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CrimeMan Kills Own Mum - After Accusing Her Of Being A Witch by tiatma(op): 11:54am On Nov 28, 2009
[size=13pt]Man Kills Own Mum - After Accusing Her Of Being A Witch[/size]

A divorced father of three stabbed his mother 21 times after becoming convinced that she was a witch and had put a curse on him, a court in Britain heard on Friday.

Kayode Kuye reportedly tortured and killed Christina Kuye, 69, because he believed she had ruined his life with a black magic spell, the Old Bailey was told.

Unemployed Kuye, 50, of Edmonton, north London, pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

The judge, Christopher Moss, ordered him locked up indefinitely under mental health laws and described it as a “brutal” killing.

Kuye reportedly attacked his mother after letting himself into her home in Finchley, north London, with a key in May last year, the court heard.

After a lengthy argument, he stabbed her 21 times to the upper body, also slashing her arms and hands as she tried to defend herself.

He was later arrested covered in blood at Finchley Central station, laughing as he said: “I have had an argument with my mother.”

Policemen forced their way into her home where they found her body in her bedroom.

Kuye later told psychiatrists that his purpose was “to torture his mother to try to prevent her from continuing what he perceived to be black magic upon him,” said Alan Kent, prosecuting officer.

Mr. Kent said: “The motivation behind his attack was his paranoid and deluded belief that his mother had cursed him through witchcraft and had ruined his life.”

Mrs. Kuye came to Britain from Nigeria in 1961 with her husband, who died in 1984. She had eight children, including the defendant, and 20 grandchildren.

She herself believed in witchcraft and her son became increasingly interested in the subject during the four years before he killed her.

His mother helped him get in touch with a witch doctor she knew in Nigeria and he would send him money “for advice and medicine,” the court heard.

Two years before the killing, he began to blame her for all his problems, saying she had “sacrificed him as a child and had put a curse on him.”

He believed that “he was a king and should be rich, but the curse prevented this from happening.”


For about a year before his mother’s death, he had been saying he was going to kill her, as well as other family members.

On the day of the stabbing, he had been “ranting and raving” at his former wife and told her that “he had to go and do what he had to do,” the court heard.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/28112009/news/news5.html

RIP
Christianity EtcHow Smart Are Your Chickens? by tiatma(op): 5:23pm On Nov 27, 2009
[size=14pt]Take the time to learn from your Bible what God says about the food on your table.[/size]

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Video Transcript

How smart are your chickens—and I don't mean the Kentucky Fried variety?

As reported recently in the Sunday Independent of South Africa, the indigenous African chickens owned by Strilli Oppenheimer displayed a remarkable fowl insight. Her head gardener Dawid Klopper brought her news that the birds were refusing to eat the maize in the chicken food.

Maize in America is called corn.

After testing at the University of the Free State the maize was found to be genetically modified, containing BTI (natural bacterial insecticide) and Roundup weed killer.

This is just another episode in the very much ongoing controversy about whether genetically modified foods are safe for human consumption.

GMOs (genetically modified organisms) began to first be developed twenty five years ago. The craze gathered steam in the United States, but soon ran into heavy scientific and consumer resistance elsewhere.

Many of those who oppose genetically modified foods claim that enough testing for long term safety has not been done. They charge that the GMO rush to market has been a rush to profit for seed and agri-chemical companies.

Yet the GMO companies counter that their products will produce considerably more food of earth's burgeoning population—and that those foods are safe for consumption.

So far many health experts are not convinced.

Hungarian-born protein scientist Dr. Arpad Pusztai has been a leading critic of genetically engineered crops. In a recent article he criticized the GMO industry for using a questionable safety benchmark called “substantial equivalence”.

Substantial equivalence means that the genetically modified plant is close enough to the parent line to appear safe. This is based on the idea that man can engineer gene-splicing with the exact precision with which the DNA would duplicate itself.

There's a logical flaw in that reasoning—very likely overlooked by even many anti-GMO experts and proponents. This flaw is the assumption that man can manipulate life forms as well as, or better than God who created them.

Man is himself a remarkable part of the creation, but man is not the Creator. Whenever humanity has tried to play God, they have won no Academy Awards—not one!

Take the time to learn from your Bible what God says about the food on your table. Do that, and you'll be even wiser than Strilli Oppenheimer's South African chickens—and they're smart!

For GN magazine, I'm Randy Stiver.
FamilyRe: Can You Describe Your Childhood In 1 Word? by tiatma: 12:28pm On Nov 26, 2009
. . . Rollercoaster . . .
Christianity EtcRe: Where In The Bible Does It Say We Have Free Will ? by tiatma: 12:17pm On Nov 26, 2009
Horus:
No, what I am saying is; Why they cannot use their "free will" to just stop doing sins.
@above

"Why they cannot use their "free will" to just stop doing sins.?" because of the tussle between the spirit man and the carnal man
Christianity EtcRe: Where In The Bible Does It Say We Have Free Will ? by tiatma: 11:54am On Nov 26, 2009
Horus:
Christians do not seem to have free will, because they cannot stop doing sins.

Do you know a christian who stopped doing sins?

If christians have free will why they keep doing sins again and again?
@Horus

The below verses should give pointers, read up previous verses for a proper heads up

Romans 7: 18-25 Contemporary English Version (CEV):
18I know that my selfish desires won't let me do anything that is good. Even when I want to do right, I cannot.

   19Instead of doing what I know is right, I do wrong.

   20And so, if I don't do what I know is right, I am no longer the one doing these evil things. The sin that lives in me is what does them.

   21The Law has shown me that something in me keeps me from doing what I know is right.

   22With my whole heart I agree with the Law of God.

  23But in every part of me I discover something fighting against my mind, and it makes me a prisoner of sin that controls everything I do.

  24What a miserable person I am. Who will rescue me from this body that is doomed to die?

  25Thank God! Jesus Christ will rescue me. So with my mind I serve the Law of God, although my selfish desires make me serve the law of sin.
Christianity EtcRe: Where In The Bible Does It Say We Have Free Will ? by tiatma: 10:32am On Nov 26, 2009
Atheists:
Xtians pliz help me out can you show me where in the bible it says we got free will ?
@Atheists

The below are out of many . . .

Ezra 7:16 KJV:
And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the [size=14pt]freewill[/size] offering of the people,

and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
Philemon 1:14 (American Standard Version):
but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but [size=14pt]of free will.[/size]
Revelation 22:17 KJV:
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come.

And whosoever [size=14pt] will[/size], let him take the water of life [size=14pt]freely[/size].
Christianity EtcRe: Is God Male, Female, Or Both? by tiatma: 1:08am On Nov 26, 2009
Theblessed:
Actually, God is a man!

You only have to look up to Jesus Christ his only son to realise that, God is a man and not a woman!

So, women are created in the form of men but not really like men hence, the term w o o o m a a a n.
@Theblessed

God is not man

Recognise that man is used in the context of human beings (i.e. man equals male and female)

Though He has the attributes of a father and is called God the Father, God the Father is not male

God is gender-neutral

For obvious reasons God the Son is male

Also true women are created in the form of male (i.e. they are a male with a womb)

The Gen 2:23 verse of man and woman is the Hebrew translation of Ish and Isha

Time and space are not allies to allow elaborations
Christianity EtcRe: What's Your Favorite Name For God? by tiatma: 12:35am On Nov 26, 2009
Olabowale:
bosi gbangba ka ja, i wo le fo ni? ni bo lo fe fo lo? abeg.

Which prophet saw God and lived? O je mo nkon to nso?
@Olabowale

E don tay wey you be Lagos last huh?

It was Ka fo, not Ka fo - let's demo and not let's fly,

no be winch dey fly, your mind is doing overdrive

Would put the accents on the vowels in the future to prevent the misintepretations such as this

"Which prophet saw God and lived? O je mo nkon to nso?" you are asking me

I asked you whether you are sure your statement is correct and offerred you the chance to correct and repost your question

Despite the incorrect syntax, I kind of understand your query

MOSES was not allowed to see GOD's face and live but was allowed to see His back
Christianity EtcRe: What's Your Favorite Name For God? by tiatma: 12:08am On Nov 26, 2009
Olabowale:
So tiatma how do you explain no one can see God and live versus Jesus was seen for as long as he was on earth?

One is correct, the other must be so wrong.

No and which one?

Am trying to let you see some sense, if possible.
@Olabowale

Are you sure that it is "no one can see God and live . . . "

or do you want to have another go (i.e. correctly phrase "no one can see God and live . . . "wink

and hey what sense are you trying to point out, explain - "Bosi gbangba, ka fo"
Christianity EtcRe: Christians Only (STRICTLY) - Discussion Of "I Did Not Ask To Be Created" Theory by tiatma: 11:11pm On Nov 25, 2009
Recognise:
@OP

Oba "Je ka daale, ka tun sa" literally means "lets us dismantle and reassemble"

Quick question please:

Can you remember what you were doing at this particular time, say five years ago

and/or what choices you made on that day?


Please give a honest and unambiguous answer
Obalende:
Can you remember what you were doing at this particular time, say five years ago?

No, but I use my free will to choose not to exist but God doesnt honor that!

and/or what choices you made on that day?

No
@Poster

If you can't remember what you were doing at this particular time, say five years ago and/or what choices you made on that day

how can you be certain you didnt choose to be created or never made a choice to be born then, huh?
Christianity EtcRe: What's Your Favorite Name For God? by tiatma: 10:33pm On Nov 25, 2009
Sayso:
Beginning and End
Olabowale:
Beginning and Ending without any interruption, knocks Jesus out of possibility of being God since the Christians say that he was dead sometimes in the past! And if we use the Muslims, he says Jesus  will die before its all over!

While both agree that Jesus had a beginning and also ending at some time, though different, both agree that God does not have beginning because He started beginning as in creation, meaning He was already there before the beginning, and He does not have an ending, since after the end he will still be Who He alway is!
Uplawal:
Christians with their blasphemous belief of GOD having BEGINNING and END
@Olabowale & Uplawal

You're giving counsel without knowledge . . .

With all due respects yall both should please spare us your flaky understanding and wobbly theology

God is eternal, ever existing.

He predates time. He is not subject to time. He established time, if you can be bothered refer to Genesis 1:14

He determined when time starts and when it will end (i.e. the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End)

God steps into and out of time, yes Jesus spent time on Earth.

This is quite possible because God is unlimited in power and it's only Him that can be in more than one place at the same time (i.e. simultaneously be in heaven as God the Father and be on earth as God the Son without a hitch)

Nothing is impossible for God to do except if He only doesnt want to  . . .
Christianity EtcRe: How Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by tiatma: 9:55pm On Nov 25, 2009
Does anyone have a clear demostration or example and explanation backed with scripture verses on "How did God harden Pharaoh's heart"?
Christianity EtcRe: Where Was God During The Rwandan Genocide ? by tiatma: 9:28pm On Nov 25, 2009
Atheists yesterday at 10:16:41 AM:
When over a million people died in a period of 100 days where was god ? Why didn't he protect them ?
@Atheists

Where Was God During The Rwandan Genocide ?

When over a million people died in a period of 100 days where was God ?


- Same place He was when His Son too was stitched up and butchered?

Why didn't he protect them ?

- Possibly for the same reason(s) He didnt protect His Son too or for reasons best known to Him
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Questions Needed Contributors Pls. by tiatma: 8:58pm On Nov 25, 2009
muyinice:
Pls can any one contribute to these questions?

1. Does luck lead to success?
2. Is it right to move with un-believers?
3. Is it right to make everybody your mentor especially un-believers?
4. How can a total teenager affect their society positively?
@Muyinice

- this is keeping it short and simple

1) Does luck lead to success?

>>


There is no reference to luck in the scriptures (i.e. There is no bible verse mentioning luck, good luck or bad luck) so No, luck does not lead to success

As a matter of fact  FAVOUR (i.e. help, aid, act of kindness, good deed/turn, support etc) in umpteen times, is the closest to LUCK that you would find in the Bible.

While we're on the term FAVOUR, recognise that the FAVOUR of God leads to good SUCCESS

Food for thought, apparently according to Joshua 1:9 there is good success, so if there is good success, there is bound to be bad or evil success

Joshua 1:7-9 (King James Version):
7Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper withersoever thou goest.

8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have [size=14pt]good success [/size]
Nonetheless the Bible reveals that things happen solely as a result of either the will of God, the will of God and human will or the will of Satan and the human will.

3 John 1:2 encapsulates the essence of complete and good success, which is why it is one of the favourite verses I quote when wishing someone well, it says,


3 John 1:2 (King James Version):
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
2) Is it right to move with un-believers?

>>


GOD came to Earth because of unbelievers. He moved and dined with them without sinning so why the foot shuffling or hesitance.

The below scripture references should illuminate further

Romans 12:1-2 (King James Version):
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Matthew 5:13-16 (King James Version):
13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
3) Is it right to make everybody your mentor especially un-believers?

>>


No, no, no, No. Not everybody, the litmus test is their fruits, character and right standing with God.

Use these three indicators (i.e. fruits, character and right standing with God) to prompt a decision

Note that right standing with God implies simultaneously doing the right thing, at the right time whilst been on God's right hand side

Matthew 7:15-18, 20 (King James Version):
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14 (King James Version):
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
  14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
4) How can a total teenager affect their society positively?

>>


You accomplish this simply by been about the Father's business

These verses should illuminate further

Luke 2:49 (King James Version):
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Matthew 25:34-40 (King James Version):
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
CrimeJealous Worker Murdered Lover And Cut Up Her Body With Circular Saw by tiatma(op): 9:27pm On Nov 24, 2009
Jealous Tesco worker murdered lover and cut up her body with circular saw

A jealous boyfriend murdered his lover and cut up her body with a circular saw after she started internet dating, a court head today.

Jamal Bakhit, 25, stabbed Rahmona Ahmedin, 23, to death at her home when she tried to end their four-year relationship.

The former criminology student then packed her dismembered body into two suitcases and dumped them beside the A1301 in Hinxton near the border between Essex and Cambridgeshire. 

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/24/article-1230581-07582884000005DC-329_224x275.jpghttps://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/24/article-1230581-075859B1000005DC-998_224x275.jpg
Rahmona Ahmedin's body was packed into suitcases by Jamal Bakhit (right)

Swedish-raised Miss Ahmedin, of Islington, north London, had been seeing up to three different men in the months before her death.

She had also fallen pregnant but had a termination against the wishes of Bakhit, who wanted to keep the child.

Bakhit, who was jailed for  life after being convicted of murder, played the part of the concerned boyfriend when he reported her missing to Islington police station.

He claimed he last saw Ethiopian-born Miss Ahmedin alive when she travelled to Bristol on June 6 last year to visit a friend.

The Tesco worker even sent text messages on her mobile phone and used her bank card to make it look like she was still alive.


But a jury at Snaresbrook Crown Court took just an hour-and-a-half hour to convict him of murder following a three-week trial.

Bakhit showed no emotion as he was later ordered to spent at least 20 years behind bars.

Jurors heard the victim's body was found by horrified truckers Philip Lear and Derek Lumley in the early hours of June 18 last year.

Mr Lear and Mr Lumley - who were sleeping in their cabs after parking up at the truck stop - were awoken by Miss Ahmedin's burning corpse which passing motorists mistook for a bonfire. 

Firefighters extinguished the flames by splashing the body with handfuls of water to disturb the crime scene as little as possible.   

Signs of insect life in the charred, dissected corpse indicated Bakhit had stowed Miss Ahmedin for several days before she was torched.

Tests also found Miss Ahmedin had been doused in petrol.

A postmortem revealed slightly built 5ft-tall Miss Ahmedin had also suffered a defensive stab wound to her right hand as she desperately fended off Bakhit's blade.

Pathologist Dr Nathaniel Cary identified the cause of death as a stab wound to the chest which was likely to have caused a prolonged agonising death.

'A stab of that kind would not be expected to cause a particularly rapid death,' he said. 

Bakhit had been captured on CCTV at Birchanger Green Services - just a few miles from the Hinxton layby - in his VW Golf about an hour before the discovery of Miss Ahmedin's body.

The African, who had taken over a launderette in Fulham, west London, admitted driving along the M11 but claimed he was travelling to Colchester, Essex, to recruit a worker for his business.


Paul Purnell QC, defending Bakhit, tried to convince the jury Bakhit was 'a suspect' rather than 'the suspect' with all the men in her life.

'She was in contact with people she had met through the [dating] website who were engaged in physical, sexual contact with her and who had visited her flat,' said the barrister.

Detective Constable Stuart Brown, who filed Miss Ahmedin's missing person report, described Bakhit as 'calm and calculated' when he reported her disappearance.

The officer told the court: 'It was just his demeanour - the fact he seemed to be making a report as if he already knew where the report was going.'   

Miss Ahmedin's friends Brenda Lukwago and Zelia Vanderpuije desperately tried to contact Miss Ahmedin in the days after her disappearance.

They demanded Bakhit let them search her flat on the Peabody Estate for clues but Bakhit claimed there was no electricity and the pair were left to grope around in the dark.

A police search later uncovered a knife wrapped in plastic on a kitchen work top and Miss Ahmedin's belongings such as her purse, handbag and make-up bag.

Detectives never discovered the cutting tool used to slice Miss Ahmedin's body into three pieces.

Bakhit, of Fulham, west London, denied murder.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230581/Jealous-Tesco-worker-murdered-lover-cut-body-circular-saw.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo#ixzz0XoJBm4Px
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus Christ An 'accursed' Person? by tiatma: 11:44pm On Nov 23, 2009
Niyi53:
Hello guys!the tomb of Jesus has been discovered in khanyar street,sirnagar  india.(for more info, go to this website: www.alislam.org)
Pls you christians why dont you move closer to the muslims and ask them concerning their  religion before you start hurling abuse on them? The muslims are talking about Jesus based on what the christians told them.
@above

Origin of Fantastical tales about Yus Asaf of Rozbal also known as Jesus of Kashmir

According to the fantastical stories the rod of Moses was also originally kept at the grave of Yus Asaf of Khanyar but was later moved to the shrine of Sheikh Zain-ud-din at Aishmuqam, that there is another grave the real grave underneath the present one kept at the location. And so on. The stories are fantastic. Recently some one even wrote a thriller around the stories titled 'Rozabal Line' inspired by the'Rose Line' in "Da Vinci Code". [A BBC series on the Stories, this part of video concerns Jesus in Kashmir]

I first read about - 'Rozbal, Jesus in Kashmir, grave of Yus Asaf (Kashmiri Jesus) at Rozbal Khanyaar, and so on', many years ago as a teenage when one afternoon I discovered a tattered old thin book (don't remember its name) about the Kashmiri Jesus in the Ranbir Singh library of Jammu. I was certainly intriguing, especially at that age.

These fantastic stories about 'Jesus in Kashmir stories' first started doing rounds towards the end of 19th century and were spread and started by Ahmedias. It actually had more to do with power tussle among the Muslims.

Muslims believe Jesus Christ was not crucified but rather ascended straight to heaven. They also believe that his second advent would signal the end of world,  that would be Qiyamat (the Day of Judgement). As opposed to this Ahmedians have their own concept of the last Messiah. Ahmedians believe Christ, wounded and in an unconscious state, was removed from the cross at the last moment and moved to a secret burial altar . Special ointment (marham-i-isa) was applied on his wounds and over days he eventually got better. But then he came out of the burial vault and traveled to the holy land of Kashmir where he taught the lost tribes of Israel, became known as Yus Asaf, lived until the age of 120 and was finally buried at Khanyaar.

Today's the start of 20th century thee stories were picked by visiting foreigners who were already fascinated by the 'Jewish' looking Kashmiris and now by these interesting tales about Kashmiri Jesus.

Sir Francis Younghusband, Resident of Kashmir for three years starting 1906, about these Jesus in Kashmir stories, wrote in his book 'Kashmir' (1911):

    "Other interesting types of Kashmir Mohamedans are found among the headmen of the picturesque little hamlets along the foot-hills. Here may be seen fine old patriarchal types, just as we picture to ourselves the Israelitish heroes of old. Some, indeed, say, though I must admit without much authority, that these Kashmiris are of the lost tribes of Israel. Only this year there died in the Punjab the founder of a curious sect, who maintained that he was both the Messiah of the Jews and the Mahdi of the Mohamedans; that Christ had never really died upon the Cross, but had been let down and had disappeared, as He had foretold, to seek that which was lost, by which He meant the lost tribes of Israel ; and that He had come to Kashmir and was buried in Srinagar. It is a curious theory, and was worked out by this founder of the Quadiani sect in much detail. There resided in Kashmir some 1900 years ago a saint of the name of Yus Asaf, who preached in parables and used many of the same parables as Christ used,as, for instance, the parable of the sower. His tomb is in Srinagar, and the theory of this founder of the Quadiani sect is that Yus Asaf and Jesus are one and the same person. When the people are in appearance of such a decided Jewish cast it is curious that such a theory should exist ; and certainly, as I have said, there are real Biblical types to be seen everywhere in Kashmir, and especially among the upland villages. Here the Israelitish shepherd tending his flocks and herds may any day be seen."

The founder of the sect (Ahmedian) was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian who died in 1908.

The really interesting thing is that at the root of these stories was a Russian Jew converted to Greek Orthodoxy, a man named Nicolas Notovitch ( believed to be the inspiration for the character of Great Game Spy in Rudyard Kipling's Kim).

In 1887 Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. Notovitch claimed that during his travels in the Himalayas, at the monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he came to know about the 'secret life of Jesus' through a 'Tibetan gospel' (that he translated as) "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." In 1894, Notovitch got this 'unknown gospel' published in French as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. And it later became famous 'The Unknown Life of Chris'.

According to this text Jesus at the age of thirteen ( start of his lost years ) traveled to India and learned the local religious of Jains, Hindus and Buddhists and preached to them.

And so the stories go on.

Now, here's the interesting part . . .

To read further http://searchkashmir..com/2009/05/origin-of-fantastical-tales-about-yus.html
CrimeRobbery Suspect "eats Evidence" by tiatma(op): 7:10pm On Nov 23, 2009
Police in Ohio film what they say is robbery suspect John Ford eating a piece of paper he used to demand money in a bank.

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Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus Christ An 'accursed' Person? by tiatma: 7:53pm On Nov 22, 2009
Niyi53:
The God you are claiming to have given his son out for redeemtion of sin seems to be merciless and crooked. He says all souls shall bear their sins themselves, But he is forcing his son, who is not willing to sacrifice his self,because of others. This is an injustice to his son. Moreover he said he can forgive,why cant he does so without the help of any one?

Important note: Do you know that the sins which you said Jesus has redeemed you from is still not removed? You said it was the sins of Adam and Eve and the punishment which was given to them is still been served by every body, even when you were given birth to, your mother cannot say that the process is easy, nor your father or you your self cannot say that you are not striving for your own livelihood.

Therefore, a christian should pls explain to me the sin which Jesus has redeemed him from.
@Niyi53

Romans 5:12; 17-18 KJV:
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Romans 5:12; 17-18 AMP:
12Therefore, as sin came into the world through one man, and death as the result of sin, so death spread to all men, [no one being able to stop it or to escape its power] because all men sinned

17For if because of one man's trespass (lapse, offense) death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive [God's] overflowing grace (unmerited favor) and the free gift of righteousness [putting them into right standing with Himself] reign as kings in life through the one Man Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

18Well then, as one man's trespass [one man's false step and falling away led] to condemnation for all men, so one Man's act of righteousness [LEADS] to acquittal and right standing with God and life for all men.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus Christ An 'accursed' Person? by tiatma: 7:31pm On Nov 22, 2009
Niyi53:
The God you are claiming to have given his son out for redeemtion of sin seems to be merciless and crooked. He says all souls shall bear their sins themselves, But he is forcing his son, who is not willing to sacrifice his self,because of others. This is an injustice to his son. Moreover he said he can forgive,why cant he does so without the help of any one?

Important note: Do you know that the sins which you said Jesus has redeemed you from is still not removed? You said it was the sins of Adam and Eve and the punishment which was given to them is still been served by every body, even when you were given birth to, your mother cannot say that the process is easy, nor your father or you your self cannot say that you are not striving for your own livelihood.

Therefore, a christian should pls explain to me the sin which Jesus has redeemed him from.
@Niyi53

Jesus redeemed all from the sin of the corrupted template one man - Adam;

". . . even when you were given birth to, your mother cannot say that the process is easy . . . " - Have you not heard of orgasmic birthing?

". . . nor your father or you your self cannot say that you are not striving for your own livelihood . . ." - If GOD is your Jah Jireh, you wont be striving for a livelihood
Christianity EtcRe: She Says Prophet Muhammad is in Hell (Hell Testimony) by tiatma: 11:00am On Nov 22, 2009
Christianity EtcRe: She Says Prophet Muhammad is in Hell (Hell Testimony) by tiatma: 10:59am On Nov 22, 2009
Beyonce, Sasha Fierce, and Demon Possession - Part 3 of 5 and Part 4 of 5

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Christianity EtcRe: She Says Prophet Muhammad is in Hell (Hell Testimony) by tiatma: 10:59am On Nov 22, 2009
Beyonce, Sasha Fierce, and Demon Possession - Part 1 of 5 and Part 2 of 5

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Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Loves You by tiatma: 11:05am On Nov 21, 2009
@Topic

Yeah sure He does . . .

Jesus loves you

but am his favourite wink
Christianity EtcRe: Feel Free To Ask Me Questions On My Beliefs About The God Who Revealed The Bible by tiatma: 10:00am On Nov 21, 2009
mavenbox:
It has appeared that someone on this thread has a severe case of Multiple Personality Disorder.

@tiatma: I am sorry, but I am choosing not to go into details any longer on this thread.

1. As I said before, divorce is a sin (missing the mark of God's standard for marriage). There is no sin acceptable for the children of light, and neither is divorce. See Matthew 19:3-8 (Amplified Bible). But then, all sins are forgivable. So Christian divorcees are not damned or any such thing.

2. Where does Jesus make a minor "exception"?
Please note the boldened answer to 2b above.

I refer to it as a minor exception because as Jesus had CLEARLY explained before, no man was to put asunder what God had joined together (Matthew 19:6) and as such, divorce was NEVER really an option. But if the man felt he couldn't live with it, then he had the choice to divorce her (the fact that it mentions a man and an unfaithful wife, I believe, does not exclude the gender reversal as well). As much as this was not God's design, yet it was a minor window of escape because some people may not find it tolerable to live with one that they have found to be unfaithful, maybe even caught in the act.

I'm sorry I have no other verses to back up my beliefs, because it appears Jesus is the only one who talked about divorce in the New testament, and all that we have to go by in the OT was Moses' laws [Deut 24:1-4] which Jesus had to improve upon because of the wickedness of the Jews' hearts (I assume this to mean that maybe they had a habit of repudiating their wives consecutively in order to marry another one lawfully). Mere speculation, you may say, but this is the understanding I have, backing up my beliefs.

I believe as you well know, not everything that is SCRIPTURE for the New Man is found in words in the New Testament; sometimes we get direct revelation from the Spirit of God. What I have said above is what the Holy Spirit explained to me, and it is good enough for me. Best regards,
@mavenbox

There was a 65 year old female posting in this forum a while back - possibly 2 - 3 months back

Cant remember her user ID, I found her postings and responses without venom intriguing, refreshing etc

I thought you were her and decided to take up her offer (i.e.  Feel Free To Ask Me Questions On My Beliefs About The God Who Revealed The Bible) to ask her questions

The idea was to check her standings and theology to find out how much she has studied to show herself approved unto God

She definitely isnt Nigerian and doesnt write pidgins

I only found out in some of your posts that you're likely Nigerian and occassionally drop pidgins so this is a case of mistaken identity

and definitely one of barking up the wrong tree.

PS
tiatma:
Two more questions please

1) On which grounds is divorce acceptable for the children of light, feel free to provide scriptural references to back up with?

2) Are you sure Jesus made a minor exception to divorce?

2b) If your response is positive, what was the operative word used for the exception, feel free to back up with scriptural reference and Bible version or versions
Simple questions requiring simple answers

1) "On which grounds is divorce acceptable for the children of light" notice I intentionally didnt use christian

>> Question was whether there is a ground for divorce for the children of light or not and not whether it is a sin or not

2) Are you sure Jesus made a minor exception to divorce?

>> A close question requiring a Yes or No - didnt get a Yes or No answer to that

2b) If your response is positive, what was the operative word used for the exception, feel free to back up with scriptural reference and Bible version or versions

>> . . . except for unchastity . . .

Ignore all my questions, they werent intended for you at all, you re-worded them when answering, went off tangent and made or took too many assumptions when responding without an emphatic answer

I have no further questions for you.

I also wont be taking you up on your assertions (i.e. . . . except for unchastity . . . ) or whether that is the original text or term used. I am leaving that for others and posterity to take on if they will or want

Ta-ta for taking time out to respond

If I can manage I will trawl NL to sieve out the poster I mistook for you

Maybe someone that recognises the poster I am referring to can drop her user ID

or the poster can identify herself

The Spirit of Truth doesnt contradict the word of God, no matter the revelation.
The Old Testament conceals the New Testament, and the New Testament reveals the Old Testament
They all compliment each other . . .
Christianity EtcRe: Feel Free To Ask Me Questions On My Beliefs About The God Who Revealed The Bible by tiatma: 2:22am On Nov 21, 2009
mavenbox:
@tiatma:
Thanks for getting the thread back on its wheels from a retarded onslaught.

1. I decline to answer this question, and I hope you don't mind (not that there is anything I can do if you do mind), but I get a lot of joy from my privacy.

2. Therefore, I believe what Jesus said: no one should get divorced. Whoever gets divorced from their spouse has simply committed a sin, and of course, there is forgiveness for sins; but we should never forget that a sin is like a wound inflicted on the body: it will heal (forgiveness) but eventually the scar will remain.

Jesus makes a minor exception in Matt 19:9 => divorce as a result of infidelity. But even with that, the offended party should be able to forgive the other, but if he/she can't handle it (Christ's yoke is never too heavy to bear), then they can divorce.

What I mean is that Christian divorcees will be forgiven of their sins if they ask for forgiveness, will be blessed by God if they repent (i.e. if either one has not yet re-married), but if they have re-married (thus committing adultery, Matt 19:9) they can ask for forgiveness, be sanctified again by the Holy Spirit; and bear much fruit. But the scars will remain for a while: such scars as family heart-aches due to the children separation (if any) or matters of alimony.

I hope your question is answered, tiatma.

Cheers
@mavenbox

Thanks for your responses, I can live with question #1 not answered; it doesnt matter anyway because I mistook you for someone else prior to posting that question

Two more questions please


1) On which grounds is divorce acceptable for the children of light, feel free to provide scriptural references to back up with?

mavenbox:
. . . Jesus makes a minor exception in Matt 19:9 => divorce as a result of infidelity.
But even with that, the offended party should be able to forgive the other . . .
2) Are you sure Jesus made a minor exception to divorce?

2b) If your response is positive, what was the operative word used for the exception, feel free to back up with scriptural reference and Bible version or versions

Ta-ta again
Forum GamesRe: If U Were At The Previous Poster's Naming. . . by tiatma: 2:01am On Nov 21, 2009
mavenbox:
undecided mattias

[Hey, don't I know you?  undecided]
@above

Beg to differ  smiley

PS: mattias? who dat? Oh yeah "a gift from GOD"
Forum GamesRe: If U Were At The Previous Poster's Naming. . . by tiatma: 1:57am On Nov 21, 2009
Greek - the Greek smiley
Forum GamesRe: Why Did The Chicken Cross The Road? by tiatma: 1:55am On Nov 21, 2009
WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?

Plato: For the greater good.

Karl Marx: It was a historical inevitability.

Machiavelli: So that its subjects will view it with admiration, as a chicken which has the daring and courage to boldly cross the road, but also with fear, for whom among them has the strength to contend with such a paragon of avian virtue? In such a manner is the princely chicken's dominion maintained.

Hippocrates: Because of an excess of light pink gooey stuff in its pancreas.

Jacques Derrida: Any number of contending discourses may be discovered within the act of the chicken crossing the road, and each interpretation is equally valid as the authorial intent can never be discerned, because structuralism is DEAD, DAMMIT, DEAD!

Thomas de Torquemada: Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out.

Timothy Leary: Because that's the only kind of trip the Establishment would let it take.

Douglas Adams: Forty-two.

Nietzsche: Because if you gaze too long across the Road, the Road gazes also across you.

B.F. Skinner: Because the external influences which had pervaded its sensorium from birth had caused it to develop in such a fashion that it would tend to cross roads, even while believing these actions to be of its own free will.

Carl Jung: The confluence of events in the cultural gestalt necessitated that individual chickens cross roads at this historical juncture, and therefore synchronicitously brought such occurrences into being.

Jean-Paul Sartre: In order to act in good faith and be true to itself, the chicken found it necessary to cross the road.

Ludwig Wittgenstein (Early): The possibility of "crossing" was encoded into the objects "chicken" and "road", and circumstances came into being which caused the actualization of this potential occurrence.

Ludwig Wittgenstein (Late): Because it had reached bedrock, and its spade was turned.

Albert Einstein: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

Aristotle: To actualize its potential.

Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken- nature.

Salvador Dali: The Fish.

Darwin: It was the logical next step after coming down from the trees.

Emily Dickinson: Because it could not stop for death.

Epicurus: For fun.

Ralph Waldo Emerson: It didn't cross the road; it transcended it.

Johann Friedrich von Goethe: The eternal hen-principle made it do it.

Ernest Hemingway: To die. In the rain.

Werner Heisenberg: We are not sure which side of the road the chicken was on, but it was moving very fast.

David Hume: Out of custom and habit.

Saddam Hussein: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it.

Pyrrho the Skeptic: What road?

The Sphinx: You tell me.

Henry David Thoreau: To live deliberately , and suck all the marrow out of life.

Mark Twain: The news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.

Molly Yard: It was a hen!

Gene Roddenberry: To boldly go where no chicken ,

Zeno of Elea: To prove it could never reach the other side
Christianity EtcRe: Feel Free To Ask Me Questions On My Beliefs About The God Who Revealed The Bible by tiatma: 1:31am On Nov 21, 2009
@mavenbox

Two questions to start with please

1) Are you single, married, separated or divorced?

2) What is your stand on divorce (i.e. belief about divorce in regards to God and the Bible)

Ta-ta.
CrimeRe: Human Fat Traffickers Killed People In Order To Steal Their Body Fat by tiatma(op): 11:47pm On Nov 20, 2009

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