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TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR:
claremont:
A racist policy. If a Ukrainian came by boat from France, would they send the Ukrainian to Rwanda? Why is it just black and brown people they send to Rwanda?!

I and many immigrants in the UK are economic migrants. The only difference between us and the refugees crossing the channel is simply sheer luck. We were lucky to come in via the boat of university migration, and we were lucky to have the funds to pay tuition fees, visa etc.

If a book was written about the sheer hypocrisy of a small minority of black and brown people speaking/acting against black and brown refugees escaping their countries to seek a better life in the UK, that book will be a best seller.
We're being a bit one-sided here.

It's their country, and its up to them to decide who they want to come in, however that may seem to us. Students bring in money, are skilled (at least on paper) and are controlled with visa restrictions (NRPF and all that) and are offered a work-related path to immigration which suits the country (giving priority to people like health and care workers, lorry drivers, etc.) , however uneven the path may seem to us. Those who come through the people smugglers are actually circumventing the "first safe country" principle and if they actually were genuine refugees they would not traverse the whole of Europe at great expense to find their way to the UK (even though refugees are actually better off in countries such as Spain, Germany and France where they get the right to work and higher benefits, the UK only suffers from the perception of being way more multicultural and a better place to hustle + English), that much we all know.

Sometimes when I go to inner-city Manchester and see whole neighbourhoods that are basically part of New Delhi or Islamabad or any other Asian suburb, and you see that through an oyibo man's eyes, you can understand why the immigration thing is an emotive issue and how the uncontrolled aspect is a potential flashpoint for us all.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 8:09pm On Apr 16, 2022
LondonDating:
Its hard to explain and whilst I hate to tar all Nigerians in the UK with the same brush, when you hear of cases when a pastors wife's credit card was stolen from right inside her bag in the church sanctuary, it tells you that some people can be so bold in their criminality and there are a caliber of Nigerians in the UK that had no transferable skills to bring to the UK from Naija but they managed to get a visa during the Non Appearance Visa regime some years ago and these people will obviously gravitate to crime plus a lot of Nigerians have a penchant for not telling the truth.
Customers striking back.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 1:36pm On Apr 16, 2022
justwise:
osinachi nwachukwu was as religious as you can get with God given talent, the husband is a pastor and he ended up killing her after years of abuse. They heard from God? Nigerian version of religion is a scam
Lol.
Don't get us started on the gods of men and other beings in the Naija religious sphere.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 9:38am On Apr 16, 2022
ultrazone:
@omobaba, thank you for stating it as it is. She has admissions to UK and Canadian schools, so we plan to go with one with greater prospects.
@TheGuyFromHR, can you please share your view too, bro?
As others have mentioned, if I were seeking a course solely for career prospects alone, I wouldn't spend my money on an MSc in HR.
Obviously, like most of the current wave of students from Nigeria, the plan is emigration (and not strictly a career in HR, I assume), so all I can say is come in (you're already coming anyway), pray hard to whomever you believe in and try your luck.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 6:37am On Apr 12, 2022
Alexia20:
Thanks for your prompt response .My COS doesn't cover for the family .By my calculation referencing uk gov doc above ,for family of 4 excluding the principal applicant , amount needed will totally to £1000 .So what will be the conversion rate used by VO
www.oanda.com
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 3:17pm On Apr 08, 2022
canadaishome:
SOS!!!
Canada have asked me for passport after 3 years, they don wake up!!
We are already booked for biometrics for April 27 and deadline to submit to Canada is May 8.
I've tried contacting Nigerian high Commission in London about expedited processing but their phone line never gets answered.
Please guys I need your help

Does anyone know if fast/expedited processing is still an option? No information on their website about this

How can I contact UK high Commission and get a fast response?
Good luck and Godspeed.
Permanent residence in Canada is way better than the half-limbo of a Tier 2 visa with no security and NRPF.

When you go to the HC, speak to them there, the passport unit chaps are approachable and if you explain your matter, they might be willing to expedite for you even if fast track is no longer available.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 11:33am On Apr 07, 2022
umarwy:
but one indian man won a court case agaunst ukvi for something similar, something in the lines of not all adults are in relationshps or seek relationship 100 percent of the time. do quote me, i saw it on news or somewhere
So basically, hope dey for interested persons. wink
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 10:27am On Apr 07, 2022
LagosismyHome:
I don't know of other cities as I am a londoner so I follow mainly london news .

In 2017 two thirds of knife crime offenders under 25 in London were black or minority ethnic, according to the Mayor of London’s Office for Policing and Crime.

Two third abeg is high enough for my ears. Please I am happy to be stopped and delayed to where I am going , if it helps catch and stop someone with a knife . It very heart breaking to be a parent of a child who died due to stabbing.
Most of those reports are not adjusted for socio-economic factors.
Simplistically, the violent crime rates are higher in deprived areas (nationwide, not only in London), and unfortunately 70% of persons in income poverty in London are ethnic minorities. It's the same in Manchester or up north where all the Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are in places like Bradford.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 10:18am On Apr 07, 2022
LagosismyHome:
For me even if they do that is ok as well ..... if that would help keep my money safe then fine

It like the issue of stop and search... a lot of the stabbings in London is black on black. So I support the stop and search even if it you are stopping more of black people, after all based on the data the death is higher in our community.

However because of how inconvenience if you are stopped and political correctness , people are shouting don't do stop and search , it is racial profiling but aren't we higher in the stabbing department.....

Ok now no stop and search then young boys are roaming the streets with knifes and stabbing continues . You can't always cut your cake and eat it .
Another matter don come. grin
This is racial profiling and I have a huge problem with that.
Are you saying that crime is higher among black people than others?
The Met's own stats showed that black people were stopped more of the time than their share of the population, while the people actually found to be carrying knives most of the time on being stopped were[i] not[/i] black.

I will find that report, it was published last year.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 10:08am On Apr 07, 2022
LagosismyHome:
No 2 happens more often than you think. Some years ago I went to Ba Heathrow desk so not even online. And was paying for some tickets. Despite I put my pin the payment was declined..... I called the bank after been on hold for almost one hour and the hold was release and I was able to pay for the tickets

Highly inconvenient to me (especially the parking fees i paid that day, I was furious) but the amount of fraud that happens daily , I can understand that they are doing their job . Few years ago I shared here how someone fraudulently used my card. The person had a swell time,one week of spending spending until all the money finished before he or she rested. I was given my money back but someone paid the price for it . The bank. Shebi I am glad I am in the UK, if this was naija would I have gotten my money back in full ?.. I doubt that

This is why when I read your first post, I can see how inconvenient it can be and I sympathise but they are only doing their job . I could easily have said the bank declined my card because I was profiled as it was four business class ticket to nigeria so maybe it because I am black or white or it because the destination was an African country . Although really the bank didn't know the details of the booking just the amount....but you can always draw logic when you are upset or inconvenienced.... however when I remember how someone swiped my card unchecked for a whole week some years ago. I just calmed down , let them do their hold or check or whatever and paid the expensive Heathrow packing and went on my way.
Not to start a whole new line of discussion, but they do (or did) sometimes profile such destinations, especially Nigeria.
Is it racism? Not really - if you had been going to Kenya, Mauritius or SA for instance, which are not tagged countries were fraud is prevalent and are able to be included in the international financial ecosystem and have full PayPal accounts for instance - most likely that block wouldn't have been placed.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR:
BouharryArtikou:
A mum-of-four says she was who was forced to escape Nigeria with her children over fears for her safety is now using her voice to empower other women and young girls. Omoze, 35, who is currently living in a hotel in Brent Cross while waiting to hear back from the Home Office on her asylum status, fled her home country after she was arrested for her sexuality.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/mum-fled-london-nigeria-kids-23611094.amp
Lol.
I read somewhere that someone's asylum claim in similar circumstances was denied because the court said that he'd claimed to be gay, but had not provided evidence of having a boyfriend or seeking one all the while he'd been in the UK waiting for his asylum claim to be decided (a long time, the way these things generally happen) and free to live freely as he chose.

So for those interested in this asylum path, the time to start swiping your credit cards in gay bars and engaging in PDAs with your own gender in the street starts now.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 6:44am On Apr 07, 2022
davide470:
My sister works in the Fraud Prevention Unit (FPU) of a FinTech in Europe. She said and I quote - once you see any transaction that could be flagged as fraudulent, there is no limit of what publicly available information (LinkedIn, FB, Twitter, Instagram etc.) to check so as to mitigate the risk as long as the info is used solely for that purpose and nothing else. Once a transaction failed security check, they go all out. The ideal thing is to pause that payment channel till it is certified ok by the FPU and before it is certified, DD must me carried out.

The OP can file a case which is well within his/her rights, but a FPU officer will squash it within 5 mins. There is no discrimination in Fraud Prevention (her words).
Thanks for this clarification.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 6:44am On Apr 07, 2022
Ray7878:
The fact that he/she paid with her debit card and they cancel the order, he/she isn't asking for credit, your credit history doesn't come into this when you are paying with your debit card, he/she stated they even had to approve the transaction via their banking app.

So I don't know why the debit thing comes into it. I don't think people really understands what's going on in here, honestly. This is a good case for her/him to work on.
It was a series of transactions, and not only one debit transaction.
The OP applied for credit, through PayPal. This was declined. Why, neither we nor she know, but it could have been flagged as fraud.
The OP next attempted to pay for the item in full (debit). By this time someone is obviously looking at the transaction, and again declined it, for whatever reason, ostensibly because of suspected fraud. The two transactions are obviously connected and not standalone events.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 9:54pm On Apr 06, 2022
dustydee:
Document controllers handle sensitive documents as well and depending on the project, may need security clearance. The ones in my company have it else they cannot work on some projects. Not sure about citizenship except if it has to do with the required level of clearance.
I'm well aware what a document controller role entails, we recruit them.
What I said was that I thought that for a general document controller role in any usual commercial company, the requirement for British citizenship is unusual.
Security clearance stipulations are commonly seen and usually require a specified number of years of valid UK residency, and I've only come across a requirement for UK citizenship in adverts you see for the security services.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 8:01pm On Apr 06, 2022
fatima04:
In a related scenario where a job advert on LinkedIn specifically states British passport holder, can that be classed as discrimination.

A colleague saw the attached advert and was really displeased but I wasn't surprised since I encountered quite a bit of that during my job search and they all claimed its due to Security Clearance for the jobs.

With her reaction, it now got me thinking if it's passive discrimination but I am just used to it hence my not seeing a big deal to it.

On the other hand stating it publicly saves the recruiter and applicant precious time.
This one is interesting.
I usually see UK residents for past 3/5 years, etc. for this sort of job.
Except where it has to do with national security, that's the sort of thing where you see UK citizens only.
If this is an ordinary document controller position, then the stipulation for UK citizenship appears really strange to me.

Unless its MI5 or GCHQ and they're not saying.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 7:58pm On Apr 06, 2022
MichaelUde:
Lol, HR, me too dey wait.
Abi them no dey give Nigerians work in fraud prevention units? grin
Nobody should come for me, biko, even though I'm not fasting.
grin grin grin grin grin grin
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 7:54pm On Apr 06, 2022
fatima04:
Observation:- no hidden post or insult on the current debate going on and now 3 pages on. ***claps**maturity restored and confirmed. Pls no one should come for me oo, I am fasting grin[center][/center]
And that's how it should be.
I'm still waiting to see if someone with experience/knowledge in fraud prevention can come and give us insight.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 6:29pm On Apr 06, 2022
KOVIC19COVID20:
I think you are over reacting.

You said their email mentioned you failed security check - which is not uncommon.

Lawyers fees dear die…

“Perhaps because I’m black “ that is 100% speculation. Based on info available to you, there is NO WAY you can prove that, easily.

Based on the chronology of events you made here, it was in this order:

A. You tried PayPal, it was rejected.

B. You checked your LinkedIn profile and saw that a LinkedIn staff viewed your profile (presumably after the PayPal rejection)

C. You next uses your debit card. This was subsequently rejected too.

Conclusion: The decision made in C was as a result of the LinkedIn profile view.

How about A? Why did PayPal refuse (in the first instant?)Have you bothered to research that?

My take: Spare your energy for more serious battles
Detailed analysis.
As an aside, there's something called a conditional fee arrangement whereby a lawyer might agree to act for a claimant in a case they think has a very good chance of success, and in which case their fee will be paid as a percentage of whatever damages the court eventually awards. If the case is lost, nothing for them.

Just letting the OP know her options cheesy
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 6:25pm On Apr 06, 2022
Adazeal:
Please family, how and where does one get a full immunization history to meet a job requirement?
Also, if you've moved from Nigeria and haven't any records of immunizations, entities like the NHS will usually arrange for you to [re]take those they deem necessary for the role.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR:
Amarathripple0:
If you register your name (which is data by the way) and details on a company’s website and sign up as a user, and a staff member pulls that name and inserts it on a third-party social media app to look you up and you can clearly see that they went through your profile, then you can claim that there has been a breach. Yes, your social media page is public, but that information was not theirs to use for what appears to be personal purposes. Unless LinkedIn is one of their "products" and you consented to them going through your personal page on their terms and conditions, then yea, all is good, but in this case, John Lewis used my data on a platform they shouldn’t have. I hope this explains it so people can stop assuming that because it’s a social media page and that it’s public, they have a right to access it because that’s just a lack of awareness.

And by the way, under GDPR data protection, it state that information is considered personal data whenever an individual can be identified, directly or indirectly, “by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological"
P.S. I'm not holding brief for John Lewis here.
But you cited the [UK] GDPR inappropriately.
You just defined personal data as set out in the GDPR.
But in such a case, a controller could plausibly rely on Article 6(1)(f) - legitimate bases for processing of personal data, purpose, necessity and balancing.

1. Does John Lewis have a legitimate interest in conducting an quick review of the use of your card, extending to a check of your online presence? Arguably, yes - to prevent fraud.
2. Was it necessary? Again, arguably, yes, fraud costs the UK economy millions each year (their insurers would pay directly in such cases, but we all ultimately pay for these losses)
3. Does it outweigh your own interests? They can claim so, arguably its in your interests not to have your card used for fraud, which they claim they're trying to prevent, and in any case, that's objective and for a court/adjudicator to decide if it ever gets so far.

Again, I don't speak for John Lewis here and do not know if they have or have not proceeded appropriately in this situation, as I work in neither fraud prevention nor finserv.

And lest I forget - most companies might not in any case disclose what they do by way of DPP or anti-fraud measures.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 5:47pm On Apr 06, 2022
LagosismyHome:
Also to add grin the fact that a profile was viewed doesn't mean it had any single impact in the decision to reject or approve. It very speculative.

The amount of linkedin I look at weekly partly due to curiosity aproko , I should have lost my job by now if my employer was here, giving that I currently work in Financial sector
Precisely.
Googling someone's name in some cases to see what comes up is done.
To have a feel for what kind of persons they are (people who rant a lot on FB for instance or who put their whole lives on the internet or to get a feel of if they have any specific interests, etc., etc.). If I google my own name for instance, the second hit is my LinkedIn profile, and I have actually just noticed that the damn thing is still showing my location as good old Naija grin.

It's publicly available information so is not PPI.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 2:14pm On Apr 06, 2022
hustla:
I have read it undecided

so far his Linkedin was not provided to them, and they used info he gave them to check his linkedin, he should be able to sue (I no be lawyer o)

Coincidentally, I am writing a report on that 1998 / 2018 DPA and I still insist he needs to check to see what he can hold on to there

I rest my case o

Shalom

smiley
You didn't read the part where it was stated that perhaps it may be possible that it is within the scope of a fraud prevention to carry out extended checks on the purported purchaser including their online presence.

For instance, the fraud investigator might have been trying to verify whether the person whose card was being used was actually in the UK. A check of their LinkedIn profile would be one way of checking to see if that was indeed the case, despite the fact that a name and address has been given. It could have been an impersonation.

The point is that all departments have operating guidelines, and it may well be within the operating guidelines of that unit that they can use such means to verify whether this was a real transaction, or a fraudulent use of someone's card details, etc.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 1:35pm On Apr 06, 2022
hustla:
How did they look up his publicly available information?
Go back and read the course of the discussion.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 1:32pm On Apr 06, 2022
hustla:
Data Protection Act 2018 lists all that customer data can be used for

If he can go through it, he will see what data controllers can do with his information and decide if to sue or not

I will sue if i were him grin
Protectable personal data and publicly available information on a social media profile are two different beasts.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 1:31pm On Apr 06, 2022
Broomstick01:
Oh really .... �
There are some rules about dependants having to be in the UK already on the main applicant's student visa.
Go to gov. uk and read it up.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 1:29pm On Apr 06, 2022
phyl123:
You can either contest it (by writing to them), as you were told by a staff to board the next train or you pay up and save yourself stress.
Can train station (Network Rail) staff bind a train company (Cross Country)? I don't think so.
I've had a train cancelled a couple of times (same TransPennine, on my way from Manchester to Edinburgh, I think they're having issues on that route), and the first thing I did was to call them and they said to board any TransPennine train. When I pointed out that there was none going direct, they told me to get a ticket for any train service, then apply to them for a refund of the extra monies I paid. They didn't tell me to just jump on any train, obviously that can't be done, so even if the Network Rail staff did say that, it's not tenable.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 1:10pm On Apr 06, 2022
Solumtoya:
It's an advice I would give anyone: Your reason for marriage shouldn't be primarily "extra income".
Getting married for security boils down to the same thing ("extra income'), and security ranks high at the top of the list of reasons why people get married.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 12:51pm On Apr 06, 2022
Solumtoya:
This should be a personal decision actually. My thoughts are that if you postpone the wedding till after your PSW ish, it doesn't mean she will join you for free afterwards so I don't see the point. She will still be charged for Visa, IHS, etc. maybe less though. Your concern should be more of the best way to bring her soonest. Bonus: Spouse's earnings can be life saving if she won't mind working, although, I don't mean you should marry for the extra income o.
Why not?
People did, have done and are still doing that.
One spouse finances the other through school and so forth.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 12:49pm On Apr 06, 2022
MichaelUde:
OgaHR himself!
Fire and hire!
Lol.
Abeg softly softly o, make Unite and Unison no hear you, biko.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 12:40pm On Apr 06, 2022
Solumtoya:
If you don't want to pay so much, drop some stuff. Many of the things we insist on carrying eventually turn out to be very avoidable luggage. By this time next year, you'd be advising others same
Wise words.
But sometimes people only learn through experience.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR:
Amarathripple0:
Also might I add that going through someone’s profile on a third party app such as a Social media app goes against UK’s data protection policy under GDPR. I work in customer service and if I did that and they found out, I would be fired.
That may be the case in your customer service role, but as I earlier pointed out, it might not be the case in fraud prevention, and we don't know what methods they are authorized to use when conducting their investigations. Where they were not authorized to view your public profile in this instance, it would be a very incompetent person who would have left that trail for you to see and I would happily write out a dismissal letter for them right now were it to be my organisation.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 11:48am On Apr 06, 2022
Amarathripple0:
Good morning elders,

Please I would like to find out if this is discrimination or if I’m just overreacting. The gist is, I tried to order a laptop worth £800+ from John Lewis using the PayPal pay in 3 option. Mind you I’ve used this feature multiple times on other stores without issues.
Secondly, in your shoes, I would ease off on the use of PayPal's 3 in 1 as well no matter how small the purchase.
No-one really knows what algorithms they use for determining how much credit to give to people, so it is possible that the "computer" decided that 800 quid in 3 instalments was too much for them to give you, or out of character from your previous pattern of spending or that you're using it too frequently or whatever. Whatever the case, if you've got any other major transactions you want to charge, I'd advise you get a purchase credit card with a reasonably long interest-free period and put it on that.

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