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These fragmented responses we've been making back and forth to each other are starting to make me feel real dizzy, so if you don't mind, I've taken the liberty to combine them all in one post. Now I'll address your latest points one after the other. It might be quite the lengthy read, so my apologies in advance:

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MaxInDHouse:
@ TheDevils.Bride

When i told you that you don't even know what it means to be a Christian you thought it's a joke shey?

Prove those fighting and killing their so called ENEMIES are true followers of Jesus Christ through the teachings of Jesus not just their claims!

Sorry to inform you, dear Max, that it doesn't work that way. As a matter of fact, YOU are the one who must demonstrate how those Christians are not "true followers" of Christ, because as far as they know, they shed blood and took countless lives in his name, and for the sole purpose of advancing his gospel, spreading it to all nations. What you have committed here is a No True Scotsman fallacy. That would be like me denying you're a Nigerian because you bear an English name.

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TheDevilsBride:
I don't claim to be intelligent, but I'm obviously not stupid enough to believe that a 2,000-year-old text written by nomadic tribesmen is the ultimate authority on morality, smh, lmao .

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So if you don't believe in what the book says that's fine but saying those who are not practicing what the character they are referring to as "LORD" teaches are his followers is self deceit Sir! Matthew 7:21-23

Not surprised, smh, that you ran back to scriptures as usual. Of course, it's way much easier for you to quote scriptures and pretend that it's the ultimate authority, forgetting the fact that the very concept of "Christianity" has evolved over the centuries, influenced by regional and/or cultural, philosophical, historical, and social contexts, and that the Bible is but one of MANY factors that shape the beliefs and practices of Christians today.

Doesn't it weaken or tire you out, chasing your own tail with this circular logic, you keep using? I mean, have you even stopped dead in your tracks, and sat down to consider the very real possibility, that perhaps the reason why many self-proclaimed Christians do not adhere to Jesus' teachings, even as they are recorded in the Bible, is because the vast majority of those teachings are often so sufficiently vague or contradictory, that they defy reason and/or are simply impractical in our modern societal climate?

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MaxInDHouse:
There is no twisting the book says this man TEACHES IN PARABLES {Matthew 13:13, 34} so instead of quoting what he said which none of his disciples acted upon literally why not figure out where he lead by example or where his disciples practice what you think he meant?

Funny you should talk about "leading by example". I'm sure turning the other cheek is a perfect example, 'specially right after you've just bought a sword, and sold your cloak to do so, lol.

If Jesus never used a sword against anyone, condemned the act which his closest confidant carried out and thereafter none of his disciples ever tried it again does that not show you he didn't mean what you think?

Weak defense. It's true, Peter, one of Jesus' closest confidants, did use a sword, and Jesus didn't exactly praise him for it. But you've managed to miss the point, as usual. What you should have observed here, Max, is that Jesus' teachings, taken at face value, can be interpreted to condone violence, at the very least. I suppose going by your weird logic, an army general who orders his troops into battle isn't responsible for any bloodshed, afterall, he didn't personally fire a shot nau, lmao.

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MaxInDHouse:
@ TheDevils.Bride

Jesus said a lot but instead of jumping to conclusion after hearing him we were told to FOLLOW HIS FOOTSTEPS CLOSELY {1Peter 2:21} he never taught us to hurt our enemies rather he said we should love and pray for their well-being! Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 6:27-28

Ah yes, I can totally envision the loving, conflict avoidant and easy going temperament in Jesus as he was flipping tables and whipping merchants in the temple.

So i ask you again who are those fighting and killing their own enemies?

Do you still think they are his followers?

Leave the matter whether he is real or not for now!

This dishonest contortion of clearly written texts, that you're indulging in, is quite frankly, starting to annoy me. The spirit of mendacity is clearly at play here. You're sounding as slippery as a snake oil salesman. The sword wasn't for cutting bread, my dear friend, so quit messing around.

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MaxInDHouse:
Here is the same Jesus talking in that same chapter you quoted earlier:

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet harmless as doves" Matthew 10:16

So? The only thing this proves is that Jesus' teachings are as consistent as a Nigerian politician's promises, lmao.

After this he said:

Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Matthew 10:34-36

He explained what he meant by SWORD that his teachings will cause a division among families as many will find it stupid while few will take it seriously so those who think it's stupidity will hate and treat those believing badly.

Wawu! So Jesus' sword is acting metaphorical, but I'm sure the swords his disciples were instructed to buy in Luke 22:36 were purely for the purposes of cutting grass and hunting all the bush meat in Jerusalem .

@ Luke 22:36

The SWORD he meant was understood by his disciples to mean full copy of God's word {Ephesians 6:17} that's why you can't see one instance where his disciples fought or kill anyone!

As the compulsive cherry-picker you lot are, it should come as no surprise that you readily pick and choose what the parts of the Bible are intended to be metaphorical, and what parts are intended to be literal.

Surely, if Jesus had truly meant to say "go buy a Bible," shouldn't he have, you know, simply just said that? Instead, he chooses to waffle about swords, and his disciples, being clever fellows, understood him to mean actual, physical swords.

So tell me, Max, where then is this "understanding" of the disciples recorded? Perhaps I must have missed that part where they're like, "Oh, Jesus means we should buy Bibles, not swords!", but nope, didn't happen, lol.

What did happen, however, was that they responded by saying, "Look, Lord, we have two swords here." (Luke 22:38) Not exactly the response you'd expect if they really thought Jesus was indeed, talking about spiritual swords, lmao.

MaxInDHouse:
Point to a verse where Jesus taught his disciples to fight and kill their enemies or where he fought to kill an enemy.

There is no cherry picking here it's there in the book!

But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one".
- Luke 22:36

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword"
- Matthew 10:34

Go ahead and twist this one inside out, as I expect you to.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy leave grammar and face the fact if people today are claiming "CHRISTIANS" and they have no other character to point to as their LORD whose orders they are following you who thinks you are intelligent should be able to tell them point-blank that they aren't following what is written as teachings of the CHRIST.

I don't claim to be intelligent, but I'm obviously not stupid enough to believe that a 2,000-year-old text written by nomadic tribesmen is the ultimate authority on morality, smh, lmao .

MaxInDHouse:
I perfectly agree with the bolded but why do you now assume people who just claim CHRISTIANS are true Christians when they DISREGARD what Jesus taught?

Smh look at charcoal calling snow white black. You're suddenly concerned about people misrepresenting Jesus' teaching when you've been cherry-picking scripture to suit your own agenda.

MaxInDHouse:
If you refuse to FOLLOW what Jesus taught in order to define Christians then you are an hypocrite because you will never ever agree with me that someone who knows nothing about science nor practice science is a scientist!

Tsk, tsk. It seems your Jesus-shaped glasses are fogging up your ability to see the forest of hypocrisy for the trees of irrational, mindless dogma.

MaxInDHouse:
If someone should ask an atheist to say something about scientists he will prove that scientists are people who invented so many things we are using today.
But the same atheist will argue claiming a Christian is anyone who claims being Christian even though such a person has no regard for what Jesus who is called CHRIST taught.

Really hilarious!

The true hilarity, my dear Max, is how you keep running into minefields with your self-defeating logic. We define scientists by what they DO, for instance, conducting research, testing hypotheses, carrying out experiments and producing verifiable results. This is a far cry from your dodgy definition of a "true Christian", which is about as fluid as water in a colander. By the way, why don't you inform us more on how the Inquisitors were 'not real Christians' while they were literally torturing people in the name of Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you don't even know what it means to be a Christian you're just claiming you know.

Are you then implying that being a Christian means being wilfully obtuse, and oblivious to the glaring inconsistencies and blood-soaked history of your own faith?

Well for your information Jesus of Nazareth is the man who claims to be the Christ so his teachings is what binds some people together and observers that noticed their movement started calling them "Christians" Act 11:26

Isn't it hilarious, how you actually think a 2,000-year-old Palestinian preacher's teachings are what bind people together, and yet you somehow conveniently gloss over the fact that his teachings have been interpreted, reinterpreted, butchered and re-packaged wholesale, from front to back, to create the very divisions I mentioned earlier.

Therefore you assuming Christians are people fighting and killing neighbours including their fellow worshipers because of politics shows you don't know what you are saying!

Smh, so you want me to believe, that the countless Christians who slaughtered each other throughout history were just actors and actresses abi?

MaxInDHouse:
Which of all that you mentioned is able to uproot hatred that's based on politics and racism from the minds of adherents of their religion?

Non-sequitur. However, I appreciate your inadvertent validation of the proofs I presented, by completely ignoring the request you made of me and falling back to irrelevant emotional appeals. I can't even call this a bait-and-switch, because the switch up was so laughably disjointed from the subject of your request.

God promised a New Covenant {Jeremiah 31:33} that will help adherents form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3} so that adherents of this New Religion will speak the same language of peace! Zephaniah 3:9

In the real world, Christians can't even get their shít together, and agree on what the color of Jesus' eyes is, let alone even speak the same language of peace. Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, JWs, 7-Day Adventists and a gazillion other denominations, all of which claim to be THE true followers of the same God. Tell me more about your big, happy family of petty incessant quarrels and piss fights, lmao.

But because you just feel like cracking jokes you assume it's the religion of the Council of Nicaea, King James, and Martin Luther.

What manner of disconnected logic is this? Abeg go back and read the question you asked, read my response, then read this here post again and again and see if it makes any lick of sense to you.

Abeg which of these three attends the religion that adherents has vowed never to raise weapons against their neighbors?

Are you even aware that the history of Christianity is riddled with more bloodshed than a Quentin Tarantino movie, from the Crusades to the Inquisition?

Ọmọ i understand you are protesting but as for what you are trying to define i can tell you with all my chest that you know nothing about it!

Well, no offense my dear, but you're only just putting "all your chest" into being wantonly ignorant.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you prove the highlighted?

Lol !

The Council of Nicaea?

King James?

Martin Luther?

The fact that the Bible you've been quoting is obviously an English translation?

You need me to spell it all out for you, or are you taking the piss, lmao?

Nah, I'm guessing you'd rather just play dumb instead, and pretend your holy text just somehow teleported from the ancient Aramaic scrolls, straight and direct, into your Amazon Kindle, huh ?

I'd be surprised if we can find 2, lmao.

MaxInDHouse:
You are protesters forming woke simply because you don't grasp some things so you choose to follow the white man's new opinion called "Atheism"

That's why true believers don't get angry no matter what you say so far it's just your hands that's typing what you think we will continue to prove to you guys that you are WRONG about God!

...unironically spoken by someone who follows the white man's edited, translated, and curated version of a Middle Eastern religion, smh, you really should get a mirror, and practice some self-awareness. Your "not getting angry" canard is woefully transparent, lol.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
I have been on this forum for 16 years. This is not my usual profile. This is -

https://www.nairaland.com/deepsight

Believe me, there is almost nothing we have not discussed and no angle we have not explored over the years. It is rare to come across any adult who changes thier mind on existential matters.

Here, is perhaps a summary of my thinking.

https://www.nairaland.com/404066/essentials-deism

You do sound jaded, lol. But I get you, and fully empathize with you. Nonetheless, I'd simply argue that the impasse here might not necessarily lie with skeptics' inability to grasp your logic, but instead with the inherent complexity and subjectivity of existentialist questions in general, so you can't fault us for asking for proof all the time, lol.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
I also dont believe anyone knows what happens at death, and if anything happens at all, it could be as varied as reincarnation or the harvesting of our energies as food for some strange extra terrestial entities.

However, that we are more than physical alone seems to me apparent to the reflective mind.

Perhaps you're right. But absent any evidence, I don't suppose anyone here is obliged to take you seriously.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Touche, @ "deus ex machina" - nice one.
I'm afraid I dont think anything I say - however logical - can convince most skeptics.

I'm sorry, just a little curious, but why do you think, you can't convince most skeptics, with your propositions, "however logical"?

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Touche, @ "deus ex machina" - nice one.
I'm afraid I dont think anything I say - however logical - can convince most skeptics.

Fair enough. It's your belief, afterall.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
You were not aware of that process when it happened. If it repeats itself elsewhere, you will most likely also not be aware of it.
What this points to is a machinery existing beyond your consciousness which activates both you and your reality.

I'm sorry but you lost me here. This machinery you've alluded to seems more like a placeholder, a needless deus ex machina, that you've conjured out of thin air, to explain the inexplicable, without providing any actual explanation to quell any skepticism.

I don't believe. I don't think we can have access to any such information at the moment, and I'm skeptical of people that think they do.

Smh, lol at the poster below me. Couldn't help himself.

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Dtruthspeaker:
So you can have the last word...

Few seconds later...

Dtruthspeaker:
Now are you seeing the woman up ⏫ is trying to keep the attention on Me desperately insalting me.

Clearly tells you, her desperate need to stop you from thinking to check her illicit set up.

Men, shey una dey see the wahala wey dey wait you?

If una like make una no get sense make una dey check weda that girl wey gree for you so, no be set up, she don set take trap and finish you patapata. Make una no go carry blame wey u no suppose carry.

So clearly, you can see all these abuse and insalt by that evil woman up is meant to ensure that she and her evil sisters continue to keep you bound in their evil clutches

If insecurity was a person .

Dtruthspeaker:
The only one holding on to a sunk ship is you. And in international Law it is not right to shoot soldiers holding on to their sunk ship so, I have moved to other targets. So you can have the last word girl, since you need it to survive. hahahahahahahaha

Truly I'm disappointed. I actually kept hoping you'd eventually redeem yourself and actually address the counters I submitted to your argument. Sadly, you chose to troll till the bitter end, still reeling from the debilitating blow of being intellectually eviscerated, now reduced to grasping at the tattered remnants of your tenuous argument. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Your delusional declarations of victory are as hollow as a pothole, but thanks anyway for the laughs. It was fun watching you unwittingly assumed the role of court jester, providing a sideshow of slapstick humor and unintentional hilarity .

Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you !

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one who writes so long a letter now following me to keep it short!

Your inability to follow up with long detailed posts is only a testament to your poor intellect and attention deficit. I'm aghast that you'd brandish this glaring defect of yours so proudly, smh.

Loser is now copying me! hehehehe hehehehe

You're just so desperate to find any leverage for your lost cause, aren't you ?

And I am familiar with all the losers antics since I always Win! hehehehe

Smh, only thing you've accomplished on this thread is piss on yourself and seem inexplicably proud of it. Get real.

Dtruthspeaker:
So men, don't forget before you accept the blame make sure that it is not the girl who set you up first because, like this case, the girl is the one who targeted the teacher.

Exactly how they use to target and pin anothers pregnancy on you which you people have finally woken up and had sense to contest and call for the conclusive proof.

So stop taking shit created by women and stop being distracted by the noise they make.

Like the girl here has shown they are all noisy distractions meant to make you take the shits and accept the blame they place on you.

^^^Victim-blaming logic, ladies and gentlemen: a minor student clearly "targeted" her adult teacher who was in a position of authority, trusted by her family, and serving as her spiritual mentor, because obviously, teenage girls are criminal masterminds who can override an adult's moral compass, professional ethics, and religious convictions with their diabolical powers of existing as a female. Smh, lmao, if only Dtruthspeaker's logic were as sharp as his ability to deflect personal accountability, lol. Reminds me of my summary of the bizarre state of mind of this individual>>>

TheDevilsBride:
Now let us analyze, the psychological underpinnings of Dtruthspeaker's response.

1> His irrational eagerness to assume, and Olympic triple-jump into conclusions, the absolute worst about Khadija's character and experiences, betrays his deep-seated need to control others and judge them, because of fear of autonomy and agency of others, particularly women. You hate that women have their own wishes and can fulfill them by virtue of their own free will, don't you?

2> He's too thick and stuck in the past to see the forest for the trees, so he will deliberately miss the point, shifting focus away from the perpetrator's actions and onto the victim's perceived culpability in a perverse attempt to justify his concept of "authority".

3> He wilfully uses his religion, in a chilling and disturbing attempt, to rationalize manipulation and cruelty as divine punishments and justifications for Khadija's suffering.

I must confess though, that the most revealing, albeit disturbing, aspect of this individual's response is his covert sadism. He evidently takes great satisfaction in imagining Khadija's suffering, gleefully citing biblical punishments to enhance his ecstasy, and betraying his bizarre, deep-seated pleasure in the misfortune of others by callously dismissing her agency without a second thought.

Your comments on this thread, have exposed your psychological profile as a bully who deceives himself by cloaking his cruelty in the language of morality and scripture, blissfully and perhaps, wilfully unaware, as to the depth of his own psychological rot.

Cc: Nnamdipapa, Atk1nson

Dtruthspeaker:
do you not know it is Losers who say this?

Never knew. Although, not surprised that you would be very familiar with one-liners losers use, since you use them often, being a loser yourself, without respite .

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the proud one talking so much .

Your argument sucked. It's time to let go .

Dtruthspeaker:
Typical Loser's Complaints when they Lose!

The only thing lost here, clearly, is your sense of pride, as you've hurtled off the rails of sanity, liking your own posts and replying yourself because you couldn't counter my points.

Keep up the antics. Trust, I'm having fun, laughing here with my popcorn, watching your trite exhibition .

Dtruthspeaker:
;

Says the woman who flew off point since the Gulf war ended.
Now we are catching fun and she is complaining.
Girl, rest you can never ever beat me.

You done?

Your argument is still cooked. No amount of stale and cringy jokes will uncook it.

I'm so sorry .

MaxInDHouse:
This shows how you view Jehovah after reading his word or listening to others that doesn't mean everyone around you must view Him the same way!

Tought tits, Idgaf .

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you care about proof yourself?

When you are in Ikot Ikpene prisons we can talk about proof there

C,mon now, dude, stop acting like a manchild. You have no more angles. Your desperate and off-point ramblings will not score you any more brownie points. Your argument was cooked, and you support rape. Accept my condolences .

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes you kill little boys, girls and weak women or men.

But right now who cares?
We are throwing people in prisons when accused. So, Foreign affairs would be in touch with the police where you are to extradite you back here to be cast into prison.

Can you prove this trite absurdity? Is this how desperate you are? Very sad, indeed .

Your argument is cooked. Deal with it.

FayaBall:
E pain am

Lol. Keep going. I'm just lol'ing here at your desperate attempts to shift the attention from your obvious intellectual deficits. Stick a fork in your argument already. It's done, lmao.

FayaBall:
You are the hen, so obviously it's your eggs

I'm not the one clucking though :

FayaBall:
Cluck, cluck, cluck,

Dtruthspeaker:
There goes until proven guilty, So let's have you extradited here and thrown into Ikot Ikpene prisons because I say you are a witch who has killed many little boys girls

Have I killed any little boys or girls before? No

Are you a shameless rape apologist with disturbing fantasies of control and dominance? Yes

Doesn't take a uni professor to see who the real clown is here .

FayaBall:
theDevilsQuacker

...interestingly enough, rhymes sonically with DTruthSpeaker, though. Very interesting wordplay there. Kikikikiki.