iterator24:
Beyonce is beautiful in her own way so does rihanna... africa is beautiful.... I've traveled around and they have their unique beauties, i'd implore you to do the same.. Even morocco! My friend, the world doesnt end in SA

This is a koo-mbaya, cop-out post. The tourists have judged with their feet, dollars and awards, boet!

iterator24:
kindly tell us, How has anything i've posted here connote that?

Connote what?

iterator24:
there's ILE-IFE in OSUN STATE in Nigeria, plus Benin etc

Same post as I gave you the last time, this is not iconic, bruv. To give you an example, SA has more than one world heritage sight, a modern wonder of the world and tons and tons of other unforgettable, once-in-a-lifetime ICONIC spots and experiences. Nigeria has beautiful places, but tourists aren't gonna spend their life savings by the thousands on Nigeria, when there are places like South Africa.

iterator24:
My brother from enugu, next time you're visiting your family, visit other states, last time I checked Nigeria has 36..

Iterator, we aren't saying Nigeria is ugly. We are just saying please don't overreach.

iterator24:

Use your brain, none of my post connotes the highlighted, Nigeria is beautiful, so as Kenya and SA.. Awards and nominations for your tourism industry is as a result of your government effort and somewhat stable country... 'No place' is the most beautiful dude...

Why don't you use your brain and point to [b]ONE ICONIC [/b]thing in the pictures that you posted? Just one? The only iconic thing is the Abuja rock, but it is forgettable. We are talking about major tourist destinations. Places that are worth spending life savings on.

Msauza:



Don't even try it because it well known that Nigeria has a small tourist industry even smaller than that of Kenya. We normally do not roll out red carpet for mediocrity.

All provinces of South Africa have serious tourist attractions. World class/beating stuff in all the provinces.

iterator24:


for more
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1457941&page=1

My post below.

ThaVluit:


Yes, the places you mention in Nigeria might be beautiful, but you are overreaching if you think they place Nigeria among the best tourist destinations in the world. We can list beauty the awards, listings and nominations that South Africa has won, if you wish.

iterator24:
dude, I reside in SA, and I've been to those places I mentioned, trust me they are beautiful, our clueless govt rarely promote tourism

The Nigeria gvnt does try to promote tourism, don't lie. Just that tourists aren't biting because there are better destinations. Yes, the places you mention in Nigeria might be beautiful, but you are overreaching if you think they place Nigeria among the best tourist destinations in the world. We can list beauty the awards, listings and nominations that South Africa has won, if you wish.

lezz:
you are living in an imaginary life if you honesty believe your southafrica controls a thing here. Mtn dstv and shoprite are nothing but a fleck in the ocean of the economy of Nigeria. We make south africa redundant as China does japan.

Hey, how do you like the story of South Africa's JSE setting up Naira futures trading, seeing as you can't do it yourselves? That's control added on top of control. Sux bin yuuuu!

iterator24:
lmao! enugu is Nigeria? its like saying 'I went to witbank [mpumalanga]' and. judge SA by the scenery... I do admit some parts of SA are beautiful, but dude, visit Abuja, cross river and akwa ibom even Lagos

Tourist numbers AND AWARDS say a helluva lot of parts of SA are beautiful. The same can't be said about Nigeria.

lezz:
i will take that as an implicite admission that mark henry and the colonel has thought you some lessons. Well since they are my country folks and share same motions with me. I shall oblige your request and allow them turn you green. Lol.

Oh look! Nigeria is a homogenous society and all Nigerians think the same way and feel the same things. Thanks for revealing this fact.

Msauza:



Bigger economy with nothing to show for it.

Yes, Msauza. Loud it.

chris365:

o look. a brilliant response. clap for yourself

Lekker Friday Chris! What are you crying about today?

chris365:


bwahahahahahahahahahaha...... i noticed something. every branch of leadership in south africa is saying the same thing about the rot and death of SANDF.

1st it was yhe defence minister, the retirement home Union, and now this. what are we arguing with a dead mikitary for again. .

Here's Chris365 about to start his usual passionate posting. Let me run away before he starts crying.

Were the pictures of dead people removed? Desperate Auguby got his wings clipped.

agaugust:

[size=16pt]
South African Jet Fighters' normal fuel tank....[/size]

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Nairaland notice: Augububu will be 13 years old for the remainder of the afternoon.

South Africans entertaining fellow Saffas at the mall this very moment. Nice being us.

agaugust:


Old expired news, no wonder you could not post the date of your old story.

Anyway, here is the latest for this week...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/10/400-boko-haram-insurgents-killed-battle-retake-bazza-michika-madagali/

PHOTO : REMINDER OF SHEKAU'S DEATH BY NIGERIAN ARMY RIFLE, SEE HIS ASSISTANT, WE CUT OFF HIS D..I..C..K
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Dude your pictures say you are desperate and only have shock tactics left in your arsenal.

agaugust:


There is NOTHING South Africa produces that Nigeria cannot get from China, Israel, India, Ukraine, Russia...cheaper and better.

You have lost a major potential arms deal by your foolishness, Nigeria has signed a new ALL ASPECTS weapons deal with Russia...

South Africa is the loser, big loser, you should have allowed Nigeria to test your weapons against Boko Haram and help you market them worldwide as battle tested weapons, but your backward thinking has made you forget how the game of marketing by evidence works.

Nation of ANC fools

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-fg-turns-russia-china-usa-uk-fail-nigeria/

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On the contrary, it is Nigeria that lost deals through its own foolishness. The only reason Nigeria struggles to buy weapons is because its soldiers kill civilians and police torture people. And then there's the lack of refinement on issues diplomatic.

Patchesagain:


Second, why are you bringing race into the topic? Trying to muddy the waters? Derail the argument?

His argument died. So he's grieving bitterly and venting against those who murdered it.

Henry120:


More like your filthy HIV/Aids and murder capital country.

Dude, you've crossed over to butthutville. I leave you in peace to allow your time to defeat the demons overpowering you at this time.

Henry120:


You should know when to draw the line in petty internet insults. It's in bad taste calling people's families.


"South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times "


You can only succeed in deceiving yourself. We've always known the SAAF has no money to afford aviation fuel.

Is this your way of retracting your initial argument about the equipment not being used? Seems you're spinning and grasping at straws. You were told about our drills, exercises etc where gallons and gallons of fuel were used. Want that repeated?

Don't start a mini-storm to try and cloud the real issues.

GreenandGold:


Whatever makes you feel better at night in your terrorist infested nation.

"Our friends are unfair to us" cry, cry, cry.

"Everywhere we go they block us" wail, wail, wail

P.A.R.I.A.H. bound if they aren't careful.

Henry120:

We've already ordered over 35 helicopters from Russia and belarus. You government would soon start pleading for mercy again, as was the case in the yellow fever.
South-Africa has and would continue to be an irrelevant, insignificant country on this continent. Your government in fear has already admitted the $9.5m is legitimate.
You're going to get further owned.

South Africa is the most spoken about country in Nigerian media and parliament right now.

#OneSentenceDeath.

GreenandGold:


Dude, you have no where to run to.... the US is blocking you from purchasing weapons anywhere now you want to bite South Africa, the hand that feeds you.

They cried "everywhere we go they block us". It will only get worse once they start messing with companies. Pariah state anyone? They keep talking about China and Russia like they never heard of BRICS.

Henry120:


Yeah, wake up and smell the coffee. We already knew/know your SANDF is a cesspit.

But you have no evidence. So much for "knowing". More like desperately wishing, it seems.

Henry120:


Yeah, Cry me a river. All he said, we are all aware of. It's only a re-confirmation of known facts.

Now go buy some aviation fuel dammit.

Henry your 'argument' is dead like someone's future grand child (God bless its soul) . The man said he was INFORMED of something and that he has not verified it. He was then confronted with a counter-argument.

That arrests your whole argument. Will you troll now?

GreenandGold:


BAN this dude

No leave him. He dwells in a hell he's created for himself. Let him burn as post after post shows how behind Nigeria is.

Henry120:

I got all the evidence I need, the best part is, I've bookmarked it.

Then your standards for evidence are low. We've proved that your 'evidence' is not really evidence. Just self-admitted hallucinations.

Henry120:


In "Django's" voice : "I like the way you beg boy".

This all we've been saying all weeks and months. The SANDF is a clueless force sitting on an array of equipment is cannot afford or even fuel.

LOL.

And you are basing this on the words of someone who's admitted that his statements are baseless?

patches689:

Like I said
He is going to get wrecked during cross examination.
The other anti-arms deals activists at least had the dignity to withdraw once they realized they had no real case with regards to the equipment itself

Yeah. He's already admitting that he hasn't verified his own 'hear-say' statements and would rather invite the commission to investigate them. Some evidence!

Henry120:
Agaugust, chris369, patches689, MikeZA, greenandgold, naijapikingidi, dievuilt

The Uselessness of the SANDF.



South Africa’s Arms Deal Toys Rotting
October 9, 2014


Weapons acquired during the 1999 arms deal are not being used and are becoming derelict, the Seriti Commission of Inquiry heard on Tuesday [October 7].

“With regards to the 30 Augusta helicopters purchased from Italy, I am informed that many of them are in storage and unused or rotting at Ysterplaat Air Force Base in Cape Town,” arms deal critic Terry Crawford-Browne told the inquiry’s hearings in Pretoria.

“Accordingly, I invite the commission’s members to inspect Ysterplaat, to see for themselves how many there are in their state of airworthiness.”

He said government acquired four frigates that were reportedly equipped with defective engines and an obsolete combat suite and armoury system.

“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.

“The arms deal was a confidence trick played at huge socio-economic cost to the people of South Africa, which has seriously undermined our still-fragile constitutional democracy,” said Crawford-Browne.

The commission was appointed by President Jacob Zuma three years ago to investigate alleged corruption in the arms procurement deal in 1999.

For billions of rands government acquired, among other hardware, 26 Gripen fighter aircraft and 24 Hawk lead-in fighter trainer aircraft for the air force, and frigates and submarines for the navy.

Crawford-Browne said former deputy defence minister Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge was told by senior navy officials that the country had bought the wrong equipment.

“Ms Madlala-Routledge has by e-mail authorised me to reveal this,” he said.

Madlala-Routledge was deputy defence minister from 1999 to April 2004 and deputy health minister from April 2004 to August 2007.

Crawford-Browne said billions spent on these purchases could have been used to improve the lives of South Africans.

“While millions of South Africans struggle daily with the legacies of apartheid and poverty, these men childishly expounded about their pride in so-called toys for boys and other irrelevances,” he said in his affidavit to the inquiry.

“Astonishingly, a purported justification for the acquisition of the BAE Gripen warplanes included protection for the 2010 World Cup.”

The inquiry continues.

As reported by South African Press Association


#bookmarked!!!!!!

You see, Henry, failing to complete one's research is a dangerous thing. If you'd read further, you'd have decided to sheathe your sword. Crawford-Browne is an anti-arms deal lunatic and evangelist.

http://citizen.co.za/254970/terry-crawford-browne-refuses-retract-claims/
“The evidence of General Burger, who is the director of helicopter systems, is that they are frequently used for casualty evacuations. They are also used to train pilots,” Jennifer Caine, for the defence department, said while cross-examining Crawford-Browne at the inquiry’s public hearings in Pretoria.

“They have conducted operations in the DRC, Sudan and the Central African Republic. They have flown in excess of 18,000 hours. They have been used in numerous other rescue operations.”

They were also being used in anti-rhino-poaching missions.

Crawford-Browne said Caine’s details were not relevant to the inquiry’s terms of reference.

Caine asked Crawford-Browne whether he was prepared to withdraw a section of his sworn statement which reads: “With regards to the 30 Augusta helicopters purchased from Italy, I am informed that many of them are in storage and unused and/or rotting at Ysterplaat Air Force Base in Cape Town.”

Crawford-Browne said he would not retract and urged the commission to inspect the aircraft.

“I have not been to the base to verify it myself.

It is one point that the commission may take an interest in. I am not prepared to withdraw it.”

Caine said Crawford-Browne’s submission was ridiculous.

On Tuesday, Crawford-Browne told the inquiry that government acquired four frigates reportedly equipped with defective engines and an obsolete combat suite and armoury system.

“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.

“The arms deal was a confidence trick played at huge socio-economic cost to the people of South Africa, which has seriously undermined our still-fragile constitutional democracy,” said Crawford-Browne.