jln115:

GDP per capita :
South Africa: 11500
Nigeria : 2500

thus if we had the same population as Nigeria,we would have a gdp 4,5 times that of Nigeria.

www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/wfbExt/region_afr.html

South Africa's richest - green.

Nigeria's richest - red.

Nuffsed.

http://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/mobile/#/

Jus sayin...


U.S. crude-oil supplies are at their highest level in more 80 years, according to data from the Energy Information Administration, equal to nearly 70% of the nation’s storage capacity. A key U.S. storage hub in Cushing, Okla., is expected to hit maximum capacity this spring. While estimates are rough, Citigroup Inc. believes European commercial crude storage could be more than 90% full, and inventories in South Korea, South Africa and Japan could be at more than 80% of capacity.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/03/05/oil_market_update_the_world_is_running_out_of_places_to_store_all_of_its.html


Hier kom 'n groot, EFFense gemors

agaugust:


I d.em.olish all your arguments

Plus Chad's army has been proved a mumu under Nigeria's military command.

Then SANDF, AU, Uganda, UN, etc nobody is sending any such military forces to help Nigeria....we have saved ourselves, we proved it with many weblinks and it hurts you so badly you begin to contemplate suicide.....then your fear of going to h.ell fire for your many sins won't let you k.ill yourself

#Tormented
.

Chad says there are NO joint operations between itself and Nigeria and that because f shame and embarrassment after they liberated your towns, youve now refused to let them go deep into nigerian territory.


Be ashamed!

EVarn:
drink another glass,swallow it.are you done?,good.
Now,post pictures to prove your point or forever remain silent.

The point has already been proved forever.

EVarn:
#Doroword.
your ministers are clueless,without capacity to compile accurate intelligence reports.
do you know how it sounds for a senior government official to be spouting words straight from a rag?.
you can never hear our president,defense minister or NSA coming out to say: "i heard word from the nigerian tribune that we are fighting boko haram" or
"i heard word from daily punch that my wife has big bre.asts" or
"i heard word from vanguard that i'm wearing green boxer!".
post evidence.

I searched your entire post and still found nothing to counter what's already been posted.

agaugust:
Southie fools, every white man in Nigerian is a South African, including oil company expatriate European staff, Israeli, Russian, Ukrainian and other military contractors training Nigerian military on new weapons we just bought....those white men in Beegeagles photos of Antonov delivering brand new equipment to NAF are also South African mercenaries.....Fools, Southie Dumbo Domingo Fools
.

Strawman alert!

EVarn:
olongbo!,big big olongbo.you do not have proof that your mercs are "training" our troops in CT operations.there is a clear difference between coming to train troops and coming to nigeria to recieve prayers in christ embassy,synagogue or redeem.
No mercs in the NE,if you insist,then post pictures,videos and soft documents as proof.
but i dont expect that you will do that,you will only continue your emply rhetorics and petty theatrics.

We have tons of proof:

1. The words of our ministers.

2. The words of tons of international publications and Nigerian people.

Posted already. No need to post the proof again, unless you want to keep being embarrassed.

There are South African mercenaries in Nigeria as the evidence shows, and your bare denials cannot counter the evidence. It is not DieVluit that insists. It is the evidence that does. Until it is countered, it will continue insisting.

You have nothing.

EVarn:
that was just an illustrated scenario,

Exactly.

Meaning that you don't have any real "scenarios" to counter our arguments with.

You can only bring illustrated scenarios.

You have no argument.

Again, advancing bare denials for 3 pages proves nothing. You have accordingly said nothing.

EVarn:
I dont have the patience to listen to your inane chatter.
You do not have any solid evidence to approve any of your claim.the only "proof" you can muster is quoting your chubby cartoon of a defense minister,who ignorantly admitted to have heard the report from 'beeld'.It wasnt even the SA intelligence network that first aired the report,it was a cheap media tabloid that cooked up the imaginary conspiracy against oblivious HIV striken saffers who came to synagogue in hopes of divine healing.what is beeld?,who knows beeld?.
you should actually try bringing picture,video and documentary evidence to buttress your claims instead of wailing like an olongbo.
olongbo!,meww!!

Your "I don't have the patience" line is followed by an entire novel, which can only mean that you do have the patience. But what you don't have is an argument.

You already accepted that there are South African mercenaries in Nigeria by posting that they were shipped to Nigerian under the ministry's noses.

This was not my argument, but yours.

Once again, you post things without thinking, as always.

EVarn:
they were contacted,physically adjudged and ferried out of SA by the nigerian DHQ while your defense ministry floundered cluelessly and your intelligence service was busy monitoring opposition parliamentarians.

EVarn:
did i hurt your delicate feelings?
oh sweetheart,i'm so sorry.
We have trashed this matter in the last 3 pages,there are no mercenaries in nigeria.we only have military advisors and equipment trainers from the middle east and eastern europe.
the purported "white men" you are screaming about are either fulani or chadian soldiers.
they may also be military trainers who have arrived nigeria to help train our military personnels in operating new weapon platforms.
we have trainers arriving from czech republic,belarus,pakistan,china,isreal,poland,ukraine and russia.

Introducing "feelings" speak in an intellectual space can only mean that you are projecting your own feelings onto the thread.

Typing three pages of bare denials does not prove anything.

But what has been posted by us proves that there are South African mercenaries in Nigeria.

Henry120:


My position on terrorists activities in the N.E hasn't changed.

My stand remains The Nigerian military has, and will not concede any part of it's territory to terrorists.

There are no SA Contractors in Nigeria, this is a fact.

LINK ZA, I asked for proof it was operational.

My position on terrorists activities in the N.E hasn't changed.

That doesn't mean that BH has not taken and cannot take territory in Nigeria. The shame is in that BH has taken territory in Nigeria. That the military will not leave this alone is inconsequential.


There are no SA Contractors in Nigeria, this is a fact.

It's not a fact simply because you with that to be the case. You have no evidence to counter what has already been posted. The evidence says that there are South African mercenaries operating in Nigeria.

Chad saves Nigerians yet again. Shame on you, Nigerians. Shame on you.

Boko Haram hit by Chadian assault in NE Nigeria: residents


Kano (Nigeria) (AFP) - Boko Haram militants suffered heavy casualties when Chadian troops pushed into Nigeria this week, residents who fled the fighting told AFP on Thursday.

Chad's army said on Tuesday evening that they had seized control of the town of Dikwa, which is about 50 kilometres (31 miles) southwest of the Nigerian border town of Gamboru.

The offensive deep inside Nigerian territory was a first and suggested a strategy to tackle other rebel-controlled areas in northeastern Borno state, which is the group's stronghold.

The Chadians are part of a four-country coalition mounting a regional fight-back against the Islamists.

"Chadian soldiers took over Dikwa from Boko Haram after heavy fighting on Tuesday," Bababura Diwa, who lives in the town, said by telephone from Fotokol, across the border in northern Cameroon.

Diwa said the Chadians came from Gamboru, which they previously recaptured, with heavy artillery power and overpowered a group of militants at Lomani village, 15 kilometres from Dikwa.

"When they came into Dikwa there was intense fighting but at last they subdued the Boko Haram fighters," he added.

"They killed many of them, including Abu Ashshe, their commander who was notorious for seizing cattle in the area.

"I used the opportunity provided by the presence of the Chadian troops to leave the town. I was afraid to leave when Boko Haram took over the town for fear of being branded a traitor and killed."

Diwa's account was backed up by several other residents, who took advantage of the Chadian advance to flee the ancient town, which is near Boko Haram's makeshift camps in the Sambisa Forest.

Jidda Saleh, another resident, said Chadian troops launched heavy aerial and ground attacks on the Kala-Balge area, particularly on Nduwu village, which he said was a "major Boko Haram stronghold".

"The whole village was bombarded and it is obvious Boko Haram suffered heavy casualties from the aerial attack. Ground troops moved in later," he added.

"Meleri, which has a huge Boko Haram concentration, was also bombed by Chadian military jets and then taken over by ground troops.

"By the time we left we learnt the Chadian soldiers were on their way to Kushimori village where Boko Haram keep the livestock they seize from people.

"They have kept thousands of livestock there. They sunk boreholes and recruited people to rear the animals for them".

Algoni Wal-Amire, another Kala-Balge resident, welcomed the offensive.

"Living under Boko Haram was like living in a minefield. You are always afraid your next step could be your last. I thank God I'm now safe from them," he said.

EVarn:
then since you didnt have any proof,why were you accusing me?

Since the nation of "pitiful monks" is training your military so that your own nation can be saved, then your situation is hopeless.

Henry120:

So, all this emotional post, just because I asked for evidence.
Anyway, the Nigerian military has completely refuted that South-African mercs claim.

Evidence has been posted multiple times, so you did not "just ask for evidence". You refused to accept what's already on the table because accepting it hurts.

Where is the "complete" refutation anyway?

Post it, so we can see for ourselves.

jpphilips:

In laughing at that, you've done nothing but accept that there are South African mercenaries operating in Nigeria.

So, you've gone and given up the entire argument that's been raging here for 5 days straight.

Thanks, bro.

Msauza:


I can't believe that you were trying to explain something constructively but instead you compromised your sanity as usual. There is almost nothing anyone can ever gain from anything you had ever tried to put your hands on by trying to elucidate. I even wonder how do you people pass your essays or have managed to pass them at school. I am saying this simply because you always reduce yourself to a straw explanations.

I'm glad someone dealt with this on my behalf cause really, the trading comprehension issues in that response of his are unbelievable.

I would never have had to time.

This is why the Nigerian Air Force needs training.


Nigeria blamed as civilians killed.

Niamey - At least 36 civilians were killed when a military plane bombed a funeral party in a Niger border village, the government said, in an incident its deputy mayor blamed on the Nigerian air force.

The air crew was likely to have mistaken the villagers, who had gathered near a mosque, for Boko Haram militants, Niger military sources in the nearby town of Bosso said.

The Nigerian military did not respond to Reuters' requests for comment about Tuesday's incident, into which the Niger government said it had launched an inquiry.

"Yesterday... an unidentified plane dropped a bomb on the village of Abadam-Niger... while the population was assembled near a mosque," the government said in statement read on state-owned television. "The provisional toll is 36 dead and 24 wounded."

The government decreed three days of national mourning.

"Two planes flew over Abadam on Tuesday afternoon. For me, with that very visible green colour, they were from Nigeria," Abadam's deputy mayor Youram Ari told Niger television station Labari late on Wednesday.

Abadam lies on the border with Nigeria around 13km southwest of Bosso, where thousands of soldiers from Chad and Niger are massed in preparation for operations against Boko Haram.

Abadam in next to a Nigerian village of the same name and military sources in Bosso earlier said the bomb had fallen in Nigeria.

Boko Haram, which is seeking to carve an Islamic emirate out of north-eastern Nigeria, killed an estimated 10 000 people there last year, and it is now expanding its zone of operations across the region's borders.

Nigeria, Chad, Cameroon, Niger and Benin are preparing a 8 700-strong force to combat the militants.

Henry120:


He said, she said, they said.......... not a single name to substantiate these claims.

Yeah we've seen this before.

We have the name of at least two governmental ministers that have been posted already - against your claims that South African government had denied the story. A lie from you.

Enough said:

“This is basically what made the deployment of the South African experts inevitable, in view of the fact that Nigeria was running out of time and there was the urgent need to substantially address the Boko Haram problem. The top military hierarchy and the Federal Government are trying to revamp our image which is at a record low, especially going by unprecedented breakthroughs recorded by troops from neighbouring countries,” the source explained.
READ MORE: http://www.naij.com/385393-boko-haram-nigeria-hires-sa-mercenaries-illegally.html

stillchris:

i just wish you know what you sound like. A DEFEATED FOOL .
what a goof

No thinking is required to shout "defeated fo0l".

But putting together a coherent argument is something different entirely.

Even a parrot can be taught to shout "defeated f00l". But it can't be taught to think intelligently.

Henry120:


Patches689 brought up "white men in a video", to support his argument.

You should tell him to provide proper evidence, same as you, to proof your wild imaginations.

From the video, the Nigerian military has nothing to hide, neither do we. We have said consistently, Israelis provide support to the military. The video is only another validation of this widely know fact.

The story about south-african mercs have been denied by both the Nigerian and South-African governments.

Proper evidence is all over this thread. You only chose to deal with the picture cause it's easy pickings, but it was never the main evidence - not even for Patches.

Yes - the Israelis provide support, but that does not disprove the fact that South African mercenaries are in Nigeria. The story of South African mercenaries in Nigeria has in fact NOT been denied by our minister of defence or our minister of foreign relations. In fact, they have expressed their unhappiness at the mercenary activities, with the minister of defence saying the mercenaries will be arrested upon their return. All this has been posted on this thread already.

Henry120:


Thank you for bringing this up. The video shows white men providing technical support. The video also shows the same white men carrying Tavor-21 carbines.

South-Africans do not use the Tavor-21.

The Nigerian Army been supported do not also use the Tavor-21.

So, provide a guess which country the white guys come from?

The pictures and videos are not the primary evidence of the presence of South African mercenaries in Nigeria.

The story was there long before the emergence of the pictures or videos. So, dismissing the pictures and videos does not dismiss the story.

In fact, the whole picture and video thing is a strawman.

rka1:

And you can't say they are.

I can.

Tons of evidence has already been posted, showing that there are South African mercenaries in Nigeria. And the pictures have also been captioned accordingly.

The evidence is widely triangulated.

You have nothing.

And because you've accepted your inability to say who they are, you can't deny anything.

rka1:


One of my former colleague says they are not there. Argue with the facts. Show us a picture of the former colleague in Nigeria flying Hinds to which we have loads of pilots.

"Facts" being what your phantom former colleague apparently said when you went to the loo this morning?

No, thanks dude. We'll pass on that.

rka1:

The last hind that crashed had a Ukranian co-pilot (instructor) on board. That's why the Obituary was just for the Nigerian Pilot.

That does not prove that the white people in the picture are Ukrainian. Fact is you don't know who those guys are. And because you don't know who they are, you can't say they are not South African.

rka1:

Do you know how long it takes to qualify from one aircraft to another not to talk about re-qualifying when you have been redundant for years? So South African mercenaries can now fly Alpha jets, F-7s, MI-35ms and drones
People see white personnel and the rumour starts that they are SA mercs. There have been Ukranian instructors on the Hind and other Eastern Europeans my friend, go and get a life.
If Nigeria is using PMCs, it would be for advice, not to fly combat missions or fight on the ground. So 100 SA mercs are taking on BH on multiple fronts abi. Cowboys. This is not a Hollywood photo-shoot, but real combat.
PS: Former SADf personnel are not SANDF anyway. They can't stand the current state of it.

The "rumour" started weeks before the pictures were even posted. In fact, you could remove the pictures and the evidence still remains. The evidence says categorically that there are South African mercenaries in Nigeria.

Your Ukranian instructor comment is meaningless because you cannot prove that the people in the picture are Ukranian instructors.

Therefore, that they are South African, you cannot deny.

EVarn:
you cant.thank God for that.

No one can. Which can only mean one thing. It's gibberish.

EVarn:
you can possibly rely on an information without thorough evidence.

I can assure you that not a single reader of this point gets your point.

FighterPilot:


Who said they were farried? They could have used their own transport like any passanger dude. Many have done the same when they headed to Iraq.

Let's say they were ferried. Fine. But then in the end, it's been accepted that they were contracted.

This is just smoke and mirrors. Don't worry about it.

The main point has always been that they are in Nigeria.

EVarn:
they were contacted,physically adjudged and ferried out of SA by the nigerian DHQ while your defense ministry floundered cluelessly and your intelligence service was busy monitoring opposition parliamentarians.

Oh so they were contracted then?

Thanks, that's all we needed from you.

We are fine with your weak hypothesis if the conclusion is that they were contracted.

It ends all arguments.

And it also proves that you say things without thinking.

EVarn:
as far as we are concerned,there are no mercenaries in nigeria.

Based on your wishes and dreams, there are none. But based on evidence, there are. You have no counter-evidence.