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HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:37pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:
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Meaning we should now expose everyone to the virus abi?

It doesn't cost anything to produce mask. If we could produce clothes for the entire nation, we can also do the same for masks.

We mustn't produce surgical masks for everyone. We can reserve that for the frontline workers and produce non-surgical masks for the populace.

It will reduce the spread of the virus and it is better than leaving everyone vulnerable.
we Can’t sustain constant mask production. Leave it for health workers

Just wash your hand with soap constantly.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:36pm On Apr 22, 2020
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PoliteActivist:
I wonder why people like u can't think beyond official pronouncements. Here's what WHO said:
1) sick people should wear masks to avoid spreading
2) but we concede people who are not sick can also spread the virus

How on earth can the logical conclusion be:
3) therefore the best way is for only sick people to wear masks.
Also how about the stigma of telling everyone u r sick by wearing a mask?
Clearly, only one logical solution:
EVERYBODY WEARS MASKS!!!
The below is from the same article u quoted[/s]
Are you daft or something?

Did you just read that mask policy is a dead sentence? Why can’t we just think in Nigeria?
Does your village have factories to produce mask for everyone constantly?

Stupid people just want to wear mask for protection, wise people will strategize within limited resources for our collective benefit.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:09pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:
Which stupid research?

The only study I am interested in is the one that states global mask wearing will reduce the spread to 1.5%

That is over 98.5% prevention rate.
it will reduce it if the masks will be available. It won’t be available and you will put health workers at risk.

Read the research, learn how to read.

The highest producers of face mask couldn’t even sustain the face mask policy.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:05pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:
I thought I was dealing with a human.

Fvck off please.

We shall defeat Corona virus to the utter shame of it's sympathizers
shut up and read yourself out of ignorance.

Read the research link that was shared. Learn how to read
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:03pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:
so we should stop using the mask abi?

You guys need help.
Yes, compulsory fave mask policy is the height of stupidity for a country than can’t produce anything. Even China with 50% global face makes production capacity has problems with that policy. They had to restrict it to endemic areas, not to talk of Nigeria.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:02pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:
so we should stop using the mask abi?

You guys need help.
That’s the link to assess the full study
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2589-5370%2820%2930073-0

Go through the study. It will educate you.

Face mask policy for all will cause more harm than good. Bye
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:02pm On Apr 22, 2020
ChristianNorth:
You fullish sha.

Standardized mask? You need help. Any moisture absorbent mask can do.

Even if the mask reduces the spread by 0.000000001%, it is something.
is not something. Standard is standard, don’t bring Nigerian mentality of compromising standard into it.

It has to be able to filter viruses or it’s nothing.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 12:30pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:
WHO gave a STUPID reason why masks should not be worn. Instead of thinking for yourself and realizing that the reason is stupid, u r stuck on what WHO said! EVEN JUST CLOTH RETARDS SPREAD OF THE VIRUS! Get that into your thick skull!! Also, has cost or scarcity ever been a consideration in mandating use of a life saving item - why are children's car seats mandated, why are bike helmets mandated, etc.??

HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 12:20pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:
WHO gave a STUPID reason why masks should not be worn. Instead of thinking for yourself and realizing that the reason is stupid, u r stuck on what WHO said! EVEN JUST CLOTH RETARDS SPREAD OF THE VIRUS! Get that into your thick skull!! Also, has cost or scarcity ever been a consideration in mandating use of a life saving item - why are children's car seats mandated, why are bike helmets mandated, etc.??
Even China that produces 50% of all global face mask had face mask shortage and didn’t employ compulsory face mask policy across the board.

W.H.O knows what they are saying, just wash your hand frequently and use hand sanitizers. Face mask usage is not sustainable and can cause more harm. Leave for those who need it most: the health workers and suck people
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 12:13pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:
WHO gave a STUPID reason why masks should not be worn. Instead of thinking for yourself and realizing that the reason is stupid, u r stuck on what WHO said! EVEN JUST CLOTH RETARDS SPREAD OF THE VIRUS! Get that into your thick skull!! Also, has cost or scarcity ever been a consideration in mandating use of a life saving item - why are children's car seats mandated, why are bike helmets mandated, etc.??
WHO is not stupid, WHO knows that mask will become starce and people will start making substandard ones. Who also knows that making mask inaccessible for health workers will spell doom for everyone. WHO knows that it won’t work on a long term basis.

America that has made mask compulsory, they still top every other country in terms of prevalence. It goes beyond just telling everyone to use mask. It doesn’t work that way.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 12:03pm On Apr 22, 2020
ThinkFreely:
The problem is how do you ensure that everyone wears the mask and it doesn’t cause negative economic effect. How do you make sure mask is available at all times and never gets scarce? We don’t produce standard mask in Nigeria yet. A mask that can’t resist fluid and filter virus is dead on arrival cos asymptomatic people who will use this will still infect people.
Nobody is arguing that the mask will not help, can we make it available so demand don’t exceed supply?
That’s the bone of contention here. Understand my post before commenting.
politeactivist here is the edited reply.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 12:01pm On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:
R u sick in the head or something?? It says right there that people who are presymptomatic and asymptomatic spread the virus - people who don't even know they have it. Seems u have WHO in the brain - same WHO that said travel bans would only spread the virus faster, same WHO that said there was no human to human transmission. R u ok sir?
i edited reply already, go back. Your browser is slow
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 11:33am On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:
Read the below then ask yourself why we are told cover our mouth when we sneeze
The problem is how do you ensure that everyone wears the mask and it doesn’t cause negative economic effect. How do you make sure mask is available at all times and never gets scarce? We don’t produce standard mask in Nigeria yet. A mask that can’t resist fluid and filter virus is dead on arrival cos asymptomatic people who will use this will still infect people.
Nobody is arguing that the mask will not help, can we make it available so demand don’t exceed supply?
That’s the bone of contention here. Understand my post before commenting.
Christianity EtcRe: Lessons From Covid-19 With Daddy Freeze And Goshen360 by ThinkFreely: 7:48am On Apr 22, 2020
I learnt that humans dont boss this planet, we are at the mercy of everything around us.

I also learnt that it’s a whole lot easier for humans to go extinct than I thought. We just need a well adapted microbe to emerge, then we might all be gone.

I learnt that religious houses are fake and can’t really help anybody. They are out their for business.

I learnt that every of our activities still depends on what natures says.
Christianity EtcRe: Remember To Fast, Eat Healthy, Drink Lots Of Water, Don't Live Sedentary by ThinkFreely: 7:05am On Apr 22, 2020
Fast?
You better eat healthy at all times, it’s important for your immune system.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 6:50am On Apr 22, 2020
PoliteActivist:
My man the virus does not hang by themselves. They are in droplets a person ejects. Any type if covering retards how far those droplets can travel. Having on any type of covering is better than having nothing. Do some rsearch b4 confusing people like WHO!
how can any type of covering mask reduce how far those droplets can travel?

Dude, use any kind of mask them you wil end up just filtrating dust. Where do you guys get all these nonsense from? Don’t you have common sense, how can a material with large holes bigger than a virus significantly reduce its passage? It’s has to be 0.5microns

Even the disposable mask is not safe enough for it, the best mask is the N95 surgical mask. How do you explain a material that absorbs fluid, would that protect you?

Don’t rush and going be using mask without first using your brain. How many expert in person do you know? you went online, picked up a fake report and believe it because it credited stuffs to expert, dude there are lot of rubbish online these days. Dude that’s not how to analyze scientific researches. Go to journals, ncbi, research gate, pubmed etc, that’s where to find genuine scientific studies. Stop spreading ridiculous news because they said it was from experts.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 10:08pm On Apr 21, 2020
PoliteActivist:
See this one. Something that is clearly not logical he is trying to force it to be logical simply because WHO said it. Oga hasn't anyone told u asymptomatic people also spread the virus?? Why cover when u sneeze since it makes no difference.
I think WHO makes more sense in terms of long term and holistic effect.
We don’t have the capacity to make standard masks and sustain it, it will be futile.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 10:07pm On Apr 21, 2020
PoliteActivist:
Guy do u know the worst hit states in US, like New York, now legally mandate some type of face covering. Stop accepting twisted logic. Think for yourself for a change!
U.S is still leading in figures, as a matter of fact almost 40% of covid19 cases is in U.S. You think by yourself.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 8:31pm On Apr 21, 2020
weyreypey:
Your father! I knew you were a buffoon.
Use your Brain before using a face mask.
Christianity EtcRe: The Sperm Of God Is The Cure For COVID-19 by ThinkFreely: 8:22pm On Apr 21, 2020
Buliwyf:
Dude grow up. This is childish. It wasn't funny when you started. It still isn't funny now. Makes you look very bad actually.
Actually it’s funny
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 8:08pm On Apr 21, 2020
weyreypey:
oga shut up, what yen yen yen are you mumbling. If you want to catch COVID-19 no one is stopping you. Let the mask crew go on. Standard gini? Are you using surgical masks? ..
You are a foool.

What benefit is there in using face mask when it cannot n be available for everyone and the usage can’t be sustained. She ode ni eleyi ni? It’s people like you who can’t even use mask correct, oponu

Typical African illiterate that can’t think. Oya Goan be using mask like idioot without first analyzing the holistic impact na.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 4:20pm On Apr 21, 2020
obi4eze:
Not for me. But for those who can't get. Distribution of face masks may not be sustainable but it can be done initially with the help of the private sector and well-meaning individuals.
Do you understand the economic impact of what you are saying?
Even U.S can’t afford to give their citizens enough masks.
We don’t have factories to produce standardized masks, it can only be imported for now.
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 4:13pm On Apr 21, 2020
obi4eze:
It is. The government should just distribute them free of charge and pass an order that everyone should wear them with punitive measures for those that flout the order.
How do you intend achieving that when it’s scarce?

You think Nigeria government will constantly distribute face masks to you? grin
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 3:24pm On Apr 21, 2020
obi4eze:
LASG is better

Anyone and everyone should wear mask during this period.
Is this sustainable?
Christianity EtcRe: Apart From Straffing Mary, What Other Function Has God's Penis? by ThinkFreely: 1:55pm On Apr 21, 2020
This thread is getting me cracked cheesy
HealthRe: Use Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 1:26pm On Apr 21, 2020
mployer:
Increase in demand will ultimately cause increase in supply.

From the onset, WHO wants the spread to continue so they can carry out their evil Vaccination agenda.
Forget about the agenda.

I think W.H.O made sense
HealthUse Of Face Mask: Who Should We Listen To (W.H.O Or Lagos State Govt)? by ThinkFreely(op): 12:20pm On Apr 21, 2020
Lagos state Government: Use of face mask will be made compulsory from next week.

W.H.O: face make should only be used by frontline health workers and sick people.

Who do we listen to? After consulting several health practitioners and experts, now let’s look at these arguments carefully.

It’s true that correct usage of face mask will give you a level of protection against the virus and that if everyone can use it correctly alongside constant washing of your hands, we can collectively win the battle. This is the argument of Lagos state government.

W.H.O argued that face masks should be reserved for frontline health workers and sick people because if everyone starts using them, the commodity will become scarce, prices will be hiked and in the end it might only be available for those who can afford it and this can affect the availability for health workers (it’s very important we protect them).
They also argued that the scarcity might force the production of substandard face masks (a standard face mask that should protect against the virus should be made with fluid resistant materials and a filtration effectiveness of 0.5microns). We are already seeing this as people have started making face masks in Aba without proper regulations and tailors have started making them with “Aso oke”.

Let’s look at both argument holistically.

Is it true that a “standard face mask” can protect you when used correctly combined regular hand washing? Yes

If everyone starts using face mask, demand will be higher than supply and it’s an economic law that price will increase. Is this sustainable? Well you can answer that by yourself.

Do we have the facilities to sustain the production of standard face masks? No

Using substandard face masks can give you false impression of protection? Yes

If face masks become scarce, are we risking the lives of our health workers? Yes

What is the sustainability of making face mask compulsory for everyone? Very slim, if we can’t sustain it then everything becomes futile and counterproductive.

Do we have a standard face mask production factory in Nigeria? From all I know “no”

Using face mask is good, it can be productive if the government can consider the holistic effect knowing fully well that it’s a a collective fight. Making face mask available for a few set of people and others don’t get access to it afterwards or forcing people to use disposable face mask beyond the stipulated period of usage because of scarcity is counterproductive. The government need to look for ways to make them available at all times. If the issues of scarcity, price hike and appropriate usage can be dealt with then we are good but if otherwise, compulsory usage of face masks might become counterproductive.

Know that, if you wear a standard face mask and every other person doesn’t then we can’t win it, you are still at risk. It’s a collective fight.
HealthRe: Face Masks Production At Gatimo Apparel Factory In Ikeja, Lagos (video) by ThinkFreely: 10:51am On Apr 21, 2020
It’s not just making face mask, are the standards met?

Any face mask that is not made from fluid resistant material with a filtration effectiveness of 0.5micron cant protect against coronavirus.
Christianity EtcRe: Survey: Do You Believe In Evolution Or Creationism? Why? by ThinkFreely: 7:19am On Apr 21, 2020
JMAN05:
So you among those scientists that fails to tell people the truth, that beneficial mutations are rare. Or you don't even know about that. Well, research has shown that to be true in case you don't know.

My brother change into another specie, what is called macro-evolution is a dream. The Evolutionist are at debates because they know it's true. Some favor gradualism while some favor punctuated equilibrium. The fact is, we don't see new organisms made. All research to do that through breeding failed. Turn a chimp to a man let me see.
Mutations happen at every point of meoisis. This is elementary biology, this is why it’s important to understand the basis so no one will mislead you.

Mutation is why you don’t look exactly like your siblings.

A chimp cannot turn to a man, go back to modern biology for secondary school, calm down and assimilate evolution. You will understand how it works.

You don’t even understand mutations, it’s shows that you don’t know how it works.
Christianity EtcRe: What Was Exactly Jesus Sacrifice ?? Can It Be Counted As A Sacrifice ??? by ThinkFreely: 10:52pm On Apr 20, 2020
Dude probably had a cardiopulmonary resuscitation and the World is praising him for that.
We are not even sure dude even resurrected.
Christianity EtcRe: Survey: Do You Believe In Evolution Or Creationism? Why? by ThinkFreely: 10:25pm On Apr 20, 2020
JMAN05:
They share 96% of our DNA. They haveare the only ones that have that level of percentage, so that's basically understandable.

However we are strikingly different from them. We have as much as 40 million differences between are nucleotides. It is true that it is only many thousands of those nucleotides that really makes much sense, at least as experts say. However 40 million is pretty much even as we can readily observed when will look at a human and a chimp. Perhaps other things other than the DNA still contribute to the differences between we and chimps.



I agree that there are similarities but there are obvious differences in fact even large ones. Look at a human and a chimp, you would see some similarities. But there are obvious differences that to state that one premate will change to another is something that doesn't make any sense. Series of research has proven that this is true. One species does not change to another. That is what I call macro-evolution. It is true that you don't agree, you believe micro and macro are the same. Well I don't. There are experts that do not agree too.

Yes, we share most of our DNA. The production of a vaccine doesn't in itself mean that we are descended from them since vaccines could also be made from cocker spaniel and even other animals.

Now we share about 25% DNA with dogs however dogs and humans have almost the same number of genes. Now I am talking about a vaccine from that specie.

So, vaccine and closeness in DNA makeup is not a strong factor to support evolution from chimps. After all we humans have about 99.99 percent of DNA yet you observe obvious defferences from one human to another talk about a white and a black. Will know how hard it is for two whites to produce a black. Or for blacks to produce a white. That is just one example. Now think about a difference that is up to 4% in DNA.




You are the only one saying that mutation is largely beneficial, I don't know the source of your information. Research has only shown that at every 1000 you have one beneficial mutation. That is not being highly beneficial from my opinion. So what's the source of your own information?

From what I know, scientists that have been involved in interbreeding have not ended up producing new species. I mean they have not turned a chimp into a human.

So if a controlled research cannot do it I Wonder why mutation that is largely not beneficial can do it.

That is why if you go to the fossil record you will see several missing links. Macro-evolution doesn't work. the examples you provide only supports microevolution, changes within a specie.
in science we don’t claim to know everything, we don’t know it today doesn’t mean we won’t tomorrow. The presence of a missing link doesn’t totally discredit macroevolution, it’s just a call for more work because we are sure evolution whether micro or macro works.

Every one who knows elementary evolution knows that mutations are the primary cause of evolution, it happens always and it’s usually not dangerous. Without mutations, every organism will go extinct. Without mutations you can’t get different phenotypes in a specie. this is elementary evolution. Mutation is very important for our over all survival.

Educate yourself more about it. Macro evolution work, it’s the basis for everything we do. You don’t understand how it works, you can’t culture polio virus in monkeys if we don’t share common macroevolutionary tree with them.

It works well, yesterday, today and everyday...try and educate yourself about these things because the problem here is that we have someone who doesn’t fully understand the subject matter trying to argue against it. Understand it first.

It’s not really cool seeing someone spreading pseudoscience based on lack of understanding.
HealthRe: Wearing Face-Masks Will Be Compulsory In Lagos - Sanwo-Olu by ThinkFreely: 8:24pm On Apr 20, 2020
Seun:
I remember predicting that the reign of the Coronavirus would come to an end when people started wearing face masks. It is gradually coming to pass. The reason the entire world is in this mess is that the Asians, who produce most face-masks and other personal protection equipment, blocked their manufacturers from exporting them to the rest of the world because they knew that they would be needed to protect their people.

Instead of the West to respond by mobilizing their manufacturers to produce face-masks massively, so that they would be able to protect their people, they started a deceptive campaign to discourage people from using them. The campaign was so effective that people who wore face-masks were mocked and shamed by those who had been brainwashed. People who had face-masks were pressured into giving them away.

Now they grudgingly accept that face-masks are helpful but instead of producing adequate quantities of the quality face-masks that have been proven to be effective - the kind of masks that most Asians are wearing - they are asking people to use less effective home-made masks.
Oga Seun, I personally think face masks cannot solve the problem.

Face masks should be used with severe caution else it might even scale up the rate of spread. People should be well educated on how to use face masks, if not it’s gonna a total waste of time. Because of the scarcity in face mask, it’s advisable to reserve the available ones for frontline health workers and sick people.

I also think face masks in our society of uneducated people won’t really make any difference because a lot of people will use them inappropriately. It will only give people false feeling of protection.

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