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Netfilix:
Since Cristiano Ronaldo joined Madrid, Barcelona's have won 54/66 (81%) games without Messi to Madrid winning 64/95 (67%) without Ronaldo.

With the two, Barcelona have won 352/488 (72%) to Madrid winning 316/438 (71%).


Messi vs Ronaldo is a lie. Ronaldo is lightyears ahead.


Barcelona is covering Messi's ass, he is not helping them at all

For Messi's case only an intellectually bereft individual would use these percentages as a basis for Messi's relevance or otherwise.

Messi misses games for 3 major reasons!

1.Dead rubber and easy la liga and champions league games.
2.Early Copa del rey fixtures which are against lower divisions.
4.Injuries.

I hope you do understand now that 80 percent of the games Messi misses are much easier games which the team doesn't need him to win.

Common sense should tell you that.


As for Real missing Ronaldo more than Barca missing Messi,
All these little percentages about percentage win with Messi or win without Ronaldo should be shoved up in your asss.
If you're intelintellint you would know they are inconsequential and there are far better stats to be used.

It's simple!

Between 2009 and 2017

*Barca had a better team than Madrid
*Messi was better than Ronaldo

This is very evident in the fact that Barca won more trophies and won more classicos.

Netfilix:
I respect Messi as an entertainer. He's a great entertainer. He's a bad football player because he makes his team worse, but as an entertainer he's cool.

I rate him more with those YouTube freestylers than with footballers, but he is great at what he does. It's just not football.

This one requires no response.

There is no communication here.

Netfilix:
Messi fear of leaving his comfort zone makes him the most coward player to ever played football.

No wonder he never won anything tangible with his national team

These emojis will not cover up the stupiidity in your posts.

Just realize that now!

Netfilix:
Same way Spain won 2010 world cup due to the brilliance of Barcelona players.

If Messi were in their team you would say he won them the cup, Fallacy.

Barcelona without Messi is very strong than with him

Rubbish. Another iidiotic comment!

The only thing that stopped Robben from scoring the first goal in that final was Casillas.

I guess Casillas was a barcelona star too.

Netfilix:
The greatest testament to Ronaldo’s status as the best ever is the fact that he had people crying about his supporting cast in E16.

They actually complained that Eder, Nani, and Gomes are too much help for him. People believe he’s so great that he needs an even bigger handicap.

It might interest you to know that the Portugal squad always excels better and win something when Ronaldo is not playing.

As far back as I can remember.

1.Euro 2004 final he plays and they lose.

2.Confederations cup 2017 semi final he plays and they lose.


3.Euro 2016 final he does not play and alas! they win!!

4.Confederations cup third place match he does not play and they win.

5.UEFA nations league he does not play and they totally dominate the group.


The Portugal squad has proved that Ronaldo needs to be dropped for them to achieve big things.

QED.


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Netfilix:
Barcelona were so solid without Messi and still solid to this day without him, I can even say he somehow hinders your glory

Lemme begin with this one!

1.Before the Messi era,

Barca had won 9 league titles in 45 years.

During Messi Barca has won 9 league titles in 13 years.


2. Before the Messi era

Barca had won 1 champions league title in 50 years.

During Messi Barca has won 4 champions league title in 12 years.

3. Before Messi nobody ever scored 40 league goals for Barca in one season.

During Messi he has scored a record 50 league goals and more than 40 on two occasions.

4. Before Messi nobody ever had up to 20 assists for Barca in one league season.

During Messi he has registered 23 assists for Barca in one league season.


In your opinion the factor that determines the relevance of Messi is the percentage of wins when Messi is not playing!

Netfilix:
Mr Tesppidd

Barcelona lost just 6 games without Messi since 2010 (49-6-6 record). Real Madrid lost 5 games without Ronaldo this season alone just 3 months in.

How the hell is the narrative "Messi FC" and "Ronaldo got carried". The Messi media machine is crazy.

It's is very obvious you love random arguments.

But just be patient I will oblige you.

I will combine this with my work and respond to every single one of your myth and half truth.

Netfilix:
Haha

The truth is Ronaldo has 3 prems, 5 ucls, 2 la ligas and an international trophy plus other small ones whilst Messi only has 4 ucls and 9 la ligas with no international trophy I know what I’d rather have lmao

*FIFA world cup golden ball.
*Copa America golden ball.
*Olympic gold medal.
*Under 20 world cup.
*7 league player of the season.
*5 european golden shoes.
*5 league top scorer.
*9 league titles.

You did not mention these!


But I think am done here, don't know why I've allowed myslef pulled into this debate again.

Netfilix:
You feed on lies and you live by fallacies. So enjoy it

Are you running away?

You came here out of nowhere yesterday to disturb the tranquility of this thread with myths and half-truths,

with laughing emojis to go with every single post.


Now you've been busted, no more laughing emojis cus things have gotten serious, no room for lies.

Now back to where you came from.

Unlimited22:
Like I said, we all pull out stats when they support their argument.
Ronaldo has a better goal ratio than Messi overall In la liga. Fact.
Messi has a better goal ratio from 08/09. Also fact.
Any of these can be used in an argument.

Logic has to be applied in an argument!

Comparing Messi's la liga stats from the 04/05 season to Ronaldo's stats from the 08/09 season is point blank stupiid when we have a common denominator to use, which is from the 08/09 season.

Messi and Ronaldo started their la liga contest in the 08/09 season.

Start from there!

Netfilix:
Most of you are all deluded.

Messi goal ratio is better than Ronaldo's overall goals because he plays in one club and has long mastered the system.

If they played the Barca way in his National team, he would have won something. Any style different from the Barca style is a problem for Messi.

Messi playing style thrive in a tiki taka team best.

And again, he stat pad in La Liga with one of its best teams. Ronaldo goal to game ratio in La Liga is still better than Messi's that is to say the difference in league Cr7 has played in played a big part.

Before Ronaldo left Madrid, I remember you guys saying he was worked for by his teammates.

But Ronaldo is Ronaldo any where and the different club he has played in just proved that.

In as much I respect Messi. He is not in the same level with Ronaldo at all.

Ronaldo's mentality and winning technique is above Messi's.

I repeat again if Ronaldo plays for Barcelona from La mesia till this day. He will have more achievement than Mr. Lionel.

When I said Juventus are breaking records with Ronaldo presently and Madrid is in chaos. You said it doesn't mean shii. Okay na.

Story Story.

Super story!

No excuses.

You call Ronaldo a greater goalscorer which is the greatest scam of the 21st century.

20 more goals ahead of Messi with over 150 more appearances.

This is a scam.


Messi is 100 times a better playmaker than Ronaldo.

And as if that isn't enough,

He is 10 times a better goal scorer than Ronaldo.


I admit Ronaldo is one of the greats.

But
The media adores the rivalry and that's why there is even a Messi/Ronaldo debate in the first place.


There are 3 categories of footballers in the world;

1. Messi
2. Ronaldo
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.
.
3. Others

That is enough respect for Ronaldo.

Unlimited22:
Goal to game ratio. Messi has 392 La Liga goals in 429 games.
Ronaldo has 311 La Liga goals in 292 games.
Who is called the greatest goalscorer in la liga history?

We all pull out stats when they support our argument.

This one thinks he has sense!

Mtcheew!

Most of Messi's appearances you quoted were his early years he used to come on as a substitute.

The best way to analyse this is to count from the 2008/2009 season when Ronaldo joined la liga.

Who has a better ratio in la liga from the 08/09 season??

Do your research and math and come back and tell us.

IKON360:
Messi was gapping Ronaldo in ballon d' or wins, 5 to 2. Now 5 to 5... Ronaldo did that by scoring goals and winning trophies. Messi has always been a better player, but Ronaldo is exceptional. Just accept it
*modified*
meanwhile, I'm grateful for you all who enlightened me on the importance of goal to game ratio. Thank you

Messi was gapping?

All these children on this forum sef.

Am sure you have JAMB to write next year.

Mtcheew.

IKON360:
But Ronaldo has more goals shey?

is that how you tell whom is a better goal scorer?

don't disappoint me abeg.


so if Mr A scores 100 goals in 120 games.

and Mr B score 120 goals in 200 games.

you mean B is a better scorer than A?

IKON360:
I love all these things you love too, and I get them not just from la liga. But the most important things in football are the goals.

fine!

read above, you have been bursted that Messi is still a better goal scorer than Ronaldo.

what else do you have to say for yourself?

Netfilix:
Yes, football is about wins esp in the major tournaments and Ronaldo tops Messi

You think you're trolling but you're only spamming the net with falsehood!

Messi has also won more major trophies than Ronaldo.

Where do you get your facts from?

Wikileaks?

IKON360:
the only other player in the world better than Ronaldo is Messi. Besides the currency of football is goals, why do you think Ronaldo and Messi have won the last 10 ballon d' ors? Goals!! Ronaldo is a better goal scorer than Messi, but Messi appeals to me because he makes things players like Ronaldo work hard for so easy. Dribbles don't win trophies, never have and never will.

The bolded is another myth that must be busted once and for all.

Am not sure about the exact numbers but;

Messi has got about 510 goals in about 620 games.
Ronaldo has got about 530 goals in about 770 games.

Thats is about 20 more goals in over 150 more games!


Messi is still by far a better scorer than Ronaldo.

Taaaah!

IKON360:
the only other player in the world better than Ronaldo is Messi. Besides the currency of football is goals, why do you think Ronaldo and Messi have won the last 10 ballon d' ors? Goals!! Ronaldo is a better goal scorer than Messi, but Messi appeals to me because he makes things players like Ronaldo work hard for so easy. Dribbles don't win trophies, never have and never will.

for football purists like me,

the feints, the dribbles, the nutmegs, the defence splitting passes, the sliding tackles, the super saves, and of course the golazoes all mean a lot to me.

even if barca win 1 million trophies, there's nothing in it for me and you.

i don't know about you but for me,

the entertainment means as much to me as the trophies!

watching barca every weekend is like watching my favourite movie.

IKON360:
scoring tap ins are not that easy o, your team has to play through the opposition defense and scoring player needs to be at the right place at the right time. See how Madrid are faring without those tap ins. And if tap ins were so easy Giroud will score more.

yes scoring tap ins isn't that easy.

quite agreed.

It's very wrong to call it easy!


what is also wrong is saying that that player is better than Messi.

we're talking Messi, not Gonzalo Higuian.

Netfilix:
Same poo again ooo.

Messi is limited to Barcelona style of play.

But Ronaldo is all rounder. He adjusts his style to suit any pattern.

If Ronaldo were Messi in Barcelona he would have reach 1000+ goals.

Ronaldo got to madrid and left with the best scoring ratio in la liga that proves his Greatness

oh now it is scoring ratio!

no longer number of goals from 2009 while he and Messi played in la liga!

no longer number of la liga titles!

no longer number of la liga player of the season awards!

your brain is full of farts obviously.


calling Ronaldo an all rounder is the greatest falsehood in history.

he doesn't need to adjust to anything, just hang around the 18 yard box.
well maybe you're right, he knows how to adjust to any corner of the 18 yard box.

and then you keep talking scoring, scoring, scoring,
Ronaldo scored this, Ronaldo scored that!!

pull your skirt up man, football doesn't start and end with goals.

Messi's destruction of Fillipe Luis and Antoine Griezman are still going viral on the net.

anybody who discusses footie and all he talks about is goals needs to be put in a football incubator.

Netfilix:
Ronaldo left Madrid: Chaos

Ronaldo joined Juve: Fastest player in the history of the club to reach 10 goals and still in their longest unbeaten streak.

If you can't accept the Ronaldo's effect here. You're just an hater and, of course, deluded.

Long gone are the days when the Serie A was a competition.
When we had ACMilan, Inter Milan and Juve.

Juve has owned Serie A for 6 or 7 years now.

There is nothing close to a competition for Juve now.

A great striker like Ronaldo should do that.

Ronaldo wouldn't have that number playing for Roma or Napoli.




Listen, nobody really thinks he is not a great player, one of the world's best.

It's just that calling him better than Messi is an exercise of ignorance.

Netfilix:
Ronaldo left Madrid: Chaos

Ronaldo joined Juve: Fastest player in the history of the club to reach 10 goals and still in their longest unbeaten streak.

If you can't accept the Ronaldo's effect here. You're just an hater and, of course, deluded.

As usual you miss the point again!

The argument here is not to prove whether Ronaldo is a great player or not, of course he is!

My point is an indirect response to your castigation of Messi for not jumping Barca.
Your claim is that Ronaldo is proving himself in different leagues while Messi is only a one club player.

So lemme repeat my point and try to say it slowly so you might understand.

1.Scoring goals in the EPL with Sir Alex's Manchester United of 2006 and 2007 is not proving anything!
2. Scoring goals in the La Liga with the Real Madrid of 2009-2017 is not proving anything.
3. Scoring goals in the Serie A with the Juventus of 2018 is not proving shiit.

The need for Ronaldo to "prove" he can do it without playing for the richest clubs in the countries is as strong as the need for Messi to go to play in another league.

Ronaldo should prove himself playing for Arsenal, Valencia or Roma.



Do you get it now? Douche

Netfilix:
We all know the reason why Messi still remains in one club like a stagnant water: Cowardice

And Ronaldo running around Manchester united, Real Madrid and now Juventus?

Whatever happened to Arsenal, Valencia , Roma?

Manchester United were destroying England when he joined!
Real Madrid were destroying Spain when he joined!!
Juventus are destroying Italy and he joined!!!

Running around big big clubs who have all the money and superstars like a scared biitch.

He should be proving himself at Arsenal, Valencia or Roma.

Netfilix:
No, tell me, is it your UCL?

You can only dream of Threepeats not to talk of 13 UCLs.


Local champions

9 league titles to how many?
4?
5 max?

Netfilix:
Every team Ronaldo is in is always special to you guys and that is the difference.

Get Ronaldo 10 pieces of wood. He'll win you trophies.

Same cannot be said with Messi, or else you expect to have 11 pieces of wood

Even a nursery school wouldn't accept this as a rhyme.

Netfilix:
Shioor. Baseless point as usual

you be real malu sha!

firstly, Der made the allegations not ddippset as you have announced.



secondly, the accusations have been made and he's been defamed to be a rapist and a sodomist.
why is he not suing?


use your head.

Netfilix:
Ronaldo and Portugal are 2 wins away from winning the Nations League and there isn't shit Messi fanboys can do about it.

I pity that hard working squad of portugal's.

they work hard, play well, win tournaments and the glory hunting prima dona gate crashes on their glory and takes it all.

euro 2016 the same.
uefa nations league the same.



few months ago you were already here counting 6-5 on the ballon dor.

you have shamelessly left that line of yapping and have come up with another one.

Netfilix:
It’s mad how the people who brought up this “Ronaldo rape case” are no where to be seen, not even a word has come out after the fake leaks. If it was true nobody would have stayed quite the only people who bring it up is 12 yr old Cules when they’re losing an argument.

Tesppidd to be precise

Do I look like the CEO of Der Spiegel or the chief editor?


Still doesn't change the fact that the tap in lord tapped into the asshole!



Well he most likely has paid the biitch again!

Most Most likely!!

chuksanambra:
Instead of granting first aid, you're takin pictures.

Technology has robbed us of our humanity.

do you know whether he knows first aid?

taking pictures of people in despair is very wrong though!

gozie112:
in 2015 buhari was 74... olodo

and does this address the issue i raised?

malu! nama!!

In 2015 Buhari was 72. How can a 72 year old man rule us? A 72 year old man is too old to rule!

In 2018, Atiku is PDP flag bearer, he is 72 years old.

Buhari is not really 75 now. His real age is 82 years old.


*Life of a wailer/IPOB miscreant!