The plan of the jews is to kill jesus christ because they think he is a false prophet. According to their law, a person who dies on the cross is an accursed of God(deut 21:23), and Jesus is not. If therefore the christian accept that jesus died on the cross, then the jews would be right for denying him, if they are not,then the christians should give an explanation for this.

Isaiah 52:13-53:12 “See my servant will act wisely; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted. Just as there were many who were appalled at him - his appearance was disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness - so will he sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.

Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way, and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the LORD’S will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

Riff-Raff:

why does a god need to die 2 forgive his own creation. does it make sense.

Abuzoooooo:

Yeah he is accursed, a criminal, thats why he couldn't save himsel

Niyi53:

The Jesus whom we muslims revere is not the Jesus who died on the cross. GOD said He loves mercy and not sacrifice, why are you now trying to force upon God what He doesnt like?moreover I would like to ask the christians whether those who were before Jesus were sinners and if there was no righteous person among then?

Look,God is not in need of any sacrifice before he can forgive sins.

All what God wants is that people themselves should repent, leave their sins and pray to Him for mercy. GOD has very kindly told us that:but if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statues and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.(Ezekiel 18:21)

i desire mercy and not sacrifice (matt. 9:13, 12:7). How can you know what God wants, when he says this? ?

Moreover what sin are you having that he came to redeem from you that those before Jesus were not redeemed from

Niyi53:

The plan of the jews is to kill jesus christ because they think he is a false prophet. According to their law, a person who dies on the cross is an accursed of God(deut 21:23), and Jesus is not. If therefore the christian accept that jesus died on the cross, then the jews would be right for denying him, if they are not,then the christians should give an explanation for this.

Niyi53:


The God you are claiming to have given his son out for redeemtion of sin seems to be merciless and crooked. He says all souls shall bear their sins themselves, But he is forcing his son, who is not willing to sacrifice his self,because of others. This is an injustice to his son. Moreover he said he can forgive,why cant he does so without the help of any one?

Important note: Do you know that the sins which you said Jesus has redeemed you from is still not removed? You said it was the sins of Adam and Eve and the punishment which was given to them is still been served by every body, even when you were given birth to, your mother cannot say that the process is easy, nor your father or you your self cannot say that you are not striving for your own livelihood.

Therefore, a christian should pls explain to me the sin which Jesus has redeemed him from.     

Niyi53:


The God you are claiming to have given his son out for redeemtion of sin seems to be merciless and crooked. He says all souls shall bear their sins themselves, But he is forcing his son, who is not willing to sacrifice his self,because of others. This is an injustice to his son. Moreover he said he can forgive,why cant he does so without the help of any one?

Important note: Do you know that the sins which you said Jesus has redeemed you from is still not removed? You said it was the sins of Adam and Eve and the punishment which was given to them is still been served by every body, even when you were given birth to, your mother cannot say that the process is easy, nor your father or you your self cannot say that you are not striving for your own livelihood.

Therefore, a christian should pls explain to me the sin which Jesus has redeemed him from.

Romans 5:12; 17-18 KJV:


¹²Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

¹⁷For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

¹⁸Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Romans 5:12; 17-18 AMP:


¹²Therefore, as sin came into the world through one man, and death as the result of sin, so death spread to all men, [no one being able to stop it or to escape its power] because all men sinned

¹⁷For if because of one man's trespass (lapse, offense) death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive [God's] overflowing grace (unmerited favor) and the free gift of righteousness [putting them into right standing with Himself] reign as kings in life through the one Man Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

¹⁸Well then, as one man's trespass [one man's false step and falling away led] to condemnation for all men, so one Man's act of righteousness [LEADS] to acquittal and right standing with God and life for all men.

@OP;
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The plan of the jews is  to kill jesus christ because they think he is a false prophet. According to their law, a person who dies on the cross is an accursed of God(deut 21:23), and Jesus is not. If therefore the christian accept that jesus died on the cross, then the jews would be right for denying him, if they are not,then the christians should give an explanation for this.

The funny thing about your post is that Christians have never denied the death of Jesus on the cross. The other funny thing is the scripture you quoted that any body who dies on a cross is accursed is also from the Christian Bible, and we never deny that, the reason been that the death of Jesus on the cross  is the most amazing thing ever that God would do for us, especially since Jesus never committed any sin,  so He BECAME a curse on our behalf:

Galatians 3:13
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree" Deut. 21:22-23*)"

*Deuteronomy 21:22-23
"If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God."

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Isaiah 52:13-53:12 “See my servant will act wisely; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted. Just as there were many who were appalled at him - his appearance was disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness - so will he sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.

Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way, and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.  By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the LORD’S will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

I can already see the inside of your heart. A confused soul is accursed.

note that this verse is a letter at best from others, giving their own wishful thinking about Jesus. What did jesus say about himself having an accursed soul, yet still God and God Son and SAvior, etc? Anybody want in on this because i know nezan will not be able to come up with anything.

And this is God and or a savior who is accursed, and cant wash himself clean from such evil thing, remained curse? And you depend on somebody like that for your spiritual success?

there is no proof that this is referring to jesus since there is no name mentioned and wasnt another prophet raised or lifted? moses among the children of israel was highly exalted, way more than jesus would ever will in the history of the children of israel!

cursed soul is a rejected and condemned soul. this does not mean that soul is cursed for you or your soul! this is your archilles heel. prove it!

abuzola999:

'And remember the Day when the wrong doer will bite at his hands, he will say ,'oh ! Would i have taken the path of the messenger (Muhammad).

Ah ! Woe to me ! Would i have never taken so and so as an intimate friend.

He indeed led me astray from the reminder (Quran) after it had come to me.

And satan to man is ever a deserter in the hour of need'
Quran 25:27-29

Nezan:

@olabowale;Jesus is presently sitteth at the right hand of YHWH, so this can never be my archilles heel. What can a rejected and condemned soul be doing by YHWH's right hand? This alone marks out your ignorance!