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Bidam: My bro..the tin tire me o.. someone is even condemning what God spoke to malachi forgetting that it's not only tithes that is spoken there..offerings was also spoken in the same breath..marriage was also spoken on..They forgot that ALL scriptures are inspired by God and is profitable for doctrine. if tithing is not a form of giving in God's kingdom i wonder what is .They also forget that God's kingdom is not the physical land of Israel BUT AN INVISIBLE ONE RULED BY CHRIST.God help us.

You have posted this before and I asked you a simple question which you deliberately ignored.

If you are ok with practicing Malachi 3:10, why dont you also practice all the other things in the law like observing the Sabbath, etc? Why did you choose only tithing and leave the others?

Simple question bro!

idnoble135: I'm even tired of this argument. The way we are so caught up in this is alarming. How come this is all where some folks energy is channelled to? There are other pressing issues of similar importance, and these are not being addressed. Like speaking in tongues, walking in purity in a sin dominated world, the acceptance of the five fold ministries, strategic evangelism etc.
What seems to pain some folks is that some "MOG" are rich. The candid truth is most of them do not get it via tithes. You go and do your research. Most of them get it through personal giving which are tokens from those who feel they have been so blessed by the minister.
We can preach tithe and it stops but that will not stop the people from giving to ministers who have been a tremendous blessing to them.
That's just the bare truth. I am in a dilemna. I meet a minister who by divine help provides me with a guidance. I follow it and blessings pour in. It's only natural for me to give the Lord out of it and give the minister PERSONALLY.
Other highly sensitive issues abound that also seek our attention. Let's beware lest we chase mice while lions devour the land.
Shalom.

I am sorry bro, but your post should actually be directed to these pastors who preach about money and tithe every sunday. They are the ones talking about tithe everyday.

Secondly, these pastors are cajoling and coaxing the people to give them money. Many of them use manipulative tactics. They preach fear into the people and make them part with their money. If the pastors are sincere, they should preach the simple message of repentance and see how many people will give freely to them. Many of these tithes are brought in by people who have stolen and destroyed lives. It is abomination in God's house. Many of us here have been through it so we speak what we know first hand. I dont have to call the names of denominations, not because I am afraid of them, but because that is not the point. Almost all the denominations do it now. It is sad

Bidam: Good.Tithing is a form of giving same principle applies.Stop criticizing Christians who have a leading from the Holy Spirit to tithe.It is also not compulsory just like fasting. Abraham wasn't commanded by God to tithe yet he did. The rest of your post are your conviction stick to it let others stick to theirs.The way you are going about this issue you are actually replacing the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers. There is liberty in Christ .Tithing is NOT a sin.Not tithing is not a sin.God bless you.

1. First, tithing is not from giving. Tithing is tithing. Giving is giving. Tithing in the law is actually a compulsory tax. It is not voluntary. That is one reason why it cannot be practiced in the new testament. It is at variance with freewill giving.

2. There is no account that Abraham tithed regularly. There is no account he paid tithes from his personal earnings or his cattle or crops. In fact, when Jacob mentioned it, he gave God a condition that if God blessed him, he would give one tenth of his earnings. It was not the other way around. That means he wasn't tithing before then. That also means he was never instructed by Abraham or Isaac to tithe as an ordinance.

3. Deciding to give any percentage of your earnings to God is not a sin. That is your prerogative and in line with 1 Cor 9:6-7. But making a doctrine out of it in the new testament is wrong. Very wrong. Practicing tithe on the basis of Malachi 3:10 is wrong. The liberty in Christ is clear at I stated above. You can give some or all of your earnings to God and I never said you cant. But you cannot create a doctrine of it and demand people do it or loose God's approval or grace.

•We demand a re-ordering of the inchoate federal structure we are running with a view to allowing the states and the other federating units more access to resources to attend to the numerous responsibilities placed on them.

[size=14pt]Resource control now! No to parasites! No to leeches! No to free beer! Resource control forever!!![/size]

Bidam: Prayer yes. Can you show me where it was commanded for Christians to fast? The givings you are even criticizing was commanded by Paul in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. Even God did not command the Israelite to fast. It was just a way of reconciling themselves back to God.

1. I have never criticized givings. I have said clearly, there is no instruction for the new testament believer to tithe. Tithing is not for the new testament. Giving was not only instructed, the practice by the apostles was clearly mentioned.

2. There are two basic principles for establishing any doctrine in the new testament. It is either there is a clear instruction to do it or we see a mention that the apostles and disciples practiced it. Neither of these apply to tithing. It was never instructed and there is no mention of its practice by the apostles. But we saw mentions of how the apostles practiced fasting. Howbeit, fasting is not a compulsory action for a believer, but important in building and developing your spiritual life

There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving. You can even decide to give all your earnings. That is your prerogative. Some of the disciples sold their lands in the book of acts and brought the money to the apostles feet. But they were never cajoled or coaxed. It was completely of their free will. That is why Peter told Ananias's wife "was it not in your power to give or not to give?". In other words, did any body force you?

2 Corinthians 9:6-7 (New Living Translation)

6 Remember this—a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop. But the one who plants generously will get a generous crop. 7 You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. “For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.”[a]


2 Corinthians 9:6-7

English Standard Version (ESV)

6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7

King James Version (KJV)

6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Candour: Actually my bro, I've been asking them that question in bold since I joined this forum. They have no answer. Even their G.O's pray for their members to work for Dangote.

Kingdom principles ko, kingdom investment ni

This is what they are:

Revelations 3:

14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[f] write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[g] I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and Unclad— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your unclothedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”

ziccoit: Thinking resource control alone is the only solution to our problem is like thinking ingredients without pot and fire would provide soup on your table. We need a robust constitution that will enthrone a working system whereby every individual right is protected. A system which would be automatic in function so that whoever goes foul of its dictate would be made to face the consequences. We all know what each of the states are doing with their monthly allocations from the centre. Building a good society goes beyond resource control it has to do with establishment of a workable system by the people involved which is why I believe constitution of national conference is very germane to our current situations wherein resource control among various issues will be discussed.

Fowl! We need resource control, simple! Anything else is story! Maintain your boundry! I think these fake PDP and APC people will eventually box themselves to a corner. Imagine a corrupt man asking for a draconian anti corruption move. Who will be swept first?

Candour:

Haba Joagbaje, after opening a thread to do an exposition, this is all you can come up with?

Despite all the breakaways from the RCC, its still the biggest church in the world, but that doesn't mean its right or is it? answer that to yourself.

Those still being fleeced of their money in the name of tithes abound but the beauty is that many are coming to the knowledge of the truth that God expects freewill giving from them not a levitical percentage and they are blessed because of what Christ did, not what pastors say they should bring.

This thread you opened is proof of that.

God bless his word

Please let him tell us why tithes are not mentioned if they are kingdom principles like prayer and fasting. Prayer and fasting and other kingdom principles were clearly mentioned. Is he accusing God of forgetting to mention tithe?

Also, he said the results are very evident in their lives. Ask him if he is richer than Dangote that doesnt tithe? Or bill gates?

Alwaystrue: It is only by prayer, study and deep meditation with the help of the Holy Spirit that the light will be revealed.

This is the exact line that you use when you want to deceive people. You tell them there is a level of prayer and supernatural state they have to attain before they can understand what you understand. By doing that, you create a celebrity status for yourself and get them to see you as a medium and special passage way to God. It is called the doctrine of the nicolaitans! This is the method the catholic priest used to oppress the people and deceive them until martin Luther rose up by the spirit and pasted the 99 thesis on the door of the church and the Holy Spirit liberated the people.

OLAADEGBU: Forget about what people say and focus on what our Lord Jesus said. He said: "the labourer is worthy of his hire," Apostle Paul by inspiration said, "For the scripture says, You shall not muzzle the ox that treads out the corn. And, the labourer is worthy of his reward." The question should be; do you hear from God or men?

I didnt really feel the need to respond to this your post because it is incoherent. But this part got me laughing. It really shows how you think.

Tithe or money is not the reward for preaching God's word. If that is your hire as a laborer, then you are a hireling. If God sent you to preach the gospel, he will provide for you. No one owes it to you to pay you money for preaching God's word. Did they send you to do it? Why are you demanding a laborer's hire from them? This is very hilarious. You are now merchandizing the gospel. No wonder some of you pastors now charge money for prayers. Someone told me recently that he went somewhere and they told him it is N 15, 000 per prayer point! This is a very serious sin people are committing. Selling the gospel for a price.

Alwaystrue: @theoctopus,
take this as my conclusion of this matter with you.
ALL THE WORDS OF JESUS ARE GRACE AND TRUTH....HIS WORDS ARE LIFE. EVERY COMMAND/TEACHING HE GAVE in the GOSPELS ARE HIS LAWS AND COMMANDS. His Words were not His own but His Father's.

If you took time to look at the whole thread you would have understood. The New Commandment He gave is an addition and did not abolish the others.
And Jesus words were also from the law.

Love your neighbour as yourself.....Leviticus 19:18

If this your position is true then why dont you also practise the other parts of the law. If He did not abolish the law, then why dont you

1. Observe the sabbath

2. Sacrifice animals and crops

3. Why do you plant different crops in the same farm?

4. Why do you wear cotton and linen together?

5. Why do you not observe all the festivals

etc, etc, etc

Why do you abandon all these laws and more but choose only to obey tithing? Is it because it is a means to an end?

Do you know that if you default in one law, you have defaulted in all? Please I need an answer, thank you!

And most important of all. Why don't you practice the tithe the way the bible describes it. Why have you converted it into your own kind of tithing where you give it to a "man of God"?

Alwaystrue: @Bidam,
I think you should have realised by now that as long as some people see their 'New Testament' as starting from Acts of the Apostles, it is pointless discussing with them. They are claiming to be living in a 'new convenant without any laws and commands'.

Do you believe in the bible? If you do, why will say say some people "claim" their new testament begins from acts?

What is the new testament? The new testament is a new dispensation of God's relationship with man that came into operation after the ressurection of Jesus from the dead. Without Jesus dying and ressurecting, there will not a new testament. So it isnt a claim. It is God's word.

Hebrews 9:

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The word of God is very clear on this!

This is the commandment of the new covenant

John 13:34

King James Version (KJV)

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.


Matthew 22:36-40

New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

chy22: Who's name is or the bank note ? (bank or GOD)
What head is or the bank notes ? (humans or GOD)
Do you really think GOD needs those bank notes you call tithes?
Do you really think you can bribe GOD towards blessing you?
GOD knows what is best for you and will give it when you need it, is him can decide when you need it.
I believe GOD has noting to do with earthly materials and will never ask you for any pay,gift or ransom to bless you. All he wants is for you to love him as your creator.

God can provide material things for his Children and he does provide daily. But he will never demand a settlement before he does it

Bidam: And where is it written in your bible that God's tithe is a sin You see it is this kind of extreme hatred for God i am talking about.You and the other poster are actually guilty of adding to God's word

You are the one adding to God's word when you claim a new testament believer should pay tithes. Tithing was never commanded or instructed in the new testament. Not one place was it instructed. There is only one mention of tithe in the new testament in Hebrews 4 and it wasnt an instruction to tithe. It was simply a reference to Abraham tithing in relation to understanding the levitical priesthood and subsequently, the priesthood of Jesus. That priesthood of Jesus was transferred and conferred on every believer who becomes born again. Rev 5:10

If tithing was so important to the new testament believer, why was it never instructed to us. Or why was it never mentioned that the disciples and apostles tithed? How can such an important subject, according to you, never get mentioned. Every other important thing was mentioned, from breaking of bread to baptism to church leadership, but not tithing. You are the one adding it!

pickabeau1: Exactly the same reason why martin luther broke out from the catholic church


People using money to buy salvation

People don't even read the bible anymore - my pastor says etc bla bla bla

Giving was never supposed to be a scheme to get something from God. That would completely negate the message of grace. There are three parts to giving.

1. One is the principle of seed time and harvest. This is a universal law from God. If you sow anything/seed, it will produce.

2. Giving is also an act of worship to God in appreciation for who is is or what he has done for you.

3. Giving is God's method for providing for the needy

It was never meant as a demand from God before he can bless you. He told the Jews,

Psalms 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.

Psalms 50:8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.

Psalms 50:9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.

Psalms 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

Psalms 50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.

Psalms 50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.

Psalms 50:13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?

Psalms 50:14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:

Psalms 50:15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

A man who goes around bragging about what he has giving to God is ignorant and doesn't know God

OLAADEGBU: Rather, Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar = Tax

Give to God what belongs to God = Tithes.

Fixed.

Tithe started as land tax. Please go back and study very well. So if you want to go that path, then you should give tithe to the government. Actually, we do give tithe to the government in form of our tax. It was a practice that existed right after the flood. If you read the Jewish Torah, you will understand its origins. God instituted it in the law so the levites and others who didnt have should not be deprived. That is why tithing was for you, the widows, orphans, strangers as well as the levites. Read Deut 12 to 14. The purpose of tithe was to provide for the needy. The levites were included because they didnt have any inheritance. Tithes are not for those who have. It is not a means to enrich pastors or church leaders. Even if you are to give the tithe today, you will have to give it to the benevolence department for distribution to those who dont have. The present day preaching of tithe is totally self serving. That is why they have cooked up a "man of God" doctrine to put the people under bondage. They have taking the church back to the time of the catholic oppression where priests acted as mediators between God and men. They say when you give to a man of God, you get a reward. In fact, I heard them preach once, that different givings attracted different levels of reward and returns. Guess which kind of giving had the highest reward? Your guess is as good as mine! It is the giving to the "man of God".

This whole heresy and doctrines of devils started a long time ago. The whole false doctrine is founded on one supposedly innocent but terrible falsehood: that the man of God is a priest and the rest of the congregation are ordinary people who needed the men of God to access God! So he acts as a mediator between the people and God, just like the old testament. Everything goes through him. They even preach now that their destinies are tied to their man of God, thus negating their own salvation through Christ. Paul's calls it another gospel! But you know why the "men of God" can succeed? Because the people have itching ears. They want to hear a lie. They have refused to believe the truth so God sent them a delusion.

False prophets are God's judgement to those who have refused to believe the truth and seek the benefits of God without the ways of God! They want what God gives but reject who God is!

@Bidam

why do you sound like this. are you sure you are born again? you sound bitter and angry. you sound like some pastors who claim they cannot be challenged because they are GOD'S annointed. It is not right. it is not godly. there is no one in the church of our Lord Jesus that cannot be questioned or chastened. Even Paul chastised Peter when he derailed. please read your Bible and you will see God's word clearly. stop reading men's books alone. you will only form opinions from them that are outside God.

Revelations 3:

14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[f] write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[g] I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your unclothedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”

Matthew 6:

24 “No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Philippians 3

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

^^^

It is more blessed to give truly. But why is it only your congregation that gives and you do all the spending with big cars and mansions?

^^^

Luke 6:38 (King James Version)

38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

2 Peter 1:3

3 His divine power hath (has already) given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

God is not going to give us anything again. He has already given us all things. You need to understand the position of a believer in Christ Jesus. Be careful not to speak from a position of works

Bidam: Do they even give offerings? they always turn a blind eye whenever the plates is passed.

You should never talk like a scorner. Never display pride. It isn't about your big giving. If you glory in your big offerings, you are exactly like the pharisees and the bible says, you already have your reward of men. There are many people who don't give tithes but give a lot of money even more than 10 percent of their earnings and they are very prosperous. I don't give tithes and am very prosperous because I don't tie my prosperity to something I do. God never tied it to something I do, so why should I? Paul said in Galatians, why do you want to return to the bondage you were delivered from? What tithe did Adam give to get the garden of Eden? What tithe did the Israelis give to get all the provisions and health they enjoyed for 40 years in the wilderness? When you claim your tithe is what determines your prosperity, you have left grace into works and you are out of scriptures and out of line!

OLAADEGBU: They don't attack offerings because it gives them pleasure of giving as little as possible and remain a cheerful giver.

You have descended into human wisdom and left God. God's ways are not based on sentiments and good feeling. God does not meander to the crowd. Where in the bible have you seen God following the crowd? So you think you are right because you give big money? You think it impresses God when you give big tithes? You speak as a man devoid of spiritual knowledge. It is folks like you Jesus chided when he stood over the offerings and declared the poor widow was the best giver. Folks like you measure giving by the amount given. Such carnal disposition.

You need to go back to God's word and follow it, not your sentiments and good feeling. If the bible says tithe is right, then it is right. If it says it isn't right, then it isn't right. It doesn't matter whether someone gives small or big. It makes no difference. There are many unbelievers that give a lot, but that does not mean God approves them. You have just shown with your series of post that it is about your ego, not God. That is why some churches give medals to the highest givers as if they can actually determine the highest givers. If a man gives 50 million from his 5 billion and another man give 500 naira from his 550 naira, who do you think is the highest giver of the 2? According to some of your churches, it is the guy who gave 50 million. Why? Because they reason like men. Giving is a universal principle that will work even for unbelievers. Seed time and harvest is a universal principle that will work for both believers and unbelievers. The top 10 richest men in the world are unbelievers and they do not tithe. So your teachings that tithing determines prosperity is false. If you apply the laws of money and business, you will be prosperous. But that doesn't mean God approves you. It is sad that many believers have backsliden with this false materialism messages you folks are preaching. You are spreading a gospel of mammon. The very thing our Lord Jesus warned us about. You are worshiping money. Money is all you talk about all day. Go and read Revelations chapter 1 to chapter 3. You will see our Lord Jesus message to his church. It is a serious message. a call to repentance. Christ is coming soon. Stop this money worship. Search your hearts and be ready.

Demdem: he was my governor then and i can authoritatively tell u that he had none. He failed miserable in the midst of plenty and abundance.
Money was constantly shared for his cronies and that to him is good governance.

A bloody liar as usual. You do not have the capacity to tell the truth!

kingoflag: No disrespect, but Im starting to think your Dad was one of those jailed for corruption or executed for Drug trafficking during Buhari's short reign.

Am I right?

Dr Ambrose Alli and Tai Solarin were amongst those jailed. Were those corrupt men? Buhari is paying for his past sins not doubt! Buhari never fought corruption. He wanted to perpetuate a president for life African style government but got found out! He attacked everyone who criticized him and violated their rights like a typical Islamist ruler. I woudlnt expect you to know though because you are obviously a kid. Please go ask your uncle or someone older in your village

plaindealer: Tribe or no tribe, they obviously don't fancy corrupt, mediocre and incompetent company...

You described the 3 govs aptly with the bolded! Thumbs up!

clitah: What a shame that Naija is celebrating it's. 53rd independence anniversary in darkness.
Comments pls.

I had power from morning to evening. They just took the light around 8pm this evening. Dont know what you are talking about

idnoble135: No. And it was not paid to Jesus.
At that moment, the earthly priests were still valid because Christ had not yet die.
No. That statement applied then because of the law.
All of it is no.
Jesus also never asked anyone to give him anything. Does that mean also that giving is irrelevant?
The israelites paid tithe according to how they were blessed. They tithed farm produce because the blessing was mainly farm produce.

This is so wrong. It shows some of you dont read your bible. Deut 14:12-26 clearly shows that tithe was about food. The tithe was for taking care of the priests, levites, widows, orphans and strangers as well as celebrating God with your family. It was never about money because money existed then just like now. Money existed as far back as the time of Abraham

4C2215131: The scriptural refrences to the issue would take some time in unraveling and as such should anyone care to raise a point based on scriptural exegesis and not allusions,conjectures,or 'gut-feeling',please feel free to post such,then we can take it from there.
BTW I see little reason for all the tithe drama.It's a doctrine,and christian organisations have always and will always differ in doctrine. As long as said doctrines are not in variance with revealed scriptural doctrines (read: cardinal evangelical doctrines and themes) I see no reason to sweat the issue.

The problem with discussing on an online forum as this is that you have to be sure you are actually discussing with Christians who believe in the total authority of the bible and not some church members trying to push their church doctrine. If you are born again and truly believe in the authority of God's Word, then we can really discuss.

There are doctrinal differences among Christians, but there are basic doctrines that completely determine if we can even discuss or not. If for example, you do not believe in the saving grace of our Lord Jesus, then we have no basis of discussion and you cannot term out differences, doctrinal. The problem with the teaching of tithe is that it isnt just a doctrinal difference. It is a doctrine that seeks to negate the principles of salvation. Now, they even preach that tithers wont make heaven. Very terrible heresy going on. When you quote Malachi 3:10 and say a new testament Christian is cursed when he doesnt pay tithe, you negate the work of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is heresy. It is doctrines of devils. When you say that a man gets blessed because of his tithing, you negate the work of Jesus Christ and the principles of salvation. Even in the old testament, their prosperity was not based on their tithing. The Israelites never paid tithes until they reached the promised land. The paying of tithes was tied to the farminf and havesting in the promised land. They received complete provision and care from God for 40 years in the wilderness without paying a single tithe. They lived in total health and wellness for 40 years without paying tithe. God has never tied his blessing to tithing. He didnt do it in Genesis or Exodus so why would he do it in Malachi. Malachi was written to chide the Jews for backsliding and wasnt just about tithe. The problem of tithe in Malachi arose because the levites and priests had to abandon the temple to go farm and get food for their families. Tithing was never money. It was food crops and animals. Deut 14:22-26 shows that clearly. It was an offering to God and not just something to be given to levites and priests. So much has been twisted about tithing today because the proponents are using it for their won agenda

OLAADEGBU: (Acts 24:17).

Paul collected offerings for the Jerusalem church but it seems the anti tithers have a phobia for the words offerings, just as they detest the word tithe. There must be something in the tithe that makes the devil fight it this hard.

There is nothing like anti tithers. It isnt about what people think. The word of God does not command us to tithe. If tithing was important in the new testament, it would have been commanded. Every ordinance that was important was instructed. Breaking of bread, baptism, ordaining of pastors and deacons, etc. Tithing was never instituted or instructed once in the new testament. It was only mentioned in Hebrews 4 where Paul was teaching about the priesthood of our Lord Jesus. He used the Abraham incidence to explain priesthood of Jesus. He never said we should tithe or did he mention that he also tithed. There is no instruction to tithe so why make it up? Why are you adding to God's Word? It is a serious sin. See revelations 22

Alwaystrue: ^^^^^^
I did not come here to preach. I came here to back the belief on why I tithe and give offerings based on the word of God. And this does not affect my ofther givings in any way.
It was not me that said Malachi 3:8, so why are you feeling threatened? I am not God that said He was robbed in TITHES AND OFFERINGS but based on His word I follow it and this was further confirmed by Jesus and Paul. Simple.
No need to be afraid in your belief. I am not afraid in mine, I have the sure word.
Thanks.

Feel threatened ke? You are funny.

Was Malachi 3:10 written to you? Are you a Jew? Even the Jews dont tithe today because they know clearly that you cannot tithe outside of the Levitical priesthood. The congregation tithed to theLevites, and the Levites tithed to the priests. Is your pastor a high priest? Is he a mediator between God and men? Are you not a priest. Are you aware that priests dont tithe?

The sad part about those preaching tithing is that they dont even preach tithing as the bible prescribes. They preach their own version of tithing. Here is the bible's old testament tithing.

Deut 14

22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

Alwaystrue: @theoctopus
In both lights that Jesus castigated those tithing I hope yoiu noted He gave reasons why?

Also did you notice for instance one said he fast twice a week, yet we also know Jesus said 'This goesth not out but by fasting and prayer' so was he castigating fasting there?

In the other He said they were tithing and neglecting the weigtheir aspects of the law....but did you see what He concluded with....He said they should do both (loving, justice, mercy, tithing) and I hope you know tithing was not done only by the Pharisees? In that place there was even a multitude.

Jesus told the Pharisee Nicodemus He must be born again and also fo water and spirit.....He did not say those same things to His disciples...All we mentioned was that there was a reason behind all this and Jesus THOUGHT. HIS WORDS ARE LIFE. It is the message we passed across.


Paul spoke about tithes and offerings in I Corinthians 9:13-14 and the reason you see it was because THEY WERE EXAMINING HIM in I Corinthians 9:3....Same way people here have been calling names on what they do not believe. He said in Verse 15, He decided not to take the right SO NO MAN WILL MAKE HIS GLORYING VOID. The same kind of haters evidences on this thread is the same type that were EXAMINING HIM then. But he took offerings He called a sacrifice and sweet savour in Philipians 4:18-19. And He admonished people to give to those that teach them in ALL things. He decided to let it go....And that is why you did not see it mentioned again.

The Jerusalem Christians actually gave 100%, sold their lands, houses and brough tot the apostles feet for sharing to all who have need but just 10% is generating so much frm supposed Christians who claim we should give our 100% to God.

If you justtake time and read the thread, you will understand this questions have been answered in detail.
Thank you.

I am sorry but you seem to be interpreting the Word of God to suit your purpose. Why are you trying to explain God's word to fit your doctrine? It is self explanatory. It is only when a man is trying to create a wrong doctrine out of it that he starts to create meanings which are not there. Jesus was very clear, He called tithing a lesser matter of the law and said the pharisees ought to do the weightier matters along with tithing. He said that because they were still in the old testament. They were still under the law. The law of Moses ended with the death and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus himself lived in the old testament. He was speaking to old testament people. These things are so simple and clear, you need help to actually misunderstand it. Jesus performed old testament offering of animals along with the Jews. But after he resurrected, all that stopped. The veil of the temple was split in two and a new testament was ushered in. Praise God. Gal 3:13 declares that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us! If you preach that a new testament believer is cursed because he didn't give his tithe, you are trying to negate salvation.