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MaxInDHouse:
You don't need to blame him because it's human nature to start claiming they have woken up from deception but the funny thing is when they discover there are certain things they mixed up instead of humbly admitting they will turn to blind arguments and insults!😟

Thank you again sir

DeepSight:
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That's where they migrated to. Earlier they were among those identified as the sea people and variously had roots in places along the North African coast and in the Mediterranean.

Go research.

Everybody has where they migrated from. There are theories that they came from around Europe, that they are related to the Hyksos . And that their forebears built large civilization that extended from the coast of Africa around Egypt to were they were around the coast of Palestine.
Everybody migrated from somewhere, but when they were known as philistine they resided only around the coast of Palestine.
I have shown you the gross wickedness of the people Israel destroyed in Canaan. Bible too pointed out that they were evil. But pride won’t make you apologize for calling me a liar whereas what I have told you is historically factual.

Dtruthspeaker:
And this thread proves that your statement is not true by your blatant refusal to give your meaning of the word destroyed.

For the bible said that sinners and bad things like hell, death say t han are cast into the fire. And we all know that whatever is cast into the fire will burn forever if not removed.

Why are you this way? I just told you things weren’t literally cast into fire in Revelation.
Revelation is metaphorical, allegorical like a proverb. How do I help you like this?
Where it says things and even death arrest cast into the lake of fire, its not literal throwing. It signifies that sinners and deaths will be made to cease to exist.

DeepSight:
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Stop telling lies.

Arrogance of the ignorant.
You so much want to implicate God that you accuse me of lies whereas you are the one telling lies that philistine was in Africa.
See also attached evidence for the practice of child sacrifices among the canaanites, including Jericho, that Israelites destroyed.

DeepSight:
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Stop telling lies.

Arrogance of the ignorant.
You so much want to implicate God that you accuse me of lies whereas you are the one telling lies that philistine was in Africa.

Dtruthspeaker:
So you are not defining the word destroyed?

Secondly, when things are cast into a fire, what happens to them?

The point is sinners don’t go to hell-a fiery place where they burn forever- they are destroyed/killed by God at some point and they cease to exist forever

Dtruthspeaker:
That is your position. But you are forgetting that the argument is not about whether the bible taught it or not. But, whether the bible said so.

And it did. Shikena.

And if I want to make it more difficult, I would add that the bible only stated "cast in the fire". It did not say "burn".

So, you still have a problem here.

All the other things you said are off point. Let's concentrate on the issue

I really want to help you really.
The “cast” which is another word for throw is used in Revelation. Revelation is allegorical and the lake of fire means the things thrown inside will be destroyed forever.
There is no where the Bible talk about an hell where people will burn even for a day.

DeepSight:
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This does not wash. A human life is not a piece of money or a random chattel you can replace with another after playing with. Each death comes with grief and tragedy that can never be wished away by having other children in future. Only a demonic sadist does that for a game.

Secondly it is not true that all of those civilizations were barbaric child killers. That was a slur flung at best on the Philistines of North Africa and one or two others. Tell me, what was the sin of the people of Jericho for example. And were the Amalekites practicing such?

It is evil and nonsensical to say that whatever small child got killed will be rewarded with eternal life.

Philistine was not in North Africa, they are at the area Phoenicians later occupied. Jericho have been unearthed and there are proofs of child sacrifices on large scale

vdestro:
Funny dude, na you use mischievous, I threw it back at you and you are complaining

Now you lie and say I said you invented Allegory when I never said invented as my posts will prove.

Is that how desperate you are?

Well, this thread shows it is you who has been throwing Allegory up and down like you just stumbled upon a new word to use to protect your delusions.

So because Allegory means symbols so we should throw away the fact that symbols point to and indicate something, a fact you have not been able to counter

You have shown nothing to support you but rather it is against you and so clearly you are in denial of the truth that you are heading to Lake of Fire and nothing you say will stop it.

So over to you to find words that I have used here to fight with, since your argument is empty and contains nothing.

Then when you finish fighting my words, you can go on to repeat your delusions

I don try for you
So I leave you

DeepSight:
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If the Abrahamic God is just as you claim, why would he visit the sins of one person upon another.

Why would he inflict suffering on his faithful servant just to win a wager with Lucifer.

Why would he commission genocide to the extent of instructing the murder of women, children and even cattle.

Why would he blame his creations for being created the way he created them.

Whatever suffering he allows his a test which he has shown he can pay for a million times over. Job was rewarded. His dead children will enjoy everlasting life at the end of time.

Those civilization God allowed to be destroyed have been shown even by secular researchers to be really wicked and evil. They engage in child and human sacrifices. Prey on others.

Some people even said God should have destroyed them earlier. Whichever small child got killed will be rewarded with another chance at life-a good life- in the end of time.

vdestro:
So because of the use of symbolize and signify/signs which is used to indicate and point to something now means Allegory to you when it does not suit you right?

You are the mischievous one here and no matter how many times you ask me to humble, meaning make I no talk again I will tell you the truth you don't want to hear which is what do they all indicate/point to (signs) is that people including you are going to be permanent residents of the Lake of Fire.

So you can allegorize all you want, it would not change a thing!

You don use another big English “mischievous”.
People that want to be foolish will be foolish regardless of how much you try to show them logic. And conviction and beliefs that have been imbibed overtime is hard to let go. It’s like an abusive relationship, sometimes you die inside.

You said I invented the allegorical and I have showed you were the first verse of that revelation, the introductory verse said explicitly the things are shown in signs or symbols. Isn’t symbols another term for allegory and mentaphor? Instead of you to behave in a smart way and say things like “oh, that’s why even death was said to be thrown into the lake of fire. I get now , sorrry”, you are there cracking jokes wey no funny.

I have shown you one Bible verse to support my argument you in the other hand are just playing around and sticking with the tradition of men you have grown with. SMH

Dtruthspeaker:
All these are a departure from the issue for you argued giving the impression that God cannot and would not burn people that it is "repulsive" to Him. And that is why I pointed out that Sodom and Gomorrah's people were burnt by fire contrary to your point.

And in this present reply, you did not counter it. So that means this is settled and you can see that burning and fire with a fire that burns forever is in the equation where you were trying to deny that it was not and that there is no such fire even when the bible expressly said so.

And since it is known that people start repenting in fear when dying starts, (body go tell you things) then there is no need for the prophets to preach, as even today no one preached it, if not that a cunning question was deviced around it

So, it is clear you are wrong.

And as you can see you have moved the argument to "Total destruction of sinners" which is another issue.

Kai nawa oh
You use English to muddle up things. You just go round and round

The Bible doesn’t teach an hell where people burn after death. It only says the wages of sin is death. Understanding of the Bible shows sinners forfeit chance to enjoy everlasting life. That’s what I mean by total destruction. Come on na

God is just and he can’t burn people FOREVER FOR A SIN THEY USED 100 years (at most) to commit.

You just dey use English confuse yourself and everybody

Chidolalar:
Ok now quote where it was stayed in the bible

What I told you is that the Bible never said their is a hell that burns sinner forever.
Here is what the Bible said plainly. “The soul that sineth shall die”. Ezekiel 18:20
The wages of sin is death (not burning in some hell fire). Romans 6:23.

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome Sir.

Most of these people have lost interest in God's word but then when you tell them something really strange quoting the scriptures will make them have a rethink.

Imagine one boy telling me i should be one of his worshipers because he is into aviation and has discovered something in the sector so he believes i should worship him after all i travel through air.

Just a comment silenced him completely when i asked him what should farmers do since we can't survive without them but people have lived thousands of years on this planet before aeroplane was discovered?🙂

You did well.
Thank you sir

vdestro:
You wish!

Now that Revelations which is contained in the same Bible you earlier relied on, does not suit you, now its Allegory.

There is no Allegory or giringory there no matter how much you wish.

The Creator has told you plainly that his creations of which death is one of them would be cast in the lake of fire, shikena.

The fact you can not hold death, does not mean the Creator of death can not hold it.

So it is not for you to allegorize something when you don't like it.

You will be cast into the lake whether you wish it away or not.

I tell you to be humble. The Bible itself said that. These things I am telling you isn’t my own invention. I will show you ;
Revelation 1:1 in three different translations
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Revelation of Yeshua The Messiah, which God gave to him, to show his Servants what had been given to soon occur, and he SYMBOLIZED it when he sent by his Angel to his Servant Yohannan.

Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
A revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave to Him to show to His servants what things must quickly come to pass; and He SIGNIFIED [it], having sent through His messenger to His servant John.

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in SIGNS through him to his slave John.


I will tell you one thing out of love. Several populor Bible translations in English that we have now are either poorly done, or translation from another translation like is the case with KJV, or done with mischief to conform with some theology and narrative. You really have to study widely, compare translations and study bibles that offer literal translations to really understand the mind of God. Salvation is real work. Devil is trying to muddle up the Bible.

You will notice sadly that many modern Bible remove that part that says “sign/signify/symbols”. I hope to hear from you again. You have already said”delusional” and “you wish”, I want to hear another big grammar

MaxInDHouse:
That's why it's better to add scriptures to responses so you can see for yourself that it's what the scriptures says:



For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

Death (a return to non-existence) is the result of evil doing while everlasting life is a gift from God.

I left it like that to encourage discussion on the topic, I was expecting him to cite passages and even ask me for proofs. Thank you for coming in

vdestro:
See delusion inspite of Revelations in the same Bible, that clearly tells you people would be cast into the lake of fire.

Be humble guy.
Revelation is allegorical. Many events and things there are symbols like you have in Daniel and Ezekiel’s visions. That’s why you have Jesus represented by a Lamb and you have some four elders having animals features

The incident where people were throne in the lake of fire symbolizes total destruction. To prove this further, note that Death also was thrown in this same lake of fire. Now can death be held? It’s metaphor to denote total destruction, to tell you that at a point in the future Death and sinners will cease to exist

Sonnobax15:

Can any man here boast of his girlfriend? . That she wouldn't fall for this ? Personally, I've tested my own once ,and she fell for it....... Exactly the same way that the op's girlfriend did to him....In fact,from that day,I lost a very huge percentage of my trust on her . And from that the same day,I swore never to trust any woman.

The truth is that, don't put your entire trust on any human,be it a man or a woman...

Una dey date rubbish I swear. It must be down to your mindset and attitude. I have dated over a 100ladies and have never been heartbroken. Yes I boast about this.
I can’t be having it all wrapped up everytime but I don’t have these issues you guys have in relationships

Chidolalar:
The bible says they won't go to hell but only seize to exist right?

Yes

Chidolalar:
So they won't go to hell but only seize to exist?

Is dat what u are trying to say?

That’s what the Bible says

KingMack:
As a mod I can ban you for life on this space 🤣🤣🤣

You get power
I don submit to you oh

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are trying to shift the post and detail the argument now that you see that your basis iwrong

For, first, you just hurriei manufactured the "symbolized the presence of God" as you forgot that the cloud by day and fire by night was the symbolic presence of God.

Then you resorted to the fallacy of ad baculum when there wasn't anything manipulative in my response. I only pointed out the connection in reference to the topic, which you could not deny.

So, now, you ran away from addressing my response and switched our positions of the argument and then you now went on to present your own belief on it, which is hinged on the fact that God was against pagan practices that included the murder of children via fire, you then overstretched beyond all reasonable reasons to mean that God would never burn people by fire, even when they are guilty of it.

That clearly is rubbish, for again you forget that He burned down Sodom and Gomorrah and it's sinfilled people with FIRE!

So, you see, yet again you are wrong.

I do not understand where I have switched. I didn’t say you are manipulative, I only said God isn’t, and it’s against his nature of love to set up a fire somewhere so people can be cowed into worshiping him.
Everything I tell you can be supported by Bible. The cloud by day and fire by night aren’t the only thing God used to symbolize his presence and acceptance of Israel’s worship. Even the ark itself is a symbol of Gods presence.
God also caused fire to come down from heaven after Solomon commissioned the temple to show his power, presence and acceptance of the whole idea of the temple.
Back to our main issue. The Bible when studied very well, while blocking out man made traditions, does not teach a fire that burns dinner forever. What the Bible teaches is total destruction of sinners- a death without the prospect of everlasting life. The soul that sinneth shall die.
What I thought is that you will fault my argument on Gehenna, Sheol and Hades. I even asked if it’s possible for righteous men to go to hell. You didn’t respond to those things, you have only been accusing me of somethings I don’t even understand.
*plus, all through the Old Testament you will never see any prophets tell sinners or a sining nation that they will burn in hell if they kept on sinning. Even you won’t find among the apostles. What they all said was total destruction as consequence of sin. Jesus symbolized this by using Gehenna

press9jatv:
Wow Christians are very much in Nigeria. Nigera Christians are the most populated Christians in Africa and black Nations in the world.

The same with Nigerian Muslims

KingMack:
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But how did somebody manage to edit my words?

Dtruthspeaker:
"By Doubting, we are led to Questioning. By Questioning, we arrive at The Truth"

Plus, learning goes 2 ways.

And here you are also resisting my assertion hence this debate.

Therefore, moving on, everyone knows that I referred to the fire at the Altar that never quenches and the most important part is that you have fallen into what I was hinting at were you are admitted that it is "there for a good reason".

But , clearly you have not found the reason else you would have presented.

And thus, it is you who does not want to see and accept that the reason that fire is there is that God was giving us the first Hint of what we the world is taking about today which is that near His Throne (Ark) there is also everlasting fire.

Which as God reveals and Fulfills His Plans has cumulated to the great fear men have for death.

So, as I said before it is not about the words and meanings and histories and bible versions and translations. But about the spirit surrounding the idea of an information which is proven by the great fear and terror people experience when they hear the word hellfire or hell. The whole world understands that, is a very very bad place no one wants to go into.

And that is why your opinion is wrong and does not stand

The real meaning of things in the Bible is important. Gods words are clear. Ambivalence is dangerous as people can go with their different meanings. But we know “God is not the author of confusion.
That fire at the alter symbolized the presence of God and shows that the priests and by extension are always ready to offer sacrifices to him.
Importantly however is that our God is ‘Love’, he is not a manipulator or a gaslighter. He wants us to serve him out of LOVE and not because of some FEAR of some HELL.
What’s more? The idea of burning people in fire is repulsive to God. He punished nations including some Israelites that burnt their children in fire for the idol Molech.

The unadulterated truth of the Bible is important. Study to show thy self approved.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yeah, we have heard that before.

And first you said hellfire and not hell.

Secondly you forget that, that burning firery place was first mentioned in Leviticus 6:13. No Jerusalem gehena then

Then David mentions it again. Still no Jerusalem gehena.

And the general idea of hellfire is a bad place no normal person wants to go into.

So, it is not about the words and meanings and past stories. But about the spirit surrounding the idea of an information

Do you really want to learn and know what GOD REALLY SAYS, or even you want to spread falsehood? I have come to see that truth unadulterated, is really important for everyone’s REAL SALVATION,
The fire in Leviticus is the fire at the Altar [not some hell fire or fire for punishment] that the priest were commanded to keep burning perpetually. And this fire is even for a good reason.
Now you may ask, what about other places where He’ll or Hellfire were mentioned?
*I tell you that we have a lot of bibles that have been poorly translated. Most bibles we have today, including the KJV, use “Hell or Hellfire” as translation for 3 words mentioned in the Bible; these words are, Sheol, Hades and Gehenna. While Sheol and Hades meant the same thing -Hades being the Greek equivalent of Sheol, Gehenna meant different thing entirely.
*. Those three words should never have one English word to interpret them. They are different terms, and mean different things.
*non of them way back then denote a fiery place we’re somebody is roasted forever and ever. David was said to be in Hell (Sheol was the real word). Jesus too went to Hell ( translated from Hades). Are these two righteous men supposed to go to Hellfire/fire?
In fact, all humans will go to Sheol/Hades eventually. I will explain this so you ease up that frown on your face. The fact is that many Bible translators didn’t just do a poor job at translating, some were even mischievous. They choose at different places in the Bible how to translate Sheol/Hades. They chose to translate it as Hell in some places while at other places they translate it as grave.

Dtruthspeaker:
Mathew 5: 22 says you are lying

This why you have to really study. You think me that made that assertion do not know this?
One main factor that muddle up the message of God to man in the Bible today is the various misinterpreted Bible translations we have today. That hell in that portion of the Bible was translated from the word “Gehena”. It was an actual fiery place outside Jerusalem in Jesus’ time. When Jesus made that statement he meant the sinner will be destroyed totally [will seize to exist] not turned into an “Hell” that will keep burning him while he remains alive,
For your own good, you may want to bring up some more Bible portions you think preach the idea of hell you know now and I promise you I will in a loving way explain things to you

Chidolalar:
If there is no hell fire, then where do all murderers, arm robbers, fraudstwrs, kidnappers, witchcrafts etc go?

They seize to exist
Life is the gift from God. They forfeit that gift

seunmsg:
I saw this very interesting question on Twitter.

“ So after burning us in hell what will God actually gain?”

What do you think?

There is no hellfire. The Bible doesn’t teach it

seunmsg:
You mean hellfire na scam?

It’s scam, Bible do not teach it

KingMack:
Something must kill man 😔

Excuse of useless smokers

duro4chang:
What Peter obi wants is a situation whereby he will be the only candidate. He no he has no chance of winning when Atiku is still in the race. He can only be a running mate.

You no go school finish or you no dey hear English? You haven’t been hearing him say he is not desperate to be the president of Nigeria but that he is desperate to see Nigeria work?