Today many "educated" Nigerians, having believed that their traditions were irrelevant, remain completely ignorant of their ancestry and the history of their own tribes.

2. Confiscate the wealth and resources of the area that you govern by any means necessary in order to redistribute wealth. The British used this tactic to present themselves as empathetic and benevolent leaders who wanted everyone to have a "fair shake". Imperialists are not interested in equality for all. They are interested in controlling all.   

3. Convince the masses that your upper-crust university education naturally puts you on an intellectual plane from which to understand everything even when you understand nothing. Imperialists were able to convince the people that their elite university educations allowed them to understand what Africa needed. Many of today's Nigerians-having followed that lead-hold all sorts of degrees and certificates-but what good are they if you can't find a job?   

4. Lie to the people and tell them that progress is being made even though things are clearly becoming worse.  One thing that the British forgot to mention to their Nigerian constituents was that one day, the resources that were being used to engineer "progress" (which the British had confiscated from the Africans to begin with!) would eventually run out. After WWII, Western Europe could no longer afford to hold on to their African colonies. So all of the counterfeit countries that the Europeans created were then left high-and-dry to fend for themselves. This was the main reason behind the African independence movements of the1950 and 60's. What will a post-Obama America look like?

5. Use every available media outlet to perpetuate the belief that you and your followers are the enlightened ones-and that those who refuse to support you are just barbaric, uncivilized, ignorant curmudgeons.  This speaks for itself.


America, don't be fooled. The Igbos were once made up of a confederacy of clans that ascribed to various forms of democratic government. They took their eyes off the ball and before they knew it, the British were upon them. Also, understand this: the African colonial who is given too much political power can only become one thing: a despot.


L.E. Ikenga can be reached at leikenga@gmail.com.

@Dr D-Welz,

If you agree with encouraging high standard and call out evil and wrongs, what then is your problem with Gov Sanford? He also stood for encouraging high standards and calling out evil and wrongs. He called out same when he fell short of the standard.

You only call him a hypocrite because he fell short of that same standard. Do you then suppose that only perfect people should articulate those standards?

@Dr D-Welz,

So you think Clinton should be justified for adultery because he does not condemn its practice or because he does not hold others to such high standards? Think about what you are saying for a moment!

So we should all not condemn evil because we are susceptible to doing evil?

@Richy,

Though the logic seems twisted, but if carefully untangled, it makes a lot of sense.

We usually don't agree on things, but I agree with you on this one!

Oh my God.  What is happening to me? Me and Richy on the same page? Rush Limbaugh will not like this at all at all!!

The problem with these Republican politicians is that they not only condemn stealing (going along with your analogy) they're very very mean to others caught stealing. If they realize that someday it could be them or their son/daughter in the docket, surely they wouldn't be so inconsiderate when others are caught stealing.

Stealing is bad and must be condemned, but don't chop of the hands of someone caught. The much talked about "compassion" comes in handy, thanks to Obama and liberals. Conservatives have zero sense of the term "compassion"!

I do not agree with your conclusion that Republicans are the mean ones. Remeber what Palin? Though conservatives do not promote premarital sex, they were the ones who forgave Palin and even stood by her when her daughter fell short of the moral ideal. It was liberals that wanted to destroy her and are still doing same today.  Can you imagine a whole John Kerry saying she wished it was palin that dissapeared and not Mark Sanford? How mean can you get.

Granted Mark called for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, but we have to rememeber that it was not for adultery but for perjury.  This are two different things, I believe.

@RichyBlack,

Like all conservative morons, they want to tell us how to live our lives but go behind the scene to do ALL the things the preach/talk against. Liars!

Hasn't the good governor proven you guys wrong now. He just jettisoned the notion that the Republicans are a party of NO! he does not know how to say it!!!

RichyBlacK:
They're very lucky. In my world, all Republicans will serve time for being Republicans.

Fair point. And if I have my way, I will consign all liberals to Yaba Left! It takes a mind that is completely removed from common sense to become liberal.

@Richy,

Shameless Republican hypocrite!

I do not understand what I do; for I don't do what I would like to do, but instead I do what I hate. - Apostle Paul.

Hypocrisy is good. It is a testament to the fact that someone has fallen short of the ideal they hold dear. That the liberals are now criticising the guy only shows that they agree that his stance is right, even though he fell short of it.

Tell me Richy, would you condemn the person who believes stealing is wrong but is caught stealing as much as you would condemn the person who believes in stealing and practices it?

tpiah:
American porn will only make the Chinese lust after Americans and undermine the govt. That's not patriotic.

I just love the various perspectives people bring to debate here on nairaland. Now who can top this?!!

women are better at hiding their dirt.

Or maybe not many female politicians are good looking and can't get some even if they go looking. Of course Palin is an exception.

Did this guy think he could hide trips to Argentina in the information age.

The guy needs a mental check up to confirm if he is balanced upstairs. He is either disillusioned or was ready to come out boldly while damning the consequences.

honeric01:
I don't understand somethings here, based on the facts on ground before and during the election, who did you people tip to win this election How many people knew the oppositions that well? How many times did all these western medias aired the campaigns of all the opposition candidates before and during the election? Why is it now that people are no crying BLUE MURDER?

Lastly, why is it only in tehran that they have protests? What about the rest 49 provinces? Are they all in support of the result or the candidate that won?

Good observation. I also do not understand something here. Perhaps you can help explain why the number of registered votes in more than 50 cities in Iran exceed the number of eligible registered voters. Do you suppose that is evidence of election fraud?

bawomolo:
lol, his wife already kicked him out of the house

I hope Tayo-D has a room to spare for a fallen comrade

Omo, all the available space has been taken up by Democrats.  However, I have kept one room unoccupied pending when Hillary will finally send Bill packing. 

But wait a minute, why is this always happening to male politicians? Are the female ones above this?

@topic,

Its a shame that someone like Ribadu is in exiale while rogues like IBB and co are still being invited to wine and dine in Aso Rock.

Something's wrong with that picture!!!

ElRazur:
The silence in here regarding these stories speak volumes.

Why are you so surprised? Many on this forum only feign anger when it involves either Isreal or the USA. Who kills who does not matter if it does not implicate a Jew or an American! Sad innit?!

bawomolo:
that's true. the whole Obama is a liberal talk was all propaganda. he is more of a centrist than an ACLU lackie

I don't think it was propaganda. It so just happens that when one wakes up to reality, common sense kicks in. And common sense will always drive you towards the Right of the political divide. He is only centrist now for political expediency.

I'm trusting that one day when information hits you squarely, you will abandon the virtual reality of the Left and join camp with the Right. There is hope for you my guy.  Anyone to the Right of RichyBlack still has hope.  

Ikomi:
I can read you like A B C. So easy.

That's too bad. 'Cos last I checked, you didn't make it past the letter "F"!

Ikomi:
Says who?

She has eaten the forbidden fruit. She has been visiting night clubs, how does she know wearing the good old burqa is a prison if she has not tasted the other side.

Infact from today my daugthers would all wear burqa, let me see if those boys would walk them home, at least they wont know who they are talking to. my girls are twins and they've got exactly the same voice.

That is why abortion is an issue, who says prevention is not better than cure.

LoL. Abeg all that is a joke, otherwise someone would jump at me soon. _Tayo-D

I can see you just can't get over me . I can take a joke and do not feel offended by this.


Just curious. Wer you also joking when you alluded to the Bible supporting the Burqa?

@adconline,

The Patriot Act already gave the Executive powers to carry out wire-tapping for the sole purpose of preventing attacks on America. Granted, everyone is concerned that such powers can be abused and was indeed abused in the past.

While Franklin Roosevelt and Richard Nixon among others permitted abuse of such powers during wartime, no one has accused the Bush Adiminstration of collecting such intelligence aimed at itspolitical enemies.

The Patriot Act was in force before FISA.

Afam:
In fact I knew that was where he was heading to. Whenever he is cornered he tries to drag people down with him.
See how the thread has turned into bible verse.
As usual he prefers to see his own views as the most correct. Na wah!

That is so predictable. One fool who thinks he is wise in his own eyes will seek the alliance of another fool who thinks he is wise in his own eyes.  And what will the two fools be talking about? Nothing but personalities and their over-inflated egos. Keep at it boys, keep at it.  It's been a while that nairaland has seen a congregation of fools displaying their folly on the www.  About time we got such entertainment from you two.

Afam:
Of course, I always respond to posts in kind and on time too.
I am certain you have carefully ignored some of the words you have used in these exchanges while hoping to claim that I started any form of insults.
As stated earlier, what you think is right does not equate to what is right.
Thanks for putting the names in the bible verse you reproduced above, at least we can refer to that from time to time.

Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? (Afam) There is more hope for a fool (Tayo-D)  than for him. - Proverbs 26:12

I just love the Bible.  There is no way one can top its wisdom or the succint way it expresses it. A truly wise man will accept its wisdom and make corrections, but fools, who think of themselves to be wise will continue in their folly.

Afam here is a case in point. He thinks himself to be wise and thinks of me to be a fool. Yet the Good Book declares that the one who thinks himself to be wise is hopeless when compared to the one he thinks to be a fool.  While Afam is not needed to prove the infallibility of the Bible, he sure is proof that the scriptures cannot be broken.

@Afam,

I can now see you've decided to stop the pretending and come out swinging with your best shot.  Like I noted above, one other way of responding to a question is to come out attacking personalities. By the time this is over, I'm sure you'll be crying you only reponded to insult in kind, never minding the fact that you started throwing it around first. Apart from folly of course, hypocrisy is a "virtue" you exhibit so well.

It is not my job to educate you, so I will not bother.  I can not hope to impact knowledge to someone who wasted all the years he spent in school.  If people who are paid to do the job failed at it, what hope do I have?

He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool - Tayo-D.
He that knows not and knows that he knows not is a wise man - Afam.

Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? (Afam) There is more hope for a fool (Tayo-D)  than for him. - Proverbs 26:12.

Afam:
Yes, I have heard of it. That was a popular phrase being used by Bush to refer to what he thinks is a war.

So it was just a law enforement issue baa? Only Bush thought it was a war and yet congress has been funding same war even under Obama. Only Bush thinks its a war and yet many nations contributed troops to fight terror. I can see the only reality you live in is the one you've made up in your mind. Please persist in it if it makes you happy.

Just for the sake of argument if you believe that the war on terror justified the response by Bush and the gang then you should be ok with Ahmedinejad's response as regards "War on Western Imperialism".

I don't have a problem if he wants to fight the West. Question is how many of those on the streets of Tehran are from the West? How many of those protesters are diplomats as someone else put it?

@Afam,

I can see that my response has eaten deep into your pride. That I mentioned two ways does not make it exhauistive. If you think you are smart, I'll reveal something else to you which you could add to the growing list.

One other way to answer a question is to attack the personality of the person who asked the question. This is obviously your prefered option and you have done that several times on nairaland.

So while I never said the list was exhaustive, you implied the one you created is. See your folly again?

Perhaps you will do well to take the advise you gave me. You need it much more than I do. I am not so proud to think I am always right. You probably think everyone entertains such silly thought like you do. I do not. I have room to learn, to grow and to evolve.

So while you go to bed or lay on your mat tonight, you will do well to talk yourself out of the lies you've fed yourself over the years - that you are always right!