raumdeuter:


A random league game is what we will compare to a world cup final vs Messi Aguero and Higuain? who were Liverpools strikers that day

Lol, did you forget I mentioned Puyol, Cannavaro, Desailly, Thuram, Ramos and VVD himself in WC and UCL matches? Why cherrypick on only the outlier when it does not alter the point being made?

raumdeuter:


Which one of those games vs Madrid did Nesta have this masterclass

Ramos scored an equalizer vs Atletico who didn't disturb Madrid defence since Diego Costa was out injured

Plus some games that few people remember what game was that Ferdinand vs Liverpool

I've clarified that its Maldini not Nesta, same 1-0 game.

The Man Utd game, they beat Liverpool 3-0 at old trafford. Google it.

raumdeuter:


You mean this game where Nesta was not even in the matchday squad was where you saw him bully Galacticos? was he bullying them in their sleep?

If you have to add falsehood to support arguments then ...

This is the game where Sheva scored from a Rui Costa assist, Point to Nesta in the team sheet

Ok your correction is noted. But note I made my point from my memory of seeing the match a long while ago and I recalled Milan's main defender snuffing out Madrid's attack time and time again. Obviously, it was Maldini not Nesta, my bad but my point still stands even if its Maldini that bossed Madrid. They played each other up to 3 times that season some of which included Nesta.

raumdeuter:


The 1998 final where the main Brazilian attacker Ronaldo was sick before the game?

All these images are not defensive actions? This was the consensus of what people who watched the game had to say. I can even bring posts from Nairaland on that day

Brazil played with considerable threat even with a half fit Ronaldo. They had other great players in their ranks.

I didnt say Boateng did not defend well but Argentina's attack didnt really stretch him. Messi, Higuain and co were not in sync. It was not a masterclass from him. In fact what people mostly remember from that final are Higuain's misses, Gotze's winner and the overall dull attacking play. Many people dont even know Boayeng was MoM which is why I say that's not a stand out part of the game.

If you mention Milan vs Man Utd 2007, one automatically remembers Gattuso's exploits. Same as Ramos vs Atletico and VVD vs Bayern. The Boateng performance vs Argentina does not have the same feel on the memory.

raumdeuter:


Which game was this Nesta vs Real Madrid 2003 CL group stage, I can't remember it, Can you tell me the scoreline or the date of the game so I can recall what he really did on this day

Milan won 1-0 at San Siro with Rui Costa assisting Shevy beautifully for the only goal.

Nesta bullied all the galacticos, Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane and came out stainless.

raumdeuter:


What memorable performance goes beyond world cup final. this is a reminder of some of the actions on that final day. A final where he faced Higuain, Aguero Messo

Argentina's attack put in a poor performance that match, especially higuain. There was no memorable defensive performance by any player in that final as both team's attack played below par.

It was a case of we have to give someone the MoM and obviously from the winning team and since the attackers were not great, a defender gets it.

A defensive masterclass in a WC final would be France's Desailly and Thuram against Brazil in France 98. They were exposed to real terrorists but dealt with them defensively in outstanding fashion.

I repeat, Boateng has no high profile defensive masterclass known to man.

raumdeuter:


If he is pointing thats why he wont achieve things and win trophies that players like Boateng won in their career. How is Liverpool is doing good because their attack are delivering. Their defence concede regularly even against that decrepit man Utd in the FA cup they conceded 4 goals. The Liverpool midfield has been boosted so their defence gets less action than before not because of VVD pointing activities

Let Edmilson and Kleberson also win the treble and lets see how they fare

So Kovacs Bayern is VVD high point while Boateng will point to a world cup final the biggest game in football where he was undisputed boss of the day which VVD will never play because he points

Strange, Boateng winning the MoM was due to lack of a stand out performer in both teams on that day. His saving grace was Higuain forgetting his shooting boots that match. I am talking of a memorable defensive masterclass, like:

: Puyol vs Germany WC 2010
: Ramos vs Atletico UCL final
: Gattuso vs Man Utd 2007
: Cannavaro vs Germany WC 2006
: Nesta vs Real Madrid 2003 group stage
: Ferdinand vs Liverpool 2006
: VVD vs Bayern 2019

It's not like AC Milan with prime Nesta and Maldini were not conceding goals at all. But they always gave the team's attackers the confidence to go on and win when it mattered.

raumdeuter:


Effectiveness in that these great defenders do the work themselves and throw themselves into tackles

Or effectiveness in pointing others to do the work and you flee from the hardwork.

VVD all through his career has been known to run away from dangerous situations while pushing others to do it for him because he knows once he attempts he fails

We saw how in the CL final he was trying to avoid Valverde until that one disgraced him

You are claiming 2018 to 2021 when it was in October 2020 he was getting disgraced by Aston Villa and they lost 7-2 in one game

The results at Liverpool is as a result of Klopps style where he presses high neutralized all attacks and the defence mops up. When it gets to dangerous 1v1 situation it's Konate and Matip who go for those while VVD points. I have seen Klopp for over 15yrs and he achieved the same thing with below average defenders like Hummels Matip and Subotic

VVD is a product of hype. We saw how he avoided Sissoko who shot off target and was hailed for making Sisoko shoot off target, when you start seeing intangibles like leadership, communication used to praise a defender know that he is just forming activity

Everyone who has played ball before would have encountered one defender thatbwill benforming seniorman for field wey no fit play and whose job will be to shout and point to others to do their jobs

Boateng cannot be in VVD level when Boateng won 2 trebles and a world cup. He won a CL and world cup by age 25 as a starter in those defence. What has VVD done close to that at his current age?

Pointing will always show up in big games when everyone is busy doing work and marking opponents and no one has time to be protecting a traffic warden defender. Similar to Thiago Silva

As much as I don't like John Terry, I can say he is not a pointing defender he does the hard work

Chief I beg to differ. In fact let VVD be Pontius Pilate using others to cover up, as long as it makes his team concede less and win trophies, then he is not hype. He has simply mastered the art of defensive coordination.

When his pointer wasnt working in 2022/2023 and he started being dribbled around frequently, Liverpool faltered massively. Now he has started to point again and Liverpool's getting the points as title favorites after winning yet another trophy. Is this a coincidence?

All great defenders have their embarrassing low moments. You've mentioned VVD's but dont forget Torres destroying Vidic at Old trafford in 2007, Walcott embarrassing Maldini, Henry turning Nesta in ridiculous circles in Euro 2000 final, Ik Uche destroying Cannavaro and of course Boateng's several shitty moments with Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo etc

Per VVD vs Boateng, no point (no pun intended). Kleberson, Edmilson them sef win World cup with Brazil in 2002 but you cannot even compare their defensive standing with Ferdinand, Thiago Silva & Vidic wey no get WC.

Didnt VVD almost singlehandedly dump out Bayern and Boateng with a goal and assist in 2019 UCL, pls show me one high profile match where Boateng was the undisputed boss of the day either for Germany or Bayern. I'm truly waiting to learn.

raumdeuter:


What type of mental problems made Vidic to do this

You actually have a point which is that there've been great defenders known not to shy away from robust challenges.

But there is something you are missing: Effectiveness.

At the end of it all, the hallmark of a great defender is how well he's able to prevent opponents from scoring or creating dangerous situations. It is not necessary that all great defenders have to employ the same style so long as whatever style they adopt is effective.

And it isn't a matter of argument that VVD was the EPL's most effective defender between 2018 - 2021. He had some 2-year downtime afterwards due to injury but has come back strongly since 2023 and the results for Liverpool are there for all to see.

It doesn't matter that VVD avoids lunging into tackles while Vidic and Nesta are tackling warriors. At the end of the day, they are all elite defenders that have helped their teams challenge and win league and UCL titles. What more evidence do you require?

No be only one road enter market.

Btw, Boateng no dey VVD's level.

popizaino:


Saka and Palmer can never be in the same category in any rating. You can't compare sleep to death. Saka is above which makes him a worldclass. I don't see any team Saka won't slut in perfectly. Be it real madrid,man city he will be guaranteed a starting shirt. Same can't be said of Cole Palmer.

Being in a very good player category is a spectrum. So one can be better than the other and still be in the same class.

That said, Saka is above Palmer based on pedigree but not form. He has been putting in very good stats for the past 4 years while this is Cole's first year in the limelight.

But is Saka world class? Not yet. He needs to demonstrate more consistent quality in the big games to enter that bracket.

Is Palmer world class? Way too early to say so. For now, he's just a Kudus that takes more penalties.

If he delivers this current level for the next 4-5 years, then he'll be WC.

Seun:

The value of the complex is $100m. Can the Lagos state govt pay that much to him?

From the notice given to him, they are not demolishing the entire property but only 50metres of it. But whether the 50metre is from the waterfront or entrance, I'm not sure.

Paul is a very sound businessman. I'm sure he'll pull through and probably make something better off from this saga.

The 7 day notice is quite absurd though. I'm sure it wont fly.

oliverano:


A world class player available for 50m If we have, money perfect.

He's better than Nico even on the wings. I'll take him over Nico. But nah just normal Bilva to Barcelona news wey dey happen every summer.

He's not coming!

Yeah, this story happens every season end, until it happens (I wish ).

andrewbaba44:


Bernardo Silva finished player ?

Dem suppose catch you tie you rope and beat you like a bush goat .

You dey mind am... some people are better left alone

oliverano:


Players like Carrick, Busquet, Jorginho are not always rated highly by fans but by their team mates and managers.

Jorginho has declined no doubt but he was a world class player by all metric. You don't win Euros, UCL, UEFA best player and finish 3rd in balondor by luck, never!!!

I think Pep wanted him to be his DM at a point but that's not really where I'm driving at...

My point is this, the fact that those playing with him, coaching him and the UEFA technical team suggest he was the best at a point, then he did alot right.

Is he currently world class? No. Was he world class definitely yes!!!

You don't get all those accolades by luck at this level!

Hmm I'll beg to differ on Jorginho.

At best he was a very good player. A single stellar season does not make you world class. Even in the so-called stellar season, no one who watched Jorgi during the Chelsea UCL and Italy Euro campaign thought in real time that they were watching a potential world best player. It was more of an afterthought at season end that wait a minute, Jorginho is a common factor in both winning campaigns so he must be so, so and so. And after that season, he never truly won fans hearts with his displays both in club and country.

For context, Victor Osimhen is not considered world class despite a stellar last season. David Beckham despite ending up on the world best podium on 2 occasions was considered not world-class by Fergie (though I disagree personally cos Beckham was one of the most impactful midfielders in the world between 98/99 to March 2002 when that Deportivo player broke his leg) but this is just to illustrate that just being very good doesnt automatically make you world class.

To be world class is to show consistently high levels of quality both on the easy and toughest stages over a long time regardless of trophies (although they are an added advantage). This is why Harry Kane and Son are considered World class.

We have world class talents from young ages though, like Owen, Rooney, Pato, Robinho, Bellingham, Neymar, Mbappe, Rice, Mikel Obi. Not all of them went on to seal their world class status though. Foden has world class talent, however time will tell whether he progresses this into a bona-fide world beater. Personally, I think he's almost there and by next season if he replicates this level, his world class status will not be in doubt.

Saka is still not yet world class. Same as Palmer and Rodrygo. They are just very good players.

COMPAQ:


Clearly not. Most people don't read the actual article the headline is based on and rush to make comments. I must confess I have done so a few times myself.

Well, I find it very embarrassing for someone to go on a tirade based on self-inflicted false assumptions.

If you want to criticize, then at least read about your target.

Acidosis:

Supply petrol May to dealers at N1,225/litre? 😭😭

He hasn't even supplied the crazily expensive diesel and people are already jubilating? Ahhhh!

What's the idea behind the "humiliating" comments on this thread? I don't get it. Do you people think that you and your households will still be able to afford the pump price?

One reason the country remains backward is because of the number of people waiting to celebrate stup!dity.

Where did you see in the report that petrol will be supplied at N1225/litre? And also where did you see them state that diesel is yet to be supplied by Dangote?

Are you sure you read the report at all?

Reading somewhere that Barca can sign Bernado Silva for 50m Euros by end of season based on a clause in his contract. Andrewbaba44, Oliverano would you take this over Nico?

Nesman25:
Offhand is correct

No it isnt. Check well the meaning in the shots you shared.

Offhand means unplanned, to do something on-the-spot, without preparation. But usually when we Nigerians use offhand, we mean to do something by memory alone without looking at a book e.g to recite a song without looking at the lyrics. However, this is not the same as unplanned as you are already prepared in your mind to do it mostly after having read the subject.

The correct term to use for saying something without reading from a book or phone is "by heart", it doesn't mean you didn't prepare for it. But if someone poses a question to you suddenly and you answer on the spot, then you have responded "offhand".

FatherOfJesus:
I have been able to disprove you that you can build a Dam few kilometers before a deltaic mouth. We have such dams not one or 2 around the world.

The only straw you can hold on to now is cost and this is only the aspect I can gree with you. You know nothing about the topography of niger river from ontisha to Bayelsa, not a lot of people in Nigeria know about it. So your topography argument is baseless. One would require a research team to study if such project is to be initated.

Th idea that only the gorgeels kind of topography can even contain a dam is nonsense.

If you are ignorant then it's limited to you. Not me or others who are already aware. Topography of regions has been available for ages. You are not aware of cartographic maps, remote sensing images and you cover your ignorance with a general assumption of ignorance.

Below is the landscape of the Niger at Onitsha. It's obvious that it's a flat plain topography.

Saying you don't need a gorge or deep valley to build a dam at an efficient cost is just ridiculous. It's like saying you don't need land to build a non-mobile house. Do you know the large scale of communities around Onitsha that would be wiped out by submersion from erecting a dam there?

I see that you just want to argue and seems to repel any semblance of common sense. Please go ahead with your fallacies, at least I have put in a decent time of educating you. Won't reply again.

FatherOfJesus:
All your comments are assumption, the only thing that makes sense here is the cost.

You are assuming that it has to be like Gorges kind of topography to make a dam, that is wrong. And secondly you don't know jack about the topography of river Niger from Onitsha to Bayelsa, you are only assuming.

Assuming what has already been mapped for over a century? Do we assume Nigerias borders as well? Guy you must be a joke!

FatherOfJesus:
The hoover dam in the Colorado River, is 50km away from the ocean. That's practically very close to the deltaic mouth.

I don't know where you guys get all these rubbish. Technology has gone far. The Colorado give us a first class river.

The only rubbish here is your poor analytical displays.

Hoover dam is practically built in between canyons which hold the dam wall tightly. Please tell me where you can find that kind of structure/topography on the Niger from Onitsha downwards.

You are just picking up foreign examples without situating it within the context of River Niger's realities.

FatherOfJesus:


One example of a dam that is very close to the sea is the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in China. The Three Gorges Dam is located only 150 km (90 miles) from the East China Sea. While the dam has provided many benefits, such as hydropower and flood control, it has also caused significant environmental and social problems, including habitat loss, erosion, and displacement of people living along the river.

Just to burst your bubbles, Yangtze river has 6 times thr flow rate of River Niger.150km is just like a distance from Lagos to Ibadan.

It means that you are capping.
The gorges dam is the biggest dam in with world

It baffles me how you stubbornly ignored the technicalities of my comment just to appear correct.

You said 3 gorges dam. I already said for there to be a dam, there has to be a gorgelike topography which is typically not found in the lower course of a river. It's a rarity that Yangzte river has gorges just 150km from its mouth. But the river Niger does not have that luxury, so.where would the dam be sited? If anything your post just proves me.right.

You also failed to mention that the so called 3 gorges dam cost over 31billion usd as far back as 2005 which would be equivalent to more than 50billion usd in today's terms.

Pray tell how you expect to expend way.more than Nigeria's entire reported reserves on a single dam. Does this make financial sense to you?

FatherOfJesus:
You are asking questions like someone with poor geographical knowledge of Nigeria.

There's nothing like river mouth, it's called Delta. And river Nile has more volume of discharge than River Niger and it is still affected by dams.

Sorry to jump in as I couldnt resist because this is a geographical issue. You are not getting the point of the person you quoted.

It's almost impossible to dam a first class river near its mouth I.e at the delta where it's already kilometres wide and where the flood plain topography is not dam-friendly.

All the examples you gave: Colorado, Aswani on the Nile are all dams at the upper or middle course where there are gorges that are conducive for damming. There has to be some sort of high ground on both sides of the river that will hold the dam.

At the Onitsha point where it has almost reached the Atlantic and with the flat topography, damming the Niger will be ludicrous as the costs required (that's if its possible) will be unprecedented and economically senseless.

oliverano:


Hmmm, Enzo and Caicedo were valued 15m and 12m respectively before moving to Chelsea. We all know how much they went for.

Transfermarket valuation nah online noise. Selling clubs don't give a sh!!t.

Kudos is 80m plus if he's to leave Westham today. Westham paid almost 50m for him.

When they knew a money miss road club was coming, they'd definitely jack up the price. Kudus cant be more than 60m at most. He isnt English.

andrewbaba44:


West game got kudus for 44M euros ,they will never sell him below 70M euros

Transfermkt lists him at 50m. Other valuation sources put him between 35-45m currently, but I'd like to think he'd be a bit higher than that.

Awadi:


All this wouldn't be a problem if guler didn't play a curve ball on us

Nico will just increase our number of big chances missed

Yeah true. Nico simply isnt Barca quality. He's just another Adama.

Na so his brother dey disturb wella too for years, yet lacking an actual football brain.

andrewbaba44:


Kudos is more expensive than Nico

Yes but by not much. Kudus should be still be around 50-55m range. W-ham bought him for 42m and his stock hasn't exactly risen astronomically since.

Okay we buy Nico, he flashes, disturbs and all that but final product lacking like a Doku at City, then it's the Dembouz PTSD era all over again. Okay maybe he's cheap, but what's the point if he isnt guaranteed to raise the team's overall effectiveness.

At almost 22, if you ain't got it already, then it's difficult to be it.

So why not go for a shorter term guaranteed effectiveness for say 2 years while we scout for the next Neymar?

andrewbaba44:


Trossard una

He is better than Bailey

Only kudus here makes sense but kudos is a RW when not playing AM

I mentioned Trossard because he'd probably be available for 35 - 40million.

Bailey appears to be a better decision maker in the final third.

Kudus is versatile.

What about Son?

oliverano:


I think that If we miss out on Nico and for 50m, we'll have ourselves to blame unless we're counting on Fati.

Felix is not Barca quality and he's on loan, Ferran is so so, Fati struggling at Brighton, Raphinha is unable to take on a cone even though he's doing better statistically. Let's not forget that Raphinha could be sold if need be.

Meanwhile, I'll like you to name wingers that could join Barca and are affordable. Remember that Leao is on ONE(1) league goal in SIX(6) months and will go for like 80 or 100m while Kvara is the definition of a one season wonder. He too will be super expensive.

We need a winger on the left. Pls highlight at most 3 wingers we could afford who are currently doing better than Williams jnr or are actual world beaters!

We cant count on Fati, but with 50-60million why cant we consider a Kudus or Leon Bailey and while a Son and Trossard can go for 30 - 40million due to age. But at least results will be guaranteed.

Awadi:


You not wrong that Nico if you watch him well you will see the only reason they considering him is because he is cheap

All the cheap young players like him we have bought recently which one have actually helped

Raphinha nothing Eric Gracia nothing delay nothing although Ferran is picking form now but

I dought any good will come out from that Nico
He will just increase our big chances created per game

He'd probably be like a Doku at Man city, all razzidazzles with not much bite.

andrewbaba44:


Tell me winger wey you want since you don’t prefer Nico due to his stats at age 21

Well, I admit his age makes him an attractive prospect.

But I think players like Kudus, Son & even Trossard for lesser fees will produce better output. Leon Bailey is another option. Karim Adeyemi needs a confidence booster and a switch might do him good.

andrewbaba44:


Na so una talk for Vinicius ooo

Speed inshallah and no end produce including me ,but how far today ?

I will rather have Nico Williams for 50M than overpay 100M for inconsistent wingers like leao kvara

Nico Williams creates chances for a living man ,he can only gets better in a top club like Barca

Andre I see your point, but how can he be anything different from Dembele at his best? I feel that at 22, a promising top player should have already gotten their acts together in terms of technique and impact.

At 22 you could already see that players like Robben, Raul, Eto, Henry, XavIniesta, Fabregas, Mbappe, Suarez, Rooney, Owen, Aguero, or if we come below this level Vinicius, Pedri, Musiala, Saka, Foden, were already or going to be world beaters.

All these 6 goals and 12 assists for an attacker wanting to go to Barca isnt really impressive to me which has exactly been my grouse with Barca's capture of Raphina. A top level winger should be posting not less than 25 - 30 G/A a season.

At best, he can come in as a placeholder but I doubt he can mature into a worldbeater. Who knows I may be wrong though.