₦airaland Forum

vigasimple:
First and foremost, The judiciary was freed by OBJ. He didn't try to stiffle them like all the people before him.

He may not obey some of the decision or on time but he allow them to rule even when it is against him. Rememebr all those proceddings by ATIKU etc.

Also OBJ should be given credit for 'selecting' YAR ADUA because he is by far the better of all the other candidates including Bhuari, Atiku and all the Governors. He is a safe pair of hands in most peoples opinion and less corrupt. So OBJ definitely have good intentuions for Nigerians, even if you think he is trying to cover his back. He could have as well 'select' either IBORI or ODILLI and still cover his back.

Whether or not he prosecute OBJ, IBB etc is another matter for reasons that may only be well know to him.

The other problem is that it is the PDP that put Yar Adua in office and I am afraid he is unlikely to prosecute all the Governors that ' gave way' for him. IBORI , ODILLI etc

I for one don't think that Yar ADua has the 'toughness' required to govern Nigerians.

However, if he is able to appoint people who can do that for him because of his health and the type of person he is (his personality and demeanour) and just apply intellectual approach to the challenges then he stand a chance.

But seeing from his appointments and pronoucements so far I think he is many miles away from making any serious impact. (Maybe he needed OBJ- as if you will remember OBJ single handely campaign for him on campaign rounds and 'annointing him' among his fellow governors)

I hope he can sleep one night and God to visit him and explain how to run the country properly.

As far as I am concern, it is all soundbite- where is the War (state of emergency) on Energy/Power and all the other 7 progamm agenda.

I will pray for new things and beginings because it appears that it is just business as usual. Remember OBJ promised Electricity in 1999 and 8 years later, it even got worse. NIGERIANS WE NEED SERIOUSE PRAYERS FOR GOD TO TAKE CONTROL AND BY HIS SPECIAL GRACE HE WILL TAKE CONTROL OF MINDS OF OUR LEADERS TO START TO RUN THE COUNTRY PROPERLY.

Bro, did you write this b/c you were in a hurry to hit your bed or something ?

davidylan:
You are very right. Black people indeed are the only ones who are clueless enough to assume that when you query your "elected" officials you are "judging" them. Black Africa is the only continent where we forever make excuses for the ineptitude of our government officials (the latest one being . . . he is only 5 months on the job), black people are the only people i know who elect officials who have no specific goals for office besides the cliched "we will continue with nebulous reforms".

Black people are indeed engineered to be genetically stupid.

You don't need to bother responding to certain "contributions". You shld know by now that not all of us are comfortable with opposing oppinions.

He was a "good" governor based on what? What really are the yardstick with which we measure "good governance" in Nigeria? That he didnt loot the treasury blind? Why then did he take the first emergency flight to Germany if he had put in adequate health facilities in Katsina despite having 8 years to do so?

Until we start asking critical questions, until we put our so-called political office holders under the lens of public scrutiny we will continue to be the laughing stock of the rest of the world.
Do we even have any benchmarks for evaluating the Yar Asleep administration? All we here of is reforms.

I`m all for probity and accountability. I`m for treating the electoral process as sancrosant. But, of equal importance is the need to be realistic in all our expectations. Not even in the developed nations could one be sure that the electoral process is going to deliver the best candidate. How could one be sure that a free and fair election this year would not have led to the election of either Babangida or Atiku Abubarka ? Of course, just like you, I would prefer a free and fair election that bring about the election of Nzeribe or Adedibu rather than the constant wishy-washy we engage in. However,we are where we are today and we have to deal with here and now.
Feel free to enlighten me on the Governors in the last dispensation that you consider to be more credible than the current president. Everything in life is relative, I`m just being realistic in my assessment of the state of our nation-not in any way suggesting that we have got the best. Fact is, no nation in today`s world has a credible political system; definitely not in America and not in this England. The only thing that varies is the degree of rot

davidylan:
You have acknowledged two important points that should make every Nigerian squirm with discomfort.
1. Yar Adua knows LITTLE about Nigeria. Then WHY ONE EARTH is he president? Out of 140m Nigerians is there no one that knows the country better? Why do we consistently put into office people with NO experience of what they are supposed to do? Is the office of president a place to do on-the-job training?

2. The fact that we are comfortable enough to realise that Yar Adua was selected by OBJ should be enough to make a mockery of the charade we call (s)elections.

Absolutely, those are two important anormalies that should worry us all. But, my brother, this president was a good Governor in his state b/4 contesting that presidential elections. In other words, we can`t be too sure that a free and fair election would not have catapaulted him to Aso Rock. His main sin in the eyes of Nigerians seem to be his association with Obasanjo. I`ve always made it clear that Buhari is my favourite in Nigeria, but I would rather have this Yar Adua than legendary criminals like Babangida or Obasanjo

You guys are missing an important point here. The one that started promisingly in 1999 later became a monumental failure! People like Babangida and Obasanjo knew Nigeria inside out long b/4 they became whatever they called themselves, but here is a man that knows very little about Nigeria who was giving this job b/c Obasanjo saw him as a safe hand that would continue to shield him from standing trial for all the crimes he committed while in office. It`s going to take some time b/4 he can start to deliver

@deen:

You are funny! Justice Belgore didn`t join the judiciary yesterday; where was he when Nigeria was burning ? All the people giving these judgements used to catch cold whenever dictators sneezed in the past. If all past Presidents had respected the judiciary the way the current President has, we wouldn`t be where we are today. I think we should be patient with him!

Mamajama:
@Bankole01 why do you guys like talking on issues that you can't defend?

Were you Aware the people you just listed were initially arrestred and prosecuted. The SO called COURT OF LAW released this people. if OBJ OR TAFA BALOGUN that was the IGP then re arrest them, what will you and all this people calling for rule of law be saying?

KAI NIGERIANS AND THEIR BIG RUMORS MOUTH, na wah

P-L-E-A-S-E, give us a break!!!! Pa Ige was murdered so that Obasanjo, Bode George and Atiku Abubakar could `capture` the South West of Nigeria. Haven`t you heard of show-trial before ? All those guys being prosecuted were just carrying out Baba`s order!

[/quote][quote author=naijaking1 link=topic=88434.msg1622333#msg1622333 date=1193431506]How about Ukiwe for president, and Buhari for vice.

I think the unwritten rule that has ensured the rotation of power b/w North and South is something worthy of hanging on to. So, after Obasanjo, the best person from the North is Buhari or Balarabe Musa. People always talk of Idiagbon that was this and that, they have forgotten that the only reason why a no2 can do well in any dispensation is if the no1 allows him to- a good no2 can never do well under a bad no1. Both Buhari and Idiagbon were principled leaders who really meant well for the country during their time. And I`ve always believed that Idiagbon and Ukiwe have alot in common. Next time that power shifts to the South, Ukiwe would then be in the best position to take over from Buhari. Another thing in the way of your suggestion is the fact that Buhari was Ukiwe`s senior in the military, Buhari is not one of those anything-goes kind of leader that would accept to serve under his junior; he wouldn`t just do it!

babasin:
yaradua is spineless: he is on stolen mandate. He himself agreed.

and courts have further shown us by removing fake governors right and left,

the honourable thing is call for fresh election, which must be free and fair.

Don`t you think there is a relationship b/w him and these court decisions you mentioned ? Those court decisions used to mean nothing in Nigeria when the criminal that handed over to him was there. Granted his is a stolen mandate, but that shouldn`t stop us from acknowledging it whenever he does the right thing. As far as I`m concerned, complying with court decisions is one of the fundamental pre-requisites of true democracy.It shows the judiciary is independent, which means that the rule of law can be protected

So far, so good!

I may not know who killied him since I was not in his bedroom when he was killed, but I know there is nothing to suggest that Obasanjo, Atiku Abubarka and Bode George didn`t either! So all those guys being prosecuted can`t be the main murderers!!!

That has to be Gen. Buhari with Ubitu Ukiwe as his vice.

Aren`t they birds of the same feather ? The evil trinity that comprises Olusegun Obasanjo, Lamidi adedibu and Olabode George have destroyed the political reputation of the South-West of Nigeria. Both Adedibu and Bode Goerge have become what they are today because they know that the shoulders of Obasanjo are always there for them to stand on. But the truth about Obasanjo would always remain that, if someone had not thrown the military uniform at him, he would have ended up as a road-side extortionist robbing the crippled and stealing from the elderly; a natural-born hooligan that the Northern oligarchy imposed on Nigeria because it suited them. On the other hand, however, it can we argued that the only reason why they are holding us to ransom is because we allow them!

@ Poster:

I was truly angry at first to read what you posted here, but the freedom to post and debate is very important in a forum such as this. It`s always a sad day for me whenever I bump into someone with the type of thought process you`ve displayed here.I guess the only way to gain from reading this thread is to leave you with something to think about. What I want you to ask yourself is simpe: since the white man came in contact with the black man, do you know of anything that is exclusively african that the white man has ever embraced ? In other words, do you know of anything they do today that they have copied from african culture? As I`ve said, you don`t need to share your answer with me-just ruminate!!!

Hi guys,

This is a controversial topic that all of us should be able to handle with some maturity. Naturally, views would differ, but that doesn`t mean we should allow emotions to dictate our reactions to views that are different from ours. Is there anyone here that is expecting everyone to agree with the poster ? So, let`s show some tolerance for other opinions as well as some respect for whoever the poster of that opinion is. There is no need for all the juvenile banter that have been floating back and forth here; I`m sure we can all do better than that!!!

@rachiwise: Thanks for your comments!!! That is the nice thing about this forum, we all learn from each other. Have a peaceful week !!!

Just as the guy that started this thread streched things too far, so have most of us here exaggerated a little. The way we have been putting it, really, it`s as if the UK is a perfect nation-state without any weaknesses. I find it very difficult to accept that there is no department of life where things are better in Nigeria than here in the UK, or other Western countries, for that matter. One thing that is very common in the West is their hating nature; that is not something that we have in Nigeria. White people do not go to Nigeria or anywhere in Africa to be treated poorly, but that is very common here. This then leads directly to what you guys have been discussing-security. Well, it`s possible so many of us do not feel safe in Nigeria, but it can be argued that there are many areas you can`t go freely in virtually all western countries b/c of the colour of your skin. It was on the news recently that some Somalians have to vacate their homes b/c of fear for dear lives. So, racially motivated crime is as bad as the danger one faces on the street of Lagos, at times.

Pataki ( from The Netherlands ) also made references to the state of infrastructure in the UK. I can assure him that road networks in the UK is nothing to write home about. In fact,the UK is a disappointment as far as road network is concerned. Moreover, when we talk of developed nations, we should not be talking of the UK and group her with countries such as The Netherlands, Germany and Sweden. These three countries, along with , maybe one or two others are truly in a class of their own, UK doesn`t come close. The lure of Nigerians to the UK is all about the language and the fact that it`s the only true capitalist state in Western Europe, if you are still relatively young and hardworking, you can get things done and achieve a secured future.
One area where Nigeria is better than the west is in the area of culture. The social-culture in Nigeria is truly superior to anywhere in Europe, especially Western Europe. A lot of social isolation go on around here. I mean, people don`t die in a flat in Nigeria for months without anybody stopping by to say `hello `, this happens in the West a lot. Our communal way of life is the best!!!!!
How many of you guys are not thinking in your mind that whenever it`s time to bring up your children, you want them to be brought up in Nigeria ? Why is that if the West is so wonderful ? Bringing children up in the West, most especially in this London, is tantamount to socio-cultural murder
However, no fraud in the West can be greater than the ones committed on the economic front. I mean, I can still find people in Nigeria that is living a relatively comfortable life free of debt. Here, it is economic slavery,really, b/c everybody lives on credit, I mean, it`s E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y!!!! It is simply incredible!! Should govt. in Nigeria encourage the private sector to make credit facilities available, as they have here, things would change drastically.
But of paramount importance is for Nigerians to become more politically conscious so that our voices begin to count. We are also making a mistake comparing our countries with some West african countries, especially French speaking ones. Most of those countries still constitutes nothing more than a mini-state for France. But whatever mistakes we are making in Nigeria today is part and parcel of a learning process that all nations that are described as developed today had gone through in the past. Besides, unlike the West that went to Africa to steal our people and resources for their own development, we have to plot and plan our development based on a very limited resources. So there are reasons to be hopeful.

@ Ikris:

Our sister has enough advice here, we can only hope that she makes a good use of them.

Cheers!!!!

@Teeboy

I know you are in a shock right now; any decent and ambitiuos person would. My advice,therefore, is that you need to relax a little. What would you have done if this lady had called you a month after having sex with her to reveal to you that she had just discovered she was HIV positive at the time the two of you were intimate ? And what would you have done if she is so below your standard that you wouldn`t even like anyone to see you with her ? What am I getting at ? Well, I just want you to know that a situation is as bad and distressing only as your mind chooses to make it.
First question: How would you describe this lady before the issue of pregnancy crop up- character-wise ? If you know she was above average before the pregnancy ,we can then move on to my next points.
At this juncture, you need to understand that you will never find a girl that is totally compatible with you; there is nothing like 100% compatibility!!!! And one other question is relevant here, teeboy: if you have to choose between marrying someone that loves you but you don`t love, or marry someone that you love but doesn`t love you, who are you going to choose ? Process that question and hold on to whatever answer u`ve got, we`ll come back to it later ? Up until now you have not said anything to convince me that this lady is not good enough to be your future wife. If you can relax a little and accept the fact that even married women do engage in this type of game (when they know they want more children than their husband desire). The wife of the Prime Minister of Britain did it a couple of years ago.
Most importantly, pls do understand that the moment you go down this route, having a child now then marrying a different person later, your life may never be as predictable as you will want it to be.
The two of you are young, she can be telling you that a guy wants to sleep in her place when there is nobody there whatsoever, just to let you know that she is valued by so many other guys. And why should she do away with other guys when she knows in her mind that you are not very keen
One mistake you are making right now is to be thinking that the moment she knows you are going to accept her in your life, she wouldn`t change for the better. Unlike men, ladies tend to show more commitment and seriousness when they know that the person in question is going to be their future husband. So expect things to be different once she is sure of her position with you. I asked you a question earlier; the point is, just as you can pick and choose b/w the ladies to marry so also can the lady you eventually pick chooses not to marry someone that already has a child . So I want you to think properly about that b/c there is always a difference b/w fantasy and reality. Of course, you are the one that knows so many other things that we don`t; you may have seen many things that made her a no-no, that is why the final decision has to be yours
But let your parents know about it as soon as possible, especially if you are still a student, you are going to be surprised at the amount of understanding they would show.
At the end of the day, you have to reconcile yourself to the fact that when you chose to have sex with her without a condom, you set in motion a set of circumstances that would change your life for ever, but there is no misfortune that doesn`t come with a modicum of fortune, provided you handle things wisely. I wish you God`s guidance

Everything about the culture and tradition of Nigeria makes it unpopular, if not unacceptable, to have a child outside wedlock. Now, we can go on and on to winge about it, but that is not going to change anything. Besides, it is high time some people understood that African culture is not the same thing as oyinbo or white people`s culture. When people are made to see single mum, single dad as a fantastic thing, I see everyday on the street of London what the consequence is, so the wonderful culture of my ancestors that places a big emphasy on the collective rather than individual, on marriage rather than indirect prostitution that is turning societies in Europe and North America into a mess can surely do without unecessary lecture from those in the West
Now,to Funmi that started this thread; your last post can only mean that your boyfriend is going to end up as a poligamist. You know that there are many young people in Nigeria that have children in secondary school; they are young, they made a mistake, parents accept it and move on. If they are not going to marry they make arrangement for the up-keep of the children and everybody is happy. The problem with your boyfriend is, he has rented an accommodation for the mother of his first child. That may not be a bad thing,but this is not a picture of someone that just wants to take care of his child alone and move on, I think he still habours some feelings for the mother of his child. What now is the way out ? The best thing for you here is to see this relationship as over. But if it`s your plan to settle than as soon as possible, it is in your own interest to do that with another person. Should there be no other person to settle than with then you should ask yourself whether you want to marry a poligamist. Now, if you want me to advise you to choose between marrying a poligamist or thinking about your future as a single mum I will go for a poligamist anyday, especially if he is the type that would always be there to bring up his children.But my good sister, there are many signs from this your boyfriend that convince me of his unseriousness. Normally, the anger you showed for not telling you about the child in good time is justified. He should be the one trying to call you to talk things over and convince you that the other relationship is truly over. Don`t take my word for it, but I think he already sees the mother of his child as wife no1. You come here to ask for advice because you are an intelligent person, what I`ve given you is my honest opinion. Good luck!!

God bless you, Oba!!!! This is the future, because there is no reason why Africans should be bringing up children that can`t speak African languages. My prayer is that this groundbreaking idea would motivate others around the world to start the same thing. Good luck!!!!!

Your GCE results should still be valid!!!!

CARING