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This night tinkering for sound sleep. My redundant/idle 100ah battery commissioned for fan use solely. It is at the lowest already(too low for TV and not charged for over 3 months now, I think). Let's see how long it will take the fan to fully discharge it. I shall charge the battery all day tomorrow, measure it and then properly see how long it will "carry" the fan. Incidentally, my harvest today is 105ah.
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Replace the lead acid battery with lithium ion / lithium polymer battery. The battery protection circuit in most of the rechargeable fans are poorly design which in no time kill the battery. To get optimum performance from the rechargeable fan replace it with lithium battery I looked the way of li-on batteries too but my fear Is this "catch fire, catch fire" issue everybody keeps talking about li-on batteries. I can't afford the ready made and will have to build one myself. Hence my increased fear. Supposing a member of my family made a mistake or something happens? I am hardly home. |
Penuelseun:Noted. Thanks. I have also looked at the possibility. |
solasola:I have a method I drew up for this: I will install a changeover switch between cc and wires separately to both batteries so I can decide which one to charge; it will not be simultaneous, either 200ah or 100ah at any one time. |
solasola:You mean 6? |
[quote author=solasola post=84916919][/quote]90watts for a panel quoted as 150watts. Hmnn. Physics master used to tell us efficiency is not 100%. This is about 60% |
solasola:True. So far you don't exceed. But how about period of surge, intermittent surge maybe due to good weather when harvest is good. Anyway we are approaching dry season so you can check the max surge harvest possible . You just opened my eyes to possibility of increasing my panels without changing my cc. I intend buying a 100a pwm cc from Ali express anytime soon. I am targeting 1500watts because of my fridge but will stay 12v rather than 24v. I need to be proactive and forward looking. I would love to go 24v but coughing out 200+k anytime there is need for battery replacement is my fear. So I'd rather stay 12v. Worst is I will power fridge once in 3 days during sunhours. My fridge draws 130watts and another deep freezer draws 140watts. 1500watts panels should do it. |
House what is the implication of replacing a 4.5ah battery with 7ah or 9ah aside longer run time? I have replaced the follow come battery of my new fan with 7ah battery. One of the reasons I opted for the fan make/model is the 12v battery rather than the 6v models. One other thing, battery gurus and general house. Must a battery be always upside up or I can place it sideways. I ask because if I place the battery sideways, it will enter the battery slot/compartment of the fan and I will be able to replace the cover. See attached pictures. Pix1 will ensure battery enters the slot and cover replaced but it will stand sideways and not upright. Pix2 is upright but battery will sit outside the battery slot. Another question. My bad 5yearold 100ah battery has been idle for months now. Before I stopped using it, it serves during sun hours but lasts 1.5hours after sundown. If I replace the follow come fan battery with it, what is the effect? I am looking at two options 1: charge it with solar via cc once in maybe 5 days or as need arises. 2: allow fan to charge it during sun hours when inverter is on as the need arises. Problem I envisage is with option 2. It means I shall be drawing from inverter to charge it thus my main 200ah battery will suffer it as it may not charge fully since the inverter will be pull load to charge the 100ah battery by way of the fan. Hence my resolve to charge only during sun hour. Pls attack the proposal and give suggestions for improvement . Thanks
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solasola:House, for argument /education case. What happens if I exceed the max panel input of the cc? |
earthrealm:Challenges we low budget DIY enthusiasts have! Before going the DIY way, ensure you read and consult extensively else one quack "expert" will install nonsense for you. Imagine an "expert" using a 12v cc for a 48v setup! But if you are enlightenened before you call him, his response to your questions will show you if he is an expert or not. I went the DIY way and learnt a lot. I am now an "expert" but won't contemplate installing for people except we consult the true experts as we go along. For example, I had a 12v inverter and almost ordered 200 or 250 watts panels(which are 24v)but for my studies and queries. Thanks to the georgeD, kiekie and others, I achieved a near perfect setup but I read and consulted extensively. My take is don't venture into anything without first getting info on it. |
godspeed:This is what he meant
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solasola:As you rightly said, we have similar set up. With 600watts panels, your cc should be 60a and not 40a. You can only add one more 150watts panel to it to max at 750watts. The 30watts left is of no use.
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godspeed:Your cc has a Max input it can take, anything above is not good. My cc: 40a pwm cc will take 500 watts for 12v set up and 1000 for 24v set up. The 60a is 780watts and 1560watts respectively. Check the specs of your cc, it is there. |
Harvest today 1118-1025=95. Didn't pay much attention to these readings before. Just recorded daily logs, looked at it once or twice, without doing the analysis especially since it is serving me well. I thought dry season should bring better harvest. I will wait till month end and then change to mppt for one month too and see the difference.
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For those who followed my quest for DC fan, I finally got 18 inches 40watts boscon standing fan. Got it 21k each from Alaba via a friend. It is still being charged.
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godspeed:I just checked and did the calculations. Highest has been 143ah on 8/12/19 and lowest 81ah on 12/12/19. Today is 86ah. Thanks for calling my attention to this. I need to look at the panels for dirt. Total harvest is 1025 in 10 days. But it seems my son did a reset on 7/12/19 or 8/12/19 cos 9/12/19 has no record, but I am not too sure. The readings were taken from the pwm CC display. House, I have a question. Does the cc record havest irrespective of load on it or load affects the reading. My thoughts is that harvest record should not be affected by load as the cc records what passed through it and not what use the yield is put to. If 100ah passes through it and 50ah load is being drawn on the go, battery will suffer it by getting only the 50ah balance. Am I correct? I ask because from the calculations I did, I noticed drops in yield these few days. But if load affects harvest, then I understand the drop. RCCG is having convention and TV is suffering it.
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godspeed:I doubt that but will have to check. I didn't keep harvest logs. I only started logging from 1st of December. I am currently out of town but will post the details once I get back. I know I have seen 140 |
[quote author=godspeed post=84832668]So I washed the panels as advised and changed the position of the two panels putting one on the east side and the other on the west site in an inverted 'v' format, aligning with the top of the roof, now the harvest has improved to about 60AH. My question is: is this the optimum I can get for this set up? There is a guy with a similar set up here who claims he gets a full charge everyday [/quote Yesterday was 145ah with the ox fan on for 1pm till 5pm With similar setup (600watts) panels in parallel and pwm controller, I have been recording not less than 100ah daily. And I use 130watts ox fan at times. |
sinceraconcept:This is the dumbest comment I have read |
Can someone please give the name of this controller and if it is truly mppt. Is anyone using it? Cost of 60amp version and where to get it will be appreciated . I saw it on Ali express but shipping cost is high. Thanks.
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tchijioke:That is why I asked for your cc size |
Six 200watts panels, three 200ah batteries. What sort of controller are your using? From advise given mewhen I asked an almost similar question, if he has a mppt controller whose capacity can accommodate the load, cant he go series with the panels and push it into the 12v inverter. My only concern is will the panels take the three batteries home ie charge them to full. Alternatively, cant he connect 4 of the panels and leave two in storage till he gets 24v inverter? But again, batteries will not be charged fully. |
earthrealm:Battery, inverter, panel=12v: Controller is 12v/24v mppt. With this recommended connection, won't I be having 24v which is against the system voltage of 12v? Or is it the advantage of mppt? |
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dragnet:"you would have 2 strings each made up of 2 strings in parallel, which you then parallel" Is this what you mean?
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Thanks all. You have all spoken from your various wealth of experience. A difference of opinion is what facilitate learning. Don't let us have a dogmatic opinion; it doesn't help development. I have read all but have not digested. Someone should pls review the conflicting opinions and find a common ground which you can all still review. If possible and the means available, experiment on the postulations and give your findings. Then we can all update our knowledge. The Einsteins of this world made name by challenging the stats quo. I got here by challenging myself daily. The person that introduced me to inverter technology is now my neighbor. Isnt it funny that he still burn fuel via generator daily while my generator has been idle for some time now yet I have light 24/7. He recently got a sunking 60 for 34K while i built something slightly bigger for half the price for my mum, with your help via your answers. That is the power of an open mind. Pls let's criticize constructively. My 4×150watts panels are currently wired in parallel to a powmr mppt cc and still using the 12v inverter. The yield seem lower than when I was using pwn cc. That was why i contemplated series wiring. But I guess that is due to the incessant rains. If rain is not the culprit, I shall revert to pwm cc for the time being while I brainstorm on what next. "you should try and stick to system voltage, ie 12v panel, 12v CC, 12V INVERTER MPPT, YOU ONLY LIMITING FACTOR IS CC max input voltage" The above is my understanding before all this differences in opinion. PS: Sorry for my long essay |
Pls is this li on battery? I saw it for 550 naira each. I am planning to use 8 of it to build power bank for my phones. I learnt it is sold for about 1500 each. That is why I ask to confirm before I comot myself? This one is 4200mAh. Is it ok at the price? How much is each sold for. Thanks
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kiekie1:Oga na wa o. All your products na for "big" men, you no dey consider us sha? Your last advert was for a 164k product which is twice my monthly salary. |
@kadorzy Thank you. You have solved a source of headache. Well I shall stay with my 12v till I am able to get 24v inverter. |
SolnergyPower:Thanks. I have a question. If I connect the panels in series, it becomes 24v which the cc can accommodate. But my inverter is 12v. If 24v enters the cc, will the cc change it to 12v that is the inverter intake? My understanding is that since my inverter is 12v, I must ensure everything stays 12v. So no series connection as that is adding voltage. I ask this question because I have another 600watts(150watts×4) panels wired in parallel to a 12v/24v 60a pwm cc because of my 12v inverter. So will 24v(12v+12v series string connection) inputed to 12v/24v convert and output as12v for 12v inverter? |
mctfopt:I just completed the wiring for the installation; lights only for now(5×5watts DC bulbs) since inverter is not presently available. With the above connection, how long(hours) will it take the panel to charge two of the battery above(connected in parallel) to be fully charged at 50% dod if sunhour is (8hrs)9am to 5pm? |
SolnergyPower:Given the enclosed specs, can I connect the panel to the battery via the controller? I ask because battery is 12v, controller is 12/24v and panel is 18v. I know battery and controller are compatible but panel? My question: 1.If a controller says 12v/24v, does it mean it can take voltages that are between 12 volts and 24volts(thus take 18volts) or it means it will only take either 12volts or 24volts. Thanks. Picture is Panel specs and PWM controller(40a)specs.
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