₦airaland Forum

bqoND:
I Support them on this, u ain't a Muslim what u doing there bro.

What are atheists doing here?

01Mysticdon:
he seems to be an Atheist

Islam is already destroying itself all over the world. The major focus of atheists is christianity. But they are in for a life time in this fight.

Truthman83:
I must also thank the nairaland religious section for helping me turn proper atheist!

The Irony. A religion section helped convert this dude.

This section was created to evangelize to atheists, its obvious. Innocent religious people come in here to share their beliefs in God with other religious individuals and are faced with angry atheists. They wont have much converts if the title of the section is changed to atheist section, for christians wont go there. Its the best strategy to evangelize atheism to religious individuals through a section camouflaged as religion section. It is a deceptive strategy too.
Deception is allowed since there's no one to answer to, anything goes.

Se.un doing a good job though. I dread Mark Zuckerberg being like this guy, it would have been disastrous.

An0nimus:
Seun please respond to naijababe's detailed reply to your first post.

He cant. If he does, it will be the usual unsupported and ignorant claims. I used to think he was so smart. He is not as smart. He is just an atheist who gets angry by the day.

lionness:
I was in church today and was verse of the Bible was quoted by my pastor: 1 Samuel 17:36 ► "Your servant has struck down both lions and bears, and this uncircumcised Philistine (Goliath) shall be like one of them, for he has defied the armies of the living God.”

This statement bothered me because I did my masters in the UK in Zoology, and distinctly remembered learning that Lions are mainly found in Africa, and a tiny species in only India. The rest are found in zoos. Now could a lion be in Israel? And then, the word "Bears" also confused me. There are different types of bears in Asia, and I learn years ago that they are called Asian black bears, and they are only found in a different topography of Asia, and never in the Middle East, and the Asian Black Bears only feed on fruits, grasses, and insects, and could have never been a treat to David sheep. And these bears are only found in China, Bangladesh, and Russia, and they are the size of Pandas.

I dont often question the teachings of the Bible, but this gross discrepancy got me confused. And please dont tell me I dont have faith, my entire families are Christian, and my own father was the pastor who quoted this verse this morning while preaching in his church. I need an explanation.

God bless you sweetheart. It is perfectly okay to ask questions, but you have to mind where and whom you ask.

This forum will not give you the answers you need, especially with respect to religion. This section especially was subtly created and falsely named religion section, the main aim of the section is to evangelize atheism. It targets people who are a bit weak in the faith and people like you who have questions. Thats why i'm not too active here but my brother is.

I believe these links will give you the answers you seek;

www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=41&sub=802&cat_name=Bible+Animals&subcat_name=Lion‎

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www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=41&sub=818&cat_name=Bible+Animals&subcat_name=Bear

God bless you.‎

good reasons.

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And so what should we do? Are we called to be like false prophets or to be like Christ.

We are Christ-ians not Pastor-ians.

Nairaland should keep moving such topics to front page to mock christianity in their atheistic evangelism agenda.

We know our God, we will keep serving our God.

lol

Weah96:
The truth is always better than make-believe falsehood. Don't you agree?

Why?

Wicked people!

Seun:
I'm not asking atheists to become street preachers. They just need to speak up sometimes and say, "I disagree with that, and here's why."

What if we dont care why you disagree, will you keep your disagreement to yourself then?

naijababe:
Religious people are suffering ? How? Explain please with succinct and specific examples, thank you very much.



Proselytising much? Like seriously, you believe that if you free me from what you call my delusion I will live a better life like you? I see your viewpoint which plainly dictates that you are living a better life than I am because you are an atheist and I am not! And if I am not mistaken, you are suggesting that we should all embrace 'Hedonism', just seek pleasure over pain, in fact emphatically self-pleasure, right? This is one of the questions of the ages but by choice I choose a life that has some restraint over one with total freedom, I have a sweet tooth and would drink more than a bottle of Merlot everyday, in reality, I am free to do as wish but I know enjoying these 'vices' without restraint will lead certainly to one of two things, early death or a life of ill health, take your pick, my pick is to enjoy my 'vices' with some restraint. Besides, complete freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort et al lose their appeal in the absence of their antithesis, just as I tell my 6 year old son, nothing will be special about his birthdays if he has one everyday. Also, not everyone wants to live a life based on your definition of a better life, ever heard of Buddha? Nice little prince born into affluence who perhaps sought for more than the pleasurable life beyond the 4 walls of the palace?.

For many, a better life is beyond money, comfort and pleasure. There is such a thing as contentment, I know it a concept that is by and large alien to the Nigerian society but it exists, you should give it try.
I am a person of faith and I came to the knowledge of what I am by knowledge and choice, while many not be that spiritually matured to be that way, a bigger majority are. You need to come down from your high horse and acknowledge that many make these choices deliberately and consciously.

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Of course, this drivel will not be complete without a dig at JW or one sect or another, I can also say that many atheist also choose euthanasia/DNR just because they don't want to suffer and then deprive their loved ones of their love and perhaps drive them to a life of addiction and depression. Is doing it for hedonistic reasons more admirable?



You need to open your world view a bit, just using the tiny sample size in mini Ogun State and perhaps Nigeria will not cut it. Religion is perhaps responsible for some of the finest forms of music, poetry, fine art and so on, I can argue that many of these self expressions have their in religion and the contribution of religion, the religious and influence of religion on the non-religion cannot be ignored. I mean common man, the kind of cult following perpetrated in Nigeria is not always a definition of the religious or religion.



Another crass generalisation, none of the Eastern religions believe in the afterlife as you describe above but in reincarnation, the concept is even completely non existent in Judaism; only Islam and Christianity subscribe to the afterlife thesis. Now, moving along, I don't know where you got the idea that they believe they have to endure miserable lives in exchange for an imaginary paradise, even in Nigeria, that is a big fat giant lie, in fact the reason why pastors/alfas in Nigeria have a cult following is because the followers want to live 'BETTER LIVES' . Have you noticed that the mental oppressed are the uneducated? Given your well meaning position, what are you doing about that? I have often told people, if you want to know what life was like in medieval Europe, just go to Nigeria, where all power belonged to the clergy and the aristocrats, in current Nigeria substitute aristocrats for politicians. With the advent of Gutenberg's printing press, the Bible became readily available and education no longer remained an exclusive right of titled men or men in robes. That perhaps gave birth to one of the finest periods in history, The Renaissance, otherwise known as the age of Enlightenment, while religion was questioned, it also matured, giving rise more matured and alternative viewpoints some of which persists today. You should consider other 'isms' other than atheism, many religious people have and still choose theism.



Another preposterous generalisation largely applicable to Nigeria, I could argue the disadvantages of democracy on the basis of how it is practiced in Nigeria. The Red Cross has its origins in Christianity as its founder Henry Dunant died a christian and there are many organisations doing similar voluntarily. In fact forget the Red Cross, the Anglican and Catholic movements, Ansarud-deen and Ahmadiyya are the reasons many of our parents were able to get an education. Just because some reprehensible and self-aggrandising elements have hijacked religion in your part of the world does not make religion wholly responsible.

I don't know where you get your facts from, even the 'Amish' would go hospital if need be. As for prayer, I am sure you know what the placebo effect is, look it up if you you don't know, doctors or science are yet to explain what is responsible for it, there is something belief does for the psyche.



Another Nigerian stereotype, I just tire.

I am against abortion because I am pro-life, in my opinion, it is irresponsible to have sex and get pregnant in this day and age when so many precautionary measures abound, as an abortion apologist, I'd like to ask how abortion can/will encourage any form of sexual accountability when a teenager knows there is always an option of getting an abortion? Feel free to enlighten us please. By the way, there's a reason why AIDS exploded in the 80s, look that up too.

Just in case you are ignorant of the facts, abstinence does more than preventing unwanted pregnancies, funny that this paragraph ignores the many ills of premarital sex such as STDs, HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and sexual depravity as result of not being emotionally ready to engage in sex I can't shout abeg.

Religious people are against religious education Lord have mercy, where do you live, what kind people live around you?



Funny that you chose to cleverly ignore women like Esther, Abigail, Deborah, Lydia, Phoebe or women in Islam such as Aisha, Khadijah, Miriam the wife of Firiaoun or Fatima al-Fihri, look her up, she established the first and oldest university in Morrocco. I will forgive that slight, as an atheist your sojourn into religion is to find only what is wrong never what is right so you may be forgiven for your ignorance of the women above but what about women like Indira Gandhi, Marie Curie, Angela Merkel or even me, naijababe? What the hell is wrong with you man? I expected better from you, you have limited your viewpoints to insipid and parochial conjectures. Taking you seriously henceforth will be a challenge if you continue to state your opinion as facts, even your modern day father Richard Dawkins does better than this, learn a few things from him and the way he writes the next time you wish to write to your well meaning and liberating posts, but exercise some caution cause even he is losing credibility.

Of course, never mind that this is largely based on illiteracy rather than religion, try again please. How many times have you seen the children of well educated middle-class family given any of the labels above? It is always the uneducated and poor. ' Mental Oppression, much!'



Feel free to speak out, it is your God given right, spare me your superiority complex however and stick to the facts. Shalom!

Dayuw!!! Can I say I love you?

shaybebaby:
Try empathy, imagine what it feels like to be someone and on the receiving end of your actions.

Some people dont want to live, and they dont want you to either. Have you considered that.?

Is irreligion the same as atheism?

Geofavor:
You've just said what has been on my mind for some time now.

A lot of people keep their cool because of their because of their religious beliefs. Take that away, and this world won't contain us anymore.

Everyone would define what is good and bad in his or her own way.

For example, Since there is no god( hence no eternal punishment), some people might think it okay to kill people for fun.

Just imagine a world where no one believes in any god; anything will go in that kinda world. Religion actually keeps the world in check.

The world operates based on the rules of religion. Although some of their rules are absurd, every religion preaches peace in one way or the other. And most people easily adhere to it because they believe it was set by one supreme being or the other. Now, If -- in a world where no one beliefs in a supreme being -- we humans decide to make a peace rule, it will not hold. No one would step down for anyone, No one would want to serve anyone and so on.

Religion is one of the factors that keep this world balanced. Take it out, and humanity is doomed!

Let's just leave people to believe what they want and try to be good people.

Somehow, just somehow, seun and other atheist assume that every one wants to live the family man life. Some people want to go about on a killing spree because it makes them happy, who are atheists to tell these ones what to do.

Acidosis:
I don't have to read the posts here, but why don't you all spend your time preaching against illiteracy?

Illiteracy rate in Nigeria is high; we have more illiterate than religious folks. Many people don't go to Churches by the way. However, we have more agberos on the streets of Lagos who cannot compose the simplest English statement.

To persons (e.g. me) who had the opportunity to gain education, sorry, a million atheists cannot convince me that there is no supreme being somewhere. Don't waste your time. We have gained enough education to know what's best for us.

Channel this energy to Illiteracy rate, it is almost higher in Nigeria than any nation in the world. (#fact from Data).

According yo atheists, religion is the cause of illiteracy ann all societal negatives.

ccffwx:
Some Christians peddle the idea that women must submit to men because man was made first blablabla. GOD created man and woman, none is superior to the other. Men and women were also charged to submit to one another not because anyone is superior (as touted by inferiority complex people) but in submission to the will of GOD. Whoever accepts that man is superior to woman BS as coming from GOD needs to hear from GOD and not confused preachers. Seun you might want to clarify this in your post.

Seun does not believe in the existence of God or gods.

Seun Osewa. Nigeria's foremost High Priest of Atheism. I pray and hope you retrace your steps before it is too late.

hopefulLandlord:
Its no use talking to you
My apologies if you find that insulting

No I dont. Thanks.

hopefulLandlord:
Good, now open your holy book and point out "evil" carried out by atheists

Bring that and we'll talk


Bros, everyone of the 5000 gods' worshippers believe their god to be true, I believe by "God", you mean " Yahweh"; since they have just as much "proof" as you have, it only makes sense to us that we stay the way we are, after all anyone and everyone of those 5000 gods could be wrong, the reason you reject the other 4999 is why I reject yours


Most of you are theists because you want god to be real


Then that same God of yours carried out many things that you and I would call "evil" if it were done by any of the other 4999; if you doubt this, kindly read your book and wherever your god commanded people to kill innocent children, punish innocent people for Abraham's lies e.t.c, when you get to such places, replace the name of your god there with Vishnu and judge for yourself; I know you'll have excuses ready but other religions have excuses for the "evil" their gods did too



One of your believers with a huge level of faith has decided to make an amputee's limbs grow right before our eyes with the name of Jesus, when I see that work, I'll join you


I'm sure Buddhism is a "devilish one"

Islam is a "devilish one"

Hinduism is a "devilish one"

Anyone who doesn't share your belief is a "devilish one"

Even Christians themselves can't agree on which one is right, Jehovah's witnesses believe only them is following the doctrine

Catholics believe only them is following the doctrine

And it divides and keeps dividing

No need going too far to confirm that, you can see such arguments here on Nairaland, just look in threads and you'll see them call each other "the devil"

We have heard all these severally from other atheists. Do you have anything else to say?.

FearGodAndLive:
There's stupidity.. and then there's the Nigerian stupidity - steeped in proud ignorance. Unwilling to learn, change or absorb new information.

That's all I see here.

Okay. Whats the definition of your own version of atheism?

efismikoko:
Nice please research the poorest people in the world too

I started my success as a christian even with all the talk that my step mother will never want me successful
Now this is my point although I was a christian I dint have that mentality that I should be poor neither can someone tie my success so I worked very hard without listening to pastors asking me to pray. I also never believed in devil and his powers as a christian
Now this is the thing the fact that these people are rich and are christians does not mean they follow the principles of God they can at one point in time defiled these God principles just to be successful, so at anytime they defile these principles they were athiest at that point very funny se me sef laugh but it's true

The poorest countries are african countries. When europe was largely christian, it prospered. Same with America. Like winner01 said, Africa is its own problem.

Thoniameek:
I saw a thread by seun calling on his fellow Nigerian atheist to become outspoken.... I mean not just here on nairaland anymore but out there to Nigerians. And all I could think of is 'disciples'.

What an average Nigerian need is proper education not hopelessness in form of atheism

Try to imagine the majority illiterate Nigerians having the mentality of most of the atheist on here, and imagine what state Nigeria will be in - I laugh in China. They make it seem like atheism is one savior the whorld needs.

As if atheism makes everything better

As if atheism brings peace

As if atheism helps me love better

As if atheism makes me blind to the flaws of others

And as if atheism makes wiser..... They should tell that to the lot of illiterate Nigerians (Not my great grandma that have been a witch and been dilivered and seen the power of God work)

Goodluck to telling the witches in edo state that

My late uncle was the member of a popular cult in Nigeria. He found peace with Jesus befire he died. Jesus turns peoples lives around.

efismikoko:
Are you serious well you have not met me sha
Well I dint become an athiest because of emotional trauma of any sort neither drug poo
Nice article but this just makes people lazy
A widow whom has not been paid for months don't need to steal all she need is work harder look for another good source of income to sustain herself than relying on manner from heaven which will not come and so does the girl that was raped she should focus her energy on how to get justice than relying on justice from a fairy god.

The Bible has made us lazy kai when a poor man see a rich man he says it's his destiny to be rich while his own destiny is to be poor. Instead of him to work harder use his brain however he can to be successful he listens to one pastor that tells him God said HE WILL FAVOUR WHO HE WILL FAVOUR making the poor either to fast and pray for God's favour or takes heart that he is not to be favoured by God

Listen this earth belongs to all of us we are all equal and we have equal right we need to kill that mentality that some people should be successful while others shouldn't and this mentality came from religious people abeg

You're right to some extent.
But God does not have bad plans for anyone, His plans are to give us a future and a Hope. The Bible also discourages laziness and encourages hardwork.
No one takes heart that he is not to be favoured by God, that is not christian-like

The girl who was raped could get justice by vengeance because of the lawlessness that fills the system.
I wonder those who have this mentality that some should be successful and some shouldnt, they are definately not true christians. Ive never met such people.

jnrbayano:
Seu comes across to me as that very Pharaoh whose heart was hardened unto destruction.

I pray for you though.

Its just odd that some nairalanders compare this guy with zuckerberg. This guy has a terribly serious agenda.

And so God does not exist right?

If you honestly cared about human life, you will focus more on the lives lost to islam on a daily basis and not just wage war against christianity.

Whenever you're not waging war against christianity, i noticed you tend to bring all religion together.

I get the tactics: Islam is self-destructive and so lets put christianity on the same page with them. Great job.

Just two pieces of advise: Keep it up and evaluate your actions later on in life.

jagugu88li:
My guess is they would open an atheist section without hesitation, they just need a proper plea and it's done

Then they wont be able to subtly convert any more christians if they do. And the atheists will be bored and have nothing to talk about. Cos several plea's have been tendered here since I can remember.

Pidggin:
I see

Try to do what I asked you to do, with a different moniker though.

Just frame up your story and open threads like "Christian converts to Islam", trust me the mods may even modify the title to "Holy born again pastor converts to islam".

Or threads like "My christian parents wont let me join atheism", "pastor rapes child" or "Pastor caught in armed robbery", just anything negative about pastors or christianity.

Link it to a blog too, trust me in seconds, you'll see it on front page.

Its been going on for quite a while.

More people are noticing the subtle plot and thats a good thing.

Elohim1:
@Touchnot01 If U Looking For A Country That Has More Of It Population As Atheist Then U Should Look In South Korea

Dont you have brains?

Does no formal religion = atheism?

Ranchhoddas:
Answer truthfully. Do atheist threads make front page more than christian threads?

You do not need a reply.


People can do a count on how many threads defaming pastors and christianity will make front page over the next 5 days.