Joenz: Babe u keep pulling stats outta ur bra n brandishing them as tho they r facts.

And may i also state that i will no longer give ur statements quoting me or directed towards me d honour of a response, except of course they r nt insultive this means [/b]i will no longer reply u , [b]

As i c u r trying to steer me towards d insultive pattern of arguement i do not particularly enjoy... Which obviously u do, u can feel free to insult ooh, u av no restrictions i promise nt to insult u in return, so cheers


Btw, I know an insult will follow this ,

Joenz: Babe u keep pulling stats outta ur bra n brandishing them as then,

Ahh i say im tempted to insult but i woud not let another as shallow minded as u dictate my response

Imagine [/b] i just knew i would be insulted for stating that i am female,u dint make such a statement until i stated dt i wz a female. Hw can u say i pull things out of bra? Is dt d required response even after i told u nt to bother to reply, u just had to insult sha, na wa ooh Hmmn these r d guys dt want to be CMD...... U just hate that a female took u on.....as i said b4 i wont fall for the temptation to insult u[b]

Keep insulting.....smh.[/b] MR PULL OUT OF A BRA[b]

So childish of u..... Learn to treat females with respect, i know its may be difficult for u, but just try

(Nd when i say respect i mean d type u'd want another guy to give ur sister, or ur mom, note that i didnt insult them, bcuz i know u'd come now and say i'm insulting ur mother, lemme clarify dt one b4 it arises

And for the records im a lady nt everyone is a guy u know

Joenz: Another pathological lie typical of the lying egomaniac Nigerian physicians.whrever u practice in Nigeria,hw can u say med students n physicians pay for patients' tests MOST times,dnt u guys av conscience at all?And then to ur example,so cos d second test confirms ur suspesion of anaemia,u then load d patient with all sorts of heamatinics and supplement without caring to know wat d root cause is.let's assume d issue abt renal disorder leading to inadequate production of heamopoietin,then u continue loading ur patient with blood,patient suffers citrate toxicity n dies after massive blood tranfusion.This is exactly why u will b in jail in a sane society cos d will b thoroughly investigated n actsof incompetence or negligence severely punished!

Yea yea i know i said i waz leaving, bt i just had to reply this b4 logging off

Lolz i'm laughin here u r trying too hard to impress with big terms.... So that u would be seen as intelligent ba, of course im nt sayin u r not ooh, cuz i can c u want to start throwing insults


I waz only tryin to explain that most times lab results are wrong and have to be repeated if it does not correspond with the clinical findings.........abi, havnt u heard of types of errors.....[/b] error of equipment, error of the reagent, error due to the lack of skill of the lab attendant, error caused by many other things e.t.c[b]

And u come here to talk about over loading and and haematopoietin andrenal failure like i'm one uninformed fellow that doesn'tknow what it means.
of course if d stuff u mentioned above happens, d doctor's licence can be revoked even if d patient does nt press charges..
How many times have u heard of a nurses' licence seized, or a lab technician sacked for wrong result? due to patients death....its always d doctors that suffer for whatever negative outcome in treatment. [/b]everyone blames the doctor[b]

P.s dnt bother to reply. I'm sorry if u r pained(i do not mean this as an insult pls) i get ur point abi, what more can i say....

Toh, think i'v tried for today lemme go rest!

To all those who will misconstrew my sentences, i say....... Happy misquoting

Joenz: Who cares abt wat some over-zealous brain-washed MB.BS students do?d issue shld b 'did d striking Nurses achieve their aim or not?'Now to y I qouted u,u feel its ethical and beneficial to treat based on some vital signs and history and u talk of qualitative healthcare delivery?Heck u dnt even try that in well-structured Nigerian clinics,my brother u won't dare!I just pity d masses @ d receiving end of dis whole imbroglio.

U r still making me laugh, in nigeria nothing works, most patients do not have the money to do tests so therefore only basic tests are done in most instances most times medical students and doctors contribute money to pay for patient's test.

Do u even come in contact with patients if u do u'd know that majority are the lower class and are nt financially bouyant


Thats why as a doctor u must be well grounded to be sure enough to diagnose ur patient based on clinical findings, so that any test that can be skipped is skipped and only d neccessary ones are done




For instance if i feel a patient has anaemia from my clinical finding of paleness, i také a bld sample and send to the lab if the lab report says he is normal, nd im nt satisfied i order a repeat which in most instances turn out to be different from the former report.

Bt if i také d initial report and do nothing about it, and my patient runs into complications later, no one will listen to me when i give d excuse that "afterall, d lab report says he is alright"
I will be sanctioned. Thats y as a doctor u would make ur diagnosis even before involving any lab

skippo: Johesu is soooooo pathetic! most of them are medical school drop outs.if they were the doctors,would they agree to other health professionals being CMDs? It will never happen! we will strike till it is reversed,let them take patients into the consulting rooms and theatres and diagnose and operate...I laugh.if they go on strike,let them watch us do laboratory invxs and dispense drugs.

U cant, nt bcuz u really cant bt because they would lock up the stores and pharmacy and také the keys home with them due to insecurity

Bt when doctors strike, they leave the consulting room and theatres open for anyone who wants to use it

When a pretend doctor does an abortion for u and overscrapes ur womb, of course u r happy that u paid less, plus baby is gone.....then fast forward 10 yrs later and infertility sets in, u then go to d consultant gynaecologist expecting him to perform wonders, bt alas d uterine linig cant support a growing fetus due to the complications of d unsafe abortion...... D quack has long gone u cant trace him.........


Support their growth well ooh pls do

Joenz: you my friend would have been in jail and your licence permanently revoked by now if ours was a sane society,you know it!

u r so funny, kai being in jail, for what if i may ask, na wa ooh u r one of those pple that threaten everybody they have a disagreement with jail time, being in jail for saying medical students wre drafted to fill in for nurses when they went on strike...... U r tempting me but i refuse to yield to the use of insultive terms

During the last Nurses strike, medical students were drafted to také over the wards, they did all the nurses were supposed to do.
Change bedspreads, administer drugs, carry bedpans, name it d hospital ran very well


Even these lab pple u r talkin about self, most patients do not have money for the tests and they beg doctors to skip them. If a patients shows clinical signs of a disease i only confirm with a lab test not that i need it to make my diagnosis. And dt is if d patient has the money for it if not, i skip it

Také this scenario, they bring in an emergency accident victim that has lost a lot of blood. Nd requires urgent blood transfusion, resident doctor admits the patient také blood samples and calls for the porter/messenger to také to the lab...... The messenger is no where to be found, will he say he's not interested, no he wont he then sends the already tired House Officer who has been busy all day to také d samples himself to the lab to group and crossmatch blood when d house officer gets there they refuse to release blood, claiming blood has almost finished the house officer then fights tooth and nail with them to collect a pint of blood which he runs to give d other doctor note that all these thing r not he's job bt that of the messenger bt if he doesnt do it, d patient will die then the relatives would say " a doctor refused to treat their son"

barcanista:
Oh really? Well the public won't know such position exist. And Since it does, I agree with the NMA on that. The Chief MEDICAL Director Should be a Medic... As long as the Dir. Admin is open to all.
You Meds need to fine tune and polish your demands. From the Outside some of them look obscene... But with what i've been getting so far, they are legitimate. However, I still insist that there are better ways in pressing home your demand without striking.
BTW:It seems JOHESU are not telling us some things.

U begining to see reaosn with NMA ba? [/b] y is JOHESU fighting to be CHIEF MEDICAL DiIRECTOR when they can be DIRECTOR of ADMINISTRATION? [b]


Y leave their [/b]CHIEF nURSING OFFICER [b] post to fight for someone else's

Th ething is, doctors are busy, if not for the strike, i asure u no doctor would be on nairaland trading blames these JOHESU guys do shifts, doctors do not

A nurse would do morning shift and go home a house officer will be in the hospital from morning till night running helter skelter doing d jobs of messengers and nurses because they are no where to be found and ur OGA CONSULTANT does not want to hear story.

barcanista:

@nmanigeria: 23. That position of Medical Director/CMD must be occupied by a Medical Doctor as in the Act establishing tertiary Hospitals. #NMAStrike
Why? CMD/MD is an Administrative office. It is the prerogative of the employer to appoint person that he feels has the [b]competence to occupy it. It is not an EXCLUSIVE preserve of a particular group[/b]

There is already an administrative post THE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATION in a hospital which is open to all units, the chief medical director CMD is for doctors alone. Just like doctors should not contest to be CHIEF NURSING OFFICER, nurses shldn't also contest to be CHIEF MEDICAL DIRECTOR everyman to his own.

Inkredible: Ur opinion though. But those Nurses, their head dey dia. On rounds eh, questions r thrown to anyone. I don't see how those who can't provide answers r "less knowledgeable". But shouldn't dey be " more knowledgeable" than student nurses?

What were u doing in the hospital if i may ask?
Were u a patient or a patient relative, or do u work in the hospital?
Because ur manner of speech seem to be portraying that you were just observing things....
I assume u are a patient [since u said u were present durin rounds only patients are allowed even their relatives are sent out except in special instances],

[/b]who admitted u
Who diagnosed u
Who is treating u
Who prescribed ur drugs
Who monitors ur progress
Who will discharge u
..........A DOCTOR[b]

I wonder if u allowed the "brilliant student nurse to do all of the above?

The funny thing is, when these nurses or their relatives are sick, [/b]they never treat themselves or agree to be treated by a fellow nurse they always demend and beg to be seen by a doctor thats where u'd c them smiling and callin doctors "OGA"[b].

But if its the public they'd be claiming that they know more than doctors and be killing pple all over. A serious nurse never claims to know more than a doctor, its all thse clowns that r always claiming stuff.

;DWhen next you are sick, or have a surgery, let the nurse do it.

When u go to the clinic in the hospital, beg the nurses and cleaner and johesu to review ur case say u dont want to be treated by a doctor because they are proud. All will be well with you

I'v said it before and i'll say it again

Look for another name must u shre d name 'consultant' with regards to the health sector?


Chartered accountants are so called becauce they passed ICAN

We have SAN, they are lawyers that have been called to the bar, and have fulfilled other requirements, let all the clerks and secretaries and other pple that work in the court fight to
Become SAN....... Just because they have been working for long in the court.....

Or better still let policemen abandon their inspector general of police title and fight to become fieldmarshall and captain and mayor just like d army because they are both security operatives...... Why not after all we are all "equal"

Inkredible: My dear, a consultant nurse will do wonders o. He! I know wat m saying bro. Forget this Doctors public status. Nurses nowadays r fire. Been privileged to witness wia a student nurse defended a medical student who made a point but couldn't explain it during a ward round. Come see the Chief fuming and bastardizing the med students for not been able to answer his questions while a "common nurse" is doing so. I don witness dis things up to 8 times. On one occasion, the Chief had to tell the nurses not to go on rounds with em. Of course its not possible, the student nurse had to keep shut to questions. My guy, those nurses are fire.

Lolz during rounds, questions are thrown to the least knowledgable of medical students the ones who d consultants r sure wont get the right answer , d aim is to embarrass them so that they would go and read and become more serious. And saying the chief told the nurse not to go on round with them is either a blatant lie or not the total truth....... Doctors are always telling nurses to go on rounds with them its a nurses' duty not that they do anything special during rounds, just to retrieve patients files. But they are so lazzy that they prefere gisting during rounds.

Inkredible: [b]

First of all if u want to quote me, do it properly, u joined my statement with urs making it incomprehensible!!!!!.......
Also u dnt just say "reason b4 u type" for no reason, it doesnt make u look any wiser.
D title CONSULTANT is researved in the health profession, it is not for everybody, it is not even for all doctors! JOHESU should look for their own name and make it prestigious then they can begin to share it with everybody




Just like saying everyone who works in a court should bacome SAN because they are important

Not everry doctor self is a consultant, if JOHESu should become consultants, then all doctors r automatically consultants then what would be d need for residency, and further training. The healthcare system would collapse, because if after becoming a dortor, i am an automatic consultant, i would not bother myself to do for training it would be a waste of my time.

Patients would still suffer it because there would be no need for expertise. No need to gain further knowledge via d residency programme.

The funny thing is, not all doctors are consultants. Before you can be made a consultant, after becoming a doctor, you will then proceed to start residency training which is verrrry stressful. In this training you will be required to write a no of exams.
Most of these exams r not passed o n first attempt and ha ve to b e repeated. It takes a no of years to become a consultant. Depending on the specialty.So u then want lab technicians and nurses to become consultants, hheehehehehe they should agree to write and pass all the examinations required, if they can, no problem....
They want to be regarded as consultants without going through the training smh,