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barackodam:
I think that post merely showed that there are much more Messi cocksuckers than there are Barcelona fans.

True o...and there are also more Ronaldo cocksuckers than there are juventus fans

Jokerman:
Nope there's a pic there showing Messi lifting something like a trophy...

That's the Superclasico de las Americas trophy...
It's an annual friendly match played between Argentina and Brazil

Jokerman:
Yes bro... I need the name of the trophy.. because from records, Messi has won nothing for Argentina except junior competitions...

That's Messi's world cup golden ball...and yes, messi hasn't won a major trophy with Argentina...so what's the argument

Jokerman:
Lol... ... Bro, are you frightened to tell us the name of the trophy ni.....

Should I come in?

Jokerman:
Yes... Of I ask you to list your top 10 now, your bias mind will put Messi in number 1

Lol... I won't, honestly..to me,
Ronaldo de lima is d Greatest....he was just too talented....
Injury took a good part of his career

Jokerman:
This is my list of greater ever players

Pele
Maradona

Zidane
Delima
Cristiano
Messi (until he win something for Argentina )

Cryuff
Ronaldinho
Beckenbauer
Di stephano

It is ur list....4 u alone
Not 4 d world

Jokerman:
World cup

Okay....with ur logic, it means
Zidane is far greater than Ronaldo
Rivaldo. ". ". "
Ronaldinho
Kaka
Etc
??

Jokerman:
Hmmmm ok.... Since they didn't win the golden ball na.... ... Buh I get you now though

Thank you

Jokerman:
If ronaldo got the world cup finals, he might have won the best player, who knows, like how Messi and modric won theirs.....

Lol....modric?? So modric is more recognized than these names in world cup too....

Miroslav Klose
Andrea Pirlo
Francesco totti
Andreas Iniesta
Xavi Hernandez
Maldini
Sergio Ramos
Ronaldinho
Cafu
Mesut oezil
Thomas Muller
Wesley sneijder

All these players u mentioned all won the world cup except sneidjet.
How can modric b more recognised dan dem... reason well na

Jokerman:
Oga Pele never played in Europe but he won the equivalent of the UCL in his time at Santos...(Copa libertadores)... And 3 world cups.... That's why he's the greatest....

The reason why Ronaldo is greater than Messi is national team trophy ...


For a player of Messi Calibre and greatness, he ought to have won 1, even if it's Copa America

Use this same logic of urs to judge maradona and tell me y u think e is above ronaldo

Jokerman:
Messi is to blame for Argentina woes. How can you call yourself a great player and you country appeared in 4 finals, and you lost all??

You need to have a paradigm shift

Zidane appeared in 3 finals, won 2
Delima appeared in 3 finals, won 2
Cronaldo appear in 3 finals, win 2
Maradona appeared in 2 finals, won 1
Pele appeared in 4 finals, won 3
Messi appeared in 4 finals, won nothing... And you are here making mouth...

Do u know something common about each of these players excluding Ronaldo??
Dey all proved dem selves in d world cup by winning best player of the tournament.

With or without a world cup? Do u know dat Modric is more recognised in world cup competition than ronaldo can eva be??

Jokerman:
Lol... No.

Pele is the greatest player of a time, followed by Maradona.

I'm only comparing Ronaldo and Messi because they are era -mates

Why doesn't dat logic apply to pele and Maradona na... Lógic man

Jokerman:
Lol...
Zidane

WC
Euros
UCL
3 FIFA best player
Laliga best player
SerieA best player
WC golden ball
Euros golden ball
1 european best player (ballondor)
Ligue 1 best player
Best french player of all time
Golden foot award
Uefa best player of the year

Ronaldo de Lima

2 world cup
2 Copa America
0 UCL
3 FIFA best player
COPA America golden ball
2 European best player (ballondor)
1 FIFA golden ball
SerieA Best player
Laliga best player
Golden foot award
Uefa best player of the year

As you can, zidane pips delima because of his 0 UCL ....

Ronaldo

EPL best player
Laliga best player
SerieA best player

Messi

Laliga best player

Oga sir, in world cup and champions League, which one is greater??
Ronaldo de lima won two world cups...
If dat is not greater than Zidane winning a world cup and a champions League, den i don't knw wat to tell u
Ronaldo delima also won two balon d ors..na wa o.
What do u think is one of d reasons y people rate pele so high.....na 3 world cups wey e carry.... U dey hear me??




And 4 dis ur reason,
Ronaldo

EPL best player
Laliga best player
SerieA best player

Messi

Laliga best player

It's just too lame

Is Ronaldo also better than pele or Maradona because e won best player in epl, laliga and serie A and dey didn't
If ur answer is yes, den I'm done arguing with u

Jokerman:
If I ask you how you pick overall best now, you will start writing Epistles upon Epistles... I'm not telling you Messi is not the better player on the pitch I'm saying Ronaldo is just greater when it comes to football as a whole..... Greatness is determined by what youve acheived and this is still why Pele and Maradona still tops Messi and Ronaldo, and also why Zidane tops Delima, or why Ronaldo tops cryuff.. Greatness is why Kanu tops Okocha(we all know Okocha is a better footballer than Kanu) greatness is why Ferguson and Mou still tops Guardiola... Ronaldinho is a better by far footballer than Ronaldo, buh Ronaldo is already greater than ronaldinho when it comes to football... Hope you understand??

Zidane is greater dan delima....u just confirmed u'v bin taking dat drug again...

Oga, I'm asking u again...gv us ur little explanation 4 ronaldo being greater dan messi na let me shock u

DrayZee:
Does Fifa even recognise number of dribbles as a statistic? Dont Messi's fans always find a way to pull it out? Una get stats for chances created, key passes, even a new one..."pre-assist". At least the video of Ronaldos’ is available to check if you want. If you see a video of a match where Messi had higher, you can try to counter it.

And you're still talking about this international trophy. I'm sure at this point, you weren't paying serious attention to fanatics before 2016. I don't have anything to say about that. The truth remains that Messi's fans said Ronaldo had never gone anywhere far with his country, due to Messi reaching World Cup finals. Then that changed and the table turned. That's why most Ronaldo fans talk about it.

Good...you've proven they both miss penalties. But I don't know how you're managing to tell yourself that it's not Messi's fault that he doesnt have the Copa America even when he missed that penalty in a "Penalty Shootout". Whose fault is it then? Stop being sentimental, I've not heard anyone say anything like this before. Even you just implied (and I agree) that Ronaldo's penalty miss is the reason why he didn't win La Liga at least twice. But somehow, you want to turn it around for Messi. Stop all this unnecessary defence. That's how you guys were trying to push blame to Dybala and Higuain.
You call this spiteful? Maybe you should open that Nairaland thread again and learn the true meaning of the word “spiteful”.

You've dropped facts. All I've dropped are also facts. Messi is a very likeable person, I also enjoy his football. But those narcissistic lot that call themselves his fans who won't let another person prefer a different player in peace, are the reason for all this negativity. There's a stark difference between Messi and most of his fans.

This really shows u don't watch football or read it's news and only talk from hearsay...
U say Messi's fans always find a way to pull out stats for chances created, key passes, even a new one..."pre-assist".
If u must know, unlike u, no one is pulling out any stats.
If u read football news, u shud u know abt Opta Sports, It is d official data partner of premier League, EFL, laliga, MLS, sky sports, arsenal, etc...They provide sports data, analytics and stats to make fans more interested and feel d game and they provide these player stats

Now, u'v admitted dat dat site isn't credible and no one else recognizes dat stat even in d internet..

Again, u say, At least the video of Ronaldos’ is available to check...now u'v shifted to video, it's no longer online....how lame

U are asking me to go and rewatch manutd vs benfica 2006 full match to confirm if Ronaldo truely made 20 successful dribbles....how lame again.
They're pple whose jobs are to do dat officially.

Again, u are still on d topic dat it's messi fault dat e didn't win copa America 2016....
They man missed a penalty...d opponent also missed
But another Argentina player missed again- Bigla
Ronaldo fans dont blame Bigla, why messi...u guys are just bitter and unreasonable

Copa America 2015, Messi scored a penalty but his teammates missed two, is it also Messi's fault??
For ur information.... Someone must lost a penalty for d opponent to win.... it's a thing of luck...stop talking like an amateur...arrrgh

Listen, about Ronaldo's penalty misses, no one is blaming him, penalties are 50 50 chances....or do u hear anyone blame ronaldo 4 missing penalty...i just brought dat up to show u dat even great players miss penalties...

And about the world spiteful, if u no sabi English,
According to the Oxford learners dictionary (2020),
Spiteful means behaving in an unkind way in order to hurt or upset someone.
Example- The teacher made spiteful little jokes about my mother to upset me
Do i need to remind u dat u ronaldo fans are only saying all these rubbish to upset or annoy messi fans

DrayZee:
Stop abeg. You’re ignoring fact just to attempt proving a point.
First of all... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=2ahUKEwiq0uLU6tToAhX9ThUIHcEYDjAQFjABegQIDBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportbible.com%2Ffootball%2Fskills-stats-the-game-where-cristiano-ronaldo-completed-20-dribbles-in-one-game-20191211&usg=AOvVaw3snrVJ8MofHtiKyvppG9EU
Secondly, you saying no one trolled Ronaldo for not having an international trophy just tells me you know next to nothing about Ronaldo before 2016. Core Messi fans won’t say this, they know he was trolled for it. Why do you think Ronaldo fans mention international trophy all the time?
Thirdly, that 2008 match you brought up, Ronaldo was the one who scored the goal that made them reach penalties in the first place. You know quite well it would be a major low point of his career if he wasn’t the one who took them to the penalties.

Well, no need to drag this further. Messi fans know how much they hate Ronaldo, you might not hate him, but don’t go speaking for others, cuz even they won’t agree with you. If you still think I’m lying, look at page 1 of this thread, https://www.nairaland.com/5775007/cute-family-photos-lionel-messi a thread that isn’t about Ronaldo in any way, yet see the response of Messi fans.

Oga...come on�....some man called mike parrott wakes up one morning, types and posts one rubbish e felt lyk posting and u fell 4 it....
Ok, if u tink it truely is a record held by Ronaldo, y is the news nowhere else in d internet apart from there..??
Why does Uefa not recognize that record??
Y is dat record not part of Ronaldo's European records dat are on his Wikipedia page

And Oga...u claim Messi fans troll Ronaldo 4 nt aving international trophy, hear urself, how possible?....does messi av one....do u troll someone with what u dnt av... stop argueing, Messi fans neva troll Ronaldo 4 dat unless u re d one trolling ursef.

Lastly, dat's not d only time Ronaldo has missed a crucial penalty, in d semifinal against Barcelona in 2011, did Ronaldo miss a penalty or not
In season 2014/15, did Ronaldo not miss a crucial penalty against Valencia in Laliga due to which Barcelona won the league
did he or did he not miss a crucial penalty against malaga in Laliga 15/16 dueto which Barcelona won the league....did d world shoot him??
Messi missed a penalty against Chile and u open ur mouth to say dat e is the reason why e hasn't won a trophy- this is d most spiteful thing I've eva heard from a Ronaldo fan...

And also, i don't care if anyone hates Ronaldo, I'm just here to state facts

Jokerman:
I know it's only Messi that does spectacular things on the field na aside scoring

Get a grip on urself....
If u av a problem or argument to make, simply make it instead of hiding ur tears behind laughter

light099:
You should have noticed I love Ronaldo. Messi is this shy introverted guy and does not really have a social life, where as Ronaldo is one lively guy I like, he's adventurous and enjoys life. This is the point where sentiment comes in for most people, but I know so well that I shouldn't mix things together. That's the way to enjoy the best of life. If I allow prejudice, because I don't like Messi's lifestyle, I would have been blind to his talent, to realize how amazing he is. That's why I always break everything down to details in life so as to clearly see the best choice in any given situation.
I love both of them and I'm not expected to be bias. I love one on the field, i love the other outside the field.

Your honesty earned you this

Jokerman:
You are just a Ronaldo hater .... On the pitch of play Ronaldo does nothing... Lol... No worry na

E didn't say Ronaldo doesn't do anything....
He said Ronaldo doesn't do anything spectacular aside scoring....
Make una try dey read well abeg

Jokerman:
Bro I'm not arguing that on the pitch of play Messi isn't better, but football as a whole, Ronaldo is greater

In what aspects, explain let's start from there

Jokerman:
You have shifted the goal post again ... If I bring his chance created stats again, you will still shift to another thing...

Well Pele is more credible than Kaka...

U don't read to understand....go back and read all my comments gently...


Pele is more credible dan Kaka- Just reread the rubbish you just typed...
A senile man who has chosen Messi at some point and chosen ronaldo at some point is credible??
Oga, it's not credibility, it's opinion

Jokerman:
So ronaldo never played entertainment football before??

Or perhaps Ibrahimovic is now boring too??

You Messi fans, well your bullshitz can stop ronaldo from being one of the greatest...coz if not Pele and Maradona, he would have been the greatest then Messi

Can i ask u simple question??
Why do u think e is greater than Messi??

Jokerman:
I just gave you the credible source of the dribbles... Why not check it out on Google.. Man UTD vs Benfica.. (2006 UCL match)

Pele actually picked Ronaldo over Messi.. anyways

Oga, google is a search engine not a sportscaster...
Google directs u 2 a site...give us dat site let us see

And about Pele, I laugh, u want to bring dis one abi??
baba u If are really a social media person, u'll know Pele is really confused..der are several videos of Pele siding messi at one point in time and siding Ronaldo at anoda point in time..he is already acting senile....

"Pele actually picked Ronaldo over Messi"....what do u mean by dis statement

Ronaldo de lima says Messi is better
Maradona ". ". ". "
Johan cruyff
Rooney
Figo
Lampard
Henry
Guardiola
Klopp
Van dijk
Salah
Mane
TAA
Robertson
De ligt
Xavi
Iniesta
Rivaldo
Ronaldinho
Totti
And son on
Majority of the world think Messi is better

So, what exactly are u driving at

Jokerman:
A player who people claim isn't a playmaker contributing 253 assists?? Do you know what this is??

This player doesn't play set pieces o (corner kicks and long free kicks),coz he's the one who heads the ball... And still has 253 assists in his career??

How many playmakers has/had this number of assist?? Moreover if benzemiss usually score his goals, the assist stats might have been higher....

The earlier u understand dat creating chances and creating assists are two different things, d better 4 u

DrayZee:
Google will solve your first paragraph. Most dribbles in a single game= Cristiano Ronaldo...he might not be the best dribbler in the world, but he once was, and he still holds that particular record.
Yeah, Messi does all that, cuz it's natural to do in his position, and he's good enough to get them done. Maybe we should start judging Messi by how many times he cuts and lands the ball in the top corner, or how many of his crosses lead to goal, since you're can ignore the fact that they play different positions.
Baba, when Ronaldo didn't have International trophy, y'all trolled him with it. He has it now, so stop telling me about someone who is literally the reason why he doesn't have an international trophy for his country. All applauds to him for winning the golden ball, but he still doesn't have any international trophy. That's the truth.
The Xavi and Iniesta talk is cap...As far as I'm concerned, Suarez is a bigger help to Messi than those guys. The Barcelona talk however is true.

See...that people think Messi is the goat doesn't bother me. He's a stellar player and has a very good claim to that title. But if Messi's fans think they'll prove that by lying agaisnt Ronaldo, pouring insult all over his social media and undermining his efforts, then they have another thing coming. That's insecurity at it's finest. You guys wouldn't hate Ronaldo that much if he was as bad as y'all claim he is

Oga...drop d link to wereva u got the stats from na...let the whole of Nairaland help us judge if it's credible or not..
I keep repeating it... Nobody is hating on Ronaldo
D difference between u and d point is really far...try coming back to d point.
The point is if Messi is better than Ronaldo as claimed by Kaka.
And who trolled Ronaldo 4 not aving international trophy... definitely not me or Messi fans ..

Messi is literally d reason y e doesn't av an international trophy
Because e lost a penalty? I'm beginning to think u ar being unreasonable.....even the greatest players lose penalties.... Ronaldo lost a penalty in 2008 champions League final, did the world shoot him?, his teammates made-up for it and dey won d champions League....So, Señor, What is ur point

Jokerman:
Oga, so modric that won golden ball is better than Xavi and Iniesta, well that's true anyway coz modric has ballondor (football biggest individual price)

Ronaldo has the highest assists in UCL history and Euros history....

Ronaldo has the highest dribbles in a match against Benfica in a champions league match for man utd. Man utd won 1-0, Saha scored from Ronaldo assist.

Ronaldo is the active player with the most freekick goals

Ronaldo has always been a winger. He never played 10, buh that doesn't mean he can't playmaker... Many wingers can also playmake... Di Maria, Giggs, cantona, Henry, Figo, Hazard, Pele....

Many wingers and strikers in football are better than many 10s. Figo is better than Iniesta or Xavi. Cantona, Pele, Henry, Van Basten, Dennis Bergkamp, Pires, etc

You Messi fans just like degrading Ronaldo to make Messi look good... Everyone knows Messi is great, yet you keep churning out rubbish daily to discredit Ronaldo.... Na wa o

Dis man that doesn't read carefully ,u av come again
Ronaldo has the highest dribbles in a match.... show me d credible source u got it from
I know where u can find all Ronaldo's individual record 4 man utd...if u need it, ask me and stop spilling wat u dnt knw...

Ronaldo has the highest assists in UCL history and Euros history....well, Messi has the most assists in Laliga, copa America and football history

Ronaldo is the active player with the most freekick goals- Nobody is arguing with u
Who told u ronaldo can play 10, av u seen him play it or is it just ur assumption...no vex me o

(Many wingers and strikers in football are better than many 10s. Figo is better than Iniesta or Xavi. Cantona, Pele, Henry, Van Basten, Dennis Bergkamp, Pires, etc)- total Rubbish.
nobody is arguing all these...and stop comparing forwards with midfielders, they are different type of players. U can as well compare Messi with Buffon
And FYI, Figo is a winger and also a midfielder...what will u call Hazard; winger or midfielder?...e is both
Evry1 knows Ronaldo is just a forward...stop arguing dat e is a playmaker or midfielder...Inugo??

What we are arguing abt is if Kaka is right about Messi being better than Ronaldo...u nid to go bk and read d topic

DrayZee:
Delusion. Ronaldo has the record for most dribbles in a game (20). Tell me something else.

Messi has places he’s the best, Ronaldo has places he’s the best. But delusional Messi fans will prefer to insult Ronaldo over the things he’s good at, just to make Messi seem better. He’s better at taking penalties than Messi, they chose to call him Penaldo. Messi cannot even head ball, but because Ronaldo will be in the box so he can use his head, they’ve turned being in the box against him. He has succeeded in every place, whether club or country, but Messi fans will say Messi is loyal to Barcelona and that Ronaldo’s Portugal teammates are better than the ones Messi has in Argentina...a blatant lie. You see how narcissistic you guys are. Pushing false narrative to make Messi seem better. If he was that good, there shouldn’t be any need for all these lies na. You don’t see Ronaldo fans lying against Messi...we don’t need lies to know who is greater.

It’s only hate you guys have for Ronaldo. Nothing but hate.

Oga abegi.. Ronaldo doesn't have the record 4 most dribbles in a game...show me the credible page dat gave u that stat....
Opta began tracking dribbling stats since 2006 and Messi has completed most dribbles
Nobody is insulting Ronaldo at what e is not good at
U claim e is better at heading, scoring penalties....all these u mentioned are they not d same thing as scoring goals..
Let me break it down for u
Both Heading and penalty are under goalscoring and dat's d only category Ronaldo is comparable to Messi....u can't deny Messi and Ronaldo are on levels in goal scoring- I don't care how dey score it(either penalties, headers)
But in d other category lyk playmaking- incase u dont knw wu a playmaker is, they are sometimes called the "number 10" of the team, as they often wear d numba 10 jersey. Dey usually sit in a free role between the midfield and the forwards, either in the centre of the pitch or on either flank an dey are also usually quick, agile, and highly technical players with good vision, shooting, passing, crossing and dribbling ability; they are known for scoring goals as well as providing assists, through-balls, and initiating attacking plays.
Messi does all these things and still tops goal charts...
Y do u think dey call Messi god of football??
Simple, e does all these things effectively, one pesin o
That's exactly what kaka is trying to explain to u Ronaldo fans..

And u say Ronaldo fans don't push false narratives to make ronaldo better??
Who always says Messi should prove himself in another team because Ronaldo has proven himself in epl, laliga, Jupiter, mercury, Saturn?

Who always says Messi shud win international trophy first Someone dat got to the final of the biggest football stage and won golden ball- u think world cup golden ball is for any type of player??...

Who always says Messi won't perform without iniesta and xavi

Read well o

DrayZee:
Load of cap. Talking about age, yet he’s still top 5 goal scorers in the present season. Y’all say he doesn’t assist, I showed you stats, you’re coming here to give me excuses. There’s nothing Ronaldo does not do in football...nothing. Dribbling, assists, goals, key passes, skills from step overs, to Ronaldo chop, to juggling with shoulder, back pass, back flick assists and goals, nutmegs, headers...he does them ALL.
If you like don’t watch his games, be there lying to yourself that Ronaldo only scores goals. If you no like the guy, at least leave him alone, instead of lying to yourself.
He’s playing his own game, we’re stanning him...why the hell is it always disturbing you people?

Even lingard dribbles, assists, scores, gives key passes, does step overs, juggles, does everything...u can as well compare him to Ronaldo...

Show me any year where Ronaldo comes out as the player with the most dribbles, assists, key passes in Europe top 5 leagues..

We are talking of someone that comes top in all these categories every year and still competes with and beats Ronaldo in most goals in top 5 leagues yearly

Jokerman:
So Samuel etoo is not a Barca legend??

Etoo... 2003 to 2009

Cr7... Man utd
2003- 2009

Buh Ronaldo is a Madrid legend
2009-2018

Oga Ronaldo is a man utd and EPL legend... check out what he won that made him so

Ronaldo is d highest goal scorer in Madrid's history for crying out loud

Jokerman:
Neymar more creative than Ronaldo... Lol?? Ok lemme ask you some players and tell us they are not creative

Thierry Henry
Ronaldo del Lima
George weah
Robert pires
Hazard
Pele
Luis Figo
Wayne Rooney
Ryan Giggs
Eric cantona

Now because these players aren't classic no10s, they aren't creative?

You are just a biased Ronaldo hater. No objectivity from you....you can even say Pogba, pjanic etc are more creative than ronaldo because they play the 10 role...

However lemme ask you CR7, Xavi, Iniesta, Cryuff who is greatest amongst the 4?

Oga no one is hating on u....we are just stating fact...open ur eyes... Ronaldo is my favourite player after messi, delima, ronaldinho and zidane...he has d mentality of a winner..
Take ur tym to read all I've explained to u...if u had read dem more carefully, u won't b asking me d questions above

Jokerman:
Are Henry, lampard , Gerrard, Rooney EPL legends??

Are Rooney, Beckham, cantona, scholes, Roy Keane man utd legends?

Check how many years Lampard played 4 Chelsea...e even captained dem
D the same for Gerard for Liverpool...he captained Liverpool too
Check how many years, Rooney, Beckham, scholes and Roy Keane all played 4 man utd....dey all captained Man utd. Even cantona
U tink is by coming to win one champions League and league and running away dat makes u a Legend

Jokerman:
Lol... Na you know

Don't compare a Barcelona and laliga legend to a man utd and EPL legend, real Madrid and laliga legend, and a Portuguese legend

Be warned!!

Oga stop using English dat u don't know.... Ronaldo is not a Man U legend or Epl Legend...he is legendary 4 only his national team and also real Madrid