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Posted by: Bastage

What a load of contradictory bullshit. Your version of Salvation is only free if you sell yourself into slavery.

You are right, salvation is slavery to righteousness. You are already a slave to sin and on the way to hell (you means everybody). Christ gives an opportunity free of cost to turn to righteousness through repentance and washing by his blood shed on the cross for you. He pays it all, take it or pay for your sins all by yourself - it is guaranteed that the self repayment option will be long(eternal) and intolerably hot(hell).

I chose the loving option offered by Jesus and blessed.

Blessings to you also,

m_nwankwo:
However hell is not eternal for it is the work of man and not a divine institution.

MN:
Your interpretation is incorrect. The Bible says Hell is eternal and the punishment eternal forever. 

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. ,  The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Rev 20:10-15

m_nwankwo:
Hell came into existence as a result of the misapplication of the neutral power of God by man.

If heaven is for man what is devil doing in it? What was the punishment for devil's rebellion? Heaven was created for devil, man has been an addition.

m_nwankwo:
The evil volitions of men took on form and became hell. A description of the horrors in these dark regions will be regarded as flight of fancy or fiction. Thus there is no point in reproducing real life description of what happens in hell.

MN: you are in error as you dont know the scriptures. Listen to what the Bible has to say about hell. This portion refers to torment, heat, agony, fire. There is also repentance, but its too late to repent in hell, repentance after death means nothing. It has to be now and here.
In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' Luke 16:23-26

m_nwankwo:
Souls remain in hell as long as they are still following their evil passions. It is however possible to still repent in hell although it is very much more difficult than on earth. Some few souls manage to repent in hell. Thus their is unbelievable torment in hell but the torment of the souls are not eternal except the souls refuse to repent. In this later case they remain trapped in hell until t hell comes into the judjement of God and is disintegrated and human souls trapped in hell will also be dinintegrated, that is they cease to exist, that is effacement from the book of life.

Not true message by MN. The punishment of hell is eternal. Repentance in hell has no meaning nor redemption. There is no such thing as disintegrating and effacement of souls. Hell and torment are eternal according to the Bible.

On the actual thread: Yes, Jesus did know Judas will betray him. He said this to the disciples even at the last supper that one of you will betray me. There are other references to show he knew this and he knew all things about men.

m_nwankwo:
I think I have given enough reasons why sacrifice of animal, human or even the blood of the physical body of the son of God is evil. I have also given reasons why the crucifixtion of Jesus is a crime commited against God and why the death of Jesus did not bring redemption. But then people are free to believe whatever the wish to. Stay blessed.

mn: this is your interpretation, not what the Bible says. Crucifixtion of Jesus is not a crime against God. This was planned by God and nothing planned by God is evil. The heavens acknowledge that the blood of the Son of God, Jesus, was required for the redemption of man. Heavens acknowledge that Jesus brought about the salvation of those who believe through his blood.
And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." Rev 5

Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. Rev 13:8

For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 1Pet 1:18-20

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins, and without the sacrifice of Christ, there was no way a sinful man could ever go to heaven and stand before the God who lives in unapproachable light.

In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. , For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Heb 9:22-29

Blessings

Jesus said that who ever calls another person a fool is going to hell fire, but shortly after he said that he call others fools. even jesus can not live up to his own rules. . . .

Did Jesus say this? Maybe in your scriptures, certainly not in the Bible! You dont know the Bible so you misquote and thoroughly confused. Let the children of God handle their Father's word and you dont do that as it is a closed book for those who dont accept Christ.

All these are the writters intepretation and opinion of what is written in the bible.

Mazaje,
all your posts are your interpretations of the Bible. All your posts on this thread and some of what I read elsewhere are full of confusion, ridicule towards others, disrespect, rudeness, doubts, confusion, accusations, arrogance - no positive contribution and no desire to learn.

The more you try to speak against the Bible and Jesus, the more you are exposing yourself. God's word, The Bible, is like a mirror showing all that is written is true. You have acted just like it is written. If you accept the Bible, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

Nobody cares for your interpretations as you dont have peace yourself how can anybody believe your interpretations to give them answers to life questions! Your words dont lead you nowhere, much less a guide to anybody else.

I love Jesus as he died for me and the Bible has brought me peace, joy, wisdom and eternal hope for more than 15 years now. I have found answers to all my questions and problems from God through the Bible and by obeying and trusting in them all these years. I have got answers to all my needs therefore I believe in him all the more. He has always answered to all my needs - spiritual, physical, financial, emotional, sexual, etc. etc. any question or problem under the sun he has a way, God leads me all the time even when I fall - it is so wonderful to be his child. There is not one instance in all these 15 years when I can say God did not fulfill his promises. Eventhough I dont see God physically, I can say without doubt that the God of the Bible is the true and living God and the right choice for every human being and the only choice. He is with me all the time as he promised in John. I can feel him spiritually surround me all the time as be promised in Zacharia. Every word of God is true and trustworthy from Genesis to Revelation. He is worthy to be praised and glorified.

Its the greatest misfortune if an individual uses freewill to reject the God of the Bible and his son Jesus. Even now you can accept him and turn towards him, its not late, 11th hour is welcome.

Blessings.

Mazaje:

who is the devil have you ever seen him?

I have not seen you either, but I trust you exist and I know both of you! Should I believe that you don't exist?

there is no free will in the bible can you show me where such a word exist? i noticed that you did not even attempt to take on the passages i posted.

there is freewill in the Bible. It has been shared with you many times over, now go and search it if you have a free will.
You noticed quite well, now read the Bible well with a sincere heart, all your answers are there.

The same bible says that it is the same biblegod that hardens peoples hearts against him.

your FREEWILL. God gives salvation to the humble and hardens the wicked as he knows the hearts of men. he crowns the humble with salvation.

the bible was written by tribal fools who thought thatthe world expanded from the middle east to some parts of africa only. . . .

Your speech reveals about you, not about the Bible.

They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire , In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.

One main work of the devil is to accuse the children of God day and night, his other name is ACCUSER OF BROTHERS. Why are you taking that role.

he speaks in parable because he does not want people to understand so that they will not ask for forgiveness.

why are you ignoring the next verse?
For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
if you are interested and not hard hearted you can come, otherwise you will continue in your ways. Its YOU. I am telling it out of experience and you are speaking out of ignorance. If you repent of your sins and asked Jesus to come into your heart, you would not be saying all this and know for yourself who and what the Lord is and experience the truth.

The Lord says: For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

The Bible is not only for salvation but also death and judgement to those who reject it out of their FREEWILL:
But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him. For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life. And who is equal to such a task? Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

mazaje:
another meaningless apologetics you did not even care to address what is written in the bible.

Mazaje,
I dont have to listen to all that you are driving me to, I have the mind of Christ to respond to what is necessary. Here is the reason for not addressing the passages you posted (Abraham also did not listen to the rich fool shouting from hell after ignoring all the calls on earth, suddenly he becomes enlightened about Jesus and salvation on the wrong side of life):
'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'

So much has been said and you still are unable to hear!! How wonderful is the word of God in explaining this situation, so true and right 2000 years ago, I praise God!!
'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. "
What wisdom of God!! All glory to God!!

For this is what the LORD says: You will see neither wind nor rain, yet this valley will be filled with water, and you, your cattle and your other animals will drink. This is an easy thing in the eyes of the LORD; he will also hand Moab over to you. 2Kings 3 17-18

One obedient Jehosaphat was the cause of great victories, blessings and safety for all Judah and Israel. We too can walk it alone with God if we have no good company and still be a great blessing!

We should have a pure and God-fearing life like that of Jehosaphat. Then wherever we go, we will be successful even when we are in the midst of this wicked world like Moab and surrounded by false christians like Joram and Ahab.

For this is what the LORD says: You will see neither wind nor rain, yet this valley will be filled with water, and you, your cattle and your other animals will drink. This is an easy thing in the eyes of the LORD; he will also hand Moab over to you. 2Kings 3 17-18

One obedient Jehosaphat was the cause of great victories, blessings and safety for all Judah and Israel. We too can walk it alone with God if we have no good company and still be a great blessing!

We should have a pure and God-fearing life like that of Jehosaphat. Wherever we go, we will be successful even when we are in the midst of this wicked world and surrounded by false christians like Joram and Ahab.

sure i am posting because i want to show the inconsistences that lie in the free will argument.

Mazaje:
There are no inconsistencies in the freewill argument. Every word of the Bible is full of wisdom, knowledge and is perfect! It satisfies the soul absolutely! It is written that we are made in the image of God, so we have a freewill and so does God.

The reason for not understanding the Bible begins when a person comes on a high pedestal or superiority attitude or thinks about oneself as above God. Other reasons are the sinful nature and proud state of mind of a person which keeps from understanding. Every person who comes like a little child, in humility will receive grace and revelation of God. When people try to belittle God of the Bible, they will never understand.

A small example of carnal person trying to explain and argue about the teaching of God of the Bible is like a person born blind trying to teach about light to people who see. And if the blind challenges those who claim to see that there is actually nothing called light and all that they see and experience is inconsistencies, how can there be any communication!! Paul tried to tell King Agrippa against this same attitude of jews who tried to prove that the light Paul saw was no light! "So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. "

You are unable to understand the freewill of man vs freewill of God and foreknowledge of God.

If there was no freewill then you would not have the freedom to post against the Bible. There is freewill to chose Jesus or reject him. You have decided to chose the second so far. God will honor that when the silver chord of a person is severed and one has to stand before the creator and face judgement on the freewill choice made.

, the one that decides or predestines everything even before people were born, he chooses to take people to heaven or cast them into hell even before they were born. It seems you did not read what i posted above here are some of them again.e bible says that humans have no right to choose(free will) because the biblegod is

I am surprised that people who are trying to disapprove the Bible strangely miss out on so many of the promises and invitations of a loving, forgiving, restoring God. Why do you always try to quote only few out-of-context scriptures - are you prejudiced or ignorant of the treasures of love, forgiveness and blessings through Jesus? The nature of the God of the Bible is to save and forgive and a loving God. Consider the following scriptures and if you humble to accept his invitation, I can assure you of eternal joy and peace!:
"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

"Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?"

"For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!"

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

"I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness.


If you dont see God's love and forigveness through these - you have decided to stand against him.

Blessings,

Dear georgecso,

very true, and many a times it may be ignorance of the truth about Jesus that may be keeping people away from salvation. We should continue to share the truth, some may be genuinely unaware of the way of salvation, though others may be interested only in debating.

We should be looking for Sauls to turn to Pauls when light of Jesus is revealed to them. We cannot make out from the posts who is genuinely seeking and who is not, so we answer all of them with the same zeal and leave it to each ones own conscience to take a decision.

blessings,

If Jesus Is God Who Was Jesus Calling On In Matthews 27:46, When He Said Eli, Eli Lama Sabachtani, My God, My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?

Dear Horus,

Jesus was calling to the Father.

I see that you have 1,324 posts and so you must be well aware that christians believe in the trinity of God. When you still ask this question it is evident that you will follow up with the usual next question, and so on and I can see where one is headed to.

However, if you have desire, feel free to ask. If you are convinced that Jesus should not be followed, we should then stop disucussing and help those with our similar faith and not waste each other's time. I hope you agree.

Blessings,

Mazaje,

You contradict your thread by posting by your freewill!!

Why dont you answer the questions:

1) are you posting out of freewill or without thinking?
2) Do you have a freewill to reject Jesus or is this a thoughtless act?

blessings,

why should his word be taken more seriously than the words of the men that wrote the koran?

Mazaje,
You are free to follow Jesus, Allah, Buddha, David Koresh, Hitler, Osama, sun, moon, planets, parents, or nobody or yourself or even animals, plants, whatever you like - you have a freewill. But remember that the stake is your own soul - not money, property, country, family - its your own soul you are betting.

God has given us wisdom, conscience, understanding, his teachings, many witnesses and examples to help us make a choice of what is right and what is false. People are following Osama and are convinced that they have chosen the right way and are willing to die for their choice. You and I also have that freedom. We are responsible for our own souls. As far as I know, it doesnt take that much to know the truth of live - if any person is sincere and willing to listen to the truth without prejudice of being a christian, muslim, hindu then it is easy to arrive at a conclusion fairly easily and peacefully.

Many posters here are prejudiced, and come with a desire to bash the other without listening to what is being said in the wealth of posts - of course there is also rubbish added in between.

I have been walking with Jesus for 15 years but I am happy to learn new things through Huxley and many others who are critics of christianity. It would be nice if we can lower the criticism and debate or discuss in a positive way like the seekers of truth.

Blessings,

dear mazaje:

Every word of the Bible is true, divine and eternal - Praise God!

Its amazing that you yourself have proved with your own thread on freewill. I want to ask that your posts on freewill, are they out of freewill or not? I think they are and so the debate ends unless you claim to be a zombie.

I hope you will acknowledge the truth and walk in the light when it revealed and not continue to shut it out and keep walking in darkness.

blessings,

mazaje:

jesus never said any such thing, the writter of john said that not jesus, why should his word be taken more seriously than the words of the men that wrote the koran?

I am convinced and believe Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. If you want to follow the words of men that wrote koran, who is stopping you, its your decision and you have full freedom to do that. God give full knowledge of the truth, but the decision has to come from every individual. Judas decided to chose the way of death and destruction and nobody stopped him.

You too have the freedom. We are only presenting the truth.

mazaje:

Jesus never said any such thing, the writter of john said that not jesus, why should his word be taken more seriously than the words of the men that wrote the koran?

Mazaje, you are in error and dont know the Bible. It is written:
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

@ majaze:

What a very funny thread.

What is funny in the thread?

who are demons?

Demons are fallen angels, who tried to show they are above God and were shown their rightful places, thrown out of heaven, same fate awaits all others attempting the same goal.

have you ever seen any?

I have not seen, but believe the Bible's account of demons. My close blood relatives have seen and experienced them. I have experienced them.

just in case you have ever seen one can you tell us how they llok like and where they reside?

Demons are spirits, you can experience them through their actions or see them sometimes when they want to expose themselves. They reside, as I understand, in arid and dark places, or in persons who practice magic arts, or live in continuous sin, or live immoral lives, or live rebellious lives, or live violent abusive lives. Such people make a perfect home for the evil demons.

It seems you dont read the bible at all, jesus said that he speaks in parable so that people will not understand what he is saying because if they do they will be forgiven this clearly show that jesus does not want people to be forgiven.

You are in error regarding this scripture. You seem to delight in partial statements to suit your argument. You strangely dont quite that Jesus also said:[color=#990000] "Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.

and Jesus also said:
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

You are in error in saying Jesus does not want sinners to be forgiven, you have to expand your understanding of the scriptuers:
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

1-To Mary Magdalene disguised as a gardener. Why would a spirit have a disguise? . . .

@ Horus,
You are misinterpreting the scripture and also presenting only half the texts. I am not sure if this is a mistake you all are making or is it intentional mischief. If you are seeking the truth, you should be careful and not indulge in doing this. Here is the full text:

"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?"  Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him."

Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher).

Jesus did not disguise. Mary mistook him for a gardner. It is so true that when you have buried somebody you will not expect that person to be walking. If he was hiding why will he call her out. He reveals himself to the one who seeks Him truthfully and earnestly.

Dear Huxley,

1)  Curses an innocent fig tree that did not belong to him, thus killing it.

Jesus is perfect in all that he does. The fig tree didnt belong to you so you should stop making noise, let the owner come forward. Instead, your soul is at stake, cry for it, or else what happened to the fig tree would truly happen to you and anyone who doesnt believe. If you repent, eternity can be achieved - will pray for you. Jesus is the creator of the universe and does what pleases him and doesnt need to take advise from anybody, he is right and just in what he does.

2)  Cast some demons out and sent them into a herd of pigs that did not belong to him.

Jesus is perfect in all that he does. The pigs didnt belong to you so you should stop making noise, let the owner come forward. Your soul is at stake so one should stop acting like a pig or else the same fate awaits and will end up drowning for eternity. I bet you the owner of the pigs was born again and became a follower of Jesus and was happy that Jesus saved the lives of the whole city at the cost of those pigs, when Jesus returned to the same place again and fed 5,000 people with 5 bread and 2 pieces of fish, Luke 9.  Your should also drown your piggish ideas and receive the light of Jesus. He is the creator of the universe and does what pleases him and doesnt need to take advise from anybody, he is right and just in what he does.

3)  Stole (or took without permission) someone else's donkey.

Jesus is perfect in all that he does. Firstly, your statement is a lie, the Bible says something else, so you again prove yourself to be lying. Secondly, not your donkey I am sure, so stop making noise and let the owner come forward. You worry about your own soul that is in danger of perishing. Even the donkey submitted to the master and it is expected that humans can rise above the donkeys and submit to Jesus and welcome him to ride us. Jesus is the creator of the universe and does what pleases him and doesnt need to take advise from anybody, he is right and just in what he does.

Is this behaviour respectful of people's properties and the law on properties?

Universe does not question the behaviour of Jesus, but is your behaviour respectful. The one to ask such questions should have greater dignity first! Jesus is the creator of the universe and does what pleases him and doesnt need to take advise from anybody, he is right and just in what he does.

4)  Allowed his disciples to walk through someone else's corn field and harvesting corn for themselves without the owner's permission.  Worse still, this happened on the Sabbath.

Jesus is perfect in all that he does. How do you know it was without permission? Lies again, the truth is already in the Bible, you can read if you want answers. Jesus is the creator of the universe and does what pleases him and doesnt need to take advise from anybody, he is right and just in what he does.

5)  Caused a commotion at the temple by overturning the tables of some businessmen.

Jesus is perfect in what he does. You think all the people there were zombies! and only you got enlightened suddenly after 2000 years of this incident!! Why do you think nobody spoke when Jesus was doing this. He had no guns and no goons, yet they saw the power of his goodness and could not speak up. Its because all that he did was always right. Not only did he overturn the tables of people who were corrupting the temple, he even used the whip which you forgot to mention!!! Jesus is the creator of the universe and does what pleases him and doesnt need to take advise from anybody, he is right and just in what he does.

People who venerate this jerk have simply lost their minds.

Your fruits are evident. Time to repent and turn away from a mind and soul that stinks. A lot has been shared with you, this is what you may qualify for, God forbid.
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; [/b]
[b]For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life. And who is equal to such a task? Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.[color=#000099][/color]

hoping that you will chose blessings instead.

Dear Huxley,

1) Curses an innocent fig tree that did not belong to him, thus killing it.

Jesus is the Creator and Judge. This is an example of the order of things to come - the tree that does not bear fruit will be uprooted by the Master of the universe. Repent and bear fruit.

Jesus is loving: He is loving therefore he is warning through many examples, or else he could have done that to you and me. I took his grace and am saved, what about you? Your fruits are evident and will not stand the presence of the creator. Turn to your loving saviour Jesus who is willing to forgive and accept sinners.

Huxley wrote: None of your have answered the questions I raised. Which of this insane acts of Jesus would be tolerated and go unpunished by the law today?
1) Curses an innocent fig tree that did not belong to him, thus killing it.

Dear Huxley,
All your questions have been answered but you have closed ears and mind therefore cannot hear.

Jesus is the creator of all things therefore all things belong to him. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. John 1:3

All your statements are based on lies therefore you will never be satisfied and always restless and unsettled. Jesus said, satan is the father of lies, so if you tell lies and try to defend them, then know whom you are speaking for.

The fig tree was owned by Jesus - just as he owns the whole creation including you and me. If there was any other owner he would have spoken up, but there is no other. Even the mute fig tree knew the master and therefore withered at the command of the creator. The tree itself gave the proof, then why are you arguing on this needless point??!!

Jesus did not order the fig tree to be cut down or uprooted. He just spoke the word and it withered, what more proof do we need that the nature obeys him - Jesus is the Creator, Master and the Only True God worth of worship and praise. Obey Him.

Even the demons took the permission to move around into the pigs, Jesus is the Creator, master and the Only True God worthy of worship and praise. Obey Him.

If you accept Jesus as Lord and repent of your sins that is the only way not to end up as the fig tree or pigs, but be saved.

All Glory to you living and loving God.
Who is a God like unto thee forgiving wickedness, rebellion, sin and yet you do not leave the guilty unpunished.
You care for the broken hearted, you are a prayer hearing and prayer answering God,
you have plans to prosper your children and not to harm, you heal the sick, you lift the downtrodden,
you restore my soul,
you never sleep, never slumber, your ears are always attentive to the prayers of those who love you,
you feed me with the living bread and give me living waters to drink that satisfies me
you are a good God and a loving father, king of kings and lord of lords worthy of all praise, glory and honour,
I worship thee and bow down to thee in praise, and humble adoration.
You are worthy, you are worthy alone to receive praise!!

Huxley's understanding of Jesus:

Many people believe that Jesus (if he existed) lived a spotless and sin-free life.  But is that really the impression one gets from the bible.  I submit that some of the things that Jesus did would be considered as crimes, if not sins, in most societies today.  According to the bible these are some of the things he is said to have done, or had his disciples do;

1)  Curses an innocent fig tree that did not belong to him, thus killing it.

2)  Cast some demons out and sent them into a herd of pigs that did not belong to him.  The pigs were thus driven insane and ran and threw themselves off a cliff.  I bet, you the owner of the pigs would have got really mad with Jesus.

3)  Stole (or took without permission) someone else's donkey.

4)  Allowed his disciples to walk through someone else's corn field and harvesting corn for themselves without the owner's permission.  Worse still, this happened on the Sabbath.

5)  Caused a commotion at the temple by overturning the tables of some businessmen.

I put it to you guys that none of such behaviour would be tolerated today.  If Jesus really did any of these, then he cannot be said to be sinless.

Huxley,
If any of the above was true, then even in Jesus time there were people like you and me wanting to defame Jesus and to kill him by any means. But when Jesus asked:
"Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?" John 8:46
all the pharasees, teachers of the law, saducees and many others who were angry with Jesus could not utter a word because he was sinless.

He was sinless all his human life - he is eternally sinless except for wilfully taking upon himself our sins (including yours, if you are willing to come to him).

Huxley,

Jesus is LOVE, because he has not harmed you after you have heaped a load of vulgar, ugly and wicked things against him with all your might for so long now (but life is not forever, and one has to account for things said and done in the body).

Jesus is loving. If you want a proof, then just write down all the things you have said against Jesus and try to say even half of them to any other person or say it against any other God you know of including Allah. What will you get in return - you may end up with a few teeth less, or a black eye, or some other loss or even loss of life - not from Jesus, he is a loving God. He is not fighting you, he loves you and wants to forgive you for all these sins.

If you are a muslim, as some suggest, then you ask your own brothers and sisters if they support you with all the vulgar things you are saying gainst Jesus whom we Christians love and worship as our Lord, God and Saviour. I will be really surprised if they support you - no respectful person would do that.

God is love and he loves all he has created.
God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all (no sin absolutely).

Blessings,

Dear Huxley,

The demons acknowledged Jesus as God, the tree acknowledged Jesus as God, the storm acknowledged Jesus as God, death acknowledged Jesus as God and gave back the dead he called.

You are calling all kinds of names to the one who loves you, even now, and wants to forgive you.

Jesus said: God so loved the world that he have his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Dear Huxley,

You are in error and are discussing a subject with faulty knowledge. Let me tell where you are lying. I am posting the Holy Bible passage for you to read carefully and honestly and reverently from the Holy Bible, the True and Living Word of God:

]"A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The demons begged Jesus to let them go into them, and he gave them permission. When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned." Luke 8:32-33

Huxley wrote: Did Jesus not send demons into someones pigs, forcing them to throw themselves off a cliff.  Is this loving behaviour or cruel behaviour?

This is a lie: Jesus did not send the demons into someones pigs, it was demons who requested to go into that herd of pigs and they went on their own.

This is a lie: Jesus did not force the pigs to throw themselves of a cliff. It was the demons who rushed the pigs into the lake and drowned.

This is a lie: You say, forcing them to throw themselves off cliff. There was no cliff, they went down into the lake.

This is a lie: You conveniently interchange the role of demons to that of Jesus. You are unable to see the goodness of Jesus nor see the wickedness of demons. Instead you are turning goodness into evil and hiding the demons - whose side are you on? You are attacking the goodness of Jesus and attributing demons action to Jesus. Jesus came to seek and save sinners.

This is a very simple story which anybody can understand, but you have twisted it and are trying to confuse yourself if not others. If you call sweet bitter and bitter sweet, if you call poison honey and honey poison - beware it is you who will get killed.

Whose behaviour is cruel in the story: Jesus who saved the demon possessed man who lived in the graveyard or the demons who first tried to kill the man then later killed the herd of pigs?

If you understand the greater purpose of Jesus, then it was to save the man that the Lord came to Decapolis and he finished his work. The intention of the demons was very clear - to kill this man as they killed the pigs but they could not succeed in killing the man. The intention of Christ was clear, he came to save and he did save this possessed man.

Jesus said: "The thief comes to steal, kill and destroy, but I have come that you may have life and have it abundantly"

Jesus does not delight in the death of a wicked. Repent and live.

None of you guys are answering the questions.
After so many posts if you still cannot hear then the problem is within and not outside.

The way you are writing Huxley, I feel you are not behaving like a normal person and spewing out so much hatred against Jesus only shows the amount of hatred is in your heart. Any person reading these posts can tell what you are going through - you are hurting yourself badly with every statement, please dont do it.

You are hurting yourself, nobody else, and much less God. But after all this and even if you were to go on Jesus still loves you, and so much love for you that he died for all the dirt and sin that you now have in you. If you give it to him, he can clean you up. I had a similar life like yours, or ever worse, I hated Christ once but he touched me with his love and transformed me. I hated the Bible but in 1993 he changed me with his love and cleansed me with his blood. I had more questions than you had, today I have peace, joy, love, hope, salvation, eternal life, and much much more here and hereafter.

You want answers, then do this and you will get all the answers.
All those 8 statements you wrote and many others before you wrote are LIES, and devil is the father of lies who has so filled you with these thoughts. If only you decide to stop this, get down on your knees now and repent of all the vulgar and wicked things you have spoken, then invite Jesus Christ into your life, you will be saved, filled with unspeakable joy and will be a complete holy person just now.

blessings Huxley,

Huxley:

Your question is not for seeking the truth, but I am answering them just for the sake of answering.

You ask: Is this god ever could be considered just god by this killing of the tree?
Yes. The very reason the tree died at the command of Jesus proves beyond doubt that He is GOD. If you try and tell a tree to never bear fruit again, you know what will happen - NOTHING, because you are a human. Even the mute nature recognises the creator. Nature obeyed him which proves he is God.

Everyone believes that life and death are in God's hand. This death of tree proves that Jesus is God. Every living beings has a time of death and if God decidesdthat the tree will live no more who are we to question that. Leave alone the tree, one day God will call you when your time is up and for your own self you cannot question and argue with God (leave alone the tree!!), your soul will leave the body at the command of God. So lets stop worrying about the tree. A wise person would take this as a wake up call and find answers to the question as to how to face this God when he closes the chapter of your life, it could be today just like he did for that tree. So lets stop wailing over the tree and think about ourselves - that is the message God is giving. All the incidents in the Bible point out to us humans and its like a mirror and asking us questions, its not about tree, or fish, or bread, or lazarus rising from the dead. God is not trying to impress anybody, he is trying to reach out to you so that you can return to him as his son and live for eternity.

He did all these miracles to increase the faith of his disciples and it speaks even today to all those who believe, but not everyone has faith.
It is written: "Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

To understand the Bible there are few basics one has to fulfill (It is written):

- "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
-And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
- "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them".
-For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.
-Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
- And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life."

Huxley, you are intelligent but misled. God bless you and may you submit humbly to know the truth. Come and receive Christ humbly, if there is no truth in Christ, nobody is stopping you from returning to your intelligent ways. But one day you will stand before the one you are doubting now.

"Be happy, young man, while you are young, and let your heart give you joy in the days of your youth. Follow the ways of your heart and whatever your eyes see, but know that for all these things God will bring you to judgment."

Blessings,