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Jokerman:
Lol... You want me to accept that the best DRIBBLER in a team is always the greatest player, buh you don't want to accept okocha is greater than Kanu

Mehn....d distance between u and d point is too far ....how does this sentence make sense to u??...Wu wud ask u to accept dis kind of rubbish??

Garrincha,the alleged best dribbler of all tym played alongside Pele....but es not as great as Pele

Jokerman:
LWF... Left wing forward

Messi is not a winger

Jokerman:
All except Beckenbauer and Maradona ... Buh I put them according to their great exploits...

Been a man utd fan since 1999 bro... Started watching football keenly from 96, due to Nigeria Olympic dream team

Lwkmd .... watching football is different from understanding and following football o...hope u knw...alot of pple here just watch football for d fun of shouting goaaaalll... dats y dey come on Nairaland to Cap shit

Herbiedeen:
He started as a SS and also favours the RW position, but, PEP gave him a free role irrespective of the position he is placed in the formation
Then under the succeeding managers, he started droping deep

Ok...what are you driving at

Jokerman:
Messi was LWF or RWF then SS or AM

Ronaldo was RMF or LMF before transitioning into LWF or RWF or SS or ST or CF

However in my personal all time team

Buffon

Dani Alves Nesta Beckenbauer Carlos

Makelele

Zidane Maradona

Messi Delima CR7

I put both of them as forward

Please what's d meaning of LWF??

And please, did u watch all of these greats play??

Jokerman:
Lol... Messi is not a winger bro.. you wan start again ..

Messi started as an inside forward, behind the striker... (Ss)

Ronaldo started and his natural position is 7(RM)

Eey God of Mercy....u want to follow a barca fan of almost 20yrs to argue Messi's position. .I can't even argue this... it's pointless

But hear this.... Messi's favoured position in childhood was the playmaker behind two strikers, known as the enganche in Argentine football, but he began his career in Spain as a left-winger or left-sided forward....e swapped positions under different managers

light099:
Lets forget about Messi argument for now. I'm here for this Tapnaldo fan. Lol.

Better o

Jokerman:
Name any winger with 5 ballondors, I will wait..
Name any winger with more goals
Name any winger with more career assists
Name any winger with more individual awards
Name any winger with more freekicks
Name any winger with more UCL titles

I'm waiting bro

Messi is a ball boy

light099:
Bro. Tapnaldo is more hardworking than Messi. If Messi applies same drive as Tapnaldo, he would have finished him all these Tapnaldo fans here wont even have mouth to say anything.

Do you even know what hardwork is??...

I guess u always go to Ronaldo's instapage and see him gyming or Nursing his abs and u don't see things lyk dat on Messi's page...thats y u claim Messi doesn't apply as much drive as Ronaldo....

Listen, let me now clear u on dis

Look at Messi’s free-kicks when he was young, he wasn’t very good at them and didn’t attempt much of them. Now he is considered among the best free-kick takers in the world.

Look at Messi’s playmaking when he was young. Above average, sure, but far from being great at it. Now he is considered one of the best playmakers in the world.

Look at Messi’s penalties in the 2015/2016 season : 4/8 were converted, that is bad. Look at him in the 2016/2017 season : he scored 9/10 pens. I think that was the best record in Europe that season.
Do you see a pattern here ? When he has a weakness, he works on it and perfects it.

That takes a lot of hard work, but since it is all technical and not physical, people do not notice it. I want to highlight that word : TECHNICAL. He works very hard on his technique and it shows on the pitch....

I don't like to say this but.... y'all claiming Ronaldo is d greatest hardworker, but messi isn't shud think again ..

Is Ronaldo's freekick conversation rate suppose to b declining or improving??.... where's d hardwork in his practising 4 ova 3 seasons now

Is Ronaldo's dribbling supposed to be declining or improving??

Jokerman:
Hahaha... Messi fans...

Ronaldo is the greatest winger ever
He is a talented freekick taker (still hold the records in UCL history)
He is a talented crosser of the ball
He is talented DRIBBLER(holds the records for 20 successful dribbles in a match)

U've come again

Greatest winger ever.....even Ronaldo himself can't claim dat title...

(holds the records for 20 successful dribbles in a match)... this crap u re always writing is false.... can't u live with d fact dat Messi is and will always b a beta dribbler dan Ronaldo

light099:
Stop being a Tapnaldo zombie. It's hardwork and determination.
That's why Pele said he is consistent. Messi is lazy, he achieved everything with his great talent. If Messi was competitive, hardworking and determined like Tapnaldo, people like you won't be here to be saying all these, because the difference would be too much.

Guy...I agree with everything u've said but dis...

"Messi is lazy, he achieved everything with his great talent...if Messi was competitive, hardworking and determined like Tapnaldo, people like you won't be here to be saying all these,"...... please don't say this again..... it's only the ignorants wu say dis

Mrpsly247:
Exactly! What brought about any argument is that u're reintegrating his opinion and presenting it as a fact ... I'm not asking you to prefer ronaldo or messi that's entirely upto you, and this statement was made years back when balon d'or was 4:1 in favor of messi

Pls go bck and read what i wrote carefully....i never presented it as a fact....I presented it as Beckham's fact for choosing messi ova Cris....d guy asked simply y Beckham didnt compare himself to Messi....and and I showed im exactly wat Beckham said and y Beckham doesn't compare himself to Messi.....I didn't cook up anything from anywhere

"and this statement was made years back when balon d'or was 4:1 in favor of messi"...this is false

Beckham recently said this wen intervewed by Telam....

Jokerman:
Do you know Suarez, Neymar and Iniesta, have made more assists to Messi than Bale, Benzema and modric did to Ronaldo??

So stop lying here....

Remove modric and put ozil and ask d question again

chiboy1116:
what lies? Tell me one thing I said there that is a lie pls . You are the one who cook up lies always , you use br sports handle , a troll sport account that says funny false shit always . You just said eto said Ronaldo is the greatest player ever . *Facepalm .

Please don't take Jokerman serious... he's just here to joke

GEEBITE:
Shows the stuff you are made of.Insults must be heaped on to make a point or pass a message.Its just football,don't take it to heart.

Please highlight wer I heaped insults on u??

Beverlyjean:
Are u in any other their minds or are u friends with any of them??

Lol...in their minds?....till any one alse wu once Picked Messi changes dia mind and Picks Ronaldo, den u can come and argue....
Cos i know two pple wu once Picked Ronaldo ova Messi but wen dey left Madrid, dia opinions changed
Mourinho
Mourinho said Ronaldo was better and has now
hanged his mind
Casillas also after leaving madrid...

And der are players wu played with Ronaldo wu say Messi's better aprt from Beckham....
Rooney
Dimaria
Tevez
Gago
Or will u tell me, all of these pple are also jealous of Ronaldo??
If anyone has had a change of mind about Messi being better dan cristiano, let dem come out and say it .... Please, if u from Nigeria, dnt come out.... we're too sentimental

Mrpsly247:
It means lil to nothing 4 me... It's his opinion
My opinion is such that both has reached the zenith of football talent optimization, that grafting them into different classes based on talent makes no sense anymore, instead I look at all other criterias as to their game to make my choice, from which I simply say I prefer Ronaldo to messi...

No one is Asking anyone to love Messi or prefer Messi... I'm only reminding you what Beckham said... it's Beckham's opinion....u av ur opinión too and so does everyone else

Beverlyjean:
That's y I said there's no guarantee that a fantastic player will do well in another team..alot of factors come in place... Messi might join man city and flop but could then b transferred to inter and will perform... But the reason y Ronaldo is something else is that he performs wherever he goes.. even if u say he goes to top clubs that y he performs... don't forget that Portugal was never among European elite buy he turned that team around... something Messi has failed to do with Argentina... A football power house

As Messi hasn't joined man city or joined anoda team or flopped, u guys can shut ur mouths up. Argue if he goes and flops.. trash Higuaín came to serie A and won golden boot with Napoli... Lukaku is having one of his bests scoring spells and ure here running ur mouth...
Zlatan and Ronaldo, who has travelled more
Did e flop??
Go and check Fifa ranking since 2013, Messi Argentina has always been on top...
Portugal only topped dem dis yr because of d nation's league..wait till copa America begins

Beverlyjean:
It's not Messi hatred...kaka was better than scholes that yr... I meant 2016 Barca's league victory...they won on the last day by 1 point thanks to Suarez scoring 4 goals ... talking about ghosting...Messi has been ghosting in finals of his national team... Batistuta has a better goal ratio than Messi in national team

Kaka better in 2008, I believe u meant 2007 cos e won d balon dor 4 his 2006-2007 performance.....

Scholes was Instrumental in 2008....just listen and be blessed..

2015/2016....Messi suffered alot of injuries from knee injury to kidney problem to back bruises. He missed alot of matches which made it a tight season for Barcelona....it was d same season where Suarez won golden boot.... Messi was injured throughout.....

Messi has been Ghosting in finals of his national team??...what has Ronaldo been doing... scoring hattricks??.. go back and rewatch Argentina vs Germany 2014 final and see wu created d most chances


"Batistuta has a better goal ratio than Messi in national team".... and so?? What's ur point??
Eusebio has a Better ratio dan Ronaldo

Beverlyjean:
People's opinion change... Some that said APC is the best have now changed mouth

How many others who once chose Messi have changed dia opinion??.....other dan d old man

Beverlyjean:
Apart from these two , is there anything else that Messi does better than Ronaldo...ok add free kicks...not like Ronaldo wasn't better at these b4 if not for age ...

Just a summary 4 u, d only category Ronaldo comes close to messi in individual ability, is in scoring....

In passing, Messi tops him
In, creating of chances, same, messi tops
Assists- same
Vision- same
Playmaking- same...


Freekick is just anoda way of scoring goals

Beverlyjean:
Pele na bad Belle cos he supports Ronaldo but Beckham Is not bad Belle shey?? Hypocrisy killing the world

Pele isn't bad belle but Pele is senile...d same pele wu said Messi is better in2014, 2016 and 2017 is d same pele dat's supporting Ronaldo in 2019...baba is old....know that now

Beverlyjean:
But she stated the obvious fact...u can't say a particular car is the best cos it's faster and it's more balanced on road...what of if it faces rocky roads or beach sand or even running thru pot holes, will it still perform?? Changing teams will most likely slow down ur performance... Scoring teams in Spain in the case of Messi is different from scoring in England... Messi has never scored Chelsea at Stamford bridge...

Messi has neva scored Chelsea at Stamford bridge.... evident u don't watch football....ur boyfriend or husband prolly told u all this

Beverlyjean:
According to what u are saying...it's easy to say that Ronaldo shines with whatever midfield he has... And scoles was not the best midfielder at that time. Lampard, Gerrard, kaka , iniesta, xavi were all better than him ...

U say they narrowly won it...dint barca narrowly win it the year b4 by 1 point ??

What has ozil won since he left Madrid??

All those Messi achievements u posted is crap... Stop posting children achievements....I wanna c manly achievements in the national team... What the hell is junior WC and Olympics?? Even Nigeria has achieved those as well...it was even Nigeria that they faced on both occasions... tournament awards are mostly given out of compensation..

Aunty....not whatever midfield he has....d best midfields..cos e is complaining of Juve's midfield....eRonaldo complained to Dybala in champions League against Lyon when dey wer 1 nil down....he said simply "we are on our own, d midfielders aren't giving us the ball".....
Messi drops deep in tough matches lyk dat once e doesn't get d ball... dat's y why wen e doesn't score, if Barcelona has a good striker, they should score as e always creates chances....evident wen Barcelona trashed Madrid 5-0....he didnt score but assisted twice....
D game against Liverpool in wich we lost 4-0, Liverpool completely swallowed our midfield and Messi had to drop deep to create Chance...He created d most chances BTW.....

Back to wer i stopped, U say Scholes wasn't d best midfielder in 2008
Which midfielder had greater form dan Scholes dat year...name one

Barca didn't win d laliga 2011 by 1point......
It's 4points, I'm a barca fan...makes no difference...
No one can deny that Real Madrid even with Ronaldo wer struggling against Guardiolas men dat period...

What has Ozil won since he left madrid- he's won lyk two or 3 FA cups..and don't undermine Ozils effort....D guy has really been trying for a struggling Arsenal for years now....he can only do his best...
Arsenal's been trash...u know....

Tournaments award are given as compensations.....lol
So they compensated Pele who won it,
De lima who won it
Zidane wu won it
Maradona who it...

So because Ronaldo never won something like dat, it's now a compensation prize....SMH
Pure Hatred!

Messi being Argentina's top scorer is crap too??

U Want to see manly achievements....but Ronaldo wasn't Man enough to play the euro final or Man enough not to ghost in the Nations league final


I was enjoying ur argument cos u wer stating some points....now all i see is hatred 4 Messi

Beverlyjean:
Point of correction... Ronaldo first played in a WC semi final b4 Messi ....in fact ,his spot kick was what sent them thru to the semi final... Now will u say okocha is the best African player ever?? When there is Roger Miller. Samuel etoo , George yeah... U need to understand football is not only about ur skills dribbling , mesmerizing alone... Football has different arts, the art of dribbling, the art of defending, the art of making exquisite passes, the art or positioning, the art of anticipation , the art of controlling the team, the art of pulling out wins out of nothing, the art of heading the ball, shooting ,the art of blending into a new team easily, understanding the coaching instructions, reading the game , saving penalties and scoring penalties and free kicks ... Now u Messi fans think that the best footballers are the dribblers alone, that's just one part of an art in football... achievements and reliability to win the toughest of games is what determines the best... So as longevity that both have

Wait first o..u av been mentioning dribble and mesmerising since....are u in any way saying that's only what Messi does??
Or Messi doesn't win Tough matches
Or Ronaldo wins all his tough matches??

GEEBITE:
Dont mind him he conveniently removed 1 goal from CR7's left footed goals .Adding that to it is 40 goals difference from their weaker foot which is a lor.Not to talk of a whopping 100 goals difference in headed goals.

if dey ask u how many goals Pele or romario scored, u can as well say dey are bad scorers because dey didnt score as much with dia head, preeq or weak foots as Ronaldo...rubbish talk
All these u mentioned are just qualities of a good scorer and Messi is one of d greatest scorers to play d game...if u lyk kill ursef because e doesn't score much wit his head.... Ronaldo can score with his head, left leg, right leg, chest, hand, preeq, bla bla bla.....but someone who is one dimensional still outscores u and has more European golden boots dan u...what a shame

Can you say d same about passing,
Can u say d same about dribbling??
Can you say d same about playmaking??

Beverlyjean:
When he was top scorer in 08 /09 at man u...was it modric and kroose that supplied him the passes?? He has been his team's outright top scorer for the past 11 yrs ... Whr was kroose and modric when he became the first man in la Liga to score 40 goals in one season?? Whr were they when he also won la Liga in 2012?? He is still doing it at juve at 35 despite juves slow style of attacking football...that's how u know s great man.... Messi can only play well in teams specially set up for him ....

Which midfielder was better dan Paul scholes in 2008??...go bak and look at dat Manutd team...der wer d best in d world u can't deny....

Whr was kroose and modric when he became the first man in la Liga to score 40 goals in one season??.... modric and kroos weren't der but Ozil was.... go and check how many times ozil assisted ronaldo dat year...Ozil just couldn't assist in the champions League... Messi scored 31 and assisted 18, whose record came close to that??

2012 was a lucky year for dem...evryone knows...dey won narrowly....did dey win it again till 2017??

Messi can only play well in team specially set up for him....is Argentina also specially set up for him
Because
He's d top scorer of the AFA
He's d only player to win all these;
World cup golden ball
U21 world cup golden ball
Copa America best young player
Golden boy
Copa America golden ball
Etc....

And below is dia achievements for the last decades... please count carefully and tell us d result
..
If it isn't clear enough for u to see, u can use d link
https://messivsronaldo.net/#honours

Beverlyjean:
Just as Ronaldo outclassed him in the CL by trophies and top scorer best player... And the CL supersedes any league

Totally outclassed....
Ova d last five years, true
Ova Ronaldo's nine yrs in Real Madrid, No

Beverlyjean:
The nations league is a major trophy played European standard with the best players in Europe participating....

Pls list their achievements in the past decade...

Madrid was like the present Milan till Ronaldo arrived... They hadn't appeared in a semi final in 6 yrs and was always trashed out after spending so much... Ronaldo turned the team around...

Had kroose or modric ever won a CL title b4?? Y dint they do it in their previous clubs??

If u read what I posted properly...u wud know that Messi had not outrightly won top scorer in the CL since 2012 until last season... He was joint with Neymar and Ronaldo...

They hv only faced 2ice ... Ronaldo had better stats than Messi in the 09 final...but they lost , so how did he ghost??

First off, Nations league is d equivalent of Copa del rey wich u claimed isn't a serious tournament

Achievements of Ronaldo and messi for the last decade coming through...


"Madrid was like the present Milan till Ronaldo arrived... They hadn't appeared in a semi final in 6 yrs and was always trashed out after spending so much... Ronaldo turned the team around" ....
..Nothing was turned around until fast forward to 2013 wen d right players wer bought....dey wer heavily dominated by Barcelona and Guardiola even with ronaldo before d arrival of kroos and modric in 2013...u cant deny that....

No doubt Ronaldo is a great goal scorer....you can't deny that Modric and kroos are reaped the benefits of being world class midfielders by having a good forward like Ronaldo who finishes the attacks..... evidently, before kroos and Modric, Messi was always champions League top scorer...
Ronaldo peaked up when kroos and modric came over...

"Messi had not outrightly won top scorer in the CL since 2012 until last season... He was joint with Neymar and Ronaldo"....True Modric and kroos changed dat...and Ronaldo joined juve leaving kroos and modric...did he win top scorer of d champions League last year??

U can't deny d impact Real Madrid had on Ronaldo's career

"Ronaldo had better stats than Messi in the 09 final"........ astonishing!.... explain...messi was d highest Goal scorer in d competition with 9 goals... Messi scored a goal in d final and Ronaldo went blank....so explain to me how

Beverlyjean:
Mentioning 9yrs in this context is crap cos u can talking about relic trophies... The past 5 yrs ... Like comparing man u to man city now and u start mention the fergie yrs that was long time ago

So, has Messi not won a League trophy for d past 5yrs?, 4yrs?, 3yrs?,2yrs,??
You keep Undermining Messi's effort in the League because he totally outclassed Ronaldo in the League during Ronaldo's stay...
Do u also Undermine Messi's effort in the previous champions League tournament....u can as well do dat because dey lost to Liverpool...
Thank God for football award like balon d or, golden boot, etc...even when a team fails u, u get recognised for ur brilliance

Beverlyjean:
The only 2 serious trophies in club football is CL and league...the rest is just a bunch of crap( world club cup inclusive)

So what if Madrid have won it once in 5 yrs ?? At least it was recent 2016/17...

U just said The league trophy is serious, how many did Ronaldo win in 9years and how many champions League did messi win in 9years??

Beverlyjean:
Stop giving us dinosaur records, past glory ... Champions league supersedes any European club trophy... Ronaldo has achieved more in the past decade than Messi ... Many teams win league titles in Europe yearly but only one team wins the champions league ... He has even won 2 major trophies for Portugal ( a weak European team that had never appeared in any final in history till Ronaldo became a part of the team) ... U guys think that dribbling and mesmerizing is what football is about.. leadership matters as well as taking control of the game when ur team mates are down and out... If not for Ronaldo, Madrid and Portugal wud hv been doomed ... Took man u to 2 finals, since he left , man u hvnt seen semi finals...

Messi is nothing but a local la Liga champion...that is the only thing he wins with with top scorer on the league as well... Won his first outright top scorer in the CL for the first last season since 2012

Won two major trophies for Portugal.....Euro2016 and which

You claim Ronaldo has achieve more in 10years.... should i list their achievements??

If not for Ronaldo, real Madrid wud av bin doomed....i can't expect any worse than this from a girl ...real Madrid had d most European trophy before and after Ronaldo came.....more like if not for Madrid, Ronaldo wub av bin doomed...i still ask, where was Ronaldo's leadership before d arrival of kroos and modric

Since Ronaldo left, Man u hasn't seen semi final??...was ronaldo in d Man u team that played 2011 champions League final?? ....d question is how many EPL team have been to the Champions League final since 2011??...not just man utd....stop gving underserved Credit to Ronaldo cos u luv him

Wu won top scorer in champions League in 2015??


Messi is nothing but a local la liga champion?? ...But anytime e faces Ronaldo in the champions League, Ronaldo ghosts